Quote from: Omega on July 23, 2022, 03:30:57 AM
Oh fucking puh-lease.

You all sound like the most whinny bitch racists ever right now.

This is bog standard Hollywood diversity casting thats been a thing for at least 3 iterations of SJWs trying to twist it out of shape. Theres nothing wrong with the casting other than the castings diversity is so weak kneed they went with people that at a glance you can barely tell are minorities. And one whos a minority only when the SJWs allow them to be.

They went the safest route possible and cast the whitest looking minorities they could lay hands on. Or would take the job.

I don't understand you, here. The Forgotten Realms are diverse since forever. One of the main PC in my longest running campaign was "a Hinduist Halfling". The main criticism towards "The Rings of Power" is that they don't respect the lore. "If you want black characters adapt a world that has them or write your own story" - the former being what we see here.

In the party we have two white, two black and one mixed race character, which is balanced. And from what we see both the black male sorcerer and paladin are goofy, too.

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As for the barbarian gal. Oh give me a fucking break. Shes a bog standard snarky amazon type. Nothing new here to get your panties in a knot over.

She is Michelle Rodriguez. I like her so I'm not bothered by her playing the "Amazon" type. I'm quite happy with the Barbarian casting, as I think that Rodriguez can pull off a funny "barbarian rage" moment. The rest will lie on how they have written her character buy this is true for the whole movie.

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But no no no. Its all oh woe is me! Dem evil whammens is scarededing me!

Fuck sake the lot of you are going to make perfect little next wave SJWs.

If you want to rage against something, "House of Dragon" dropped an interesting trailer. Then the showrunners immediately digged their own grave with an interview so full of identity politics that, if you like them, you will get diabetes. This interview alone obliterated the honest curiosity I had towards the show. I still have to see something like that about this movie. We have the trailer, it has the fun vibes of D&D around a table, the production quality is below what I expect for a TV show in 2022, I'll wait and see.

Quote from: Omega on July 23, 2022, 03:30:57 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 22, 2022, 10:17:50 PM

Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 09:46:03 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on July 22, 2022, 09:14:51 PM

Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 07:28:29 PM
Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

Yeah, it's also a hard pass from me. There was a time when I could overlook that because there were other stuff where it balanced out, now? They can get bent.

Oh fucking puh-lease.

You all sound like the most whinny bitch racists ever right now.

This is bog standard Hollywood diversity casting thats been a thing for at least 3 iterations of SJWs trying to twist it out of shape. Theres nothing wrong with the casting other than the castings diversity is so weak kneed they went with people that at a glance you can barely tell are minorities. And one whos a minority only when the SJWs allow them to be.

They went the safest route possible and cast the whitest looking minorities they could lay hands on. Or would take the job.

As for the barbarian gal. Oh give me a fucking break. Shes a bog standard snarky amazon type. Nothing new here to get your panties in a knot over.

But no no no. Its all oh woe is me! Dem evil whammens is scarededing me!

Fuck sake the lot of you are going to make perfect little next wave SJWs.

The more I look at the trailer the more it looks like an IDW comic. And that is not a good thing.

  I do not think that it is because the soft propaganda of Hollywood is new, its that since the left started saying the quiet parts out loud people are suddenly noticing Hollywood has been running quite the propaganda campaign for decades, over 50 years.   So if they sound like racist wankers....well they are simply saying the EXACT same things lefties have complained about with regards to movies and casting.  It turns out if you demonstrate shitty behavior can work out to meet your ends, the opposition might decide to copy that behavior.  I would think lefties would be more careful with pandora's box, but I do not think they read that myth.  I am not a particular fan of making the sort of complaints you point out here....but I also do not get mad if I see a person who is getting pushed around and slapped decide to punch back. 

Quote from: Omega on July 23, 2022, 03:30:57 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 22, 2022, 10:17:50 PM

Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 09:46:03 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on July 22, 2022, 09:14:51 PM

Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 07:28:29 PM
Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

Yeah, it's also a hard pass from me. There was a time when I could overlook that because there were other stuff where it balanced out, now? They can get bent.

Oh fucking puh-lease.

You all sound like the most whinny bitch racists ever right now.

