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Get a load of this:

https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves (https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves)

Granted, these are just stills from production (before all the bells & whistles are added in post), but oooh boy.

One way to sum up the vibe is "That D&D movie + 5E awfulness + cheap as all hell production design)".

I wonder if the non-playing D&D "fans" will like it though...seems to be right up there with youtube D&D shows.

Quote from: BronzeDragon on July 21, 2022, 03:03:42 AM
Get a load of this:

https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves (https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves)

Granted, these are just stills from production (before all the bells & whistles are added in post), but oooh boy.

One way to sum up the vibe is "That D&D movie + 5E awfulness + cheap as all hell production design)".

I wonder if the non-playing D&D "fans" will like it though...seems to be right up there with youtube D&D shows.

If this movie was from the 1980s, it would be so bad that it would actually be entertaining. Looking at the pics, the producers might simply be trying to make a parody of D&D.

The producers might be making it look cheesy because they believe that the audience would reject it if it wasn't.

West Coast creatives, especially the LA-Hollywood folks, have always hated the D&D brand. To them, the brand is as it always was: the product of a bunch of upstart Midwesterners that dared to create - without handing it off to the LA crowd for the latter to control.

Well, it's consistent with the art they put in their books, aka, bland cosplay art.

Don't be churlish: it looks great.

It looks bland and generic.

This does indeed make me think of "that" movie.

This was better when it had Jeremy Irons in it.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 21, 2022, 12:17:04 PM
This was better when it had Jeremy Irons in it.

Indeed, Irons' overacting may be the only interesting thing to have come out of that disaster.

Thought Paramont had dropped the movie a month or two ago?

Looks like it will be more glitz than story. And would have been nice to do something other than another thief centric show. Maybe a wizard.
1st one Thief. 2nd one Fighter, 3rd one Paladin as the main character.

I think they will take the Star Wars approach here: make a few movies that are terrible and most fans hate, but also maybe a few TV series and spinoffs handled by people who actually LIKE D&D and ALSO know what they are doing... so we can still get something good out of this.

Trailer looks fine.

https://youtu.be/IiMinixSXII

Generic, goofy, but basically fine.   I like the black dragon just puking up streams of acid gloop.  Considering D&D is such a broad brush, generic is all I can hope for.  Anything more specific would probably have a more specific title.

Oh Wow, now that I've seen the trailer this looks like it might be really Damn Good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiMinixSXII

I hope they bring back Snails.

I... likeish it. I like how they don't take themselves too seriously and I agree with many of the comments underneath: it looks like the classic collection of stunts that ended badly, broken bones and sheer anarchy that mar the history of every D&D party ever.

The thing that I like the most, however, is how the trailer for the stray D&D movie is being liked - whereas The Rings of Power is getting obliterated everywhere. ;D

Trailer looks less horrible than I expected it to be, but then again my expectations where that it would be complete utter garbage, so they were never high, or even median, to begin with.

What I hate about all attempts at D&D movies and such is that not only do they fail to take the actual source material and make use of it (like maybe a serious movie or series based on Icewind Dale Trilogy), but what they do doesn't even look like a serious attempt at presenting classic heroic adventure, and it's always some goofy lightheaded shit that barely even resembles the game.

And WTF is their obsession with thieves? Weren't the characters from the other D&D film also thieves? Why can't the leader of a generic AF D&D film ever be a paladin? Not my favorite class, but if you're gonna go generic why not portray a champion of justice leading a band of brave heroes undertaking a daring quest to save the land from evil? And then have the thief be an opportunistic tagalong, like it usually is in classic D&D? Why must the centerpiece be thieves? Has anyone here ever played a game where the party lead was actually a thief? And if you actually have, how often did that happen compared to any other D&D campaign you ever ran into?

I know that there are probably issues regarding the rights for the material, but what I would like them to do to REALLY establish D&D in the public consciousness is, first of all, pick an established official D&D setting—specifically THE official default setting in the game (Forgotten Realms)—and base the movie on that. Not some made up toss away world concocted just for this film, but the OFFICIAL flagship setting of the freaking game. Which is not even my favorite setting but if you wanna ram the game into the public consciousness and make it stay there you gotta use a real full blown actual D&D setting with some depth.

Second (and this is probably the tricky part when it comes to rights) take the most popular character with an established IP, who happens to be from that flagship setting, and make the movie about Drizzt Do'Urden. Take Icewind Dale Trilogy and give it the LotR treatment. Treat that novel like it is a serious thing and give us a film about an actual band of adventurers going through personal struggles, where the main character is persecuted minority attempting to overcome persecution—which I know plays into the woke bullshit, but the public will eat that shit up if you do it right.

And this is a proven element with staying power and an established fan base. Not some toss away popcorn flick, but something you can take seriously and build a franchise around.

Most D&D groups I've been in don't have a party leader. Almost all of them have had a rogue, but rarely a "thief" (at least not in the last 20 years).

D&D cosplay, casual modern dialog, and CGI. It's Marvel and the Renaissance Faire.

It could be fun in a bubblegum way, but not my cup of tea.

The leader in any game I've ever run or played has always been the most outgoing player, regardless of class. 

Few of them have been any particular class, but while there haven't been many Thief characters (or anything else in particular) all the characters have been thieves.  Granted, they usually steal from villains, but every last one of them ever has gone someplace they weren't allowed to go and took things that weren't theirs from people that wanted to keep that stuff.

Might not have been their profession or active quest but it was always damn well at least a hobby.

Led Zeppelin makes everything better

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 21, 2022, 06:16:08 PM
What I hate about all attempts at D&D movies and such is that not only do they fail to take the actual source material and make use of it (like maybe a serious movie or series based on Icewind Dale Trilogy), but what they do doesn't even look like a serious attempt at presenting classic heroic adventure, and it's always some goofy lightheaded shit that barely even resembles the game.

While there is room for more serious adventures, there's also always been plenty of goofy lightheaded shit in D&D. At least, that was my experience playing D&D in the 1970s as a kid, and plenty of people have kept up gonzo and/or beer'n'pretzels D&D gaming. For most players, sitting around rolling dice and pretending to be an elf isn't all that serious. The AD&D manuals had plenty of jokes and comics.

(https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ba45811705e7ba6af8645525fa691539)

There could also be more serious D&D, but being light-hearted is in line with plenty of the source material.

Quote from: jhkim on July 21, 2022, 06:58:37 PM

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 21, 2022, 06:16:08 PM
What I hate about all attempts at D&D movies and such is that not only do they fail to take the actual source material and make use of it (like maybe a serious movie or series based on Icewind Dale Trilogy), but what they do doesn't even look like a serious attempt at presenting classic heroic adventure, and it's always some goofy lightheaded shit that barely even resembles the game.

While there is room for more serious adventures, there's also always been plenty of goofy lightheaded shit in D&D. At least, that was my experience playing D&D in the 1970s as a kid, and plenty of people have kept up gonzo and/or beer'n'pretzels D&D gaming. For most players, sitting around rolling dice and pretending to be an elf isn't all that serious. The AD&D manuals had plenty of jokes and comics.

(https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ba45811705e7ba6af8645525fa691539)

There could also be more serious D&D, but being light-hearted is in line with plenty of the source material.

Definitely.  A huge part of D&D for me is sitting around the table and shooting the shit with my friends.  Telling jokes, goofing off, ribbing each other, and just having fun while eating pizza and rolling dice.  I'm sure some tables are more serious than others, but goofy, lighthearted D&D is definitely not "wrong" D&D.   And I don't mind at all that the movie takes that tone.

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 21, 2022, 06:16:08 PM
And WTF is their obsession with thieves? Weren't the characters from the other D&D film also thieves? Why can't the leader of a generic AF D&D film ever be a paladin? Not my favorite class, but if you're gonna go generic why not portray a champion of justice leading a band of brave heroes undertaking a daring quest to save the land from evil? And then have the thief be an opportunistic tagalong, like it usually is in classic D&D? Why must the centerpiece be thieves? Has anyone here ever played a game where the party lead was actually a thief? And if you actually have, how often did that happen compared to any other D&D campaign you ever ran into?

They have to show us how clever they are by subverting our expectations. You're supposed to clap and say how surprised you were that your expectations were subverted, and how you were totally expecting the traditional paladin protagonist, rather than the fresh new and exciting story about a misfit thief. Then you're supposed to gush with praise about the writers' bold new vision of fantasy storytelling.

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 21, 2022, 06:16:08 PM
Second (and this is probably the tricky part when it comes to rights) take the most popular character with an established IP, who happens to be from that flagship setting, and make the movie about Drizzt Do'Urden. Take Icewind Dale Trilogy and give it the LotR treatment. Treat that novel like it is a serious thing and give us a film about an actual band of adventurers going through personal struggles, where the main character is persecuted minority attempting to overcome persecution—which I know plays into the woke bullshit, but the public will eat that shit up if you do it right.

And this is a proven element with staying power and an established fan base. Not some toss away popcorn flick, but something you can take seriously and build a franchise around.

Although I do agree picking a setting and characters would be better, the Drizz't story would not fly in this day and age without major alterations. I don't even like Salvatore's novels, but they clearly present certain...problems for The Message.

All black elves are evil (except the main character). NOOOPE.

Said evil race is organized as a mega evil Matriarchy. LOL NOPE.

Said evil race is even more evil because they hold slaves. HAHAHA NOPE.

The girl in the main party is not always present, and not really that relevant in terms of action. Nope.

As for the trailer, it hasn't changed my perspective. Like I said, the bells & whistles of post production do make things look less shoddy, but they still look cheap to me.

There are always exceptions and there's always the silly stuff that people do at their own table cuz they're not professional actors or authors, and their game play isn't an actual story in the literary sense. But rather it's about shooting the shit, eating Cheetos and doing random stuff that wouldn't be interesting or make sense when watching a film or reading a book. But when you're gonna sell someone on the thrill of RPGs you don't sell them on the prospect of spending hours in a room full Cheeto stained neckbeards that smell like sour milk. You sell them on the thrill of being daring, larger than life heroes undertaking dangerous quests to explore forgotten ruins, defeat fearsome monsters and villains, rescue princesses, and save the kingdom.

This is about marketing not illustrating reality or actual game play. Marketing isn't about painting reality or highlighting oddball moments that may occasionally happen (like pretending to be mice by wearing goofy outfits to sneak pass some monsters), but aren't the focus of actual play or the main thing the game is actually about. Marketing is about polishing that shit and making it look better than it actually is. No one wants to see a movie about the actual stuff people usually do in most games (in or out of character). They wanna be sold on the fantasy that this is an actual tale of high adventure.

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 21, 2022, 07:39:49 PM
there's always...high adventure.

Fully agree on all counts.

A movie about how ridiculous gamers are when they are gaming already exists, and it didn't exactly rock the box office.

Quote from: BronzeDragon on July 21, 2022, 07:37:19 PM

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 21, 2022, 06:16:08 PM
Second (and this is probably the tricky part when it comes to rights) take the most popular character with an established IP, who happens to be from that flagship setting, and make the movie about Drizzt Do'Urden. Take Icewind Dale Trilogy and give it the LotR treatment. Treat that novel like it is a serious thing and give us a film about an actual band of adventurers going through personal struggles, where the main character is persecuted minority attempting to overcome persecution—which I know plays into the woke bullshit, but the public will eat that shit up if you do it right.

And this is a proven element with staying power and an established fan base. Not some toss away popcorn flick, but something you can take seriously and build a franchise around.

Although I do agree picking a setting and characters would be better, the Drizz't story would not fly in this day and age without major alterations. I don't even like Salvatore's novels, but they clearly present certain...problems for The Message.

All black elves are evil (except the main character). NOOOPE.

Said evil race is organized as a mega evil Matriarchy. LOL NOPE.

Said evil race is even more evil because they hold slaves. HAHAHA NOPE.

The girl in the main party is not always present, and not really that relevant in terms of action. Nope.

As for the trailer, it hasn't changed my perspective. Like I said, the bells & whistles of post production do make things look less shoddy, but they still look cheap to me.

Maybe, but those people can always eat shit, and they're gonna complain regardless so there's no changing that. But on the up side enough of them do like this character, and they could take creative license with Catti-bree and make her show up longer, or perhaps take a different story when she's older and more involved in the adventure, rather than Icewind Dale per se. Also dark elves are barely even present till they get to Dark Elf Trilogy, which is a prequel and wouldn't really make a good D&D centerpiece story anyways.

It looks pretty awful, just like all the earlier DnD movies.
I'll probably get a bit of a laugh out of it for it's awfulness.

Quoteyou don't sell them on the prospect of spending hours in a room full Cheeto stained neckbeards that smell like sour milk.

None of that was in the movie trailer.

QuoteYou sell them on the thrill of being daring, larger than life heroes undertaking dangerous quests to explore forgotten ruins, defeat fearsome monsters and villains, rescue princesses, and save the kingdom.

All of that was in the movie trailer.  Except the princess rescuing.  Just with a more lighthearted and fun tone rather than a more super-serious tone.

Okay, this looks good. Waaaay better than I expected. I wouldn't bet on it being a great movie, but the trailer is cool. Owlbearls and coeurls (or "displacer beast")? Count me in.

Quote from: Crusader X on July 21, 2022, 08:04:05 PM

Quoteyou don't sell them on the prospect of spending hours in a room full Cheeto stained neckbeards that smell like sour milk.

None of that was in the movie trailer.

QuoteYou sell them on the thrill of being daring, larger than life heroes undertaking dangerous quests to explore forgotten ruins, defeat fearsome monsters and villains, rescue princesses, and save the kingdom.

All of that was in the movie trailer.  Except the princess rescuing.  Just with a more lighthearted and fun tone rather than a more super-serious tone.

I wasn't commenting on the movie trailer. I was commenting on the half a dozen posts above mine nitpicking exceptions that may technically happen in game or stuff that may have been shown in the rule books in passing (without actually being the focus of the book's content, just filler illustrations) to argue for the sake of arguing, while missing the forest for the trees. And here you're essentially doing the same thing.

You're not arguing against what I'm actually saying. You're fishing for superficial inconsistencies and things that may appear to be wrong in my post when taken out of context to dismiss them without understanding or addressing what's actually being said.

Hmmm the main trailer showed us:
* black male being awesome
* hispanic female being awesome
* white female being awesome
* white male screwing around and being a buffoon, then being asked why he was even there. Why indeed?

The trailer looks great to me. I've gone from skeptical to wanting to see this.

Here is a more direct link:



Here is WOTC commentary on the preview



And here is DnDBeyond spotting easter eggs:

Quote from: BronzeDragon on July 21, 2022, 07:37:19 PM

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 21, 2022, 06:16:08 PM
Second (and this is probably the tricky part when it comes to rights) take the most popular character with an established IP, who happens to be from that flagship setting, and make the movie about Drizzt Do'Urden. Take Icewind Dale Trilogy and give it the LotR treatment. Treat that novel like it is a serious thing and give us a film about an actual band of adventurers going through personal struggles, where the main character is persecuted minority attempting to overcome persecution—which I know plays into the woke bullshit, but the public will eat that shit up if you do it right.

And this is a proven element with staying power and an established fan base. Not some toss away popcorn flick, but something you can take seriously and build a franchise around.

Although I do agree picking a setting and characters would be better, the Drizz't story would not fly in this day and age without major alterations. I don't even like Salvatore's novels, but they clearly present certain...problems for The Message.

All black elves are evil (except the main character). NOOOPE.

Said evil race is organized as a mega evil Matriarchy. LOL NOPE.

Said evil race is even more evil because they hold slaves. HAHAHA NOPE.

The girl in the main party is not always present, and not really that relevant in terms of action. Nope.

As for the trailer, it hasn't changed my perspective. Like I said, the bells & whistles of post production do make things look less shoddy, but they still look cheap to me.

Is Drizzt not perfect for the Message when you have a Black character who is constantly being persecuted where ever he goes?

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 21, 2022, 07:39:49 PM
This is about marketing not illustrating reality or actual game play. Marketing isn't about painting reality or highlighting oddball moments that may occasionally happen (like pretending to be mice by wearing goofy outfits to sneak pass some monsters), but aren't the focus of actual play or the main thing the game is actually about. Marketing is about polishing that shit and making it look better than it actually is. No one wants to see a movie about the actual stuff people usually do in most games (in or out of character). They wanna be sold on the fantasy that this is an actual tale of high adventure.

I don't think it's all one or the other. There are clearly *some* people who are sold on dark and/or serious fantasy like Lord of the Rings. On the other hand, there are also some people sold by fantasy with light-hearted elements and banter - like Pirates of the Carribean or The Princess Bride. It's not about reproducing a typical game, it's about evoking what a truly great game is. For some people, a really great game session can be one with really clever banter and entertaining moments and so forth. A film that evokes this can have jokes and banter written by a brilliant writer and performed by a very engaging professional actor.

And of course, some people enjoy both light-hearted fantasy and serious fantasy.

Quote from: kreegan on July 21, 2022, 09:42:38 PM
Hmmm the main trailer showed us:
* black male being awesome
* hispanic female being awesome
* white female being awesome
* white male screwing around and being a buffoon, then being asked why he was even there. Why indeed?

You mean the bard leader of the group wearing the Harpers pin? The biggest star for the movie, who is totally awesome in this clip?

Jesus wept, when did conservatives like you become such whiney little pussies looking to play the victim over anything? Are you really as insecure as you come across?

