A simple and objective list, without any motives other than highlighting which games/designers/companies are apolitical or free-speech and which are Woke, has driven the #dnd SJWs into a fury.
When are you going to stat up Meatball and Big Chungus?
I love it when they go nuts.
Quote from: RPGPundit on September 07, 2021, 06:20:37 AM
A simple and objective list, without any motives other than highlighting which games/designers/companies are apolitical or free-speech and which are Woke, has driven the #dnd SJWs into a fury.
Fence sitters love to ignore this one delineation between the SJWs and those right of them.
The SJWs want to destroy your livelihood, take away your entertainment, and make everyone as miserable as them. And they think that's funny. That's why the list is unacceptable to them. The idea of choice in free market capitalism is anathema to them. You will buy the one page diceless Role Being Experience bigot! You will ignore the male feminists who raped their porn star girlfriends because cancel culture has gone too far but also cancel culture doesn't exist and is a right wing dog whistle. And RPG Pundit is a misogynist and rapist and a clone of Hitler.
The right makes a list of people who you can chose to support or not.
SJWs are going to interpret that as orders because their lists are orders that MUST BE OBEYED!
Quote from: King Tyranno on September 07, 2021, 09:34:54 AM
SJWs are going to interpret that as orders because their lists are orders that MUST BE OBEYED!
Truth. They can only see this as an attack since that's the mode that they operate in. Super capitalist powers activate! :D
Quote from: Banjo Destructo on September 07, 2021, 09:28:08 AM
I love it when they go nuts.
They went nuts years ago and never stopped. It's just been one long histrionic overreaction lasting years, with not single breath taken between switching targets. Why, in just the past few weeks, it's been this, Goblin Slayer, Sandy Peterson, the CEO of Tripwire being pro-life, Evil Hat openly hating customers, Blizzard being filled with rapists, and probably others I can't remember. And that's not even including the political screeching over Trump, BLM, Texas, Florida, vaccines, face masks in schools, and whatever else. It's always three days of anger about something, then three days of anger about something else.
Has there been one day - ONE DAY - in the past six YEARS, where SJW weren't flying off the handle about something and dictating to other people what to think and how to act? Like, one day of "it's none of my business", "you are an adult and can make your own decisions", or "I may not agree with what you say, but would die to defend your right to say it".
It would be such a momentous occasion that a national holiday should be declared right then and there, on the spot. The day SJWs fucked off. It would be the rebirth of western civilization.
Greetings!
Awww! The poor SJW fucktards are crying and sobbing like little bitches about the list? GOOD! I always laugh at how pathetic, weak, and sniveling they are. Anytime someone makes the SJW's snivel and shriek is a good thing! Let them cry some more! Every day, every night, the SJW's need to be mocked, laughed at, and resisted.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: Squidi on September 07, 2021, 01:45:13 PM
Quote from: Banjo Destructo on September 07, 2021, 09:28:08 AM
I love it when they go nuts.
They went nuts years ago and never stopped. It's just been one long histrionic overreaction lasting years, with not single breath taken between switching targets. Why, in just the past few weeks, it's been this, Goblin Slayer, Sandy Peterson, the CEO of Tripwire being pro-life, Evil Hat openly hating customers, Blizzard being filled with rapists, and probably others I can't remember. And that's not even including the political screeching over Trump, BLM, Texas, Florida, vaccines, face masks in schools, and whatever else. It's always three days of anger about something, then three days of anger about something else.
Has there been one day - ONE DAY - in the past six YEARS, where SJW weren't flying off the handle about something and dictating to other people what to think and how to act? Like, one day of "it's none of my business", "you are an adult and can make your own decisions", or "I may not agree with what you say, but would die to defend your right to say it".
It would be such a momentous occasion that a national holiday should be declared right then and there, on the spot. The day SJWs fucked off. It would be the rebirth of western civilization.
I don't know if there has been a single day in the last six years or not. But I do know that I don't tend to pay attention to this stuff every day, maybe once a week or something like that. Usually I am disconnected from RPG news and only learn about stuff when RPG Pundit does a video about something, so it really hasn't been a constant barrage for me personally.
Quote from: Banjo Destructo on September 07, 2021, 02:01:16 PM
I don't know if there has been a single day in the last six years or not. But I do know that I don't tend to pay attention to this stuff every day, maybe once a week or something like that. Usually I am disconnected from RPG news and only learn about stuff when RPG Pundit does a video about something, so it really hasn't been a constant barrage for me personally.
