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The D&D VTT is Doomed (Mass Firings)!

Started by RPGPundit, March 19, 2025, 05:07:18 PM

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Witch Hunter Siegfried

#15
March 20, 2025, 11:15:59 PM
Quote from: Valatar on March 20, 2025, 05:02:19 PMRegardless of the employees, everything I saw of Sigil was mediocre at best.  The 3D terrain was okay-ish but building out rooms and halls were clunky, the miniature customization was pretty nice, but the rules implementation was weak and barebones at best.  It was not remotely as featured as other VTTs like Foundry when it came to tracking a combat, which was a critical failing.

All of that could've been resolved with more development time.  But without an insider eye there's no telling just what that would've cost.  If these were 30 bumbling DEIs who'd been working for a decade to reach this point then yeah, they weren't going to get this into a finished state anytime soon.  But if it was a competent team I think Sigil could've been in a good state within six months to a year, at which point canning them all was a dumb move.

IMO the thing I was worried about with it (well not a 5E guy so not like it matters for me lol) is custom shit, If you're going out of the bounds of what WOTC's created it seems like it'd be a pain in the ass, even TTS which is also 3d has a ton of assets and if you can't find anything just use 2d stuff or something, This will/would probably lack that, TTS (which is what I'm currently using), Roll 20, Foundry ETC is far more versatile even if you want to keep with 5th.

Exploderwizard

#16
March 21, 2025, 08:23:37 AM
This comes as quite a shock. I mean, with Hasbro's stellar track record with digital products, how could something like this happen? Oh, wait.........
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#17
March 21, 2025, 09:19:40 AM
Quote from: Rhymer88 on March 20, 2025, 03:28:29 AM"This is 4e all over again!" As it turns out, the situation is even worse.

I wouldn't go that far.

The 4E tools dude killed his wife and then killed himself. I think that would qualify as worse.
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Omega

#18
March 21, 2025, 09:55:59 AM Last Edit: March 21, 2025, 10:15:14 AM by Omega
Ok. Looked at Sigil. It is out and currently works. Havent downloaded it but looks functional so far. But some features are locked off behind having a master tier subscription. Seems they have a fair number of models ready. And some customization options. And can port in Beyond characters. I am surprised. Though seems may be limited to fake edition.

The codebase is done and its up and running so odds are they fired everyone who was not needed to actually run maintenance and make new models. People who will either be worked to death, or will be putting out like maybe a new model a month at best.

This is typical of MMOs and wotc is treating Sigil as the same thing.

wotc will try to run this on just short of life support.

RPGPundit

#19
March 22, 2025, 06:06:12 AM
Yeah, Diversity & Dragons got incredibly lucky, in that he actually predicted this a day before the news actually came out.
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#20
March 22, 2025, 11:12:06 AM
Wonder how many people on Beyond they suckered into paying the insane 250$ for the fake 5e Beyond bundle that came with the Sigil dragon mini.

Will say though it looks good. But it just apes other Mini oriented VTTs that were in development at the time. Some fairly far along and a few even allowing the minis to do more than wiggle during combat.

You can see where it was heading and it is too bad that Hasbro got a case of the stupids. But I am hearing rumors that there was conflict within the Sigil team and possible clashes with Beyond?

Who knows. Its functional. But without new terrain and monsters to add on it is just a online version of wotc's rebranding of Heroscape to D&D that never got the full attention it needed.

BadApple

#21
March 22, 2025, 04:06:13 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on March 22, 2025, 06:06:12 AMYeah, Diversity & Dragons got incredibly lucky, in that he actually predicted this a day before the news actually came out.

The timing was impeccable but the prediction was as hard as giving marshmallows to toddlers.   
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