Quote from: Shasarak on July 21, 2022, 10:03:11 PM
Is Drizzt not perfect for the Message when you have a Black character who is constantly being persecuted where ever he goes?

Not when the reason for the persecution is the fact that all black elves are evil, matriarchal slave holders who love torture and worship an evil spider goddess.

The fact that he isn't doesn't change the underlying facts of his race and civilization.

Hence my observation that major lore changes would be required to make the offer palatable to "modern audiences".

Quote from: Dylan on July 21, 2022, 10:04:19 AM
Don't be churlish: it looks great.

Quote from: kreegan on July 21, 2022, 09:42:38 PM
Hmmm the main trailer showed us:
...
* white male screwing around and being a buffoon, then being asked why he was even there. Why indeed?

Nah, that was just Chris Pine doing his usual thing. 

I thought the trailer looked good.

The movie is set in the Forgotten Realms. This isn't in the trailer but the promotional material makes the setting clear. Also, the main inspiration will be "Guardians of the Galaxy" - which is not a bad start IMHO. Having run more serious D&D campaigns I can say that, to me, the banter and the jokes between the players are always at the core of D&D. Of course they have to pull it off.

"We didn't mean to unleash the greatest evil the world has ever known" is the basic plot of every D&D campaign ever. ;D

I have no problems with Michelle Rodriguez as she is cool in everything she does. Her ability not to age is unnatural.

Yeah, I can see "modern" elements in the trailer, especially "Every female character is smart, every male character is either stupid, or evil, or evil and stupid". I still like the "I make plans" banter at the end. Generally speaking, the trailer give me vibes of a group of players around the table playing D&D and having fun. Compare this with the "gravitas" of "The Rings of Power" trailer and the atrocious dialogue that you find there.

Since there is a D&D series in the works by the same production companies I guess that this movie will be the pilot. The problem I see is that it already looks more something made for streaming than for the big screen (and the second season of "The Witcher" already showed better production values). We can only wait and see.

It's like a showcase of D&D's goofiest monsters (i.e. owlbear and mimic). Will we also get to see an otyugh and a flumph?

Quote from: kreegan on July 21, 2022, 09:42:38 PM
Hmmm the main trailer showed us:
* black male being awesome
* hispanic female being awesome
* white female being awesome
* white male screwing around and being a buffoon, then being asked why he was even there. Why indeed?

Exactly - thought the trailer looked ok until the typical racist misandry at the end.

Quote from: Skullking on July 22, 2022, 04:15:28 AM

Quote from: kreegan on July 21, 2022, 09:42:38 PM
Hmmm the main trailer showed us:
* black male being awesome
* hispanic female being awesome
* white female being awesome
* white male screwing around and being a buffoon, then being asked why he was even there. Why indeed?

Exactly - thought the trailer looked ok until the typical racist misandry at the end.

The lack of diversity is appalling. Where's the lesbian tabaxi warrior in a combat wheelchair who self-identifies as a beholder?

Quote from: Rhymer88 on July 22, 2022, 03:22:50 AM
It's like a showcase of D&D's goofiest monsters (i.e. owlbear and mimic). Will we also get to see an otyugh and a flumph?

I think I spotted a gelatinous cube there as well maybe.

Tbh it looked quite fun.

  Movie trailer make this look a lot better than I expected.  As to complaints about REPRESENTATION and what will surely be a sending of THE MESSAGE, my suggestion is to not go watch it.  If you are expecting anything other than Hollywood to be Hollywood in how they run that narrative, you are looking in the wrong place.   I will not be going to watch it though Chris Pine can make almost anything watchable.  I do get a laugh that the raging barbarian is a tiny lesbian....maybe hollywood is sending a message they did not intend to?

I like the look of the trailer, it resembles the sort of D&D adventures I have been part of for a few years now.

I will go and see it.

I may be prejudiced, but all I know is that while watching that trailer, I couldn't help flashing back to the 2000 film...

It looks like something I can just shut my brain off and enjoy as I watch the mindless action. I'm under no illusions it won't have woke messaging though. I think Hollyweird might just be wizening up and not making it obvious, but the subtle signs are all there. 

Quote from: Manic Modron on July 21, 2022, 05:09:59 PM
Trailer looks fine.

https://youtu.be/IiMinixSXII

Generic, goofy, but basically fine.   I like the black dragon just puking up streams of acid gloop.  Considering D&D is such a broad brush, generic is all I can hope for.  Anything more specific would probably have a more specific title.

Ok. Against all odds this might actually be fun.

Quote from: Rhymer88 on July 22, 2022, 03:22:50 AM
It's like a showcase of D&D's goofiest monsters (i.e. owlbear and mimic). Will we also get to see an otyugh and a flumph?

Black dragon (and I admit, the acid breath weapon looked impressive and horrible as the dragon strafed the infantry. Corrosive black ooze that causes the earth to smoke?  :o )

Mimic  (I smirked watching Rodriguez scramble to get away from it)

Displacer beast (leaps at the camera in the colosseum scene)

Gelatinous cube (two party members jump into it to avoid the displacer beast)

Owlbear (guys, owlbears may LOOK stupid, but statwise they're fairly nasty for their challenge rating)

But yeah, it's gonna be a case of 'watch for the monster cameo!'. I might watch it with friends on movie night or something. Sure don't wanna spend more money on it than I have to.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 22, 2022, 08:46:36 AM
But yeah, it's gonna be a case of 'watch for the monster cameo!'. I might watch it with friends on movie night or something. Sure don't wanna spend more money on it than I have to.

My thoughts exactly. Get a group of friends together, take a shot if you see a monster you killed, take two if it killed you.

Quote from: Reckall on July 22, 2022, 02:21:17 AM
The movie is set in the Forgotten Realms. This isn't in the trailer but the promotional material makes the setting clear.

I didn't bother to read the promotional material so thanks for the clarification. That makes it better I think. Might give it a chance, but this still seems to me like a simple "watch it once, then forget it" popcorn flick.

Quote from: jhkim on July 21, 2022, 10:05:59 PM

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 21, 2022, 07:39:49 PM
This is about marketing not illustrating reality or actual game play. Marketing isn't about painting reality or highlighting oddball moments that may occasionally happen (like pretending to be mice by wearing goofy outfits to sneak pass some monsters), but aren't the focus of actual play or the main thing the game is actually about. Marketing is about polishing that shit and making it look better than it actually is. No one wants to see a movie about the actual stuff people usually do in most games (in or out of character). They wanna be sold on the fantasy that this is an actual tale of high adventure.

I don't think it's all one or the other. There are clearly *some* people who are sold on dark and/or serious fantasy like Lord of the Rings. On the other hand, there are also some people sold by fantasy with light-hearted elements and banter - like Pirates of the Carribean or The Princess Bride. It's not about reproducing a typical game, it's about evoking what a truly great game is. For some people, a really great game session can be one with really clever banter and entertaining moments and so forth. A film that evokes this can have jokes and banter written by a brilliant writer and performed by a very engaging professional actor.

And of course, some people enjoy both light-hearted fantasy and serious fantasy.

I'd say that Pirates of the Caribbean and The Princess Bride are still "serious" in the sense that they still take themselves seriously for purposes of presenting the type of world that they're trying to present, even though the tone of the films is "lightheaded" comedy, which is part of what I meant by "serious". Though, I would also prefer a D&D film to be more "serious" in tone as well, emphasizing heroic struggles and world shaking events in a way that doesn't make light of it, except maybe for the occasional banter, like Gimli and Legolas had in LotR, while still keeping the overall tone of the story serious.

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 22, 2022, 10:40:54 AM

Quote from: jhkim on July 21, 2022, 10:05:59 PM

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 21, 2022, 07:39:49 PM
This is about marketing not illustrating reality or actual game play. Marketing isn't about painting reality or highlighting oddball moments that may occasionally happen (like pretending to be mice by wearing goofy outfits to sneak pass some monsters), but aren't the focus of actual play or the main thing the game is actually about. Marketing is about polishing that shit and making it look better than it actually is. No one wants to see a movie about the actual stuff people usually do in most games (in or out of character). They wanna be sold on the fantasy that this is an actual tale of high adventure.

I don't think it's all one or the other. There are clearly *some* people who are sold on dark and/or serious fantasy like Lord of the Rings. On the other hand, there are also some people sold by fantasy with light-hearted elements and banter - like Pirates of the Carribean or The Princess Bride. It's not about reproducing a typical game, it's about evoking what a truly great game is. For some people, a really great game session can be one with really clever banter and entertaining moments and so forth. A film that evokes this can have jokes and banter written by a brilliant writer and performed by a very engaging professional actor.

And of course, some people enjoy both light-hearted fantasy and serious fantasy.

I'd say that Pirates of the Caribbean and The Princess Bride are still "serious" in the sense that they still take themselves seriously for purposes of presenting the type of world that they're trying to present, even though the tone of the films is "lightheaded" comedy, which is part of what I meant by "serious". Though, I would also prefer a D&D film to be more "serious" in tone as well, emphasizing heroic struggles and world shaking events in a way that doesn't make light of it, except maybe for the occasional banter, like Gimli and Legolas had in LotR, while still keeping the overall tone of the story serious.

It's definitely gonna be serious; what with an owlbear, a gelatinous cube, and so forth.

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 22, 2022, 10:28:58 AM

Quote from: Reckall on July 22, 2022, 02:21:17 AM
The movie is set in the Forgotten Realms. This isn't in the trailer but the promotional material makes the setting clear.

That makes it better I think.

Two words: group sex

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 21, 2022, 06:16:08 PM
What I hate about all attempts at D&D movies and such is that not only do they fail to take the actual source material and make use of it (like maybe a serious movie or series based on Icewind Dale Trilogy), but what they do doesn't even look like a serious attempt at presenting classic heroic adventure, and it's always some goofy lightheaded shit that barely even resembles the game.

And WTF is their obsession with thieves?

1: The 2nd movie, which had the least Solomon influence. Is what you are looking for then as it is mostly serious and straightforward D&D movie. With a little better budget it would have looked better. But they did well with what they had.

2: I think the main character may either actually be a bard. Ir a rogue pretending to be a bard. As noted prior each movie has had a different focus. First was the Thief (or Thief/Wizard if the story had continued), second was the Fighter, Third was a Paladin.

Total party composition has shifted some too. First one had 2 Thieves, a Mage, a (drow?) Ranger, and a Dwarven Fighter. Second had the Fighter, Barbarian, Cleric, Elven Mage, and a (halfling?) Thief. Third Im fuzzy on as its barely a D&D movie. But Paladin, Shadar-kai Sorceress, Goliath Barbarian, a Warlock, and an Assassin or Thief I think.

This one looks like will be a Bard or Thief, a Fighter or Barbarian, a Paladin, an Elf Mage, and what is probably a Tiefling Druid?

Quippy overdesigned MCU schlock. Already seeing the totally natural 'viral marketing' going out around WAOWIE I RECOGNISE THAT EASILY MERCHENDISABLE THING TAKE MY MONEY.

Not for me.

Quote from: Omega on July 22, 2022, 11:04:10 AM

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 21, 2022, 06:16:08 PM
What I hate about all attempts at D&D movies and such is that not only do they fail to take the actual source material and make use of it (like maybe a serious movie or series based on Icewind Dale Trilogy), but what they do doesn't even look like a serious attempt at presenting classic heroic adventure, and it's always some goofy lightheaded shit that barely even resembles the game.

And WTF is their obsession with thieves?

1: The 2nd movie, which had the least Solomon influence. Is what you are looking for then as it is mostly serious and straightforward D&D movie. With a little better budget it would have looked better. But they did well with what they had.

2: I think the main character may either actually be a bard. Ir a rogue pretending to be a bard. As noted prior each movie has had a different focus. First was the Thief (or Thief/Wizard if the story had continued), second was the Fighter, Third was a Paladin.

Total party composition has shifted some too. First one had 2 Thieves, a Mage, a (drow?) Ranger, and a Dwarven Fighter. Second had the Fighter, Barbarian, Cleric, Elven Mage, and a (halfling?) Thief. Third Im fuzzy on as its barely a D&D movie. But Paladin, Shadar-kai Sorceress, Goliath Barbarian, a Warlock, and an Assassin or Thief I think.

This one looks like will be a Bard or Thief, a Fighter or Barbarian, a Paladin, an Elf Mage, and what is probably a Tiefling Druid?

The party in this one should be:

Chris Pine as Elgin, a Bard
Michelle Rodriguez as Holga, a Barbarian
Regé-Jean Page as Xenk, a Paladin
Justice Smith as Simon, a Sorcerer (Simon the Sorcerer? Really?)
Sophia Lillis as Doric, a tiefling Druid
Hugh Grant as Forge Fletcher, a Rogue and the antagonist.

So, interestingly, no thieves or rogues in the main cast.

I think that the city we see in some shots is Neverwinter, which would make sense in the 5E era.

If I was making a D&D movie I'd have everyone with vaguely English accents. All except one guy who speaks in modern American English complete with modern slang and metaphors. The others would occasionally role their eyes or tell him to get serious and then he'd have a vaguely English accent for a sentence or two before lapsing into modern speech again.

I would also have one actor play/voice every NPC the way Deerstalker Pictures does. This guy is the DM of course.

The thing is based on a game after all, not on a book. So treat it like a game.

Funny, I was looking at the last scene and reading it as "loner druid doesn't get teamwork or what a leader does."  Frustrating to talk to her because she is out in the woods all the time not socializing with sapient people, just animals.  Then the team member ribbing on the bard friend because of course you rib on the bard friend, why wouldn't you?

The trailer looks pretty good.  I was highly skeptical that it wouldn't be that good.

Could be good in a campy sort of way. 

I prefer grittier stories and such. 

In other words, Chris Pine D&D will be a solid, "Meh," while Goblin Slayer is the best D&D series out right now. 

Quote from: BronzeDragon on July 21, 2022, 03:03:42 AM
Get a load of this:

https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves (https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves)

Granted, these are just stills from production (before all the bells & whistles are added in post), but oooh boy.

One way to sum up the vibe is "That D&D movie + 5E awfulness + cheap as all hell production design)".

I wonder if the non-playing D&D "fans" will like it though...seems to be right up there with youtube D&D shows.

It seems that basically no one agrees with you, BronzeDragon. Here you were, thinking to garner some easy kudos by ragging on this great-looking film and by making a sly appeal to the knee-jerk anti-woke zealotry popular in these parts. Try again next time.

Quote from: C-nt the Bunty Snuggler on July 22, 2022, 12:44:35 PM

Quote from: BronzeDragon on July 21, 2022, 03:03:42 AM
Get a load of this:

https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves (https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves)

Granted, these are just stills from production (before all the bells & whistles are added in post), but oooh boy.

One way to sum up the vibe is "That D&D movie + 5E awfulness + cheap as all hell production design)".

I wonder if the non-playing D&D "fans" will like it though...seems to be right up there with youtube D&D shows.

It seems that basically no one agrees with you, BronzeDragon. Here you were, thinking to garner some easy kudos by ragging on this great-looking film and by making a sly appeal to the knee-jerk anti-woke zealotry popular in these parts. Try again next time.

The funny thing is that visually, it's not bad. I'm hoping for a beholder just to see how they work it.

I just have no confidence that the plot won't be garbage, and that Chris Pine won't spend the movie looking like an idiot (I'm still peevish about Abrams' Star Trek).

Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 22, 2022, 12:54:35 PM
The funny thing is that visually, it's not bad. I'm hoping for a beholder just to see how they work it.

That was a particular grit in my craw with the first movie.   I knew going in that the only thing I was going to like was Jeremy Irons (and Jeremy definitely had my back on that, hilarious scene chewer), but beholders as stupid watchdogs was really a let down.

"What?  What don't I know about those?"
"Those are supposed to be level boss creatures and villains, not just random things floating around chasing noises."
"Oh wow, this movie sucks."
"Yeah, but... oh my god, blood rains from the sky!"
"Dude.. there is something specific wrong with you."

Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 22, 2022, 12:54:35 PM

Quote from: C-nt the Bunty Snuggler on July 22, 2022, 12:44:35 PM

Quote from: BronzeDragon on July 21, 2022, 03:03:42 AM
Get a load of this:

https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves (https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves)

Granted, these are just stills from production (before all the bells & whistles are added in post), but oooh boy.

One way to sum up the vibe is "That D&D movie + 5E awfulness + cheap as all hell production design)".

I wonder if the non-playing D&D "fans" will like it though...seems to be right up there with youtube D&D shows.

It seems that basically no one agrees with you, BronzeDragon. Here you were, thinking to garner some easy kudos by ragging on this great-looking film and by making a sly appeal to the knee-jerk anti-woke zealotry popular in these parts. Try again next time.

The funny thing is that visually, it's not bad. I'm hoping for a beholder just to see how they work it.

There was a beholder in "Big Trouble in Little China" (or at least a beholderkin). Kurt Russell sent it away crying IIRC.

Quote from: Reckall on July 22, 2022, 02:17:44 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 22, 2022, 12:54:35 PM

Quote from: C-nt the Bunty Snuggler on July 22, 2022, 12:44:35 PM

Quote from: BronzeDragon on July 21, 2022, 03:03:42 AM
Get a load of this:

https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves (https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves)

Granted, these are just stills from production (before all the bells & whistles are added in post), but oooh boy.

One way to sum up the vibe is "That D&D movie + 5E awfulness + cheap as all hell production design)".

I wonder if the non-playing D&D "fans" will like it though...seems to be right up there with youtube D&D shows.