Must be nice, but even if you aren't seeing it, you are being affected by it, every day.
For me personally, I play video games, board games, miniature games, and roleplaying games. I read comics, manga, light novels, and science fiction/fantasy. I watch anime, korean variety, and the occasional kdrama. I used to be a big fan of Marvel, Star Wars, Star Trek, and Doctor Who. That's basically all of geek culture right there, and none of it has been unmolested (even korean variety, if you can believe it). In some cases, it was outright destroyed from the inside, intentionally, I believe to colonize culture and remove false idols that young men have looked up to for generations.
I also used to be a programmer. Even programming - PROGRAMMING! - is not saved from the SJW onslaught! They like to use code of conducts as weapons to cancel famous, capable developers and install incompetent, raging SJWs in their place. Don't even get me started on the dirty deeds done to luminaries like Richard Stallman or Linus Torvalds. The computer you are typing on would not exist without the contributions of Richard Stallman, and they cancelled him over something so bizarrely misguided that I'm not sure I could explain it without sounding insane.
And where do you think all these mandates are coming from? Mask mandates almost exclusively can be traced back to the teachers unions - the same ones suing to limit parents' access to teaching materials so they can hide the critical race theory malarky they are trying to indoctrinate kids with. The lockdowns, vaccine passports, and anything with the word "mandate" in it comes directly from the SJW captured institutions that tell you that you can't go to movie theater but they can amass in protest for BLM. The playbook is exactly the same - using social media to control dissent and the usage of oft repeated platitudes and slogans to reinforce shallow ideas with an air of authority. It's because they are better people than you and you should do what they tell you, or else.
Like I said, it must be nice not to notice.
Quote from: Squidi on September 07, 2021, 04:22:34 PM
Quote from: Banjo Destructo on September 07, 2021, 02:01:16 PM
I don't know if there has been a single day in the last six years or not. But I do know that I don't tend to pay attention to this stuff every day, maybe once a week or something like that. Usually I am disconnected from RPG news and only learn about stuff when RPG Pundit does a video about something, so it really hasn't been a constant barrage for me personally.
Must be nice, but even if you aren't seeing it, you are being affected by it, every day.
For me personally, I play video games, board games, miniature games, and roleplaying games. I read comics, manga, light novels, and science fiction/fantasy. I watch anime, korean variety, and the occasional kdrama. I used to be a big fan of Marvel, Star Wars, Star Trek, and Doctor Who. That's basically all of geek culture right there, and none of it has been unmolested (even korean variety, if you can believe it). In some cases, it was outright destroyed from the inside, intentionally, I believe to colonize culture and remove false idols that young men have looked up to for generations.
I also used to be a programmer. Even programming - PROGRAMMING! - is not saved from the SJW onslaught! They like to use code of conducts as weapons to cancel famous, capable developers and install incompetent, raging SJWs in their place. Don't even get me started on the dirty deeds done to luminaries like Richard Stallman or Linus Torvalds. The computer you are typing on would not exist without the contributions of Richard Stallman, and they cancelled him over something so bizarrely misguided that I'm not sure I could explain it without sounding insane.
And where do you think all these mandates are coming from? Mask mandates almost exclusively can be traced back to the teachers unions - the same ones suing to limit parents' access to teaching materials so they can hide the critical race theory malarky they are trying to indoctrinate kids with. The lockdowns, vaccine passports, and anything with the word "mandate" in it comes directly from the SJW captured institutions that tell you that you can't go to movie theater but they can amass in protest for BLM. The playbook is exactly the same - using social media to control dissent and the usage of oft repeated platitudes and slogans to reinforce shallow ideas with an air of authority. It's because they are better people than you and you should do what they tell you, or else.
Like I said, it must be nice not to notice.
Oh, yeah, politics, news, movies, and all the other stuff I've noticed almost daily, but RPG stuff not very often.
Quote from: Banjo Destructo on September 07, 2021, 05:25:52 PM
Oh, yeah, politics, news, movies, and all the other stuff I've noticed almost daily, but RPG stuff not very often.
I was talking about SJWs overall, quitting for one day. It's hardly worth a national holiday if they just leave RPGs alone for one day. At most, name a Starbucks drink after it.
