Greetings!

Hmmm...what's with the exhortation to mindlessly follow WOTC and their current edition of D&D?
Some people may think that *Grognards* or "True Fans" must show their loyalty by always swallowing down whatever WOTC is serving up.

Ahh, no thank you.

I have AD&D, 3E, 3.5E, Talislanta, Warhammer FRP 1E, Warhammer FRP 2E, GURPS, Palladium, MERP, Rolemaster, RMSS, Elric!, Pendragon, D&D 5E, and now the OSR ShadowDark.

I don't need "One D&D". I am no longer WOTC's audience or prime demographic--and well, guess what? WOTC's "One D&D" does not need to be my game, at all. Fuck them. I can happily support the OSR with my GOLD. Looking at my disposable income, customer buying track record, and my mutiple bookcases full of game books--WOTC is the one losing out in this arrangement--certainly not me.

WOTC and their "One D&D" and their stupid 24-hour TV program can POUND SAND!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I don't even watch other people play on the internet which is free. Why would I pay for it?

Quote from: Summon666 on May 15, 2023, 02:10:16 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 15, 2023, 01:54:29 AMLike I say WH+ isn't making ANY money (change my mind) and the D&D thingy won't either.

None of the streaming services pull a profit, apart from Netflix and they lost billions for years. I mean, Amazon didn't pull a profit until 2004. People outside big businesses tend to think in red and black, but that is not how big business works. Dinsey+, Paramount+ or w/e all collectively lost billions on their services, but that does not mean they were not successful in those final years.

WH+ is making them money due to it focused usage. I think it only has a few 100 thousand subs, but the content costs nearly nothing. Just some googling should bring up a lot of results to confirm this. I know that they are expanding it, so there must be some data to support that.

The thing with WOTC is that I believe the subscription will be part of DnDBeyond. So unlike WH+ which is an additional thing you get, many, many users will already have access to it as part of their normal subscription. This could easily make it integrate very well into the online community they are trying to build. If people get used to it, log into DnDBeyond, then click to get a lore video from the writer of the latest book they are playing though... when that becomes "normal" it could lead to something big for them.

Personally, I left WoTC behind in the 90s. It baffles me people play DnD to be honest, and the idea of paying for an online subscription for it is crazy to me. That being said, I think the idea of streaming services is not as farfetched as some people in this thread are making out. Remember, most of the big tubers only exist due to patron and advertising... which is not much different as subbing to an official stream, a stream I suspect many DnDBeyond users will already have access to.

This sounds like a lot of assumptions based on things you assure us must be backed by something on the internet, but haven't bothered researching yourself.

The fact that Amazon lost money before it became a juggernaut doesn't mean that Hasbro/WotC can afford a new streaming service when they've been doing badly and already had to sell off their movie division. Or that people will be swarming to it in this oversaturated market, where everyone and their mother wants to start a streaming service now, like people can afford a hundred separate specialized streaming services that cost more than Netflix does.

And there's a difference between people having the option to drop a buck a month to someone's Patron when they can still watch their content free on YT anyways, which helps generate ad revenue and engagement to keep those creators relevant, even if only a fraction of their viewers pay.

WotC isn't even providing anything that hasn't already existed for free in the internet for decades now, posted by people who do it better than them.

Quote from: Mistwell on May 15, 2023, 02:25:00 AM

Quote from: VisionStorm on May 14, 2023, 10:24:30 PM
Won't somebody think of WotC? Why did you guys betray it when it needed you the most? How could you?!? 

I am not the one who made the claim they "stuck with it through thick and thin."

It's baloney. Y'all bailed years and years ago.

I agree! These people abandoned WotC like a teen aged mother dropping her baby outside a firehouse. They're heatless lunatics!

Quote from: Mistwell on May 15, 2023, 02:28:30 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 15, 2023, 12:27:22 AM
The streaming wars are over, everybody is collapsing/cutting costs, so OF COURSE this is the time GWotKKK chooses to launch theirs...

Disney just had their stock downgraded, Netflix is also cutting down, HBO is in the same boat, and those have more genres at their dispossal than D&D.

I could be wrong but I am pretty sure this isn't that kind of streaming. It's not going to be a service you get directly to your TV through a subscription like Netflix (though, again, I could be wrong in that guess). I am guessing it's going to be a Twitch channel or something like that. They're just expanding what they've been doing for years into an "official" 24 hour stream rather than just releasing shows here and there.

They still HAVE TO pay the people doing the shows, it's not like some guy in their kitchen doing a video about D&D, and you can bet they'll have people working the camera, probably sets, all of those are fixed costs your regular guy doing videos doesn't have.

So, it's a money sinking enterprise.

Quote from: Summon666 on May 15, 2023, 02:10:16 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 15, 2023, 01:54:29 AMLike I say WH+ isn't making ANY money (change my mind) and the D&D thingy won't either.

None of the streaming services pull a profit, apart from Netflix and they lost billions for years. I mean, Amazon didn't pull a profit until 2004. People outside big businesses tend to think in red and black, but that is not how big business works. Dinsey+, Paramount+ or w/e all collectively lost billions on their services, but that does not mean they were not successful in those final years.