It seems that basically no one agrees with you, BronzeDragon. Here you were, thinking to garner some easy kudos by ragging on this great-looking film and by making a sly appeal to the knee-jerk anti-woke zealotry popular in these parts. Try again next time.

The funny thing is that visually, it's not bad. I'm hoping for a beholder just to see how they work it.

There was a beholder in "Big Trouble in Little China" (or at least a beholderkin). Kurt Russell sent it away crying IIRC.

Probably beholderkin. No offense to Jack Burton but I doubt he could've swatted an actual eye tyrant that easily.

Quote from: Reckall on July 22, 2022, 11:34:08 AM
I think that the city we see in some shots is Neverwinter, which would make sense in the 5E era.

The City is not just Neverwinter. I recognize it as the Neverwinter from the MMO. You can make out the Acquisitions Incorporated balloon in the background. I think one of the other shots is showing the Chasm from the Spellplague era.

Not sure what that big arena area is as it is not currently part of the city.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 22, 2022, 12:54:35 PM

Quote from: C-nt the Bunty Snuggler on July 22, 2022, 12:44:35 PM

Quote from: BronzeDragon on July 21, 2022, 03:03:42 AM
Get a load of this:

https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves (https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves)

Granted, these are just stills from production (before all the bells & whistles are added in post), but oooh boy.

One way to sum up the vibe is "That D&D movie + 5E awfulness + cheap as all hell production design)".

I wonder if the non-playing D&D "fans" will like it though...seems to be right up there with youtube D&D shows.

It seems that basically no one agrees with you, BronzeDragon. Here you were, thinking to garner some easy kudos by ragging on this great-looking film and by making a sly appeal to the knee-jerk anti-woke zealotry popular in these parts. Try again next time.

The funny thing is that visually, it's not bad. I'm hoping for a beholder just to see how they work it.

I just have no confidence that the plot won't be garbage, and that Chris Pine won't spend the movie looking like an idiot (I'm still peevish about Abrams' Star Trek).

My prediction is it will be. Best we can hope for is a fun, but forgettable popcorn flick. But at least we'll get to see Neverwinter apparently.

Quote from: Manic Modron on July 22, 2022, 01:07:53 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 22, 2022, 12:54:35 PM
The funny thing is that visually, it's not bad. I'm hoping for a beholder just to see how they work it.

That was a particular grit in my craw with the first movie.   I knew going in that the only thing I was going to like was Jeremy Irons (and Jeremy definitely had my back on that, hilarious scene chewer), but beholders as stupid watchdogs was really a let down.

"What?  What don't I know about those?"
"Those are supposed to be level boss creatures and villains, not just random things floating around chasing noises."
"Oh wow, this movie sucks."
"Yeah, but... oh my god, blood rains from the sky!"
"Dude.. there is something specific wrong with you."

I just assumed they were either there for a reason. Or more likely were under someones control. Mainly due to having to fight the Mulmaster army and their beholders in the SSI games. At one point LOTS of beholders.

Quote from: weirdguy564 on July 22, 2022, 12:34:41 PM
Could be good in a campy sort of way. 

I prefer grittier stories and such. 

In other words, Chris Pine D&D will be a solid, "Meh," while Goblin Slayer is the best D&D series out right now.

Record of the Lodoss war still exists and was actually made from a D&D campaign.

Quote from: Mistwell on July 21, 2022, 10:16:44 PM

Quote from: kreegan on July 21, 2022, 09:42:38 PM
Hmmm the main trailer showed us:
* black male being awesome
* hispanic female being awesome
* white female being awesome
* white male screwing around and being a buffoon, then being asked why he was even there. Why indeed?

You mean the bard leader of the group wearing the Harpers pin? The biggest star for the movie, who is totally awesome in this clip?

Jesus wept, when did conservatives like you become such whiney little pussies looking to play the victim over anything? Are you really as insecure as you come across?

How do you get whining from that? It's really interesting how any time a conservative criticizes anything, people are quick to say "WOW, ACKSHULLY LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE THE SNOWFLAKE," as if A: conceding that being a fragile snowflake is a bad thing, and B: that comparing calm, banal statements to your own side's apoplexy, are very good strategies. I don't know how you could possibly project harder.

The thing I find most amusing about this movie is how the comments are full of people who obviously have never played any other edition (or have only ever watched Critical Role) complaining about owlbear wildshape and the tiefling being a normal skin color.

Quote from: Innocent Smith on July 22, 2022, 03:36:06 PM
The thing I find most amusing about this movie is how the comments are full of people who obviously have never played any other edition (or have only ever watched Critical Role) complaining about owlbear wildshape and the tiefling being a normal skin color.

There was a Tiefling?

Quote from: Shasarak on July 22, 2022, 05:20:43 PM

Quote from: Innocent Smith on July 22, 2022, 03:36:06 PM
The thing I find most amusing about this movie is how the comments are full of people who obviously have never played any other edition (or have only ever watched Critical Role) complaining about owlbear wildshape and the tiefling being a normal skin color.

There was a Tiefling?

The shape shifting white girl. If you look at her head closely, she has Tiefling horns sticking out from her hair.

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 22, 2022, 06:06:50 PM

Quote from: Shasarak on July 22, 2022, 05:20:43 PM

Quote from: Innocent Smith on July 22, 2022, 03:36:06 PM
The thing I find most amusing about this movie is how the comments are full of people who obviously have never played any other edition (or have only ever watched Critical Role) complaining about owlbear wildshape and the tiefling being a normal skin color.

There was a Tiefling?

The shape shifting white girl. If you look at her head closely, she has Tiefling horns sticking out from her hair.

Oh, I thought that was the Druid.

Quote from: Dylan Logos on July 22, 2022, 12:44:35 PM
It seems that basically no one agrees with you, BronzeDragon. Here you were, thinking to garner some easy kudos by ragging on this great-looking film and by making a sly appeal to the knee-jerk anti-woke zealotry popular in these parts. Try again next time.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/V8t0HcVDEJE/maxresdefault.jpg)

I wasn't seeking approval or kudos or whatever the hell else you're projecting onto me. I was giving my opinion.

In fact, how the hell would I "garner some easy kudos" in a forum that, by design, doesn't have any of the clicky arrows/upvotes/stars that other social media does?

You see, I like this place because I can say what I think, people may disagree, and nobody comes out the worse after the discussion. In fact, this thread exposed me to the trailer, which I had no idea was out and, as I said before, it failed to impress me. I still think this will be a pile of crap, though not as much of a pile as Amazon's rape of the Second Age.

My recommendation is for you to go back whence you came (likely TBP or ENW), where your brand of accolade-seeking behavior is rewarded.

P.S.: Oh, I got it now, you're the Necro King going around ressurecting 15-year-old threads and shitposting everywhere.

Just another troll.

Quote from: Dylan Logos on July 22, 2022, 12:44:35 PM

Quote from: BronzeDragon on July 21, 2022, 03:03:42 AM
Get a load of this:

https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves (https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves)

Granted, these are just stills from production (before all the bells & whistles are added in post), but oooh boy.

One way to sum up the vibe is "That D&D movie + 5E awfulness + cheap as all hell production design)".

I wonder if the non-playing D&D "fans" will like it though...seems to be right up there with youtube D&D shows.

It seems that basically no one agrees with you, BronzeDragon. Here you were, thinking to garner some easy kudos by ragging on this great-looking film and by making a sly appeal to the knee-jerk anti-woke zealotry popular in these parts. Try again next time.

The trailer for the movie looks like shit. The only slight saving grace is Chris Pine, and that's not saying much. Without him, this flick would be a complete dud. The only white male protagonist is Pine (who is disrespected by his non-white male teammates), and the only white female protagonist plays the role of a tiefling....and tieflings are descended from demons or devils. Let's popularize demonspawn! ::)

I'm sure TPTB will successfully launder plenty of money with this film. Whatever. Not interested.

Quote from: Shasarak on July 22, 2022, 06:32:22 PM

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 22, 2022, 06:06:50 PM

Quote from: Shasarak on July 22, 2022, 05:20:43 PM

Quote from: Innocent Smith on July 22, 2022, 03:36:06 PM
The thing I find most amusing about this movie is how the comments are full of people who obviously have never played any other edition (or have only ever watched Critical Role) complaining about owlbear wildshape and the tiefling being a normal skin color.

There was a Tiefling?

The shape shifting white girl. If you look at her head closely, she has Tiefling horns sticking out from her hair.

Oh, I thought that was the Druid.

Tiefling Druid FTW!

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on July 22, 2022, 06:53:34 PM

Quote from: Dylan Logos on July 22, 2022, 12:44:35 PM

Quote from: BronzeDragon on July 21, 2022, 03:03:42 AM
Get a load of this:

https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves (https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves)

Granted, these are just stills from production (before all the bells & whistles are added in post), but oooh boy.

One way to sum up the vibe is "That D&D movie + 5E awfulness + cheap as all hell production design)".

I wonder if the non-playing D&D "fans" will like it though...seems to be right up there with youtube D&D shows.

It seems that basically no one agrees with you, BronzeDragon. Here you were, thinking to garner some easy kudos by ragging on this great-looking film and by making a sly appeal to the knee-jerk anti-woke zealotry popular in these parts. Try again next time.

The trailer for the movie looks like shit. The only slight saving grace is Chris Pine, and that's not saying much. Without him, this flick would be a complete dud. The only white male protagonist is Pine (who is disrespected by his non-white male teammates), and the only white female protagonist plays the role of a tiefling....and tieflings are descended from demons or devils. Let's popularize demonspawn! ::)

I'm sure TPTB will successfully launder plenty of money with this film. Whatever. Not interested.

It really sounds like you're saying it looks like shit because it's not white male enough for you. Your screech of insecurity is deafening.

Quote from: Innocent Smith on July 22, 2022, 03:36:06 PM
The thing I find most amusing about this movie is how the comments are full of people who obviously have never played any other edition (or have only ever watched Critical Role) complaining about owlbear wildshape and the tiefling being a normal skin color.

Planescape Tieflings tended to relatively normal skin tones. Not sure when they picked up the more exotic tones. Probably 3e. Instead they tended to more exotic facial or even body features.

Quote from: Shasarak on July 22, 2022, 05:20:43 PM

Quote from: Innocent Smith on July 22, 2022, 03:36:06 PM
The thing I find most amusing about this movie is how the comments are full of people who obviously have never played any other edition (or have only ever watched Critical Role) complaining about owlbear wildshape and the tiefling being a normal skin color.

There was a Tiefling?

She has small horns.

Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Looks like total drivel to me, but with a hidden "Spot the Monster" drinking game inside.

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on July 22, 2022, 06:53:34 PMand the only white female protagonist plays the role of a tiefling....and tieflings are descended from demons or devils. Let's popularize demonspawn! ::)

WOTC has been doing that since 5e came out. See my comments in some old threads about just how demon-happy they have been. To the point of ret-conning quite a few classic monsters to now either be demon spawn, or demons were somehow involved. Not to mention it feels like about every other module seems to be demon themed. Princes of the Apocalypse, Out of the Abyss, Descent into Avernus. And technically Wyld beyond the Witchlight as its hag and possible demon goddess themed.

They probably went Tiefling because they used to feature in Neverwinter and are relatively easy to costume if you drop the tail and keep the horns small.

Quote from: Omega on July 22, 2022, 07:48:45 PM
WOTC has been doing that since 5e came out. See my comments in some old threads about just how demon-happy they have been. To the point of ret-conning quite a few classic monsters to now either be demon spawn, or demons were somehow involved. Not to mention it feels like about every other module seems to be demon themed. Princes of the Apocalypse, Out of the Abyss, Descent into Avernus. And technically Wyld beyond the Witchlight as its hag and possible demon goddess themed.

They probably went Tiefling because they used to feature in Neverwinter and are relatively easy to costume if you drop the tail and keep the horns small.

  Not since 5E--pretty much since they acquired D&D. One of the first things they did when buying D&D was announce the reinstatement of the 'demon' and 'devil' names, 3E certainly didn't stint on them (although a lot of that was under Paizo's run on Dragon), and 4E folded warlocks and tieflings into the core.

Quote from: HappyDaze on July 22, 2022, 07:17:41 PM

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on July 22, 2022, 06:53:34 PM

Quote from: Dylan Logos on July 22, 2022, 12:44:35 PM

Quote from: BronzeDragon on July 21, 2022, 03:03:42 AM
Get a load of this:

https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves (https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves)

Granted, these are just stills from production (before all the bells & whistles are added in post), but oooh boy.

One way to sum up the vibe is "That D&D movie + 5E awfulness + cheap as all hell production design)".

I wonder if the non-playing D&D "fans" will like it though...seems to be right up there with youtube D&D shows.

It seems that basically no one agrees with you, BronzeDragon. Here you were, thinking to garner some easy kudos by ragging on this great-looking film and by making a sly appeal to the knee-jerk anti-woke zealotry popular in these parts. Try again next time.

The trailer for the movie looks like shit. The only slight saving grace is Chris Pine, and that's not saying much. Without him, this flick would be a complete dud. The only white male protagonist is Pine (who is disrespected by his non-white male teammates), and the only white female protagonist plays the role of a tiefling....and tieflings are descended from demons or devils. Let's popularize demonspawn! ::)

I'm sure TPTB will successfully launder plenty of money with this film. Whatever. Not interested.

It really sounds like you're saying it looks like shit because it's not white male enough for you. Your screech of insecurity is deafening.

Dude, I'm not white enough to pass a racial purity test. You're barking up the wrong tree. But I do at least recognize low doses of neo-Marxist wankery when I see it. I also recognize Hasbro trying to normalize and destigmatize evil races like dark elves and tieflings and orcs in modern D&D, because the people who control the IP seem invested in subverting and inverting morality. Remember that Hasbro is the same company that utlilizes slave labor in China, produced and sold a pedo doll that moaned when you touched the crotch, and had a bunch of pedos running stuff in their conventions for Magic the Gathering.

But "whatevs". Hollywood (a.k.a. "Pedowood") really doesn't need me to give them any shekels.

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Quote from: BronzeDragon on July 21, 2022, 03:03:42 AM
Get a load of this:

https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves (https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves)

Granted, these are just stills from production (before all the bells & whistles are added in post), but oooh boy.

One way to sum up the vibe is "That D&D movie + 5E awfulness + cheap as all hell production design)".

I wonder if the non-playing D&D "fans" will like it though...seems to be right up there with youtube D&D shows.

It seems that basically no one agrees with you, BronzeDragon. Here you were, thinking to garner some easy kudos by ragging on this great-looking film and by making a sly appeal to the knee-jerk anti-woke zealotry popular in these parts. Try again next time.

The funny thing is that visually, it's not bad. I'm hoping for a beholder just to see how they work it.

There was a beholder in "Big Trouble in Little China" (or at least a beholderkin). Kurt Russell sent it away crying IIRC.

Probably beholderkin. No offense to Jack Burton but I doubt he could've swatted an actual eye tyrant that easily.

Among the many fun things in BTILC there is Jack Burton who is introduced as the classic "Kurt Russell in a John Carpenter movie" hero, but he is anything but. Killing Lo Pan at the end is literally the only thing that he manages to do. His biggest strength across the movie is to pass from embarrassment to embarrassment without losing his swagger, while everyone else does all the work.

Quote from: HappyDaze on July 22, 2022, 07:17:41 PM

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on July 22, 2022, 06:53:34 PM

Quote from: Dylan Logos on July 22, 2022, 12:44:35 PM

Quote from: BronzeDragon on July 21, 2022, 03:03:42 AM
Get a load of this:

https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves (https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves)

Granted, these are just stills from production (before all the bells & whistles are added in post), but oooh boy.

One way to sum up the vibe is "That D&D movie + 5E awfulness + cheap as all hell production design)".

I wonder if the non-playing D&D "fans" will like it though...seems to be right up there with youtube D&D shows.

It seems that basically no one agrees with you, BronzeDragon. Here you were, thinking to garner some easy kudos by ragging on this great-looking film and by making a sly appeal to the knee-jerk anti-woke zealotry popular in these parts. Try again next time.

The trailer for the movie looks like shit. The only slight saving grace is Chris Pine, and that's not saying much. Without him, this flick would be a complete dud. The only white male protagonist is Pine (who is disrespected by his non-white male teammates), and the only white female protagonist plays the role of a tiefling....and tieflings are descended from demons or devils. Let's popularize demonspawn! ::)

I'm sure TPTB will successfully launder plenty of money with this film. Whatever. Not interested.

It really sounds like you're saying it looks like shit because it's not white male enough for you. Your screech of insecurity is deafening.

Word

Quote from: Reckall on July 22, 2022, 11:34:08 AM

Quote from: Omega on July 22, 2022, 11:04:10 AM

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 21, 2022, 06:16:08 PM
What I hate about all attempts at D&D movies and such is that not only do they fail to take the actual source material and make use of it (like maybe a serious movie or series based on Icewind Dale Trilogy), but what they do doesn't even look like a serious attempt at presenting classic heroic adventure, and it's always some goofy lightheaded shit that barely even resembles the game.

And WTF is their obsession with thieves?

1: The 2nd movie, which had the least Solomon influence. Is what you are looking for then as it is mostly serious and straightforward D&D movie. With a little better budget it would have looked better. But they did well with what they had.

2: I think the main character may either actually be a bard. Ir a rogue pretending to be a bard. As noted prior each movie has had a different focus. First was the Thief (or Thief/Wizard if the story had continued), second was the Fighter, Third was a Paladin.