This is bog standard Hollywood diversity casting thats been a thing for at least 3 iterations of SJWs trying to twist it out of shape. Theres nothing wrong with the casting other than the castings diversity is so weak kneed they went with people that at a glance you can barely tell are minorities. And one whos a minority only when the SJWs allow them to be.

They went the safest route possible and cast the whitest looking minorities they could lay hands on. Or would take the job.

As for the barbarian gal. Oh give me a fucking break. Shes a bog standard snarky amazon type. Nothing new here to get your panties in a knot over.

But no no no. Its all oh woe is me! Dem evil whammens is scarededing me!

Fuck sake the lot of you are going to make perfect little next wave SJWs.

The more I look at the trailer the more it looks like an IDW comic. And that is not a good thing.

Yes, you're right, this Maya is a white supremacist...

Or, hear me out, that's what I saw and those are my sincere opinions that have nothing to do with the characters' race but with the writting.

Or you could keep on trying to give me white guilt.

Quote from: Effete on July 23, 2022, 02:15:08 AM
[I always thought it weird how tieflings became a core race but aasimars didn't. 5e eventually introduced aasimars in one of their bajillion sourcebooks (forget which one), but then immediately gave you the option to play a fallen aasimar. The certainly have a fixation on normalizing evil, and you know how they love to inject bits of their real-world beliefs into the material. It's only a matter of time before WOTC starts talking about "human / halfling" relationships.

  They go into this at length in the 4E preview book Wizards Presents: Races and Classes:

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Celestials--Rob Heinsoo

If you're a long-time D&D fan, odds are that you've already noticed that the tieflings' promotion to first-rank player character race has left another race behind: the race that was the tieflings' light-side counterpart, a race of golden humans descended from angels--the aasimar.

Even now I struggle to type that word without spelling it like buttocks.

I'm one of the designers who argued that we should stop using the word "aasimar." in the aasimar's place, you'll meet a race of celestials who have plunged through the same transforming fires as the tieflings.

I won't lie: making Good-associated creatures as exciting as their Evil-curious counterparts is a challenge. I call the challenge the "Ave Maria" problem, a reference to Walt Disney's original Fantasia, a wonderful animated film that ended with musical meditations on Evil and Good. Evil got Night on Bald Mountain, accompanied by an evil-storm orchestrated by a whip-wielding demon. [sic: Chernobog never uses a whip or any other object in Fantasia.] Good followed up with barely animated candle-bearing keepers of the faith proceeding across the screen singing Ave Maria. It's a sweet piece of music, and it certainly speaks to the possibilities of Good, but the animation just didn't hold a candle to lightning storms on Bald Mountain.

So now you know our mission: celestials who sizzle bright enough to hold their own against Bald Mountain lightning storms. We're working on it!

TL;DR: "Evil is cool; Good is boring." Their attempt at making 'sizzling' celestials gave us the 4E devas, who seem more inspired by a mixture of the Watchers from the Book of Enoch, the popular idea of 'angels who want to be human', and Indian concepts of eternal rebirth, based on the "Ecology of the Deva" in DRAGON #374.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on July 23, 2022, 09:32:34 AM

Quote from: Effete on July 23, 2022, 02:15:08 AM
[I always thought it weird how tieflings became a core race but aasimars didn't. 5e eventually introduced aasimars in one of their bajillion sourcebooks (forget which one), but then immediately gave you the option to play a fallen aasimar. The certainly have a fixation on normalizing evil, and you know how they love to inject bits of their real-world beliefs into the material. It's only a matter of time before WOTC starts talking about "human / halfling" relationships.

  They go into this at length in the 4E preview book Wizards Presents: Races and Classes:

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Celestials--Rob Heinsoo

If you're a long-time D&D fan, odds are that you've already noticed that the tieflings' promotion to first-rank player character race has left another race behind: the race that was the tieflings' light-side counterpart, a race of golden humans descended from angels--the aasimar.

Even now I struggle to type that word without spelling it like buttocks.

I'm one of the designers who argued that we should stop using the word "aasimar." in the aasimar's place, you'll meet a race of celestials who have plunged through the same transforming fires as the tieflings.