WH+ is making them money due to it focused usage. I think it only has a few 100 thousand subs, but the content costs nearly nothing. Just some googling should bring up a lot of results to confirm this. I know that they are expanding it, so there must be some data to support that.

The thing with WOTC is that I believe the subscription will be part of DnDBeyond. So unlike WH+ which is an additional thing you get, many, many users will already have access to it as part of their normal subscription. This could easily make it integrate very well into the online community they are trying to build. If people get used to it, log into DnDBeyond, then click to get a lore video from the writer of the latest book they are playing though... when that becomes "normal" it could lead to something big for them.

Personally, I left WoTC behind in the 90s. It baffles me people play DnD to be honest, and the idea of paying for an online subscription for it is crazy to me. That being said, I think the idea of streaming services is not as farfetched as some people in this thread are making out. Remember, most of the big tubers only exist due to patron and advertising... which is not much different as subbing to an official stream, a stream I suspect many DnDBeyond users will already have access to.

Weren't you the guy that said it was a success? Yes you did:

Quote from: Slambo on May 14, 2023, 09:22:34 AM

Quote from: Summon666 on May 14, 2023, 01:09:41 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 14, 2023, 12:38:30 AM

Quote from: Baron on May 13, 2023, 08:54:48 PM

Quote from: Summon666 on May 13, 2023, 08:26:55 PM
Everyone thought the GamesWorkShop network would be a joke... still going strong years latter with more content being added all the time.. https://warhammerplus.com/

Is this the thing that started in August of 2021?

The thing that can't manage to produce good content once per month.

That's not the point.. the point is that it is successful. People are paying for it, no idea who or why... but a LOT of people are. So the hasbro chan thing is less a "WTF why are they doing" this and a more "why is not more companies doing it".

It's not a success, it's not making money, so you're either moving the goal post, or your definition of success is really weird.

Pundit sounds like he's trying not to collapse in helpless laughter. I can't blame him.

Honest to God, all I can think of is the absolute glut of video games that hit the market when Atari lost that lawsuit with Activision. It feels like the same thing with streaming.

And how is WotC going to fill the time slots of a twenty four hour channel? Why not start small, with a Twitch or YT channel, try to lure some existing creators with cash, and then expand?

Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 15, 2023, 07:54:30 PM
Pundit sounds like he's trying not to collapse in helpless laughter. I can't blame him.

Honest to God, all I can think of is the absolute glut of video games that hit the market when Atari lost that lawsuit with Activision. It feels like the same thing with streaming.

And how is WotC going to fill the time slots of a twenty four hour channel? Why not start small, with a Twitch or YT channel, try to lure some existing creators with cash, and then expand?

Not counting the pure cringe (cooking shows? seriously?), what can they offer that isn't already out for free?

I can only think of a show, either animated (easier since you don't need CGI) or live action set in Faerun, get some cosplayers on board, get someone talented to write it (or adapt the novels that you can) and boom, you've got one hour per week.

Went into detail about my idea but they don't deserve it for free, hey WotC/Hasbro my idea gives you 1 show first year, 2 the next, 3 the next, etc. not counting re-runs, so if you're interested you know where to find me, make it worth my while.

But of course they're TOO stupid.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 15, 2023, 07:54:30 PM
Pundit sounds like he's trying not to collapse in helpless laughter. I can't blame him.

Honest to God, all I can think of is the absolute glut of video games that hit the market when Atari lost that lawsuit with Activision. It feels like the same thing with streaming.

And how is WotC going to fill the time slots of a twenty four hour channel? Why not start small, with a Twitch or YT channel, try to lure some existing creators with cash, and then expand?

This sounds like the management is in a panic at WotC. They managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory over the last few months, so now it is crunch time to show that they are not complete fuck ups - and they can't.

Honestly, cooking shows are a lot bigger draw than you think. The problem is... okay, you have a D&D stream, and a cooking show. Now what? Let's assume the D&D stream runs four hours, and the cooking show runs one hour. Still gotta fill nineteen more hours.

Animated adaptations of some of the best novels, or maybe 'behind the scenes' lore discussions, those would be pretty good. But I don't think it's gonna be enough. Remember, they want D&D mainstream. The whole nine yards of merchandising, much like how Star Wars practically redefined 'merch'. Especially after one fuck up after another on the part of upper management (though they'll never admit it).

Quote from: SHARK on May 15, 2023, 04:04:57 AM
Greetings!

Hmmm...what's with the exhortation to mindlessly follow WOTC and their current edition of D&D?
Some people may think that *Grognards* or "True Fans" must show their loyalty by always swallowing down whatever WOTC is serving up.

Ahh, no thank you.

I have AD&D, 3E, 3.5E, Talislanta, Warhammer FRP 1E, Warhammer FRP 2E, GURPS, Palladium, MERP, Rolemaster, RMSS, Elric!, Pendragon, D&D 5E, and now the OSR ShadowDark.