Total party composition has shifted some too. First one had 2 Thieves, a Mage, a (drow?) Ranger, and a Dwarven Fighter. Second had the Fighter, Barbarian, Cleric, Elven Mage, and a (halfling?) Thief. Third Im fuzzy on as its barely a D&D movie. But Paladin, Shadar-kai Sorceress, Goliath Barbarian, a Warlock, and an Assassin or Thief I think.

This one looks like will be a Bard or Thief, a Fighter or Barbarian, a Paladin, an Elf Mage, and what is probably a Tiefling Druid?

The party in this one should be:

Chris Pine as Elgin, a Bard
Michelle Rodriguez as Holga, a Barbarian
Regé-Jean Page as Xenk, a Paladin
Justice Smith as Simon, a Sorcerer (Simon the Sorcerer? Really?)
Sophia Lillis as Doric, a tiefling Druid
Hugh Grant as Forge Fletcher, a Rogue and the antagonist.

So, interestingly, no thieves or rogues in the main cast.

I think that the city we see in some shots is Neverwinter, which would make sense in the 5E era.

Yes, it's Neverwinter. Though apparently Waterdeep make an appearance in the movie too.

Bard is wearing a Harpers pin in one scene.

Quote from: Innocent Smith on July 22, 2022, 03:34:08 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on July 21, 2022, 10:16:44 PM

Quote from: kreegan on July 21, 2022, 09:42:38 PM
Hmmm the main trailer showed us:
* black male being awesome
* hispanic female being awesome
* white female being awesome
* white male screwing around and being a buffoon, then being asked why he was even there. Why indeed?

You mean the bard leader of the group wearing the Harpers pin? The biggest star for the movie, who is totally awesome in this clip?

Jesus wept, when did conservatives like you become such whiney little pussies looking to play the victim over anything? Are you really as insecure as you come across?

How do you get whining from that? It's really interesting how any time a conservative criticizes anything, people are quick to say "WOW, ACKSHULLY LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE THE SNOWFLAKE," as if A: conceding that being a fragile snowflake is a bad thing, and B: that comparing calm, banal statements to your own side's apoplexy, are very good strategies. I don't know how you could possibly project harder.

I didn't call you a snowflake. I called you a pussy. Does that sound like I am a lefty? I'm not. Lefties don't call people pussies. Which is what I am calling you.

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 22, 2022, 06:06:50 PM

Quote from: Shasarak on July 22, 2022, 05:20:43 PM

Quote from: Innocent Smith on July 22, 2022, 03:36:06 PM
The thing I find most amusing about this movie is how the comments are full of people who obviously have never played any other edition (or have only ever watched Critical Role) complaining about owlbear wildshape and the tiefling being a normal skin color.

There was a Tiefling?

The shape shifting white girl. If you look at her head closely, she has Tiefling horns sticking out from her hair.

And a tail

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on July 22, 2022, 06:53:34 PM

Quote from: Dylan Logos on July 22, 2022, 12:44:35 PM

Quote from: BronzeDragon on July 21, 2022, 03:03:42 AM
Get a load of this:

https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves (https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves)

Granted, these are just stills from production (before all the bells & whistles are added in post), but oooh boy.

One way to sum up the vibe is "That D&D movie + 5E awfulness + cheap as all hell production design)".

I wonder if the non-playing D&D "fans" will like it though...seems to be right up there with youtube D&D shows.

It seems that basically no one agrees with you, BronzeDragon. Here you were, thinking to garner some easy kudos by ragging on this great-looking film and by making a sly appeal to the knee-jerk anti-woke zealotry popular in these parts. Try again next time.

The trailer for the movie looks like shit. The only slight saving grace is Chris Pine, and that's not saying much. Without him, this flick would be a complete dud. The only white male protagonist is Pine (who is disrespected by his non-white male teammates), and the only white female protagonist plays the role of a tiefling....and tieflings are descended from demons or devils. Let's popularize demonspawn! ::)

I'm sure TPTB will successfully launder plenty of money with this film. Whatever. Not interested.

Wow. Why is the race of the characters meaningful to you?

Quote from: HappyDaze on July 22, 2022, 07:17:41 PM

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on July 22, 2022, 06:53:34 PM

Quote from: Dylan Logos on July 22, 2022, 12:44:35 PM

Quote from: BronzeDragon on July 21, 2022, 03:03:42 AM
Get a load of this:

https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves (https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves)

Granted, these are just stills from production (before all the bells & whistles are added in post), but oooh boy.

One way to sum up the vibe is "That D&D movie + 5E awfulness + cheap as all hell production design)".

I wonder if the non-playing D&D "fans" will like it though...seems to be right up there with youtube D&D shows.

It seems that basically no one agrees with you, BronzeDragon. Here you were, thinking to garner some easy kudos by ragging on this great-looking film and by making a sly appeal to the knee-jerk anti-woke zealotry popular in these parts. Try again next time.

The trailer for the movie looks like shit. The only slight saving grace is Chris Pine, and that's not saying much. Without him, this flick would be a complete dud. The only white male protagonist is Pine (who is disrespected by his non-white male teammates), and the only white female protagonist plays the role of a tiefling....and tieflings are descended from demons or devils. Let's popularize demonspawn! ::)

I'm sure TPTB will successfully launder plenty of money with this film. Whatever. Not interested.

It really sounds like you're saying it looks like shit because it's not white male enough for you. Your screech of insecurity is deafening.

Yes, that's exactly what it sounded like to me too.

Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 07:28:29 PM
Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Quote from: Mistwell on July 22, 2022, 09:14:51 PM

Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 07:28:29 PM
Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Mistwell on July 22, 2022, 09:11:19 PM

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on July 22, 2022, 06:53:34 PM

Quote from: Dylan Logos on July 22, 2022, 12:44:35 PM

Quote from: BronzeDragon on July 21, 2022, 03:03:42 AM
Get a load of this:

https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves (https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves)

Granted, these are just stills from production (before all the bells & whistles are added in post), but oooh boy.

One way to sum up the vibe is "That D&D movie + 5E awfulness + cheap as all hell production design)".

I wonder if the non-playing D&D "fans" will like it though...seems to be right up there with youtube D&D shows.

It seems that basically no one agrees with you, BronzeDragon. Here you were, thinking to garner some easy kudos by ragging on this great-looking film and by making a sly appeal to the knee-jerk anti-woke zealotry popular in these parts. Try again next time.

The trailer for the movie looks like shit. The only slight saving grace is Chris Pine, and that's not saying much. Without him, this flick would be a complete dud. The only white male protagonist is Pine (who is disrespected by his non-white male teammates), and the only white female protagonist plays the role of a tiefling....and tieflings are descended from demons or devils. Let's popularize demonspawn! ::)

I'm sure TPTB will successfully launder plenty of money with this film. Whatever. Not interested.

Wow. Why is the race of the characters meaningful to you?

I will give you some advice. You will never successfully shame people into buying a product. I recognize neo-Marxist exercises in "critical race theory" in media (and debate) when I see them. Remember the Hasbro whistleblower being suspended for revealing the company covertly pushing CRT (critical race theory) through branding and messaging through their products? I do. The amazing thing is that the guy who was suspended was black. It's very funny.

Not that it matters though, because I'm not white enough for your feeble attempt at "white guilt" to work on me. I know what you're doing, and I'll tell you that you're just wasting your time.

But the point here is that I summarily reject products that try to "socially engineer" me.

DO. NOT. WANT.

Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 09:46:03 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on July 22, 2022, 09:14:51 PM

Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 07:28:29 PM
Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

Yeah, it's also a hard pass from me. There was a time when I could overlook that because there were other stuff where it balanced out, now? They can get bent.

Quote from: HappyDaze on July 22, 2022, 07:17:41 PM
It really sounds like you're saying it looks like shit because it's not white male enough for you. Your screech of insecurity is deafening.

Personally I love seeing all these token minorities doing the best they can.

Think of all the money it saves the film companies.

Quote from: Reckall on July 22, 2022, 08:05:10 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 22, 2022, 02:21:31 PM

Quote from: Reckall on July 22, 2022, 02:17:44 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 22, 2022, 12:54:35 PM

Quote from: C-nt the Bunty Snuggler on July 22, 2022, 12:44:35 PM

Quote from: BronzeDragon on July 21, 2022, 03:03:42 AM
Get a load of this:

https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves (https://www.ign.com/articles/first-look-at-the-characters-from-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves)

Granted, these are just stills from production (before all the bells & whistles are added in post), but oooh boy.

One way to sum up the vibe is "That D&D movie + 5E awfulness + cheap as all hell production design)".

I wonder if the non-playing D&D "fans" will like it though...seems to be right up there with youtube D&D shows.

It seems that basically no one agrees with you, BronzeDragon. Here you were, thinking to garner some easy kudos by ragging on this great-looking film and by making a sly appeal to the knee-jerk anti-woke zealotry popular in these parts. Try again next time.

The funny thing is that visually, it's not bad. I'm hoping for a beholder just to see how they work it.

There was a beholder in "Big Trouble in Little China" (or at least a beholderkin). Kurt Russell sent it away crying IIRC.

Probably beholderkin. No offense to Jack Burton but I doubt he could've swatted an actual eye tyrant that easily.

Among the many fun things in BTILC there is Jack Burton who is introduced as the classic "Kurt Russell in a John Carpenter movie" hero, but he is anything but. Killing Lo Pan at the end is literally the only thing that he manages to do. His biggest strength across the movie is to pass from embarrassment to embarrassment without losing his swagger, while everyone else does all the work.

BTILC makes a lot more sense if you consider that Jack Burton isn't the hero -- he's the sidekick :)

Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 22, 2022, 12:54:35 PM
The funny thing is that visually, it's not bad. I'm hoping for a beholder just to see how they work it.

I'm wondering if Hugh Grant's character isn't a shape-shifted creature of some sort. I mean, no way "Forge Fletcher" is a real name. It sounds like something a red dragon would THINK is a good human name.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on July 22, 2022, 07:56:44 PM

Quote from: Omega on July 22, 2022, 07:48:45 PM
WOTC has been doing that since 5e came out. See my comments in some old threads about just how demon-happy they have been. To the point of ret-conning quite a few classic monsters to now either be demon spawn, or demons were somehow involved. Not to mention it feels like about every other module seems to be demon themed. Princes of the Apocalypse, Out of the Abyss, Descent into Avernus. And technically Wyld beyond the Witchlight as its hag and possible demon goddess themed.

They probably went Tiefling because they used to feature in Neverwinter and are relatively easy to costume if you drop the tail and keep the horns small.

  Not since 5E--pretty much since they acquired D&D. One of the first things they did when buying D&D was announce the reinstatement of the 'demon' and 'devil' names, 3E certainly didn't stint on them (although a lot of that was under Paizo's run on Dragon), and 4E folded warlocks and tieflings into the core.

I always thought it weird how tieflings became a core race but aasimars didn't. 5e eventually introduced aasimars in one of their bajillion sourcebooks (forget which one), but then immediately gave you the option to play a fallen aasimar. The certainly have a fixation on normalizing evil, and you know how they love to inject bits of their real-world beliefs into the material. It's only a matter of time before WOTC starts talking about "human / halfling" relationships.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 22, 2022, 10:17:50 PM

Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 09:46:03 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on July 22, 2022, 09:14:51 PM

Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 07:28:29 PM
Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

Yeah, it's also a hard pass from me. There was a time when I could overlook that because there were other stuff where it balanced out, now? They can get bent.

Oh fucking puh-lease.

You all sound like the most whinny bitch racists ever right now.

This is bog standard Hollywood diversity casting thats been a thing for at least 3 iterations of SJWs trying to twist it out of shape. Theres nothing wrong with the casting other than the castings diversity is so weak kneed they went with people that at a glance you can barely tell are minorities. And one whos a minority only when the SJWs allow them to be.

They went the safest route possible and cast the whitest looking minorities they could lay hands on. Or would take the job.

As for the barbarian gal. Oh give me a fucking break. Shes a bog standard snarky amazon type. Nothing new here to get your panties in a knot over.

But no no no. Its all oh woe is me! Dem evil whammens is scarededing me!

Fuck sake the lot of you are going to make perfect little next wave SJWs.

The more I look at the trailer the more it looks like an IDW comic. And that is not a good thing.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 22, 2022, 10:17:50 PM

Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 09:46:03 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on July 22, 2022, 09:14:51 PM

Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 07:28:29 PM
Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

If he is a Harper then he could be modeled on Danilo from the "Elfshadow" novels. He is a very competent Harper who masks his identity behind a foppy and buffoonish facade - not unlike Chris Pine here. It would be a remarkable but totally coherent plot twist.

Quote from: Omega on July 23, 2022, 03:30:57 AM
Oh fucking puh-lease.

You all sound like the most whinny bitch racists ever right now.

This is bog standard Hollywood diversity casting thats been a thing for at least 3 iterations of SJWs trying to twist it out of shape. Theres nothing wrong with the casting other than the castings diversity is so weak kneed they went with people that at a glance you can barely tell are minorities. And one whos a minority only when the SJWs allow them to be.

They went the safest route possible and cast the whitest looking minorities they could lay hands on. Or would take the job.

I don't understand you, here. The Forgotten Realms are diverse since forever. One of the main PC in my longest running campaign was "a Hinduist Halfling". The main criticism towards "The Rings of Power" is that they don't respect the lore. "If you want black characters adapt a world that has them or write your own story" - the former being what we see here.

In the party we have two white, two black and one mixed race character, which is balanced. And from what we see both the black male sorcerer and paladin are goofy, too.

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As for the barbarian gal. Oh give me a fucking break. Shes a bog standard snarky amazon type. Nothing new here to get your panties in a knot over.

She is Michelle Rodriguez. I like her so I'm not bothered by her playing the "Amazon" type. I'm quite happy with the Barbarian casting, as I think that Rodriguez can pull off a funny "barbarian rage" moment. The rest will lie on how they have written her character buy this is true for the whole movie.

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But no no no. Its all oh woe is me! Dem evil whammens is scarededing me!

Fuck sake the lot of you are going to make perfect little next wave SJWs.

If you want to rage against something, "House of Dragon" dropped an interesting trailer. Then the showrunners immediately digged their own grave with an interview so full of identity politics (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/inside-house-of-the-dragon-trailer-cast-1235182776/) that, if you like them, you will get diabetes. This interview alone obliterated the honest curiosity I had towards the show. I still have to see something like that about this movie. We have the trailer, it has the fun vibes of D&D around a table, the production quality is below what I expect for a TV show in 2022, I'll wait and see.

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Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 07:28:29 PM
Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

Yeah, it's also a hard pass from me. There was a time when I could overlook that because there were other stuff where it balanced out, now? They can get bent.

Oh fucking puh-lease.

You all sound like the most whinny bitch racists ever right now.

This is bog standard Hollywood diversity casting thats been a thing for at least 3 iterations of SJWs trying to twist it out of shape. Theres nothing wrong with the casting other than the castings diversity is so weak kneed they went with people that at a glance you can barely tell are minorities. And one whos a minority only when the SJWs allow them to be.

They went the safest route possible and cast the whitest looking minorities they could lay hands on. Or would take the job.

As for the barbarian gal. Oh give me a fucking break. Shes a bog standard snarky amazon type. Nothing new here to get your panties in a knot over.

But no no no. Its all oh woe is me! Dem evil whammens is scarededing me!

Fuck sake the lot of you are going to make perfect little next wave SJWs.

The more I look at the trailer the more it looks like an IDW comic. And that is not a good thing.

  I do not think that it is because the soft propaganda of Hollywood is new, its that since the left started saying the quiet parts out loud people are suddenly noticing Hollywood has been running quite the propaganda campaign for decades, over 50 years.   So if they sound like racist wankers....well they are simply saying the EXACT same things lefties have complained about with regards to movies and casting.  It turns out if you demonstrate shitty behavior can work out to meet your ends, the opposition might decide to copy that behavior.  I would think lefties would be more careful with pandora's box, but I do not think they read that myth.  I am not a particular fan of making the sort of complaints you point out here....but I also do not get mad if I see a person who is getting pushed around and slapped decide to punch back. 

Quote from: Omega on July 23, 2022, 03:30:57 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 22, 2022, 10:17:50 PM

Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 09:46:03 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on July 22, 2022, 09:14:51 PM

Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 07:28:29 PM
Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

Yeah, it's also a hard pass from me. There was a time when I could overlook that because there were other stuff where it balanced out, now? They can get bent.

Oh fucking puh-lease.

You all sound like the most whinny bitch racists ever right now.

This is bog standard Hollywood diversity casting thats been a thing for at least 3 iterations of SJWs trying to twist it out of shape. Theres nothing wrong with the casting other than the castings diversity is so weak kneed they went with people that at a glance you can barely tell are minorities. And one whos a minority only when the SJWs allow them to be.

They went the safest route possible and cast the whitest looking minorities they could lay hands on. Or would take the job.

As for the barbarian gal. Oh give me a fucking break. Shes a bog standard snarky amazon type. Nothing new here to get your panties in a knot over.

But no no no. Its all oh woe is me! Dem evil whammens is scarededing me!

Fuck sake the lot of you are going to make perfect little next wave SJWs.

The more I look at the trailer the more it looks like an IDW comic. And that is not a good thing.

Yes, you're right, this Maya is a white supremacist...

Or, hear me out, that's what I saw and those are my sincere opinions that have nothing to do with the characters' race but with the writting.

Or you could keep on trying to give me white guilt.