I won't lie: making Good-associated creatures as exciting as their Evil-curious counterparts is a challenge. I call the challenge the "Ave Maria" problem, a reference to Walt Disney's original Fantasia, a wonderful animated film that ended with musical meditations on Evil and Good. Evil got Night on Bald Mountain, accompanied by an evil-storm orchestrated by a whip-wielding demon. [sic: Chernobog never uses a whip or any other object in Fantasia.] Good followed up with barely animated candle-bearing keepers of the faith proceeding across the screen singing Ave Maria. It's a sweet piece of music, and it certainly speaks to the possibilities of Good, but the animation just didn't hold a candle to lightning storms on Bald Mountain.

So now you know our mission: celestials who sizzle bright enough to hold their own against Bald Mountain lightning storms. We're working on it!

TL;DR: "Evil is cool; Good is boring." Their attempt at making 'sizzling' celestials gave us the 4E devas, who seem more inspired by a mixture of the Watchers from the Book of Enoch, the popular idea of 'angels who want to be human', and Indian concepts of eternal rebirth, based on the "Ecology of the Deva" in DRAGON #374.

I beleive the 5e aasimar has an angelic voice in their head that encourages them to be "righteous" (but that varies from angel to angel). I did find it interesting that aasimar might seem like they are suffering from auditory hallucinations...and maybe they are.

Quote from: oggsmash on July 23, 2022, 05:25:38 AM
  I do not think that it is because the soft propaganda of Hollywood is new, its that since the left started saying the quiet parts out loud people are suddenly noticing Hollywood has been running quite the propaganda campaign for decades, over 50 years. So if they sound like racist wankers....well they are simply saying the EXACT same things lefties have complained about with regards to movies and casting. It turns out if you demonstrate shitty behavior can work out to meet your ends, the opposition might decide to copy that behavior. I would think lefties would be more careful with pandora's box, but I do not think they read that myth. I am not a particular fan of making the sort of complaints you point out here....but I also do not get mad if I see a person who is getting pushed around and slapped decide to punch back.

I think that this reaction is caused as much by the prevalence of SJW propaganda, as by excessive dwelling on the culture war. Seriously, the propping up of "minority" characters and putting down of the single white male LEADER of the team wasn't that prevalent or overdone in the trailer. And the goofiness of the leader isn't that dissimilar from that of the lead character in Guardians of the Galaxy (which this film apparently takes inspiration from), so it's not like having a goofy lead character is new. Plus the character is apparently a bard, and it's not unusual to poke fun ar bard characters either. This could just as likely be about that, and about portraying the comedic side of the film, as it is about putting down the poor persecuted white male (might even be both).

Complaining so much reeks of "taking offense". People are reading too much into this. This is why I've been stepping back from consuming so much culture war content and quit social media (other than RPG forums or YT, which may technically qualify) 2-3 years ago. Dwelling so much on this crap messes with your brain and makes you hyper-aware of this stuff till the point where you interpret even the tiniest (possibly incidental) hint of (potential) "progressivism" as an intentional slight or pernicious SJW propaganda.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on July 23, 2022, 09:32:34 AM

Quote from: Effete on July 23, 2022, 02:15:08 AM
[I always thought it weird how tieflings became a core race but aasimars didn't. 5e eventually introduced aasimars in one of their bajillion sourcebooks (forget which one), but then immediately gave you the option to play a fallen aasimar. The certainly have a fixation on normalizing evil, and you know how they love to inject bits of their real-world beliefs into the material. It's only a matter of time before WOTC starts talking about "human / halfling" relationships.

  They go into this at length in the 4E preview book Wizards Presents: Races and Classes:

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Celestials--Rob Heinsoo

If you're a long-time D&D fan, odds are that you've already noticed that the tieflings' promotion to first-rank player character race has left another race behind: the race that was the tieflings' light-side counterpart, a race of golden humans descended from angels--the aasimar.

Even now I struggle to type that word without spelling it like buttocks.

I'm one of the designers who argued that we should stop using the word "aasimar." in the aasimar's place, you'll meet a race of celestials who have plunged through the same transforming fires as the tieflings.

