Quote from: Reckall on July 22, 2022, 11:34:08 AM

Quote from: Omega on July 22, 2022, 11:04:10 AM

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 21, 2022, 06:16:08 PM
What I hate about all attempts at D&D movies and such is that not only do they fail to take the actual source material and make use of it (like maybe a serious movie or series based on Icewind Dale Trilogy), but what they do doesn't even look like a serious attempt at presenting classic heroic adventure, and it's always some goofy lightheaded shit that barely even resembles the game.

And WTF is their obsession with thieves?

1: The 2nd movie, which had the least Solomon influence. Is what you are looking for then as it is mostly serious and straightforward D&D movie. With a little better budget it would have looked better. But they did well with what they had.

2: I think the main character may either actually be a bard. Ir a rogue pretending to be a bard. As noted prior each movie has had a different focus. First was the Thief (or Thief/Wizard if the story had continued), second was the Fighter, Third was a Paladin.

Total party composition has shifted some too. First one had 2 Thieves, a Mage, a (drow?) Ranger, and a Dwarven Fighter. Second had the Fighter, Barbarian, Cleric, Elven Mage, and a (halfling?) Thief. Third Im fuzzy on as its barely a D&D movie. But Paladin, Shadar-kai Sorceress, Goliath Barbarian, a Warlock, and an Assassin or Thief I think.

This one looks like will be a Bard or Thief, a Fighter or Barbarian, a Paladin, an Elf Mage, and what is probably a Tiefling Druid?

The party in this one should be:

Chris Pine as Elgin, a Bard
Michelle Rodriguez as Holga, a Barbarian
Regé-Jean Page as Xenk, a Paladin
Justice Smith as Simon, a Sorcerer (Simon the Sorcerer? Really?)
Sophia Lillis as Doric, a tiefling Druid
Hugh Grant as Forge Fletcher, a Rogue and the antagonist.

So, interestingly, no thieves or rogues in the main cast.

I think that the city we see in some shots is Neverwinter, which would make sense in the 5E era.

Yes, it's Neverwinter. Though apparently Waterdeep make an appearance in the movie too.

Bard is wearing a Harpers pin in one scene.

Quote from: Innocent Smith on July 22, 2022, 03:34:08 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on July 21, 2022, 10:16:44 PM

Quote from: kreegan on July 21, 2022, 09:42:38 PM
Hmmm the main trailer showed us:
* black male being awesome
* hispanic female being awesome
* white female being awesome
* white male screwing around and being a buffoon, then being asked why he was even there. Why indeed?

You mean the bard leader of the group wearing the Harpers pin? The biggest star for the movie, who is totally awesome in this clip?

Jesus wept, when did conservatives like you become such whiney little pussies looking to play the victim over anything? Are you really as insecure as you come across?

How do you get whining from that? It's really interesting how any time a conservative criticizes anything, people are quick to say "WOW, ACKSHULLY LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE THE SNOWFLAKE," as if A: conceding that being a fragile snowflake is a bad thing, and B: that comparing calm, banal statements to your own side's apoplexy, are very good strategies. I don't know how you could possibly project harder.

I didn't call you a snowflake. I called you a pussy. Does that sound like I am a lefty? I'm not. Lefties don't call people pussies. Which is what I am calling you.

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 22, 2022, 06:06:50 PM

Quote from: Shasarak on July 22, 2022, 05:20:43 PM

Quote from: Innocent Smith on July 22, 2022, 03:36:06 PM
The thing I find most amusing about this movie is how the comments are full of people who obviously have never played any other edition (or have only ever watched Critical Role) complaining about owlbear wildshape and the tiefling being a normal skin color.

There was a Tiefling?

The shape shifting white girl. If you look at her head closely, she has Tiefling horns sticking out from her hair.

And a tail

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on July 22, 2022, 06:53:34 PM

Quote from: Dylan Logos on July 22, 2022, 12:44:35 PM

Quote from: BronzeDragon on July 21, 2022, 03:03:42 AM
Get a load of this:

https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves

Granted, these are just stills from production (before all the bells & whistles are added in post), but oooh boy.

One way to sum up the vibe is "That D&D movie + 5E awfulness + cheap as all hell production design)".

I wonder if the non-playing D&D "fans" will like it though...seems to be right up there with youtube D&D shows.

It seems that basically no one agrees with you, BronzeDragon. Here you were, thinking to garner some easy kudos by ragging on this great-looking film and by making a sly appeal to the knee-jerk anti-woke zealotry popular in these parts. Try again next time.