Quote from: Effete on July 23, 2022, 02:15:08 AM
[I always thought it weird how tieflings became a core race but aasimars didn't. 5e eventually introduced aasimars in one of their bajillion sourcebooks (forget which one), but then immediately gave you the option to play a fallen aasimar. The certainly have a fixation on normalizing evil, and you know how they love to inject bits of their real-world beliefs into the material. It's only a matter of time before WOTC starts talking about "human / halfling" relationships.

  They go into this at length in the 4E preview book Wizards Presents: Races and Classes:

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Celestials--Rob Heinsoo

If you're a long-time D&D fan, odds are that you've already noticed that the tieflings' promotion to first-rank player character race has left another race behind: the race that was the tieflings' light-side counterpart, a race of golden humans descended from angels--the aasimar.

Even now I struggle to type that word without spelling it like buttocks.

I'm one of the designers who argued that we should stop using the word "aasimar." in the aasimar's place, you'll meet a race of celestials who have plunged through the same transforming fires as the tieflings.

I won't lie: making Good-associated creatures as exciting as their Evil-curious counterparts is a challenge. I call the challenge the "Ave Maria" problem, a reference to Walt Disney's original Fantasia, a wonderful animated film that ended with musical meditations on Evil and Good. Evil got Night on Bald Mountain, accompanied by an evil-storm orchestrated by a whip-wielding demon. [sic: Chernobog never uses a whip or any other object in Fantasia.] Good followed up with barely animated candle-bearing keepers of the faith proceeding across the screen singing Ave Maria. It's a sweet piece of music, and it certainly speaks to the possibilities of Good, but the animation just didn't hold a candle to lightning storms on Bald Mountain.

So now you know our mission: celestials who sizzle bright enough to hold their own against Bald Mountain lightning storms. We're working on it!

TL;DR: "Evil is cool; Good is boring." Their attempt at making 'sizzling' celestials gave us the 4E devas, who seem more inspired by a mixture of the Watchers from the Book of Enoch, the popular idea of 'angels who want to be human', and Indian concepts of eternal rebirth, based on the "Ecology of the Deva" in DRAGON #374.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on July 23, 2022, 09:32:34 AM

Quote from: Effete on July 23, 2022, 02:15:08 AM
[I always thought it weird how tieflings became a core race but aasimars didn't. 5e eventually introduced aasimars in one of their bajillion sourcebooks (forget which one), but then immediately gave you the option to play a fallen aasimar. The certainly have a fixation on normalizing evil, and you know how they love to inject bits of their real-world beliefs into the material. It's only a matter of time before WOTC starts talking about "human / halfling" relationships.

  They go into this at length in the 4E preview book Wizards Presents: Races and Classes:

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Celestials--Rob Heinsoo

If you're a long-time D&D fan, odds are that you've already noticed that the tieflings' promotion to first-rank player character race has left another race behind: the race that was the tieflings' light-side counterpart, a race of golden humans descended from angels--the aasimar.

Even now I struggle to type that word without spelling it like buttocks.

I'm one of the designers who argued that we should stop using the word "aasimar." in the aasimar's place, you'll meet a race of celestials who have plunged through the same transforming fires as the tieflings.

I won't lie: making Good-associated creatures as exciting as their Evil-curious counterparts is a challenge. I call the challenge the "Ave Maria" problem, a reference to Walt Disney's original Fantasia, a wonderful animated film that ended with musical meditations on Evil and Good. Evil got Night on Bald Mountain, accompanied by an evil-storm orchestrated by a whip-wielding demon. [sic: Chernobog never uses a whip or any other object in Fantasia.] Good followed up with barely animated candle-bearing keepers of the faith proceeding across the screen singing Ave Maria. It's a sweet piece of music, and it certainly speaks to the possibilities of Good, but the animation just didn't hold a candle to lightning storms on Bald Mountain.

So now you know our mission: celestials who sizzle bright enough to hold their own against Bald Mountain lightning storms. We're working on it!

TL;DR: "Evil is cool; Good is boring." Their attempt at making 'sizzling' celestials gave us the 4E devas, who seem more inspired by a mixture of the Watchers from the Book of Enoch, the popular idea of 'angels who want to be human', and Indian concepts of eternal rebirth, based on the "Ecology of the Deva" in DRAGON #374.

I beleive the 5e aasimar has an angelic voice in their head that encourages them to be "righteous" (but that varies from angel to angel). I did find it interesting that aasimar might seem like they are suffering from auditory hallucinations...and maybe they are.

Quote from: oggsmash on July 23, 2022, 05:25:38 AM
  I do not think that it is because the soft propaganda of Hollywood is new, its that since the left started saying the quiet parts out loud people are suddenly noticing Hollywood has been running quite the propaganda campaign for decades, over 50 years. So if they sound like racist wankers....well they are simply saying the EXACT same things lefties have complained about with regards to movies and casting. It turns out if you demonstrate shitty behavior can work out to meet your ends, the opposition might decide to copy that behavior. I would think lefties would be more careful with pandora's box, but I do not think they read that myth. I am not a particular fan of making the sort of complaints you point out here....but I also do not get mad if I see a person who is getting pushed around and slapped decide to punch back.

I think that this reaction is caused as much by the prevalence of SJW propaganda, as by excessive dwelling on the culture war. Seriously, the propping up of "minority" characters and putting down of the single white male LEADER of the team wasn't that prevalent or overdone in the trailer. And the goofiness of the leader isn't that dissimilar from that of the lead character in Guardians of the Galaxy (which this film apparently takes inspiration from), so it's not like having a goofy lead character is new. Plus the character is apparently a bard, and it's not unusual to poke fun ar bard characters either. This could just as likely be about that, and about portraying the comedic side of the film, as it is about putting down the poor persecuted white male (might even be both).

Complaining so much reeks of "taking offense". People are reading too much into this. This is why I've been stepping back from consuming so much culture war content and quit social media (other than RPG forums or YT, which may technically qualify) 2-3 years ago. Dwelling so much on this crap messes with your brain and makes you hyper-aware of this stuff till the point where you interpret even the tiniest (possibly incidental) hint of (potential) "progressivism" as an intentional slight or pernicious SJW propaganda.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on July 23, 2022, 09:32:34 AM

Quote from: Effete on July 23, 2022, 02:15:08 AM
[I always thought it weird how tieflings became a core race but aasimars didn't. 5e eventually introduced aasimars in one of their bajillion sourcebooks (forget which one), but then immediately gave you the option to play a fallen aasimar. The certainly have a fixation on normalizing evil, and you know how they love to inject bits of their real-world beliefs into the material. It's only a matter of time before WOTC starts talking about "human / halfling" relationships.

  They go into this at length in the 4E preview book Wizards Presents: Races and Classes:

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Celestials--Rob Heinsoo

If you're a long-time D&D fan, odds are that you've already noticed that the tieflings' promotion to first-rank player character race has left another race behind: the race that was the tieflings' light-side counterpart, a race of golden humans descended from angels--the aasimar.

Even now I struggle to type that word without spelling it like buttocks.

I'm one of the designers who argued that we should stop using the word "aasimar." in the aasimar's place, you'll meet a race of celestials who have plunged through the same transforming fires as the tieflings.

I won't lie: making Good-associated creatures as exciting as their Evil-curious counterparts is a challenge. I call the challenge the "Ave Maria" problem, a reference to Walt Disney's original Fantasia, a wonderful animated film that ended with musical meditations on Evil and Good. Evil got Night on Bald Mountain, accompanied by an evil-storm orchestrated by a whip-wielding demon. [sic: Chernobog never uses a whip or any other object in Fantasia.] Good followed up with barely animated candle-bearing keepers of the faith proceeding across the screen singing Ave Maria. It's a sweet piece of music, and it certainly speaks to the possibilities of Good, but the animation just didn't hold a candle to lightning storms on Bald Mountain.

So now you know our mission: celestials who sizzle bright enough to hold their own against Bald Mountain lightning storms. We're working on it!

TL;DR: "Evil is cool; Good is boring." Their attempt at making 'sizzling' celestials gave us the 4E devas, who seem more inspired by a mixture of the Watchers from the Book of Enoch, the popular idea of 'angels who want to be human', and Indian concepts of eternal rebirth, based on the "Ecology of the Deva" in DRAGON #374.

TBH, I think that both race names sound ridiculous, and the term Deva sounds way cooler than either of them (and the source it originates from more to my liking). But Jeeses! That has to be the most degrading preamble to a race or class entry I have ever seen. Usually they try to pump you up about the prospect of playing a character of this type. But here the guy goes multiple paragraphs about how the name "aasimar" sounds like ass, and how the race is a boring ass concept compared it its diabolical counterpart.

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 23, 2022, 10:44:09 AM
TBH, I think that both race names sound ridiculous, and the term Deva sounds way cooler than either of them (and the source it originates from more to my liking). But Jeeses! That has to be the most degrading preamble to a race or class entry I have ever seen. Usually they try to pump you up about the prospect of playing a character of this type. But here the guy goes multiple paragraphs about how the name "aasimar" sounds like ass, and how the race is a boring ass concept compared it its diabolical counterpart.

   In fairness, that was a blurb from the promo book that was intended to justify 'why aren't they in the PHB1?' But it does suggest a certain paucity of imagination or lopsidedness in their viewpoint, doesn't it?

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on July 23, 2022, 09:32:34 AM

Quote from: Effete on July 23, 2022, 02:15:08 AM
[I always thought it weird how tieflings became a core race but aasimars didn't. 5e eventually introduced aasimars in one of their bajillion sourcebooks (forget which one), but then immediately gave you the option to play a fallen aasimar. The certainly have a fixation on normalizing evil, and you know how they love to inject bits of their real-world beliefs into the material. It's only a matter of time before WOTC starts talking about "human / halfling" relationships.

  They go into this at length in the 4E preview book Wizards Presents: Races and Classes:

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Celestials--Rob Heinsoo

If you're a long-time D&D fan, odds are that you've already noticed that the tieflings' promotion to first-rank player character race has left another race behind: the race that was the tieflings' light-side counterpart, a race of golden humans descended from angels--the aasimar.

Even now I struggle to type that word without spelling it like buttocks.

I'm one of the designers who argued that we should stop using the word "aasimar." in the aasimar's place, you'll meet a race of celestials who have plunged through the same transforming fires as the tieflings.

I won't lie: making Good-associated creatures as exciting as their Evil-curious counterparts is a challenge. I call the challenge the "Ave Maria" problem, a reference to Walt Disney's original Fantasia, a wonderful animated film that ended with musical meditations on Evil and Good. Evil got Night on Bald Mountain, accompanied by an evil-storm orchestrated by a whip-wielding demon. [sic: Chernobog never uses a whip or any other object in Fantasia.] Good followed up with barely animated candle-bearing keepers of the faith proceeding across the screen singing Ave Maria. It's a sweet piece of music, and it certainly speaks to the possibilities of Good, but the animation just didn't hold a candle to lightning storms on Bald Mountain.

So now you know our mission: celestials who sizzle bright enough to hold their own against Bald Mountain lightning storms. We're working on it!

TL;DR: "Evil is cool; Good is boring." Their attempt at making 'sizzling' celestials gave us the 4E devas, who seem more inspired by a mixture of the Watchers from the Book of Enoch, the popular idea of 'angels who want to be human', and Indian concepts of eternal rebirth, based on the "Ecology of the Deva" in DRAGON #374.

It might have been better if Heinsoo actually had cracked a book concerning the Planescape race lore, but what do you expect from someone who apparently can't remember how to spell 'aasimar' after seeing it a few times.

I suppose maybe he just went back to 3E and used the godawful FR tiefling lore...

If all they do is the basic 'DI' visual window dressing the movie will probably be fun.

If you are making a D&D movie it needs to not take itself seriously. 
Much more BTILC/A-Team/Mystery Men than LOTR/The Dark Knight.

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Quote from: VisionStorm on July 23, 2022, 10:44:09 AM
TBH, I think that both race names sound ridiculous, and the term Deva sounds way cooler than either of them (and the source it originates from more to my liking). But Jeeses! That has to be the most degrading preamble to a race or class entry I have ever seen. Usually they try to pump you up about the prospect of playing a character of this type. But here the guy goes multiple paragraphs about how the name "aasimar" sounds like ass, and how the race is a boring ass concept compared it its diabolical counterpart.

   In fairness, that was a blurb from the promo book that was intended to justify 'why aren't they in the PHB1?' But it does suggest a certain paucity of imagination or lopsidedness in their viewpoint, doesn't it?

Yeah, even when used as part of a promo, that was the opposite of a promo. It practical spits on the notion that people would even wanna play this race. They could've blamed page count and limited page space, along with the popularity of Tiefling for not including Aasimar alongside them in the first place. But no, the guy basically said their name sounds like ass, and he couldn't figure out how to make the idea of playing freaking half-angels interesting.

It's like dude, you have freaking radiant fountains of divine light shining upon the world and they're supposed to look hawt af with lustrous hair and flawless skin. Just paint a picture of a radiant super model in shining light, emanating divine glory and it will sell. Tell players, "if you wanna play characters THIS hawt play an aasimar. If you wanna play horned freaks who get rejected everywhere, play a Tiefling instead".

Quote from: moonsweeper on July 23, 2022, 11:41:38 AM
If all they do is the basic 'DI' visual window dressing the movie will probably be fun.

If you are making a D&D movie it needs to not take itself seriously. 
Much more BTILC/A-Team/Mystery Men than LOTR/The Dark Knight.

IDK, they already did a non-serious D&D film before and it blew. But LotR made D&Dish fantasy cool again. I'm not sure where this assumption that a D&D film can't be serious comes from, but it hasn't done it favors in the past.

Though, movie's already made, so it doesn't matter. This one looks better than what they've done before at least. And it's finally based on an actual D&D setting.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on July 23, 2022, 09:32:34 AM

Quote from: Effete on July 23, 2022, 02:15:08 AM
[I always thought it weird how tieflings became a core race but aasimars didn't. 5e eventually introduced aasimars in one of their bajillion sourcebooks (forget which one), but then immediately gave you the option to play a fallen aasimar. The certainly have a fixation on normalizing evil, and you know how they love to inject bits of their real-world beliefs into the material. It's only a matter of time before WOTC starts talking about "human / halfling" relationships.

  They go into this at length in the 4E preview book Wizards Presents: Races and Classes:

Quote
Celestials--Rob Heinsoo

If you're a long-time D&D fan, odds are that you've already noticed that the tieflings' promotion to first-rank player character race has left another race behind: the race that was the tieflings' light-side counterpart, a race of golden humans descended from angels--the aasimar.

Even now I struggle to type that word without spelling it like buttocks.

I'm one of the designers who argued that we should stop using the word "aasimar." in the aasimar's place, you'll meet a race of celestials who have plunged through the same transforming fires as the tieflings.

I won't lie: making Good-associated creatures as exciting as their Evil-curious counterparts is a challenge. I call the challenge the "Ave Maria" problem, a reference to Walt Disney's original Fantasia, a wonderful animated film that ended with musical meditations on Evil and Good. Evil got Night on Bald Mountain, accompanied by an evil-storm orchestrated by a whip-wielding demon. [sic: Chernobog never uses a whip or any other object in Fantasia.] Good followed up with barely animated candle-bearing keepers of the faith proceeding across the screen singing Ave Maria. It's a sweet piece of music, and it certainly speaks to the possibilities of Good, but the animation just didn't hold a candle to lightning storms on Bald Mountain.

So now you know our mission: celestials who sizzle bright enough to hold their own against Bald Mountain lightning storms. We're working on it!

TL;DR: "Evil is cool; Good is boring." Their attempt at making 'sizzling' celestials gave us the 4E devas, who seem more inspired by a mixture of the Watchers from the Book of Enoch, the popular idea of 'angels who want to be human', and Indian concepts of eternal rebirth, based on the "Ecology of the Deva" in DRAGON #374.

Ahh, I completely skipped over 4e after years of playing 3.x burned me out on anything fantasy for a long time. The thing with "Evil is cool; Good is boring" is that it's kinda true. Look at Vader versus Obi Wan. Everyone thought Vader was "cool" and that Obi Wan was a bit of a dottering old man. But what Rob Heinsoo seems to ignore is that being Evil is giving in to temptation, while being Good requires struggling to maintain virtue. If he knew that, maybe he wouldn't find it so hard to write Good characters.

Also, it's hard looking back on Disney praise as anything but suspect, even if they did know how to make good films once upon a time.

As for the name sounding like "ass", that was probably just a low-effort attempt at humor. Years before this blurb came out, our table would joking call them ass-maws (no relation to the ethereal fletcher). But our immature toilet humor, joking around over beers and pizza, in no way was used to disparage the race. It was just us having fun.

While I'm not optimistic in anyway, I haven't decided one way or the other if I'll waste my hard earned money to see at the theatre or wait until it can be streamed.

I just seriously do no trust hollywood anymore. I haven't seen, I'll admit I'm no movie buff, a really good hollywood produced movie in.....well I don't know how long. While hollywood still can throw money at films I wonder for how long if they keep flopping. (I know the new top gun has done well but I hate Tom Cruise and I have no real desire to see it. Besides, I believe the new film is just another recruiting film in disguise-LOL)

My problem is a good D&D movie should have a story, so based on DL or FR so either Drizzt and CoTM or War of the Lance type of thing. Despite what a grognard would say on hating those I believe they would have more appeal to a broader audience than say a moved based on appendix N type of stuff.