Besides, it's all related. For instance, Jessica Price, fresh off being fired from Guild Wars 2 for making that a toxic clusterfuck gets hired by Wizards to work on Ravenloft. Anita Sarkeesian being a guest of honor at GenCon, not to mention "authored" a scenario for Betrayal at House on the Hill. Ta-Nehesi Coates writes about his racist views and suddenly, he writing Captain America. Then they interview him for a documentary on Dungeons & Dragons.
SJWs are a giant inbred cult, and they support their own. They make sure that their friends fail forward. RPGs seem particularly open to throwing bones to SJW friends. Pathfinder's Mwangi Expanse book has 22 authors - the vast majority of them having no other writing credits to their name. And especially forums, where SJW moderators absolutely get their friends into positions of power and keep those with like minds around, regardless of how many flame wars they incite.
This isn't, like, a battle for the soul of RPGs. That's just one front of a much larger theater of war.
There is, of course, one BIG problem. One big question.
Read the above comments about SJWs. Listen to what The Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic have to say about them. Read my own posts here about them.
So- how is it that they keep winning? How is it that they have won with schools, movies, comics, workplaces, laws, etc. etc. etc?
Now look at them as a whole and consider what I've said here before: SJWs would seem to be an impossible phenomenon because they consist of too many groups with conflicting complaints, the trouble between transsexuals and feminists being a perfect example.
It cannot be happening- yet instead of falling apart as it should have by now they only gain more ground.
Obviously they are cannon fodder, shock troops, for an intelligent group of elites controlling them, a group that knows EXACTLY what it is doing.
Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on September 07, 2021, 09:08:14 PMSo- how is it that they keep winning? How is it that they have won with schools, movies, comics, workplaces, laws, etc. etc. etc?
Partly, it is because they seek petty places of power - not places of absolute power, because they don't know what to do with it. They can't create anything of value, nor do anything of note. Instead, they insinuate themselves as gatekeepers much further down the food chain - eventually controlling who gets hired or who becomes the CEO.
They aren't the people who created linux. They are the people who created the linux code of conduct - which they use to cancel the people who did create linux. They are the HR managers, the forum moderators, the reddit trust and safety group, the den mothers, the diversity officers, the teachers, and heads of the PTA.
These positions do not have power individually - the head of HR isn't tasked with any critical or skill based task. They do the paperwork on who gets hired. But they also vet the resumes before they are put before the team managers. Moderators aren't supposed to dictate discussion. They have the power to silence people because they are glorified police trying to keep the peace. But they can silence an opinion just as easily as they can silence a troll (maybe more easily).
Eventually, the regulatory capture of an organization is accomplished through this. These petty positions of power are almost invisible to those with actual talent and an interest in using it, but it changes the direction of the companies, organizations, and institutions completely. One moderator is not enough to completely derail a forum - but if that moderator recommends their friends as new moderators, over time, they create a controlling interest. So much so that there's been cases of large forums migrating with them (for instance, NeoGaf's audience moved over to ResetEra, another purple based forum, after accusing its owner of being a sexual predator - don't get me wrong, he's a giant dick and a horrible admin, and it's his own damn fault for letting his special interest groups get moderators and the power to usurp his audience).
Once capture is complete, they start the inbreeding process of elevating the friends that they hired into more powerful positions. Kathleen Kennedy was a glorified secretary to George Lucas and Stephen Spielberg, but she got promoted to being in charge of the Star Wars franchise, largely because she was a woman promoted feminism (Disney was SJW captured possibly before anybody else).
This is getting too long, so I'll leave that there. Basically, SJWs employ a sinister long term regulatory capture. There's a little bit of indoctrination going on (particularly through public schools), but the capture is what allows their more absurd ideas to flourish like weeds after they get the power to burn the rest of the forest down.
QuoteObviously they are cannon fodder, shock troops, for an intelligent group of elites controlling them, a group that knows EXACTLY what it is doing.
I don't know if I agree on that, but Soros funded DAs in certain cities let out antifa members and BLM rioters without so much as a trial, so I'd definitely say that some of that is going on. Is that because Soros creates SJWs or is it because he is an SJW himself?
The idea that there is one organization behind this doesn't fit.. It's a mind virus. I've seen it infect people that literally nobody would bother to give a shit about, much less make an effort to change. It's a religion, plain and simple. They have their canon, which they repeat through trite platitudes to calm and erase conflicting ideas. They have a concept of good and evil, they have an enemy they consider on par with Satan himself. They have a concept of original sin and seek salvation through contrition. They even congregate in large groups - they call them protests, but let's be honest... it's mass. And like fundamentalists, every single god damn thing they talk about somehow always goes back to their religion. Book clubs exist to read SJW books. Movies exist to promote SJW beliefs. Discussion forums exist to promote SJW community.
It's a religion, in every since of the word. If it wasn't obvious before, check out the people offering prayers to George Floyd and expecting miracles to happen at the site of his death.
I think religion does describe a lot of the behavior I see, and like many religions, there are the TRUE BELIEVERS, the FUNDAMENTALISTS, the CASUALS, and so on. I guess it may be true humans tend to have a "god sized hole" in their hearts and they end up putting something in there. No arguing with religious fanatics.
Quote from: oggsmash on September 07, 2021, 11:59:05 PM
I think religion does describe a lot of the behavior I see, and like many religions, there are the TRUE BELIEVERS, the FUNDAMENTALISTS, the CASUALS, and so on. I guess it may be true humans tend to have a "god sized hole" in their hearts and they end up putting something in there. No arguing with religious fanatics.
I don't buy that. I'm increasingly a believer in the "midwits theory" - basically people who are above average intelligence, but not actually smart enough to develop true understanding. The lesser minds keep society running through traditions, religion, and societal values, so even when they don't understand, they still benefit from the collective knowledge of society.
The midwits look at them as completely idiots, and think the things which they value are worthless because they are idiots. So they throw away something like the First Amendment because they see the idiots praising it, not understanding the actual purpose and value of it themselves. It's the Dunning-Kruger effect writ large.
It's not that there is a religion-shaped hole in their hearts (or heads), but that they define themselves in opposition to the lowest in our society. They can only be awesome because they think others are not. But they are not sufficiently intelligent enough to know what they don't know, and mistake actually intelligence for idiocy simply because they are incapable of understanding.
To paraphrase Plato, Socrates is wiser than the sophists because he knew that he didn't know. But they professed to know everything, which betrays their actual ignorance.
If you look at the SJW platform, the entire thing is built on elevating the SJW's position in the world. They love science, which makes them feel like scientists (despite understanding fuck all about science). They feel bad for the poor, stupid minorities that could not survive in this harsh, oppressive society if not for their benevolence. They can't allow certain opinions to be stated because some hypothetical idiot will misunderstand it, and they must protect us from those idiots that don't exist. They must protect the underprivileged. They. Them. They are the saviors of mankind. Only they can do what must be done. Everyone else is either something to be saved or an enemy oppressing them.
It's all midwits, trying to praise themselves with artificial likes and upvotes. It plays out like a religion, but ultimately what it is, is low self esteem writ large across society from midwits who know, deep down, they are midwits, and then lie and cheat to trick as many others as possible into thinking otherwise.
Quote from: Squidi on September 08, 2021, 12:35:51 AM
Quote from: oggsmash on September 07, 2021, 11:59:05 PM
I think religion does describe a lot of the behavior I see, and like many religions, there are the TRUE BELIEVERS, the FUNDAMENTALISTS, the CASUALS, and so on. I guess it may be true humans tend to have a "god sized hole" in their hearts and they end up putting something in there. No arguing with religious fanatics.
I don't buy that. I'm increasingly a believer in the "midwits theory" - basically people who are above average intelligence, but not actually smart enough to develop true understanding.
There are plenty of smart and dumb-as-doornails SJWs out there though. To me they look mostly like a mix of smart holier-than-thou bullies and useful idiots.
Quote from: oggsmash on September 07, 2021, 11:59:05 PM
I think religion does describe a lot of the behavior I see, and like many religions, there are the TRUE BELIEVERS, the FUNDAMENTALISTS, the CASUALS, and so on. I guess it may be true humans tend to have a "god sized hole" in their hearts and they end up putting something in there. No arguing with religious fanatics.
I think you're framing it wrong. It's not a religion. It does share some similarities, but religions are specific things, and in many ways it doesn't qualify. It's a part of a broader category that includes religions, but also social and political movements that attract the true believers you mentioned. Though I'm using the term in the technical sense used by Hoffer, whose eponymous monograph defined the subject. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLtdTJ3gIvw) A few of his distinctions:
"Mass movements can rise and spread without belief in a God, but never without belief in the devil."
"We do not usually look for allies when we love. Indeed, we often look on those who love with us as rivals and trespassers. But we always look for allies when we hate."
"When we lose our individual independence in the corporateness of a mass movement, we find a new freedom — freedom to hate, bully, lie, torture, murder and betray without shame and remorse."
"Passionate hatred can give meaning and purpose to an empty life. Thus people haunted by the purposelessness of their lives try to find a new content not only by dedicating themselves to a holy cause but also by nursing a fanatical grievance. A mass movement offers them unlimited opportunities for both."
Very interesting posts in some cases, but this is not the subforum to make them in. Please stick to topics exclusively within what's happening in the RPG hobby.
Quote from: RPGPundit on September 08, 2021, 08:41:51 AM
Very interesting posts in some cases, but this is not the subforum to make them in. Please stick to topics exclusively within what's happening in the RPG hobby.
Hah - you won't censor me. I am sick, SICK I say, of the bodyshaming of your cat, Big Chungus. CANCELLED.
Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on September 07, 2021, 09:08:14 PM
There is, of course, one BIG problem. One big question.
Read the above comments about SJWs. Listen to what The Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic have to say about them. Read my own posts here about them.
So- how is it that they keep winning? How is it that they have won with schools, movies, comics, workplaces, laws, etc. etc. etc?
Now look at them as a whole and consider what I've said here before: SJWs would seem to be an impossible phenomenon because they consist of too many groups with conflicting complaints, the trouble between transsexuals and feminists being a perfect example.
It cannot be happening- yet instead of falling apart as it should have by now they only gain more ground.
Obviously they are cannon fodder, shock troops, for an intelligent group of elites controlling them, a group that knows EXACTLY what it is doing.
They are winning because of the Paradox of Tolerance.
The Paradox of Tolerance is an idea that.was originally coined back in the 1940s. It states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant.
We as gamers are the Tolerant. The SJW's are the Intolerant. For decades we were just playing games, ya know. The SJW infiltration into society, and then into gaming, was very subtle and happened over many years. Because we are Tolerant, all about Free Speech, Having Integrity, and just want to get along... We didn't stand up to the SJW's when they were still small in the rpg sphere. It wasn't until the last couple years when a greater number of gamers started to really see and witness just how far gone and Intolerant the SJW's really are.
This has been happening in all aspects of our society.
In order for us to stop them, we have to step up and stop being tolerant of them.
Quote from: RebelSky on September 09, 2021, 01:25:19 AM
Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on September 07, 2021, 09:08:14 PM
There is, of course, one BIG problem. One big question.
Read the above comments about SJWs. Listen to what The Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic have to say about them. Read my own posts here about them.
So- how is it that they keep winning? How is it that they have won with schools, movies, comics, workplaces, laws, etc. etc. etc?
Now look at them as a whole and consider what I've said here before: SJWs would seem to be an impossible phenomenon because they consist of too many groups with conflicting complaints, the trouble between transsexuals and feminists being a perfect example.
It cannot be happening- yet instead of falling apart as it should have by now they only gain more ground.
Obviously they are cannon fodder, shock troops, for an intelligent group of elites controlling them, a group that knows EXACTLY what it is doing.
They are winning because of the Paradox of Tolerance.
The Paradox of Tolerance is an idea that.was originally coined back in the 1940s. It states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant.
We as gamers are the Tolerant. The SJW's are the Intolerant. For decades we were just playing games, ya know. The SJW infiltration into society, and then into gaming, was very subtle and happened over many years. Because we are Tolerant, all about Free Speech, Having Integrity, and just want to get along... We didn't stand up to the SJW's when they were still small in the rpg sphere. It wasn't until the last couple years when a greater number of gamers started to really see and witness just how far gone and Intolerant the SJW's really are.
This has been happening in all aspects of our society.
In order for us to stop them, we have to step up and stop being tolerant of them.
That's part of it, and there have been those at the now-dead site Return of Kings who have pointed this out- and as a white straight male I'm beginning to agree.
I no longer care about "everyone's rights," only mine and those of my own group or tribe- you know, what everyone else does but I'm not allowed to. It has been shown all too clearly that those who hate you WILL turn around and stab you in the back. Again, I'm just old enough to remember the fight for pornography, how the people behind this claimed it was a freedom of speech/expression/tolerance/etc. issue. etc. Obviously they got their way, and this was decades before the Internet in any modern sense of the word.
So what happened?
The very people I've just mentioned turned around and created various hate speech laws, now to the point that in more and more places you can be ruined or even end up in jail for saying the wrong things- this done in a way to serve the group behind it.
So- for RPGPundit this is how it relates to the thread's topic.
There was always a bit of political correctness in AD&D- Morgan Ironwolf being an example- but that was to be expected back then. Overall it was heroic fantasy, with clear lines between good and evil.
But the elites trying to ruin everything pushed Critical Theory, which is why now you can't say drow or orcs- fantasy creatures- are evil. It's not just about political correctness in this game, it's to create a society where literally anything goes, except for certain absolutes the elites want kept in place. This dumbs down the population, otherwise more people would ask that if it's just movies or games that don't matter why are the leftists so determined to push sex and race quotas in these things?
That list warns people. They might have bought Wizards of the Coast products based on "well it's just another name for TSR" but now they might at least take a second look, and NOT buy such products. Remember- nothing makes the elitists laugh harder than the very people they want to ruin spending money on "entertainment" meant to push propaganda that will do just that. This is why Nerdrotic and The Critical Drinker have also come under fire- opposing voices must be silenced.
Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on September 09, 2021, 03:46:43 PM
There was always a bit of political correctness in AD&D- Morgan Ironwolf being an example- but that was to be expected back then. Overall it was heroic fantasy, with clear lines between good and evil.
Morgan Ironwolf struck me as more horny teen male bait than any kind of political correctness.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_lpL870wV2A4/Ra1JUC1EncI/AAAAAAAAASM/GoHWxajBeiE/s400/morganironwolf.jpg)
Quote from: Ratman_tf on September 09, 2021, 04:04:45 PM
Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on September 09, 2021, 03:46:43 PM
There was always a bit of political correctness in AD&D- Morgan Ironwolf being an example- but that was to be expected back then. Overall it was heroic fantasy, with clear lines between good and evil.
Morgan Ironwolf struck me as more horny teen male bait than any kind of political correctness.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_lpL870wV2A4/Ra1JUC1EncI/AAAAAAAAASM/GoHWxajBeiE/s400/morganironwolf.jpg)
Eh, no worse than most other 80's art.
That was part of it in retrospect- fierce better-than-men women warriors were also sexy so males would watch. Now you get those like the one from "Mad Max" 2010's. It was bait.
That's absolute nonsense. If you and your players want to play a gritty game with realistic physical disparities between the sexes, that's fine. It works for stuff like the Black Company, gritty WW2 dramas, and so on. But D&D is inspired by media like Burrough's Barsoom series, which included the competent adventurer Dejah Thoris. And Howard's Conan, which featured the deadly pirate queen, Bêlit, and Valeria, whose skill rivaled Conan. If you think Morgan Ironwolf is some kind of icon of political correctness, you must be completely unfamiliar with Appendix N. Yes, there were damsels in distress aplenty; but more than a few tough, capable female fighters as well.
Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on September 07, 2021, 09:08:14 PM
There is, of course, one BIG problem. One big question.
Read the above comments about SJWs. Listen to what The Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic have to say about them. Read my own posts here about them.
So- how is it that they keep winning? How is it that they have won with schools, movies, comics, workplaces, laws, etc. etc. etc?
Now look at them as a whole and consider what I've said here before: SJWs would seem to be an impossible phenomenon because they consist of too many groups with conflicting complaints, the trouble between transsexuals and feminists being a perfect example.
It cannot be happening- yet instead of falling apart as it should have by now they only gain more ground.
Obviously they are cannon fodder, shock troops, for an intelligent group of elites controlling them, a group that knows EXACTLY what it is doing.
Evil flourishes when good people do nothing. That's why they are winning. A measly 15% or so of the population make all the noise, and the rest of the population remains mostly silent, ignorant and oblivious to the danger.
We've lost, I think, and we'll preside over our fall.
Quote from: pdboddy on September 10, 2021, 08:27:13 AM
Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on September 07, 2021, 09:08:14 PM
There is, of course, one BIG problem. One big question.
Read the above comments about SJWs. Listen to what The Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic have to say about them. Read my own posts here about them.
So- how is it that they keep winning? How is it that they have won with schools, movies, comics, workplaces, laws, etc. etc. etc?
Now look at them as a whole and consider what I've said here before: SJWs would seem to be an impossible phenomenon because they consist of too many groups with conflicting complaints, the trouble between transsexuals and feminists being a perfect example.
It cannot be happening- yet instead of falling apart as it should have by now they only gain more ground.
Obviously they are cannon fodder, shock troops, for an intelligent group of elites controlling them, a group that knows EXACTLY what it is doing.
Evil flourishes when good people do nothing. That's why they are winning. A measly 15% or so of the population make all the noise, and the rest of the population remains mostly silent, ignorant and oblivious to the danger.
We've lost, I think, and we'll preside over our fall.
It's 8%. A pretty massive study confirmed it's 8% of the population who actually believe in SJW values.
On the other hand, I can say from personal experience that there's way more pushback happening now than there was a few years ago. Or even just a couple of years ago.
There's also hopeful signs: a recent study shoed that Gen Z people are consistently growing more opposed to Cancel Culture, and the younger they are the more opposed they are to it. There's a rift growing between the Gen Z and the Millennials that presently rule over them.
Well, conservatism and libertarianism are now counter-culture, so... :D
Part of the backlash, I suspect, has to do with the will-to-power that is related to relativism linked with "toleration!" as it seems a theme so often encountered.. (quotes, because it's so easy to call bullshit on that). Right and Left are on the road to totalitarianism, IMO. I hope that I am wrong, but getting the "wrongthink" finger-wag at a thing like this utterly neutral and helpful list is so boring and disgusting, I am enjoying the folks losing their minds.
Quote from: RPGPundit on September 10, 2021, 11:34:28 AM
It's 8%. A pretty massive study confirmed it's 8% of the population who actually believe in SJW values.
Only 10% of the US population was directly involved in the Civil War, on both sides. The vast majority of people are happy to watch from the sidelines. 8% is actually pretty huge in light of this. And I think that 8% is more likely to act on it than whatever percentage the shitposters on the other side represent.
The real question is whether that number is increasing or shrinking. If it is increasing, that means the mind virus is spreading - which I don't think is the case. The pendulum is definitely swinging the other way. But we haven't crossed the line yet, and there's still so much more damage they can do before then.
QuoteThere's also hopeful signs: a recent study shoed that Gen Z people are consistently growing more opposed to Cancel Culture, and the younger they are the more opposed they are to it. There's a rift growing between the Gen Z and the Millennials that presently rule over them.
I think when kids become teenagers, they just naturally rebel against the status quo. I mean, after all, I went to Catholic school and nobody is going to confuse me for a Catholic any time soon. My kids went to a super cringey SJW private school (in my defense, it didn't start that way), and they certainly aren't leaning that direction.
Quote from: RebelSky on September 09, 2021, 01:25:19 AM
Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on September 07, 2021, 09:08:14 PM
There is, of course, one BIG problem. One big question.
Read the above comments about SJWs. Listen to what The Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic have to say about them. Read my own posts here about them.
So- how is it that they keep winning? How is it that they have won with schools, movies, comics, workplaces, laws, etc. etc. etc?
Now look at them as a whole and consider what I've said here before: SJWs would seem to be an impossible phenomenon because they consist of too many groups with conflicting complaints, the trouble between transsexuals and feminists being a perfect example.
It cannot be happening- yet instead of falling apart as it should have by now they only gain more ground.
Obviously they are cannon fodder, shock troops, for an intelligent group of elites controlling them, a group that knows EXACTLY what it is doing.
The Paradox of Tolerance is an idea that.was originally coined back in the 1940s. It states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant.
<snipped>
In order for us to stop them, we have to step up and stop being tolerant of them.
The funniest thing. Because this is
exactly the same thing they say about everything they don't like as well.
Quote from: Dropbear on September 10, 2021, 08:41:55 PM
Quote from: RebelSky on September 09, 2021, 01:25:19 AM
Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on September 07, 2021, 09:08:14 PM
There is, of course, one BIG problem. One big question.
Read the above comments about SJWs. Listen to what The Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic have to say about them. Read my own posts here about them.
So- how is it that they keep winning? How is it that they have won with schools, movies, comics, workplaces, laws, etc. etc. etc?
Now look at them as a whole and consider what I've said here before: SJWs would seem to be an impossible phenomenon because they consist of too many groups with conflicting complaints, the trouble between transsexuals and feminists being a perfect example.
It cannot be happening- yet instead of falling apart as it should have by now they only gain more ground.
Obviously they are cannon fodder, shock troops, for an intelligent group of elites controlling them, a group that knows EXACTLY what it is doing.
The Paradox of Tolerance is an idea that.was originally coined back in the 1940s. It states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant.
<snipped>
In order for us to stop them, we have to step up and stop being tolerant of them.
The funniest thing. Because this is exactly the same thing they say about everything they don't like as well.
Some people believe that simply quoting "The Paradox of Tolerance" is a free Go Out of Jail card to be intolerant.
Quote from: Reckall on September 11, 2021, 07:21:01 AM
Quote from: Dropbear on September 10, 2021, 08:41:55 PM
Quote from: RebelSky on September 09, 2021, 01:25:19 AM
Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on September 07, 2021, 09:08:14 PM
There is, of course, one BIG problem. One big question.
Read the above comments about SJWs. Listen to what The Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic have to say about them. Read my own posts here about them.
So- how is it that they keep winning? How is it that they have won with schools, movies, comics, workplaces, laws, etc. etc. etc?
Now look at them as a whole and consider what I've said here before: SJWs would seem to be an impossible phenomenon because they consist of too many groups with conflicting complaints, the trouble between transsexuals and feminists being a perfect example.
It cannot be happening- yet instead of falling apart as it should have by now they only gain more ground.
Obviously they are cannon fodder, shock troops, for an intelligent group of elites controlling them, a group that knows EXACTLY what it is doing.
The Paradox of Tolerance is an idea that.was originally coined back in the 1940s. It states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant.
<snipped>
In order for us to stop them, we have to step up and stop being tolerant of them.
The funniest thing. Because this is exactly the same thing they say about everything they don't like as well.
Some people believe that simply quoting "The Paradox of Tolerance" is a free Go Out of Jail card to be intolerant.
If people persist in shitting up my hobby, they shouldn't expect me to be tolerant.
Quote from: Reckall on September 11, 2021, 07:21:01 AM
Quote from: Dropbear on September 10, 2021, 08:41:55 PM
Quote from: RebelSky on September 09, 2021, 01:25:19 AM
Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on September 07, 2021, 09:08:14 PM
There is, of course, one BIG problem. One big question.
Read the above comments about SJWs. Listen to what The Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic have to say about them. Read my own posts here about them.
So- how is it that they keep winning? How is it that they have won with schools, movies, comics, workplaces, laws, etc. etc. etc?
Now look at them as a whole and consider what I've said here before: SJWs would seem to be an impossible phenomenon because they consist of too many groups with conflicting complaints, the trouble between transsexuals and feminists being a perfect example.
It cannot be happening- yet instead of falling apart as it should have by now they only gain more ground.
Obviously they are cannon fodder, shock troops, for an intelligent group of elites controlling them, a group that knows EXACTLY what it is doing.
The Paradox of Tolerance is an idea that.was originally coined back in the 1940s. It states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant.
<snipped>
In order for us to stop them, we have to step up and stop being tolerant of them.
The funniest thing. Because this is exactly the same thing they say about everything they don't like as well.
Some people believe that simply quoting "The Paradox of Tolerance" is a free Go Out of Jail card to be intolerant.
Some people mistakenly believe that tolerance is a virtue. Temperance/moderation is a virtue and might make tolerance a necessary course, but excessive tolerance for sin is a vice.
Further, it is a grave mistake to presume that what the SJW's are demanding is tolerance and not the complete subjugation of those who do not genuflect to their insanity. Refusing to let someone enslave (forced association or declarations) or impoverish me isn't intolerance, it's self-defense.
The rpg I'm writing makes zero reference to sex beyond basic biology (i.e. humans can produce offspring with X) and includes no statements exclaming that you can identify your gender as an attack helicopter. I discuss the need of heroes to embody heroic virtues (even if its just the diligence and courage to fulfill your personal goals) and that the primary purpose of a game is to have fun. I have not hired a sensitivity reader. I have heroic white men on the cover.
They are free to buy my game and run campaigns filled with nothing but gay golems who transform into attack helicopters if they wish. But instead they'll try to cancel me for the "sins" of not genuflecting deeply enough to their graven idols and not feeling guilty for being a Christian straight white male.
That's the big difference. I tolerate their existence and simply want nothing to do with them or their products. They refuse to tolerate my existence and want my products to not exist.
A little Media Coverage (https://boundingintocomics.com/2021/09/09/player-curated-list-of-woke-and-non-woke-ttrpg-companies-sparks-discourse-among-listed-entities/) for the list.