The trailer for the movie looks like shit. The only slight saving grace is Chris Pine, and that's not saying much. Without him, this flick would be a complete dud. The only white male protagonist is Pine (who is disrespected by his non-white male teammates), and the only white female protagonist plays the role of a tiefling....and tieflings are descended from demons or devils. Let's popularize demonspawn!

I'm sure TPTB will successfully launder plenty of money with this film. Whatever. Not interested.

Wow. Why is the race of the characters meaningful to you?

Quote from: HappyDaze on July 22, 2022, 07:17:41 PM

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on July 22, 2022, 06:53:34 PM

Quote from: Dylan Logos on July 22, 2022, 12:44:35 PM

Quote from: BronzeDragon on July 21, 2022, 03:03:42 AM
Get a load of this:

https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves

Granted, these are just stills from production (before all the bells & whistles are added in post), but oooh boy.

One way to sum up the vibe is "That D&D movie + 5E awfulness + cheap as all hell production design)".

I wonder if the non-playing D&D "fans" will like it though...seems to be right up there with youtube D&D shows.

It seems that basically no one agrees with you, BronzeDragon. Here you were, thinking to garner some easy kudos by ragging on this great-looking film and by making a sly appeal to the knee-jerk anti-woke zealotry popular in these parts. Try again next time.

The trailer for the movie looks like shit. The only slight saving grace is Chris Pine, and that's not saying much. Without him, this flick would be a complete dud. The only white male protagonist is Pine (who is disrespected by his non-white male teammates), and the only white female protagonist plays the role of a tiefling....and tieflings are descended from demons or devils. Let's popularize demonspawn!

I'm sure TPTB will successfully launder plenty of money with this film. Whatever. Not interested.

It really sounds like you're saying it looks like shit because it's not white male enough for you. Your screech of insecurity is deafening.

Yes, that's exactly what it sounded like to me too.

Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 07:28:29 PM
Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Quote from: Mistwell on July 22, 2022, 09:14:51 PM

Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 07:28:29 PM
Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Mistwell on July 22, 2022, 09:11:19 PM

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on July 22, 2022, 06:53:34 PM

Quote from: Dylan Logos on July 22, 2022, 12:44:35 PM

Quote from: BronzeDragon on July 21, 2022, 03:03:42 AM
Get a load of this:

https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves

Granted, these are just stills from production (before all the bells & whistles are added in post), but oooh boy.

One way to sum up the vibe is "That D&D movie + 5E awfulness + cheap as all hell production design)".

I wonder if the non-playing D&D "fans" will like it though...seems to be right up there with youtube D&D shows.

It seems that basically no one agrees with you, BronzeDragon. Here you were, thinking to garner some easy kudos by ragging on this great-looking film and by making a sly appeal to the knee-jerk anti-woke zealotry popular in these parts. Try again next time.

The trailer for the movie looks like shit. The only slight saving grace is Chris Pine, and that's not saying much. Without him, this flick would be a complete dud. The only white male protagonist is Pine (who is disrespected by his non-white male teammates), and the only white female protagonist plays the role of a tiefling....and tieflings are descended from demons or devils. Let's popularize demonspawn!

I'm sure TPTB will successfully launder plenty of money with this film. Whatever. Not interested.

Wow. Why is the race of the characters meaningful to you?

I will give you some advice. You will never successfully shame people into buying a product. I recognize neo-Marxist exercises in "critical race theory" in media (and debate) when I see them. Remember the Hasbro whistleblower being suspended for revealing the company covertly pushing CRT (critical race theory) through branding and messaging through their products? I do. The amazing thing is that the guy who was suspended was black. It's very funny.

Not that it matters though, because I'm not white enough for your feeble attempt at "white guilt" to work on me. I know what you're doing, and I'll tell you that you're just wasting your time.

But the point here is that I summarily reject products that try to "socially engineer" me.

DO. NOT. WANT.

Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 09:46:03 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on July 22, 2022, 09:14:51 PM

Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 07:28:29 PM
Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

Yeah, it's also a hard pass from me. There was a time when I could overlook that because there were other stuff where it balanced out, now? They can get bent.

Quote from: HappyDaze on July 22, 2022, 07:17:41 PM
It really sounds like you're saying it looks like shit because it's not white male enough for you. Your screech of insecurity is deafening.

Personally I love seeing all these token minorities doing the best they can.

Think of all the money it saves the film companies.