And to have "thieves" the center of this movie is edgy and mary sue.....I just don't know how it will be received.

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Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 07:28:29 PM
Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

Yeah, it's also a hard pass from me. There was a time when I could overlook that because there were other stuff where it balanced out, now? They can get bent.

Oh fucking puh-lease.

You all sound like the most whinny bitch racists ever right now.

This is bog standard Hollywood diversity casting thats been a thing for at least 3 iterations of SJWs trying to twist it out of shape. Theres nothing wrong with the casting other than the castings diversity is so weak kneed they went with people that at a glance you can barely tell are minorities. And one whos a minority only when the SJWs allow them to be.

They went the safest route possible and cast the whitest looking minorities they could lay hands on. Or would take the job.

As for the barbarian gal. Oh give me a fucking break. Shes a bog standard snarky amazon type. Nothing new here to get your panties in a knot over.

But no no no. Its all oh woe is me! Dem evil whammens is scarededing me!

Fuck sake the lot of you are going to make perfect little next wave SJWs.

The more I look at the trailer the more it looks like an IDW comic. And that is not a good thing.

Yes, you're right, this Maya is a white supremacist...

Or, hear me out, that's what I saw and those are my sincere opinions that have nothing to do with the characters' race but with the writting.

Or you could keep on trying to give me white guilt.

You might not be a white supremacist but you sure seem plenty racist. And don't even try and tell me Mexicans of Maya origin are not racist - I work with several, and you know I know there are plenty of racists in your part of the world. Often even more blatant than in America.

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TBH, I think that both race names sound ridiculous, and the term Deva sounds way cooler than either of them (and the source it originates from more to my liking).

I agree, especially since "tiefling" is just a German word that means "deepling". Based on that, the aasimar should actually be called a "hochling." And if "aasimar" sounds like "ass", deepling makes me think of dumpling.

Dont know if Teethling should be making fun of other peoples names.

Maybe they should be called Hornylings?

Quote from: Shasarak on July 24, 2022, 04:04:09 AM
Dont know if Teethling should be making fun of other peoples names.

Maybe they should be called Hornylings?

I mean, it would be 100% accurate to the way I've seen most Tieflings played.

Movie is bizarre in how bad and cheap it looks. Also...a lot of it seems VERY similar to the original D&D movie that came out at the same time as LOTR...

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Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 07:28:29 PM
Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

Yeah, it's also a hard pass from me. There was a time when I could overlook that because there were other stuff where it balanced out, now? They can get bent.

Oh fucking puh-lease.

You all sound like the most whinny bitch racists ever right now.

This is bog standard Hollywood diversity casting thats been a thing for at least 3 iterations of SJWs trying to twist it out of shape. Theres nothing wrong with the casting other than the castings diversity is so weak kneed they went with people that at a glance you can barely tell are minorities. And one whos a minority only when the SJWs allow them to be.

They went the safest route possible and cast the whitest looking minorities they could lay hands on. Or would take the job.

As for the barbarian gal. Oh give me a fucking break. Shes a bog standard snarky amazon type. Nothing new here to get your panties in a knot over.

But no no no. Its all oh woe is me! Dem evil whammens is scarededing me!

Fuck sake the lot of you are going to make perfect little next wave SJWs.

The more I look at the trailer the more it looks like an IDW comic. And that is not a good thing.

Yes, you're right, this Maya is a white supremacist...

Or, hear me out, that's what I saw and those are my sincere opinions that have nothing to do with the characters' race but with the writting.

Or you could keep on trying to give me white guilt.

You might not be a white supremacist but you sure seem plenty racist. And don't even try and tell me Mexicans of Maya origin are not racist - I work with several, and you know I know there are plenty of racists in your part of the world. Often even more blatant than in America.

Are you actually trying to "white guilt" Mexicans now? This is so funny! ;D Will you try to "white guilt" the Chinese next, when this movie bombs there? Oh, wait. I forgot that "Pedowood" can just do "ghost screenings" now, like they did for the Captain Marvel movie......so maybe Pedowood doesn't actually need real people to go see their so-called "D&D movie", which is really just a giant corporate ESG exercise in critical race theory propaganda. Money laundering is alive and well in the movie-making business...

While you're at it, Misty, will you call Mexicans "Nazis" next? It sure feels like you want to. Remember, when in doubt.....call your enemy a "racist" (or Nazi!), and you can justify any evil, depravity, or social shaming upon him....while automatically winning any argument with the target you've "unpersoned".

Right? 8)

P.S. It's hilarious watching Misty trying to "white guilt" a Mexican into purchasing a corporate product. :D

QuoteOf course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Oh, for Lord's sake stop whining SHARK. D&D let's remind you - can be game about rainbow skinned hippo-people barbarian, so whining that only Main Lead and Main Villain are white guys is totally pointless.

Especially when in this film you have actual ginger white female not played by AfroAmerican :P

Quoteou're barking up the wrong tree. But I do at least recognize low doses of neo-Marxist wankery when I see it. I also recognize Hasbro trying to normalize and destigmatize evil races like dark elves and tieflings and orcs in modern D&D, because the people who control the IP seem invested in subverting and inverting morality.

My friend, morality is based on free will individuals making their moral choices according to their believes and passions, virtues and vices.
Always evil orcs is inverted Gygaxian morality of making mortal beings incapable of it.

And tieflings TBH never were EVIL race. From very beginning AFAIK they were sort of outcast race, that have some dark temptations caused by their ancestry, but were otherwise clearly moral agents.

Now making demons and angels - morally grey - that would be inversion because they are made from souls after their picked their sides. But mortals... NOPE.
If woke thinks they are subverting anything - well they are accidentally subverting stupid concept in name of better - free will. Broken clock two times a day :P

QuoteNo, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

And if creators of this film gonna do it - we can justly scorn them for it.
But scorning them just for having diverse cast - in diverse gonzo fantasy land that is incoherent mix of everything from Ancient England to Victorian Egypt... is just turning into easily triggered mirror!wokes.

QuoteTL;DR: "Evil is cool; Good is boring." Their attempt at making 'sizzling' celestials gave us the 4E devas, who seem more inspired by a mixture of the Watchers from the Book of Enoch, the popular idea of 'angels who want to be human', and Indian concepts of eternal rebirth, based on the "Ecology of the Deva" in DRAGON #374.

TBH both 4e tieflings and devas were MEH. I like idea of unified planetouched template applied to various mortal races, and being generally social stigma - because you are by soul the same being as your mortal parents really, and signs of planar ancestry gives you mostly problems either because you're seen as tainted or as some token of holiness, when in fact you are Joe-Shmoe.

QuoteIDK, they already did a non-serious D&D film before and it blew. But LotR made D&Dish fantasy cool again. I'm not sure where this assumption that a D&D film can't be serious comes from, but it hasn't done it favors in the past.

Though, movie's already made, so it doesn't matter. This one looks better than what they've done before at least. And it's finally based on an actual D&D setting.

But is LOTR D&Dish? Old D&D was grimmer, and more pulpish, and Gygax was not big Tolkien fan (at least in game concept). NuD&D is superheroes in fantasy world.
Neither of those concepts fit with Tolkien really.

Arguably D&D film I'd like most would be mix of old and nu - Grim and Deadly, but also kinda tongue and cheek comedic story of amoral characters.
Tarantino Inglorious Bastards met Gunn Suicide Squad. In fact I'd totally hire Tarantino and Gunn as dual directors.

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QuoteTL;DR: "Evil is cool; Good is boring." Their attempt at making 'sizzling' celestials gave us the 4E devas, who seem more inspired by a mixture of the Watchers from the Book of Enoch, the popular idea of 'angels who want to be human', and Indian concepts of eternal rebirth, based on the "Ecology of the Deva" in DRAGON #374.

TBH both 4e tieflings and devas were MEH. I like idea of unified planetouched template applied to various mortal races, and being generally social stigma - because you are by soul the same being as your mortal parents really, and signs of planar ancestry gives you mostly problems either because you're seen as tainted or as some token of holiness, when in fact you are Joe-Shmoe.

A "Planetouched" template would probably work best, including not just Demonic/Angelic origins, but also Elemental origins as well. But if they're going to take the atomized approach and treat all half-humanoid/half-[insert planar origin] characters as separate races, then include a specialized race of Half-Demons as a default race, they should also have included Half-Angels as well from the get go.

EDIT/PS: One problem with D&D's/WotC's approach to this is that they always seem to take the specialized approach to everything, not just races, but also classes. So that in 5e you end up with a bunch of specialized classes, then when it comes to working on the new concept of "subclasses/archetypes" they end up having to invent even more hyper-specialized versions for those already specialized classes, such as silly "half-dragon" Sorcerers or Storm Sorcerers (which could just as easily work as a wizard subclass as well), cuz they don't know what else to with an already specialized variant of what's essentially a wizard with spontaneous casting (which isn't even an exclusive sorcerer feature anymore, but they kept them around cuz apparently once something makes it to the core game they can never just get rid of it*).

*not the I mind the idea of playing a hawt Cha-based mage, but that's practically the only reason to play Sorcerer anymore.

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QuoteIDK, they already did a non-serious D&D film before and it blew. But LotR made D&Dish fantasy cool again. I'm not sure where this assumption that a D&D film can't be serious comes from, but it hasn't done it favors in the past.

Though, movie's already made, so it doesn't matter. This one looks better than what they've done before at least. And it's finally based on an actual D&D setting.

But is LOTR D&Dish? Old D&D was grimmer, and more pulpish, and Gygax was not big Tolkien fan (at least in game concept). NuD&D is superheroes in fantasy world.
Neither of those concepts fit with Tolkien really.

Arguably D&D film I'd like most would be mix of old and nu - Grim and Deadly, but also kinda tongue and cheek comedic story of amoral characters.
Tarantino Inglorious Bastards met Gunn Suicide Squad. In fact I'd totally hire Tarantino and Gunn as dual directors.

"D&D" can be a broad range of things, even in the old days. What I mean by "D&Dish" is a style of fantasy that is similar to what would fit in the general tone of the range of things that D&D tries to evoke, including common elements such as Elves, Dwarves and Halflings.

That being said, though, while D&D has always included a broad range of possibilities, my impression has always been that default classic D&D is primarily (though, not exclusively) about heroic adventure in the "do-gooder" sense (not necessarily in the Greek mythology of godlike heroes, although there are elements of that as well). And that what the game primarily encourages is brave adventurers trying to defeat the forces of evil/chaos, with neutral/opportunistic characters being secondary, but also a possibility. Hence the emphasis on "alignment" that persisted till recent editions of D&D.

Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 07:28:29 PM
Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

Yeah, I have noticed that the vilification of whites in the media is actually working. I have seen people spewing outright hate against whites, and giving examples of the "evils of whiteness" that I frankly suspect were not taken from real life, but from Hollywood. You'd be surprised how many people think that "POC" are really like those blue people in Avatar, who are so in touch with nature, and white people are of course that military industrial complex guy who wants to murder everyone, bulldoze the forest, and chop down the "Tree of Souls".   ;D

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Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 07:28:29 PM
Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

Yeah, it's also a hard pass from me. There was a time when I could overlook that because there were other stuff where it balanced out, now? They can get bent.

Oh fucking puh-lease.

You all sound like the most whinny bitch racists ever right now.

This is bog standard Hollywood diversity casting thats been a thing for at least 3 iterations of SJWs trying to twist it out of shape. Theres nothing wrong with the casting other than the castings diversity is so weak kneed they went with people that at a glance you can barely tell are minorities. And one whos a minority only when the SJWs allow them to be.

They went the safest route possible and cast the whitest looking minorities they could lay hands on. Or would take the job.

As for the barbarian gal. Oh give me a fucking break. Shes a bog standard snarky amazon type. Nothing new here to get your panties in a knot over.

But no no no. Its all oh woe is me! Dem evil whammens is scarededing me!

Fuck sake the lot of you are going to make perfect little next wave SJWs.

The more I look at the trailer the more it looks like an IDW comic. And that is not a good thing.

Yes, you're right, this Maya is a white supremacist...

Or, hear me out, that's what I saw and those are my sincere opinions that have nothing to do with the characters' race but with the writting.

Or you could keep on trying to give me white guilt.

You might not be a white supremacist but you sure seem plenty racist. And don't even try and tell me Mexicans of Maya origin are not racist - I work with several, and you know I know there are plenty of racists in your part of the world. Often even more blatant than in America.

Are you actually trying to "white guilt" Mexicans now? This is so funny! ;D Will you try to "white guilt" the Chinese next, when this movie bombs there? Oh, wait. I forgot that "Pedowood" can just do "ghost screenings" now, like they did for the Captain Marvel movie......so maybe Pedowood doesn't actually need real people to go see their so-called "D&D movie", which is really just a giant corporate ESG exercise in critical race theory propaganda. Money laundering is alive and well in the movie-making business...

While you're at it, Misty, will you call Mexicans "Nazis" next? It sure feels like you want to. Remember, when in doubt.....call your enemy a "racist" (or Nazi!), and you can justify any evil, depravity, or social shaming upon him....while automatically winning any argument with the target you've "unpersoned".

Right? 8)

P.S. It's hilarious watching Misty trying to "white guilt" a Mexican into purchasing a corporate product. :D

When you're only trick is to call people istophobes, and when said trick worked for a long time, and when you don't have the intelectual tools to argue it's impossible not to fall back into it.

As for you misty: Suck my dick.

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Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 07:28:29 PM
Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

Yeah, I have noticed that the vilification of whites in the media is actually working. I have seen people spewing outright hate against whites, and giving examples of the "evils of whiteness" that I frankly suspect were not taken from real life, but from Hollywood. You'd be surprised how many people think that "POC" are really like those blue people in Avatar, who are so in touch with nature, and white people are of course that military industrial complex guy who wants to murder everyone, bulldoze the forest, and chop down the "Tree of Souls".   ;D

Careful, Misty and others will call you an istophobe for believing your lying eyes instead of their "trust me bro" backed "arguments".

Quote from: Reckall on July 23, 2022, 04:28:43 AM
If he is a Harper then he could be modeled on Danilo from the "Elfshadow" novels. He is a very competent Harper who masks his identity behind a foppy and buffoonish facade - not unlike Chris Pine here. It would be a remarkable but totally coherent plot twist.

If that's how it plays out, I will post a public apology to the screenwriter on this forum.

(No offense, but I doubt this'll be the case. More duhversity casting and 'make the white guy look dumb-dumb' is more likely.)

We'll have to wait and see. But I'm somewhat optimistic. They've obviously done a good job rendering the iconic D&D monsters. Let's hope the same level of care extends to the screenwriting.

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Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

Yeah, it's also a hard pass from me. There was a time when I could overlook that because there were other stuff where it balanced out, now? They can get bent.

Oh fucking puh-lease.

You all sound like the most whinny bitch racists ever right now.

This is bog standard Hollywood diversity casting thats been a thing for at least 3 iterations of SJWs trying to twist it out of shape. Theres nothing wrong with the casting other than the castings diversity is so weak kneed they went with people that at a glance you can barely tell are minorities. And one whos a minority only when the SJWs allow them to be.

They went the safest route possible and cast the whitest looking minorities they could lay hands on. Or would take the job.

As for the barbarian gal. Oh give me a fucking break. Shes a bog standard snarky amazon type. Nothing new here to get your panties in a knot over.

But no no no. Its all oh woe is me! Dem evil whammens is scarededing me!

Fuck sake the lot of you are going to make perfect little next wave SJWs.

The more I look at the trailer the more it looks like an IDW comic. And that is not a good thing.

Yes, you're right, this Maya is a white supremacist...

Or, hear me out, that's what I saw and those are my sincere opinions that have nothing to do with the characters' race but with the writting.

Or you could keep on trying to give me white guilt.

You might not be a white supremacist but you sure seem plenty racist. And don't even try and tell me Mexicans of Maya origin are not racist - I work with several, and you know I know there are plenty of racists in your part of the world. Often even more blatant than in America.

Are you actually trying to "white guilt" Mexicans now?

No, I am calling a racist a racist. No white guilt involved. Are you trying to argue only white people can be racist?

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Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

Yeah, it's also a hard pass from me. There was a time when I could overlook that because there were other stuff where it balanced out, now? They can get bent.

Oh fucking puh-lease.

You all sound like the most whinny bitch racists ever right now.

This is bog standard Hollywood diversity casting thats been a thing for at least 3 iterations of SJWs trying to twist it out of shape. Theres nothing wrong with the casting other than the castings diversity is so weak kneed they went with people that at a glance you can barely tell are minorities. And one whos a minority only when the SJWs allow them to be.

They went the safest route possible and cast the whitest looking minorities they could lay hands on. Or would take the job.

As for the barbarian gal. Oh give me a fucking break. Shes a bog standard snarky amazon type. Nothing new here to get your panties in a knot over.

But no no no. Its all oh woe is me! Dem evil whammens is scarededing me!

Fuck sake the lot of you are going to make perfect little next wave SJWs.

The more I look at the trailer the more it looks like an IDW comic. And that is not a good thing.

Yes, you're right, this Maya is a white supremacist...

Or, hear me out, that's what I saw and those are my sincere opinions that have nothing to do with the characters' race but with the writting.

Or you could keep on trying to give me white guilt.

You might not be a white supremacist but you sure seem plenty racist. And don't even try and tell me Mexicans of Maya origin are not racist - I work with several, and you know I know there are plenty of racists in your part of the world. Often even more blatant than in America.

Are you actually trying to "white guilt" Mexicans now?