I won't lie: making Good-associated creatures as exciting as their Evil-curious counterparts is a challenge. I call the challenge the "Ave Maria" problem, a reference to Walt Disney's original Fantasia, a wonderful animated film that ended with musical meditations on Evil and Good. Evil got Night on Bald Mountain, accompanied by an evil-storm orchestrated by a whip-wielding demon. [sic: Chernobog never uses a whip or any other object in Fantasia.] Good followed up with barely animated candle-bearing keepers of the faith proceeding across the screen singing Ave Maria. It's a sweet piece of music, and it certainly speaks to the possibilities of Good, but the animation just didn't hold a candle to lightning storms on Bald Mountain.

So now you know our mission: celestials who sizzle bright enough to hold their own against Bald Mountain lightning storms. We're working on it!

TL;DR: "Evil is cool; Good is boring." Their attempt at making 'sizzling' celestials gave us the 4E devas, who seem more inspired by a mixture of the Watchers from the Book of Enoch, the popular idea of 'angels who want to be human', and Indian concepts of eternal rebirth, based on the "Ecology of the Deva" in DRAGON #374.

TBH, I think that both race names sound ridiculous, and the term Deva sounds way cooler than either of them (and the source it originates from more to my liking). But Jeeses! That has to be the most degrading preamble to a race or class entry I have ever seen. Usually they try to pump you up about the prospect of playing a character of this type. But here the guy goes multiple paragraphs about how the name "aasimar" sounds like ass, and how the race is a boring ass concept compared it its diabolical counterpart.

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 23, 2022, 10:44:09 AM
TBH, I think that both race names sound ridiculous, and the term Deva sounds way cooler than either of them (and the source it originates from more to my liking). But Jeeses! That has to be the most degrading preamble to a race or class entry I have ever seen. Usually they try to pump you up about the prospect of playing a character of this type. But here the guy goes multiple paragraphs about how the name "aasimar" sounds like ass, and how the race is a boring ass concept compared it its diabolical counterpart.

   In fairness, that was a blurb from the promo book that was intended to justify 'why aren't they in the PHB1?' But it does suggest a certain paucity of imagination or lopsidedness in their viewpoint, doesn't it?

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on July 23, 2022, 09:32:34 AM

Quote from: Effete on July 23, 2022, 02:15:08 AM
[I always thought it weird how tieflings became a core race but aasimars didn't. 5e eventually introduced aasimars in one of their bajillion sourcebooks (forget which one), but then immediately gave you the option to play a fallen aasimar. The certainly have a fixation on normalizing evil, and you know how they love to inject bits of their real-world beliefs into the material. It's only a matter of time before WOTC starts talking about "human / halfling" relationships.

  They go into this at length in the 4E preview book Wizards Presents: Races and Classes:

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Celestials--Rob Heinsoo

If you're a long-time D&D fan, odds are that you've already noticed that the tieflings' promotion to first-rank player character race has left another race behind: the race that was the tieflings' light-side counterpart, a race of golden humans descended from angels--the aasimar.

Even now I struggle to type that word without spelling it like buttocks.

I'm one of the designers who argued that we should stop using the word "aasimar." in the aasimar's place, you'll meet a race of celestials who have plunged through the same transforming fires as the tieflings.

I won't lie: making Good-associated creatures as exciting as their Evil-curious counterparts is a challenge. I call the challenge the "Ave Maria" problem, a reference to Walt Disney's original Fantasia, a wonderful animated film that ended with musical meditations on Evil and Good. Evil got Night on Bald Mountain, accompanied by an evil-storm orchestrated by a whip-wielding demon. [sic: Chernobog never uses a whip or any other object in Fantasia.] Good followed up with barely animated candle-bearing keepers of the faith proceeding across the screen singing Ave Maria. It's a sweet piece of music, and it certainly speaks to the possibilities of Good, but the animation just didn't hold a candle to lightning storms on Bald Mountain.

So now you know our mission: celestials who sizzle bright enough to hold their own against Bald Mountain lightning storms. We're working on it!

TL;DR: "Evil is cool; Good is boring." Their attempt at making 'sizzling' celestials gave us the 4E devas, who seem more inspired by a mixture of the Watchers from the Book of Enoch, the popular idea of 'angels who want to be human', and Indian concepts of eternal rebirth, based on the "Ecology of the Deva" in DRAGON #374.

It might have been better if Heinsoo actually had cracked a book concerning the Planescape race lore, but what do you expect from someone who apparently can't remember how to spell 'aasimar' after seeing it a few times.

I suppose maybe he just went back to 3E and used the godawful FR tiefling lore...

If all they do is the basic 'DI' visual window dressing the movie will probably be fun.

If you are making a D&D movie it needs to not take itself seriously. 
Much more BTILC/A-Team/Mystery Men than LOTR/The Dark Knight.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on July 23, 2022, 11:16:33 AM

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 23, 2022, 10:44:09 AM
TBH, I think that both race names sound ridiculous, and the term Deva sounds way cooler than either of them (and the source it originates from more to my liking). But Jeeses! That has to be the most degrading preamble to a race or class entry I have ever seen. Usually they try to pump you up about the prospect of playing a character of this type. But here the guy goes multiple paragraphs about how the name "aasimar" sounds like ass, and how the race is a boring ass concept compared it its diabolical counterpart.

   In fairness, that was a blurb from the promo book that was intended to justify 'why aren't they in the PHB1?' But it does suggest a certain paucity of imagination or lopsidedness in their viewpoint, doesn't it?

Yeah, even when used as part of a promo, that was the opposite of a promo. It practical spits on the notion that people would even wanna play this race. They could've blamed page count and limited page space, along with the popularity of Tiefling for not including Aasimar alongside them in the first place. But no, the guy basically said their name sounds like ass, and he couldn't figure out how to make the idea of playing freaking half-angels interesting.

It's like dude, you have freaking radiant fountains of divine light shining upon the world and they're supposed to look hawt af with lustrous hair and flawless skin. Just paint a picture of a radiant super model in shining light, emanating divine glory and it will sell. Tell players, "if you wanna play characters THIS hawt play an aasimar. If you wanna play horned freaks who get rejected everywhere, play a Tiefling instead".

Quote from: moonsweeper on July 23, 2022, 11:41:38 AM
If all they do is the basic 'DI' visual window dressing the movie will probably be fun.

If you are making a D&D movie it needs to not take itself seriously. 
Much more BTILC/A-Team/Mystery Men than LOTR/The Dark Knight.

IDK, they already did a non-serious D&D film before and it blew. But LotR made D&Dish fantasy cool again. I'm not sure where this assumption that a D&D film can't be serious comes from, but it hasn't done it favors in the past.

Though, movie's already made, so it doesn't matter. This one looks better than what they've done before at least. And it's finally based on an actual D&D setting.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on July 23, 2022, 09:32:34 AM

Quote from: Effete on July 23, 2022, 02:15:08 AM
[I always thought it weird how tieflings became a core race but aasimars didn't. 5e eventually introduced aasimars in one of their bajillion sourcebooks (forget which one), but then immediately gave you the option to play a fallen aasimar. The certainly have a fixation on normalizing evil, and you know how they love to inject bits of their real-world beliefs into the material. It's only a matter of time before WOTC starts talking about "human / halfling" relationships.

  They go into this at length in the 4E preview book Wizards Presents: Races and Classes:

Quote
Celestials--Rob Heinsoo

If you're a long-time D&D fan, odds are that you've already noticed that the tieflings' promotion to first-rank player character race has left another race behind: the race that was the tieflings' light-side counterpart, a race of golden humans descended from angels--the aasimar.

Even now I struggle to type that word without spelling it like buttocks.

I'm one of the designers who argued that we should stop using the word "aasimar." in the aasimar's place, you'll meet a race of celestials who have plunged through the same transforming fires as the tieflings.

I won't lie: making Good-associated creatures as exciting as their Evil-curious counterparts is a challenge. I call the challenge the "Ave Maria" problem, a reference to Walt Disney's original Fantasia, a wonderful animated film that ended with musical meditations on Evil and Good. Evil got Night on Bald Mountain, accompanied by an evil-storm orchestrated by a whip-wielding demon. [sic: Chernobog never uses a whip or any other object in Fantasia.] Good followed up with barely animated candle-bearing keepers of the faith proceeding across the screen singing Ave Maria. It's a sweet piece of music, and it certainly speaks to the possibilities of Good, but the animation just didn't hold a candle to lightning storms on Bald Mountain.

So now you know our mission: celestials who sizzle bright enough to hold their own against Bald Mountain lightning storms. We're working on it!

TL;DR: "Evil is cool; Good is boring." Their attempt at making 'sizzling' celestials gave us the 4E devas, who seem more inspired by a mixture of the Watchers from the Book of Enoch, the popular idea of 'angels who want to be human', and Indian concepts of eternal rebirth, based on the "Ecology of the Deva" in DRAGON #374.

Ahh, I completely skipped over 4e after years of playing 3.x burned me out on anything fantasy for a long time. The thing with "Evil is cool; Good is boring" is that it's kinda true. Look at Vader versus Obi Wan. Everyone thought Vader was "cool" and that Obi Wan was a bit of a dottering old man. But what Rob Heinsoo seems to ignore is that being Evil is giving in to temptation, while being Good requires struggling to maintain virtue. If he knew that, maybe he wouldn't find it so hard to write Good characters.

Also, it's hard looking back on Disney praise as anything but suspect, even if they did know how to make good films once upon a time.

As for the name sounding like "ass", that was probably just a low-effort attempt at humor. Years before this blurb came out, our table would joking call them ass-maws (no relation to the ethereal fletcher). But our immature toilet humor, joking around over beers and pizza, in no way was used to disparage the race. It was just us having fun.

While I'm not optimistic in anyway, I haven't decided one way or the other if I'll waste my hard earned money to see at the theatre or wait until it can be streamed.

I just seriously do no trust hollywood anymore. I haven't seen, I'll admit I'm no movie buff, a really good hollywood produced movie in.....well I don't know how long. While hollywood still can throw money at films I wonder for how long if they keep flopping. (I know the new top gun has done well but I hate Tom Cruise and I have no real desire to see it. Besides, I believe the new film is just another recruiting film in disguise-LOL)

My problem is a good D&D movie should have a story, so based on DL or FR so either Drizzt and CoTM or War of the Lance type of thing. Despite what a grognard would say on hating those I believe they would have more appeal to a broader audience than say a moved based on appendix N type of stuff.

And to have "thieves" the center of this movie is edgy and mary sue.....I just don't know how it will be received.

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Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 07:28:29 PM
Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

Yeah, it's also a hard pass from me. There was a time when I could overlook that because there were other stuff where it balanced out, now? They can get bent.

Oh fucking puh-lease.

You all sound like the most whinny bitch racists ever right now.

This is bog standard Hollywood diversity casting thats been a thing for at least 3 iterations of SJWs trying to twist it out of shape. Theres nothing wrong with the casting other than the castings diversity is so weak kneed they went with people that at a glance you can barely tell are minorities. And one whos a minority only when the SJWs allow them to be.

They went the safest route possible and cast the whitest looking minorities they could lay hands on. Or would take the job.

As for the barbarian gal. Oh give me a fucking break. Shes a bog standard snarky amazon type. Nothing new here to get your panties in a knot over.

But no no no. Its all oh woe is me! Dem evil whammens is scarededing me!

Fuck sake the lot of you are going to make perfect little next wave SJWs.

The more I look at the trailer the more it looks like an IDW comic. And that is not a good thing.

Yes, you're right, this Maya is a white supremacist...

Or, hear me out, that's what I saw and those are my sincere opinions that have nothing to do with the characters' race but with the writting.

Or you could keep on trying to give me white guilt.

You might not be a white supremacist but you sure seem plenty racist. And don't even try and tell me Mexicans of Maya origin are not racist - I work with several, and you know I know there are plenty of racists in your part of the world. Often even more blatant than in America.

Quote from: oggsmash on July 23, 2022, 05:25:38 AM
TBH, I think that both race names sound ridiculous, and the term Deva sounds way cooler than either of them (and the source it originates from more to my liking).

I agree, especially since "tiefling" is just a German word that means "deepling". Based on that, the aasimar should actually be called a "hochling." And if "aasimar" sounds like "ass", deepling makes me think of dumpling.