Quote from: Reckall on July 22, 2022, 08:05:10 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 22, 2022, 02:21:31 PM

Quote from: Reckall on July 22, 2022, 02:17:44 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 22, 2022, 12:54:35 PM

Quote from: C-nt the Bunty Snuggler on July 22, 2022, 12:44:35 PM

Quote from: BronzeDragon on July 21, 2022, 03:03:42 AM
Get a load of this:

https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves

Granted, these are just stills from production (before all the bells & whistles are added in post), but oooh boy.

One way to sum up the vibe is "That D&D movie + 5E awfulness + cheap as all hell production design)".

I wonder if the non-playing D&D "fans" will like it though...seems to be right up there with youtube D&D shows.

It seems that basically no one agrees with you, BronzeDragon. Here you were, thinking to garner some easy kudos by ragging on this great-looking film and by making a sly appeal to the knee-jerk anti-woke zealotry popular in these parts. Try again next time.

The funny thing is that visually, it's not bad. I'm hoping for a beholder just to see how they work it.

There was a beholder in "Big Trouble in Little China" (or at least a beholderkin). Kurt Russell sent it away crying IIRC.

Probably beholderkin. No offense to Jack Burton but I doubt he could've swatted an actual eye tyrant that easily.

Among the many fun things in BTILC there is Jack Burton who is introduced as the classic "Kurt Russell in a John Carpenter movie" hero, but he is anything but. Killing Lo Pan at the end is literally the only thing that he manages to do. His biggest strength across the movie is to pass from embarrassment to embarrassment without losing his swagger, while everyone else does all the work.

BTILC makes a lot more sense if you consider that Jack Burton isn't the hero -- he's the sidekick

Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 22, 2022, 12:54:35 PM
The funny thing is that visually, it's not bad. I'm hoping for a beholder just to see how they work it.

I'm wondering if Hugh Grant's character isn't a shape-shifted creature of some sort. I mean, no way "Forge Fletcher" is a real name. It sounds like something a red dragon would THINK is a good human name.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on July 22, 2022, 07:56:44 PM

Quote from: Omega on July 22, 2022, 07:48:45 PM
WOTC has been doing that since 5e came out. See my comments in some old threads about just how demon-happy they have been. To the point of ret-conning quite a few classic monsters to now either be demon spawn, or demons were somehow involved. Not to mention it feels like about every other module seems to be demon themed. Princes of the Apocalypse, Out of the Abyss, Descent into Avernus. And technically Wyld beyond the Witchlight as its hag and possible demon goddess themed.

They probably went Tiefling because they used to feature in Neverwinter and are relatively easy to costume if you drop the tail and keep the horns small.

  Not since 5E--pretty much since they acquired D&D. One of the first things they did when buying D&D was announce the reinstatement of the 'demon' and 'devil' names, 3E certainly didn't stint on them (although a lot of that was under Paizo's run on Dragon), and 4E folded warlocks and tieflings into the core.

I always thought it weird how tieflings became a core race but aasimars didn't. 5e eventually introduced aasimars in one of their bajillion sourcebooks (forget which one), but then immediately gave you the option to play a fallen aasimar. The certainly have a fixation on normalizing evil, and you know how they love to inject bits of their real-world beliefs into the material. It's only a matter of time before WOTC starts talking about "human / halfling" relationships.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 22, 2022, 10:17:50 PM

Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 09:46:03 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on July 22, 2022, 09:14:51 PM

Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 07:28:29 PM
Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

Yeah, it's also a hard pass from me. There was a time when I could overlook that because there were other stuff where it balanced out, now? They can get bent.

Oh fucking puh-lease.

You all sound like the most whinny bitch racists ever right now.

This is bog standard Hollywood diversity casting thats been a thing for at least 3 iterations of SJWs trying to twist it out of shape. Theres nothing wrong with the casting other than the castings diversity is so weak kneed they went with people that at a glance you can barely tell are minorities. And one whos a minority only when the SJWs allow them to be.

They went the safest route possible and cast the whitest looking minorities they could lay hands on. Or would take the job.

As for the barbarian gal. Oh give me a fucking break. Shes a bog standard snarky amazon type. Nothing new here to get your panties in a knot over.

But no no no. Its all oh woe is me! Dem evil whammens is scarededing me!

Fuck sake the lot of you are going to make perfect little next wave SJWs.

The more I look at the trailer the more it looks like an IDW comic. And that is not a good thing.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 22, 2022, 10:17:50 PM

Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 09:46:03 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on July 22, 2022, 09:14:51 PM

Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 07:28:29 PM
Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

If he is a Harper then he could be modeled on Danilo from the "Elfshadow" novels. He is a very competent Harper who masks his identity behind a foppy and buffoonish facade - not unlike Chris Pine here. It would be a remarkable but totally coherent plot twist.