No, I am calling a racist a racist. No white guilt involved. Are you trying to argue only white people can be racist?

Holy cow, you are! ;D And I'm sure your Mexican co-workers absolutely loooooove it when you try to "white guilt" them. What would be the conservative talking point? "Mexicans are the real racists?"

Good grief, there's so much "derp" in this thread! ;D

Misty, quick! Call blacks "racist" next! At the very least, call the Chinese "racist" for rejecting this D&D train wreck....since the potential Chinese market for a D&D movie is HUGE. But if the Chinese mostly refuse to watch movies with blacks or various forms of racial mystery meat in them, then you can just label them as "white-adjacent" anyway....and thus, safely denigrate them as "racist".

Right? 8)

You know what? Just start calling people "Nazis", Misty. We all know you want to. ::)

Look, chief....I'll lay this out for you again. You cannot effectively shame people or "white guilt" people into consuming a corporate product. It doesn't work. It especially doesn't work when that Hasbro whistleblower revealed that the mega-corporation that controls the Dungeons & Dragons IP (in this case, Hasbro) is covertly trying to "social engineer" (brainwash) millions of people via neo-Marxist propaganda through branding and messaging. That's what CRT is for. The whistleblower was suspended for revealing this. What a surprise. ::)

Misty, when you denigrate someone as a "racist", you're basically casting a spell. Not a D&D spell, but you're using weaponized language as a form of psychological warfare....in order to win arguments, and break people's spirit. It's a classic neo-Marxist SJW demoralization tactic, and it's not very nice. And even worse, you're doubling down on it, against those "filthy Mexican Nazi Mayan racists!" Misty, your "magic demoralization attack word" ("racist!!") is not working, and is making you look like an ethically disingenuous neo-Marxist asshole. My advice to you would be to stop doubling down.

Like I said before, the "derp" in this thread is nearly beyond belief. 8)

Finally Mistwell has found the Mayan face of White Supremacy.

Quote from: Shasarak on July 24, 2022, 05:57:27 PM
Finally Mistwell has found the Mayan face of White Supremacy.

Greetings!

HILARIOUS, Shasarak! *Laughing*

Fucking brilliant!

GeekyBugle will love this!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

  I have noticed, one of the hallmarks of serious Racism is the sin of NOTICING THINGS.  I mean if I see a rat gnawing on my toes, it is obvious hateful and vile to attempt to scare it away.  A confident secure person would just let the rat keep chewing till it ate them completely.  Damned Racists!!!

Reinforcement of "THE MESSAGE" and "PROPER REPRESENTATION" aside, I do not really see how this movie is any different than 85 percent of anything else put out in Hollywood.  I think if you have gone to watch other movies, the white guy being made a clown in this one should not seem new or be any barrier to seeing it.  It is odd though when a movie with a nostalgia vibe decides to allow the hero of the movie be a hero, like Maverick, it sure seems the paying movie going population appreciates it. 

   Only Gripe I can really voice is the Barbarian is a tiny girl who has made a career of having Resting Bitch Face.  I think putting a hulking half orc into that role (honestly male or female...but no sexy orc please) would have been a better choice even if it is a CGI RBF chick.  I think from the trailer it might actually be brainless good.  I just do laugh when people get riled over folks FINALLY noticing that hollywood is little more than propaganda, non stop....just the strength of the signal gets modulated from time to time, I should have said for 100 years and not 50. 

QuoteThat being said, though, while D&D has always included a broad range of possibilities, my impression has always been that default classic D&D is primarily (though, not exclusively) about heroic adventure in the "do-gooder" sense (not necessarily in the Greek mythology of godlike heroes, although there are elements of that as well).

Around 3,5 I guess.
In earlier versions not so much.

And TBH heroic antiheroes is well within modern heroes concept. Like Guardians of the Galaxy - and that's precisely what I expect.

Quote from: Wrath of God on July 25, 2022, 10:09:59 AM

QuoteThat being said, though, while D&D has always included a broad range of possibilities, my impression has always been that default classic D&D is primarily (though, not exclusively) about heroic adventure in the "do-gooder" sense (not necessarily in the Greek mythology of godlike heroes, although there are elements of that as well).

Around 3,5 I guess.
In earlier versions not so much.

  I'd place the change around BECMI/late 1st, myself, with the rise of things like Dragonlance, Elmore art, etc. Even Gygax seems to have grown a bit more sympathetic to it as he matured.

Quote from: oggsmash on July 25, 2022, 05:22:00 AM
  I have noticed, one of the hallmarks of serious Racism is the sin of NOTICING THINGS.  I mean if I see a rat gnawing on my toes, it is obvious hateful and vile to attempt to scare it away.  A confident secure person would just let the rat keep chewing till it ate them completely.  Damned Racists!!!

A trans person posted in a Facebook group "Anyone who doesn't think that trans women are women are assholes." I replied that labeling half of the population of America as assholes is not helpful and also off-topic for an RPG group. Apparently I'm a bigot now. One of their Admins even called me a troll.

Quote from: Wrath of God on July 25, 2022, 10:09:59 AM

QuoteThat being said, though, while D&D has always included a broad range of possibilities, my impression has always been that default classic D&D is primarily (though, not exclusively) about heroic adventure in the "do-gooder" sense (not necessarily in the Greek mythology of godlike heroes, although there are elements of that as well).

Around 3,5 I guess.
In earlier versions not so much.

And TBH heroic antiheroes is well within modern heroes concept. Like Guardians of the Galaxy - and that's precisely what I expect.

By 3e they were already starting to try to phase out alignment. And I never got an antihero vibe from ANY edition of D&D, even now, with all their edgy Tieflings and paladins that can be any alignment (assuming that you even wanna use alignment, now it's explicitly optional). And again, this isn't to say that you couldn't play such characters, because D&D has always allowed for a broad range of possible camping styles, but that isn't to say that there wasn't a implied focus in the game. And that implied focus was always about the forces of good trying to vanquish the forces of evil, with neutral characters tagging along out of a sense of self preservation (cuz evil was harmful to them as well), as well as the prospect of finding treasure along the way.

I even remember Dragon articles in the 90s explicitly saying as much, cuz people kept asking about anti-Paladins, assassins (which they phased out in 2e) and other options for evil characters. So TSR kept trying to convince people that the focus of the game was to be the good guys, with neutrals joining in out of enlightened self-interest.

And before you bring it up, yes, they eventually did some Dragon articles about anti-Paladins, but that's because people wouldn't shut up about them. And IIRC, even then they tried to convince people that these were intended for NPCs and players should instead focus on playing the good guys fighting such villainous individuals. That's why most alignment specific classes were good, like Paladins and Rangers.

Maybe it was Dragonlance, but many players think that fallen Paladins become anti-paladins or death knights, when they merely just become Lawful Good—possibly Neutral Good or Lawful Neutral—Cavaliers or Fighters (if you play 1e).

I find it hilarious that their tiefling character uses the 2e/3e design rather than the 4e/5e design. I always disliked the 4e/5e design because the horns looked too impractical for their necks to support.

I detest Tieflings, but they've been around for over 20 years now. There's not much we can do about it.

Effects and such look better than I expected, so that's a plus. However, the trailer gives me the impression that it's not the kind of movie that will interest me. Might be well done, might not be, but it doesn't look like the kind of movie I tend to enjoy, either way.

Quote from: Philotomy Jurament on July 25, 2022, 12:43:59 PM
Effects and such look better than I expected, so that's a plus. However, the trailer gives me the impression that it's not the kind of movie that will interest me. Might be well done, might not be, but it doesn't look like the kind of movie I tend to enjoy, either way.

Plus the newer D&D doesn't seem to be very medieval-looking anymore. They dress like later Renaissance if not almost modern.

Quote from: Shasarak on July 24, 2022, 05:57:27 PM
Finally Mistwell has found the Mayan face of White Supremacy.

Does this mean I'm as famous as Larry Elder or Rippa?

Quote from: Wrath of God on July 25, 2022, 10:09:59 AM

QuoteThat being said, though, while D&D has always included a broad range of possibilities, my impression has always been that default classic D&D is primarily (though, not exclusively) about heroic adventure in the "do-gooder" sense (not necessarily in the Greek mythology of godlike heroes, although there are elements of that as well).

Around 3,5 I guess.
In earlier versions not so much.

In earlier versions not so much.

When someone in my household checks it out of the local library and watches it, a year or so after it launches, I might watch part of it. But I doubt I'll stay with it long unless they catch me in a particularly dull state.  Though that says less about this particular effort and more about my general disinterest in anything Hollywood does lately.  Pair that with WotC version of the Forgotten Realms, and my expectations are that it might be mildly more entertaining than watching paint dry (depending on the color of the paint and the lighting on the wall).  ;D

Tieflings have sense in Planescape or in a campaign with a strong Planescape element (I wonder if the popularity of Annah in "Planescape: Torment" worked in their favor). I ran a multi-year campaign deeply rooted in Planescape, however, and I never used them.

Regarding evil paladins, however, I don't see why they should be "edgy". An evil god that doesn't have his own holy warriors, along with clerics, is just stupid. Don't call them "paladins" maybe, as classic chivalric literature has given the term a specific connotation, but they should be a normal thing in any manichean setting.

Quote from: Timothe on July 25, 2022, 12:40:01 PM
Maybe it was Dragonlance, but many players think that fallen Paladins become anti-paladins or death knights, when they merely just become Lawful Good—possibly Neutral Good or Lawful Neutral—Cavaliers or Fighters (if you play 1e).

Which players are these, because I don't think they know what the hell they're talking about.

Fallen paladins typically become fighters. A paladin who willfully forsakes the cause of good -may- become a blackguard/anti-paladin. It's pretty plot dependent and usually not a PC concern.

A death knight is specifically an undead fighter, cavalier, or paladin who fell from grace. A fallen paladin -might- rise as a death knight when slain, depending on circumstances.

Quote from: Timothe on July 25, 2022, 12:41:46 PM
I detest Tieflings, but they've been around for over 20 years now. There's not much we can do about it.

They were introduced almost 30 years ago. (2022-1994=28)

Just catching up to this.  I'm intrigued by the trailer; looks fine w/ the tongue in cheek that I kind of expected.  I was excited to watch the linked video from D&D Beyond to hear what Easter eggs they saw but Dear God, do these people take themselves seriously?  I made it less than two minutes into that video before I had to bail out.  Simply couldn't bear their high-pitched fangirling and simpering and knew I wasn't going to be able to take them seriously.  Obviously my first time to tune in to them and it'll be my last.

I'm hopeful the movie doesn't entirely suck.  It really shouldn't since it's gone more mainstream in acceptance/Hollywood, etc.  Call me cautiously optimistic.

Quote from: Reckall on July 25, 2022, 01:22:23 PM
Regarding evil paladins, however, I don't see why they should be "edgy". An evil god that doesn't have his own holy warriors, along with clerics, is just stupid. Don't call them "paladins" maybe, as classic chivalric literature has given the term a specific connotation, but they should be a normal thing in any manichean setting.

  And what if we reject the underlying Manicheanism of D&D? :)

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Quote from: Reckall on July 25, 2022, 01:22:23 PM
Regarding evil paladins, however, I don't see why they should be "edgy". An evil god that doesn't have his own holy warriors, along with clerics, is just stupid. Don't call them "paladins" maybe, as classic chivalric literature has given the term a specific connotation, but they should be a normal thing in any manichean setting.

  And what if we reject the underlying Manicheanism of D&D? :)

Then is such a campaign there are no evil gods, no evil clerics et. al. :)

I am not encouraged by the trailer.

Is this thing actually going to release to movie theaters?

That's their plan...

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Quote from: oggsmash on July 25, 2022, 05:22:00 AM
  I have noticed, one of the hallmarks of serious Racism is the sin of NOTICING THINGS.  I mean if I see a rat gnawing on my toes, it is obvious hateful and vile to attempt to scare it away.  A confident secure person would just let the rat keep chewing till it ate them completely.  Damned Racists!!!

A trans person posted in a Facebook group "Anyone who doesn't think that trans women are women are assholes." I replied that labeling half of the population of America as assholes is not helpful and also off-topic for an RPG group. Apparently I'm a bigot now. One of their Admins even called me a troll.

They could be assholes, but they're not wrong...

Quote from: Timothe on July 25, 2022, 12:41:46 PM
I detest Tieflings, but they've been around for over 20 years now. There's not much we can do about it.

Sure you can.  They don't exist in my campaign world.

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Quote from: Timothe on July 25, 2022, 12:41:46 PM
I detest Tieflings, but they've been around for over 20 years now. There's not much we can do about it.

Sure you can.  They don't exist in my campaign world.

The second best solution IMHO, right after my own: They exist, it just so happens they are ALL evil.

Surprised to see such a lengthy trailer for a next year debut. What's the holdup? Assuming this will only be on Netflix not theaters.

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Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 07:28:29 PM
Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

Yeah, it's also a hard pass from me. There was a time when I could overlook that because there were other stuff where it balanced out, now? They can get bent.

Oh fucking puh-lease.

You all sound like the most whinny bitch racists ever right now.

This is bog standard Hollywood diversity casting thats been a thing for at least 3 iterations of SJWs trying to twist it out of shape. Theres nothing wrong with the casting other than the castings diversity is so weak kneed they went with people that at a glance you can barely tell are minorities. And one whos a minority only when the SJWs allow them to be.

They went the safest route possible and cast the whitest looking minorities they could lay hands on. Or would take the job.

As for the barbarian gal. Oh give me a fucking break. Shes a bog standard snarky amazon type. Nothing new here to get your panties in a knot over.

But no no no. Its all oh woe is me! Dem evil whammens is scarededing me!

Fuck sake the lot of you are going to make perfect little next wave SJWs.

The more I look at the trailer the more it looks like an IDW comic. And that is not a good thing.

Yes, you're right, this Maya is a white supremacist...

Or, hear me out, that's what I saw and those are my sincere opinions that have nothing to do with the characters' race but with the writting.

Or you could keep on trying to give me white guilt.

You might not be a white supremacist but you sure seem plenty racist. And don't even try and tell me Mexicans of Maya origin are not racist - I work with several, and you know I know there are plenty of racists in your part of the world. Often even more blatant than in America.

Are you actually trying to "white guilt" Mexicans now?

No, I am calling a racist a racist. No white guilt involved. Are you trying to argue only white people can be racist?

Holy cow, you are! ;D And I'm sure your Mexican co-workers absolutely loooooove it when you try to "white guilt" them. What would be the conservative talking point? "Mexicans are the real racists?"

Good grief, there's so much "derp" in this thread! ;D

Misty, quick! Call blacks "racist" next! At the very least, call the Chinese "racist" for rejecting this D&D train wreck....since the potential Chinese market for a D&D movie is HUGE. But if the Chinese mostly refuse to watch movies with blacks or various forms of racial mystery meat in them, then you can just label them as "white-adjacent" anyway....and thus, safely denigrate them as "racist".

Right? 8)

You know what? Just start calling people "Nazis", Misty. We all know you want to. ::)

Look, chief....I'll lay this out for you again. You cannot effectively shame people or "white guilt" people into consuming a corporate product. It doesn't work. It especially doesn't work when that Hasbro whistleblower revealed that the mega-corporation that controls the Dungeons & Dragons IP (in this case, Hasbro) is covertly trying to "social engineer" (brainwash) millions of people via neo-Marxist propaganda through branding and messaging. That's what CRT is for. The whistleblower was suspended for revealing this. What a surprise. ::)

Misty, when you denigrate someone as a "racist", you're basically casting a spell. Not a D&D spell, but you're using weaponized language as a form of psychological warfare....in order to win arguments, and break people's spirit. It's a classic neo-Marxist SJW demoralization tactic, and it's not very nice. And even worse, you're doubling down on it, against those "filthy Mexican Nazi Mayan racists!" Misty, your "magic demoralization attack word" ("racist!!") is not working, and is making you look like an ethically disingenuous neo-Marxist asshole. My advice to you would be to stop doubling down.

Like I said before, the "derp" in this thread is nearly beyond belief. 8)

Are you trying to argue only white people can be racist? It's a simple question which, despite your pages of ranting, you have yet to answer.

It seems pretty faithful to 5e D&D, which I don't have an objection to. WoTC were doing weird Diversity Casting in their adventures for years, this seems to be just following that. I am a bit surprised how cheap it looks, but that may have been a deliberate decision to go with the comedy vibe and distinguish it from LOTR.

Quote from: S'mon on July 26, 2022, 03:40:36 AM
It seems pretty faithful to 5e D&D, which I don't have an objection to. WoTC were doing weird Diversity Casting in their adventures for years, this seems to be just following that. I am a bit surprised how cheap it looks, but that may have been a deliberate decision to go with the comedy vibe and distinguish it from LOTR.

If it's truly going to be faithful to 5e, I wonder if we'll see people getting taken out in fights and popping back up during the same combat after some kind of healing intervention. I also hope to see people knocked to death's door and then sleeping it all off after a long rest.

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I think that the city we see in some shots is Neverwinter, which would make sense in the 5E era.

The City is not just Neverwinter. I recognize it as the Neverwinter from the MMO. You can make out the Acquisitions Incorporated balloon in the background. I think one of the other shots is showing the Chasm from the Spellplague era.

Not sure what that big arena area is as it is not currently part of the city.

Where is this balloon?

That would make it Waterdeep, since Omin Drann is canonically a Masked Lord of Waterdeep.

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I detest Tieflings, but they've been around for over 20 years now. There's not much we can do about it.