I don't need "One D&D". I am no longer WOTC's audience or prime demographic--and well, guess what? WOTC's "One D&D" does not need to be my game, at all. Fuck them. I can happily support the OSR with my GOLD. Looking at my disposable income, customer buying track record, and my mutiple bookcases full of game books--WOTC is the one losing out in this arrangement--certainly not me.

WOTC and their "One D&D" and their stupid 24-hour TV program can POUND SAND!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Come on man, don't you want to see a blue haired "lady" with a full beard with frosted purple tips make "Bahaumuts Frosted Balls" for their cooking show?  Don't you want to see the discount "freedom immigrant" copy of Critical Role do their D&D Campaign set in modern Mexico as they slay their dragons and make it to the promised land for welfare?  Wouldn't you want to watch "Fantasy Land Survivor" where they take pansexual D&D players from Seattle and put them 30 miles east of Seattle and they have to survive one night in the wilderness and they even encounter a coyote!

I expect this level of cringe from the channel, they have already confirmed cooking shows.  The only thing that will come of the channel will be streamers panning the shows and the inevitable sexual assault charge as one of the females says a girl with a lady dick made an inappropriate joke and she felt raped and wants him cancelled.  This is what Hasbro is going to do to D&D, God help D&D, it did not deserve this.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 15, 2023, 10:27:45 PM
Honestly, cooking shows are a lot bigger draw than you think. The problem is... okay, you have a D&D stream, and a cooking show. Now what? Let's assume the D&D stream runs four hours, and the cooking show runs one hour. Still gotta fill nineteen more hours.

Animated adaptations of some of the best novels, or maybe 'behind the scenes' lore discussions, those would be pretty good. But I don't think it's gonna be enough. Remember, they want D&D mainstream. The whole nine yards of merchandising, much like how Star Wars practically redefined 'merch'. Especially after one fuck up after another on the part of upper management (though they'll never admit it).

They need actual talent for a cooking show and they are also assuming that the average D&D player wants to watch someone cook a pancetta with a dragons face added onto it to make it D&D.  Hasbro is going to take an intern, give him a Betty Crocker cook book and tell him to create the show.

Quote from: Grognard GM on May 13, 2023, 08:37:25 PM
Considering WotC's prefered player base are statistically unable to cook, they certainly are strangely obsessed with cooking. They're like eunuchs who are obsessed with porn.

This is an epic ranksimile.

Greetings!

COOKING? COOKING SHOWS? WTF?

What the EFF do I need "Cooking Shows" from WOTC, when I can watch Mr. Gordon Ramsey or Guy Fierri?

I've been watching Ramsey and Fierri for years now. Beyond that, I know my way around the grill just fine.

COOKING SHOWS? From WOTC? Geesus. You gotta be kidding me. These people at WOTC are such clowns. So pathetic and desperate to get on their knees.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Maybe the cooking show is accountants cooking the books to show this failure as a commercial success?

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on May 16, 2023, 12:25:57 AM

Quote from: SHARK on May 15, 2023, 04:04:57 AM
Greetings!

Hmmm...what's with the exhortation to mindlessly follow WOTC and their current edition of D&D?
Some people may think that *Grognards* or "True Fans" must show their loyalty by always swallowing down whatever WOTC is serving up.

Ahh, no thank you.

I have AD&D, 3E, 3.5E, Talislanta, Warhammer FRP 1E, Warhammer FRP 2E, GURPS, Palladium, MERP, Rolemaster, RMSS, Elric!, Pendragon, D&D 5E, and now the OSR ShadowDark.

I don't need "One D&D". I am no longer WOTC's audience or prime demographic--and well, guess what? WOTC's "One D&D" does not need to be my game, at all. Fuck them. I can happily support the OSR with my GOLD. Looking at my disposable income, customer buying track record, and my mutiple bookcases full of game books--WOTC is the one losing out in this arrangement--certainly not me.

WOTC and their "One D&D" and their stupid 24-hour TV program can POUND SAND!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Come on man, don't you want to see a blue haired "lady" with a full beard with frosted purple tips make "Bahaumuts Frosted Balls" for their cooking show?  Don't you want to see the discount "freedom immigrant" copy of Critical Role do their D&D Campaign set in modern Mexico as they slay their dragons and make it to the promised land for welfare?  Wouldn't you want to watch "Fantasy Land Survivor" where they take pansexual D&D players from Seattle and put them 30 miles east of Seattle and they have to survive one night in the wilderness and they even encounter a coyote!

I expect this level of cringe from the channel, they have already confirmed cooking shows.  The only thing that will come of the channel will be streamers panning the shows and the inevitable sexual assault charge as one of the females says a girl with a lady dick made an inappropriate joke and she felt raped and wants him cancelled.  This is what Hasbro is going to do to D&D, God help D&D, it did not deserve this.

Greetings!

Yeah, HoneydipperDavid, it is sad seeing what WOTC is doing to D&D. "It did not deserve this." Damn, you know? So true, man. So true!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK