Quote from: Timothe on July 25, 2022, 12:40:01 PM
Maybe it was Dragonlance, but many players think that fallen Paladins become anti-paladins or death knights, when they merely just become Lawful Good—possibly Neutral Good or Lawful Neutral—Cavaliers or Fighters (if you play 1e).

Quote from: Timothe on July 25, 2022, 12:41:46 PM
I detest Tieflings, but they've been around for over 20 years now. There's not much we can do about it.

Quote from: Reckall on July 25, 2022, 01:22:23 PM
Regarding evil paladins, however, I don't see why they should be "edgy". An evil god that doesn't have his own holy warriors, along with clerics, is just stupid. Don't call them "paladins" maybe, as classic chivalric literature has given the term a specific connotation, but they should be a normal thing in any manichean setting.

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Quote from: Reckall on July 25, 2022, 01:22:23 PM
Regarding evil paladins, however, I don't see why they should be "edgy". An evil god that doesn't have his own holy warriors, along with clerics, is just stupid. Don't call them "paladins" maybe, as classic chivalric literature has given the term a specific connotation, but they should be a normal thing in any manichean setting.

  And what if we reject the underlying Manicheanism of D&D?

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  I have noticed, one of the hallmarks of serious Racism is the sin of NOTICING THINGS.  I mean if I see a rat gnawing on my toes, it is obvious hateful and vile to attempt to scare it away.  A confident secure person would just let the rat keep chewing till it ate them completely.  Damned Racists!!!

A trans person posted in a Facebook group "Anyone who doesn't think that trans women are women are assholes." I replied that labeling half of the population of America as assholes is not helpful and also off-topic for an RPG group. Apparently I'm a bigot now. One of their Admins even called me a troll.

Quote from: Timothe on July 25, 2022, 12:41:46 PM
I detest Tieflings, but they've been around for over 20 years now. There's not much we can do about it.

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Quote from: Timothe on July 25, 2022, 12:41:46 PM
I detest Tieflings, but they've been around for over 20 years now. There's not much we can do about it.

Sure you can.  They don't exist in my campaign world.

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Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 07:28:29 PM
Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

Yeah, it's also a hard pass from me. There was a time when I could overlook that because there were other stuff where it balanced out, now? They can get bent.

Oh fucking puh-lease.

You all sound like the most whinny bitch racists ever right now.

This is bog standard Hollywood diversity casting thats been a thing for at least 3 iterations of SJWs trying to twist it out of shape. Theres nothing wrong with the casting other than the castings diversity is so weak kneed they went with people that at a glance you can barely tell are minorities. And one whos a minority only when the SJWs allow them to be.

They went the safest route possible and cast the whitest looking minorities they could lay hands on. Or would take the job.

As for the barbarian gal. Oh give me a fucking break. Shes a bog standard snarky amazon type. Nothing new here to get your panties in a knot over.

But no no no. Its all oh woe is me! Dem evil whammens is scarededing me!

Fuck sake the lot of you are going to make perfect little next wave SJWs.

The more I look at the trailer the more it looks like an IDW comic. And that is not a good thing.

Yes, you're right, this Maya is a white supremacist...

Or, hear me out, that's what I saw and those are my sincere opinions that have nothing to do with the characters' race but with the writting.

Or you could keep on trying to give me white guilt.

You might not be a white supremacist but you sure seem plenty racist. And don't even try and tell me Mexicans of Maya origin are not racist - I work with several, and you know I know there are plenty of racists in your part of the world. Often even more blatant than in America.

Are you actually trying to "white guilt" Mexicans now?

No, I am calling a racist a racist. No white guilt involved. Are you trying to argue only white people can be racist?

Holy cow, you are! And I'm sure your Mexican co-workers absolutely loooooove it when you try to "white guilt" them. What would be the conservative talking point? "Mexicans are the real racists?"

Good grief, there's so much "derp" in this thread!

Misty, quick! Call blacks "racist" next! At the very least, call the Chinese "racist" for rejecting this D&D train wreck....since the potential Chinese market for a D&D movie is HUGE. But if the Chinese mostly refuse to watch movies with blacks or various forms of racial mystery meat in them, then you can just label them as "white-adjacent" anyway....and thus, safely denigrate them as "racist".

Right?

You know what? Just start calling people "Nazis", Misty. We all know you want to.

Look, chief....I'll lay this out for you again. You cannot effectively shame people or "white guilt" people into consuming a corporate product. It doesn't work. It especially doesn't work when that Hasbro whistleblower revealed that the mega-corporation that controls the Dungeons & Dragons IP (in this case, Hasbro) is covertly trying to "social engineer" (brainwash) millions of people via neo-Marxist propaganda through branding and messaging. That's what CRT is for. The whistleblower was suspended for revealing this. What a surprise.

Misty, when you denigrate someone as a "racist", you're basically casting a spell. Not a D&D spell, but you're using weaponized language as a form of psychological warfare....in order to win arguments, and break people's spirit. It's a classic neo-Marxist SJW demoralization tactic, and it's not very nice. And even worse, you're doubling down on it, against those "filthy Mexican Nazi Mayan racists!" Misty, your "magic demoralization attack word" ("racist!!") is not working, and is making you look like an ethically disingenuous neo-Marxist asshole. My advice to you would be to stop doubling down.

Like I said before, the "derp" in this thread is nearly beyond belief.

Quote from: S'mon on July 26, 2022, 03:40:36 AM
It seems pretty faithful to 5e D&D, which I don't have an objection to. WoTC were doing weird Diversity Casting in their adventures for years, this seems to be just following that. I am a bit surprised how cheap it looks, but that may have been a deliberate decision to go with the comedy vibe and distinguish it from LOTR.

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Quote from: Reckall on July 22, 2022, 11:34:08 AM
I think that the city we see in some shots is Neverwinter, which would make sense in the 5E era.

The City is not just Neverwinter. I recognize it as the Neverwinter from the MMO. You can make out the Acquisitions Incorporated balloon in the background. I think one of the other shots is showing the Chasm from the Spellplague era.

Not sure what that big arena area is as it is not currently part of the city.