Sure you can.  They don't exist in my campaign world.

The second best solution IMHO, right after my own: They exist, it just so happens they are ALL evil.

They would certainly work as a demonic sort of race, but I haven't had reason to include them yet.

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Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

Yeah, it's also a hard pass from me. There was a time when I could overlook that because there were other stuff where it balanced out, now? They can get bent.

Oh fucking puh-lease.

You all sound like the most whinny bitch racists ever right now.

This is bog standard Hollywood diversity casting thats been a thing for at least 3 iterations of SJWs trying to twist it out of shape. Theres nothing wrong with the casting other than the castings diversity is so weak kneed they went with people that at a glance you can barely tell are minorities. And one whos a minority only when the SJWs allow them to be.

They went the safest route possible and cast the whitest looking minorities they could lay hands on. Or would take the job.

As for the barbarian gal. Oh give me a fucking break. Shes a bog standard snarky amazon type. Nothing new here to get your panties in a knot over.

But no no no. Its all oh woe is me! Dem evil whammens is scarededing me!

Fuck sake the lot of you are going to make perfect little next wave SJWs.

The more I look at the trailer the more it looks like an IDW comic. And that is not a good thing.

Yes, you're right, this Maya is a white supremacist...

Or, hear me out, that's what I saw and those are my sincere opinions that have nothing to do with the characters' race but with the writting.

Or you could keep on trying to give me white guilt.

You might not be a white supremacist but you sure seem plenty racist. And don't even try and tell me Mexicans of Maya origin are not racist - I work with several, and you know I know there are plenty of racists in your part of the world. Often even more blatant than in America.

Are you actually trying to "white guilt" Mexicans now?

No, I am calling a racist a racist. No white guilt involved. Are you trying to argue only white people can be racist?

Holy cow, you are! ;D And I'm sure your Mexican co-workers absolutely loooooove it when you try to "white guilt" them. What would be the conservative talking point? "Mexicans are the real racists?"

Good grief, there's so much "derp" in this thread! ;D

Misty, quick! Call blacks "racist" next! At the very least, call the Chinese "racist" for rejecting this D&D train wreck....since the potential Chinese market for a D&D movie is HUGE. But if the Chinese mostly refuse to watch movies with blacks or various forms of racial mystery meat in them, then you can just label them as "white-adjacent" anyway....and thus, safely denigrate them as "racist".

Right? 8)

You know what? Just start calling people "Nazis", Misty. We all know you want to. ::)

Look, chief....I'll lay this out for you again. You cannot effectively shame people or "white guilt" people into consuming a corporate product. It doesn't work. It especially doesn't work when that Hasbro whistleblower revealed that the mega-corporation that controls the Dungeons & Dragons IP (in this case, Hasbro) is covertly trying to "social engineer" (brainwash) millions of people via neo-Marxist propaganda through branding and messaging. That's what CRT is for. The whistleblower was suspended for revealing this. What a surprise. ::)

Misty, when you denigrate someone as a "racist", you're basically casting a spell. Not a D&D spell, but you're using weaponized language as a form of psychological warfare....in order to win arguments, and break people's spirit. It's a classic neo-Marxist SJW demoralization tactic, and it's not very nice. And even worse, you're doubling down on it, against those "filthy Mexican Nazi Mayan racists!" Misty, your "magic demoralization attack word" ("racist!!") is not working, and is making you look like an ethically disingenuous neo-Marxist asshole. My advice to you would be to stop doubling down.

Like I said before, the "derp" in this thread is nearly beyond belief. 8)

Are you trying to argue only white people can be racist? It's a simple question which, despite your pages of ranting, you have yet to answer.

Oh, my God.....you're still doing it. ::)

Please. Make. It. Stop.

Misty, stop virtue signaling. Stop demanding that people submit to your neo-Marxist purity tests. It's very obnoxious. At this point, I think you know that the movie is just a giant exercise in neo-Marxist propaganda. I already discussed Hasbro covertly using CRT to "socially engineer" millions of people, and that's what this movie is for. That's the entire purpose of the creation of this D&D movie (aside from money laundering). I know you know this. So what did you do?

You tried to "white guilt" Mexicans about their "racism". And then you doubled down, like a pit bull in heat....and you still won't stop. Doubling down? Hell, you're even tripling down. ::)

And no, it's NOT a simple question. When you keep autistically repeating this:

Quote from: MistwellAre you trying to argue only white people can be racist?

That "question" you "asked" is not really a question, and we both know it. Just because you put a question mark at the end of your sentence doesn't mean that you're actually asking a question. You're being deliberately ethically disingenuous by using a slur ("racist!!"), under the guise of a question. You think I'm unaware of what you're really doing? I know exactly what you're doing, Misty, and I would suggest that you stop doing it.

When you call someone "racist", you are a using a SLUR, and you know it. You're intentionally using a term of denigration. You are using a demoralization tactic. In other words, you're engaging in psychological warfare. This is like a "socially acceptable" way of calling someone the "n-word" (while just "asking a simple question!" ::) ), and the only reason why it's "socially acceptable", is because westerners have been subject to intense neo-Marxist psychological warfare every single day for years. This psychological warfare is sometimes called "social justice", but I think the term is meant to be ironic.

And again, the weaponized use of the word, "racist", is like casting a spell, or using a curse against your opponent......for the purpose of crushing your target's morale. What you're doing is REPEATING THE MAGIC WORD OVER AND OVER AGAIN, so you can feign having the moral high ground......which we both know that you do not truly have. 8)

So yes, Misty, I did answer your so-called "question", but you just didn't like the answer. ;)

I'll watch it.  I'll probably enjoy it.  Same as I watched and enjoyed the first two D&D movies.  Or Flash Gordon (with soundtrack by Queen). 

I have low movie standards, it doesn't take a lot for my imagination to take over and fill holes opened by bad scripts or cinematography.

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And WTF is their obsession with thieves? Weren't the characters from the other D&D film also thieves? Why can't the leader of a generic AF D&D film ever be a paladin? Not my favorite class, but if you're gonna go generic why not portray a champion of justice leading a band of brave heroes undertaking a daring quest to save the land from evil? And then have the thief be an opportunistic tagalong, like it usually is in classic D&D? Why must the centerpiece be thieves? Has anyone here ever played a game where the party lead was actually a thief? And if you actually have, how often did that happen compared to any other D&D campaign you ever ran into?

It's an easy way to make a group of 3-6 characters going off and doing something alone make sense in an epic fantasy world. Movies have a different style of verisimilitude than a TTRPG.

If you want the premise to be epic - you need some sort of excuse that a small group of characters are doing the important parts rather than massive armies.

In modern day movies they usually go with spies or the anti-hero con-man variant. (Ex: Mission Impossible.) In fantasy stories they go with thieves.

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And WTF is their obsession with thieves? Weren't the characters from the other D&D film also thieves? Why can't the leader of a generic AF D&D film ever be a paladin? Not my favorite class, but if you're gonna go generic why not portray a champion of justice leading a band of brave heroes undertaking a daring quest to save the land from evil? And then have the thief be an opportunistic tagalong, like it usually is in classic D&D? Why must the centerpiece be thieves? Has anyone here ever played a game where the party lead was actually a thief? And if you actually have, how often did that happen compared to any other D&D campaign you ever ran into?

It's an easy way to make a group of 3-6 characters going off and doing something alone make sense in an epic fantasy world. Movies have a different style of verisimilitude than a TTRPG.

If you want the premise to be epic - you need some sort of excuse that a small group of adventurers is doing the important parts rather than massive fantasy armies.

I remember a funny piece, from back in the day, that described any group of PCs as "people who enter a dungeon, brutalise its dwellers and come back with their treasure" (this when pieces like this were meant to be funny, not part of a lecture). So, D&D is its most classic meaning can be seen as the adventures of a group of thieves even if there is no "Thief" in the party. Add the "we stole the wrong object for the wrong person" trope you see here (another staple of D&D) and I get the vibes I already mentioned: the portrayal of people rolling dice and having fun.

For some reason, the scene where a character "heroically" attacks a dragon alone reminds me of those moments when a 3rd level character says: "I attack the dragon!" "Uh... You have to roll a natural 20 to hit the VERY ANCIENT dra..." "This is my lucky die! (kisses it) Banzai!"

Maybe the scene will turn out to be something different but I would be disappointed. Anyway, I would have written it also as "how the character sees himself" - another classic.

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I detest Tieflings, but they've been around for over 20 years now. There's not much we can do about it.

Sure you can.  They don't exist in my campaign world.

The second best solution IMHO, right after my own: They exist, it just so happens they are ALL evil.

They would certainly work as a demonic sort of race, but I haven't had reason to include them yet.

In one of the settings I work on (a thinly-veiled expy of Arda), I reflavored all the PC races to be "demikind." Basically the equivalent of Star Trek's rubber forehead aliens. They all look like humans in cheaper makeup or camera tricks. Other humanoids that look more extreme are monsters and there's racial tensions between the pretty demikind and the ugly humanoids.

Tieflings and dragonborn in my setting can pass for human very easily. The tieflings only have minor demonic features like horns or tails or whatever that are usually easy to conceal. The dragonborns are similar, like the dragonblooded human characters in the later Dragonheart movies: they may have patches of scales on their bodies or something along those lines that is easy to conceal.

In the backstory of the setting, it's very similar to Arda where Not!Lucifer tried to take over the world and bred a variety of slave races to do so. The tieflings and dragonborn were among those races but were considered failures because they were too difficult to control. They were later freed from bondage and joined the alliance of free peoples, so they don't experience any more discrimination than other demikind do. In the cursed lands of Gothmor (the Mordor expy), there are still cultures of upper-class tieflings and dragonborns who worship the dark lord (comparable to the Black Numenoreans).

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I detest Tieflings, but they've been around for over 20 years now. There's not much we can do about it.

Sure you can.  They don't exist in my campaign world.

Mine either. In 1e they are monster Alu-Demons or Cambions, not Player Characters.

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And WTF is their obsession with thieves? Weren't the characters from the other D&D film also thieves? Why can't the leader of a generic AF D&D film ever be a paladin? Not my favorite class, but if you're gonna go generic why not portray a champion of justice leading a band of brave heroes undertaking a daring quest to save the land from evil? And then have the thief be an opportunistic tagalong, like it usually is in classic D&D? Why must the centerpiece be thieves? Has anyone here ever played a game where the party lead was actually a thief? And if you actually have, how often did that happen compared to any other D&D campaign you ever ran into?

It's an easy way to make a group of 3-6 characters going off and doing something alone make sense in an epic fantasy world. Movies have a different style of verisimilitude than a TTRPG.

If you want the premise to be epic - you need some sort of excuse that a small group of adventurers is doing the important parts rather than massive fantasy armies.

I remember a funny piece, from back in the day, that described any group of PCs as "people who enter a dungeon, brutalise its dwellers and come back with their treasure" (this when pieces like this were meant to be funny, not part of a lecture). So, D&D is its most classic meaning can be seen as the adventures of a group of thieves even if there is no "Thief" in the party. Add the "we stole the wrong object for the wrong person" trope you see here (another staple of D&D) and I get the vibes I already mentioned: the portrayal of people rolling dice and having fun.

For some reason, the scene where a character "heroically" attacks a dragon alone reminds me of those moments when a 3rd level character says: "I attack the dragon!" "Uh... You have to roll a natural 20 to hit the VERY ANCIENT dra..." "This is my lucky die! (kisses it) Banzai!"

Maybe the scene will turn out to be something different but I would be disappointed. Anyway, I would have written it also as "how the character sees himself" - another classic.

I tried to address this to some extent or another in various posts, but while the game may allow or even unwittingly encourage such play styles in practice there's a difference between what players might do in actual play and what the implied thematic focus of the game is, as well as what's a marketable story or what makes sense or would work best from the point of view of writing a good story, as opposed to players doing a bunch of random shit at the table in between eating snack or poking fun at each other. Players (usually) aren't professional actors or authors, and they're not trying to write a good story or acting out a theatrical play. They're playing a game and whatever story arises from their game play is going to be haphazard and purely incidental.

When making a movie about D&D or writing a script for said movie the focus shouldn't be what players do in an actual game session (which would be boring AF for anyone not taking part of play), but telling a story that thematically aligns with the implicit focus of the game. And while there might be much looting going on in a typical D&D session the underlying incentive or excuse for going to whatever place the PCs end up looting stuff in a classic D&D adventure is usually some danger that needs to be addressed, such as rescuing some kidnapped villagers, investigating some disappearances that have been talking place near an abandoned crypt, stopping a band of bandits that have been terrorizing a town, etc. All of this implies that PCs in a typical D&D game are supposed to be heroes in a dogooder sense, and that looting is secondary to the implied focus of the game.

Coming from this perspective, and taking into account that this is a movie, not a game session we're actually participating on, I think that characters in a D&D film—or at least the leaders of such a band—should be portrayed as heroes undertaking dangerous quests to vanquish evil as their primary motivation, while more mercenary characters motivated by wealth should be tagalongs recruited by the main hero, rather than everyone in the group being a band of thieves that incidentally end up trying to vanquish evil. And that the tone should be serious, rather than having characters constantly poke snarky fun at each other cuz that's what players who're not professional actors or authors would do at a table while playing a game that's not really a coherent story with audiences watching at a big screen.

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It seems pretty faithful to 5e D&D, which I don't have an objection to. WoTC were doing weird Diversity Casting in their adventures for years, this seems to be just following that. I am a bit surprised how cheap it looks, but that may have been a deliberate decision to go with the comedy vibe and distinguish it from LOTR.

I'm not sure "cheap" is the right word. It looks gaudy, which is 99% of all 5e artwork. My guess is it's intentional.

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Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

Yeah, it's also a hard pass from me. There was a time when I could overlook that because there were other stuff where it balanced out, now? They can get bent.

Oh fucking puh-lease.

You all sound like the most whinny bitch racists ever right now.

This is bog standard Hollywood diversity casting thats been a thing for at least 3 iterations of SJWs trying to twist it out of shape. Theres nothing wrong with the casting other than the castings diversity is so weak kneed they went with people that at a glance you can barely tell are minorities. And one whos a minority only when the SJWs allow them to be.

They went the safest route possible and cast the whitest looking minorities they could lay hands on. Or would take the job.

As for the barbarian gal. Oh give me a fucking break. Shes a bog standard snarky amazon type. Nothing new here to get your panties in a knot over.

But no no no. Its all oh woe is me! Dem evil whammens is scarededing me!

Fuck sake the lot of you are going to make perfect little next wave SJWs.

The more I look at the trailer the more it looks like an IDW comic. And that is not a good thing.

Yes, you're right, this Maya is a white supremacist...

Or, hear me out, that's what I saw and those are my sincere opinions that have nothing to do with the characters' race but with the writting.

Or you could keep on trying to give me white guilt.

You might not be a white supremacist but you sure seem plenty racist. And don't even try and tell me Mexicans of Maya origin are not racist - I work with several, and you know I know there are plenty of racists in your part of the world. Often even more blatant than in America.

Are you actually trying to "white guilt" Mexicans now?

No, I am calling a racist a racist. No white guilt involved. Are you trying to argue only white people can be racist?

Holy cow, you are! ;D And I'm sure your Mexican co-workers absolutely loooooove it when you try to "white guilt" them. What would be the conservative talking point? "Mexicans are the real racists?"

Good grief, there's so much "derp" in this thread! ;D

Misty, quick! Call blacks "racist" next! At the very least, call the Chinese "racist" for rejecting this D&D train wreck....since the potential Chinese market for a D&D movie is HUGE. But if the Chinese mostly refuse to watch movies with blacks or various forms of racial mystery meat in them, then you can just label them as "white-adjacent" anyway....and thus, safely denigrate them as "racist".

Right? 8)

You know what? Just start calling people "Nazis", Misty. We all know you want to. ::)

Look, chief....I'll lay this out for you again. You cannot effectively shame people or "white guilt" people into consuming a corporate product. It doesn't work. It especially doesn't work when that Hasbro whistleblower revealed that the mega-corporation that controls the Dungeons & Dragons IP (in this case, Hasbro) is covertly trying to "social engineer" (brainwash) millions of people via neo-Marxist propaganda through branding and messaging. That's what CRT is for. The whistleblower was suspended for revealing this. What a surprise. ::)

Misty, when you denigrate someone as a "racist", you're basically casting a spell. Not a D&D spell, but you're using weaponized language as a form of psychological warfare....in order to win arguments, and break people's spirit. It's a classic neo-Marxist SJW demoralization tactic, and it's not very nice. And even worse, you're doubling down on it, against those "filthy Mexican Nazi Mayan racists!" Misty, your "magic demoralization attack word" ("racist!!") is not working, and is making you look like an ethically disingenuous neo-Marxist asshole. My advice to you would be to stop doubling down.

Like I said before, the "derp" in this thread is nearly beyond belief. 8)

Are you trying to argue only white people can be racist? It's a simple question which, despite your pages of ranting, you have yet to answer.

Oh, my God.....you're still doing it. ::)

Please. Make. It. Stop.

Misty, stop virtue signaling. Stop demanding that people submit to your neo-Marxist purity tests. It's very obnoxious. At this point, I think you know that the movie is just a giant exercise in neo-Marxist propaganda. I already discussed Hasbro covertly using CRT to "socially engineer" millions of people, and that's what this movie is for. That's the entire purpose of the creation of this D&D movie (aside from money laundering). I know you know this. So what did you do?

You tried to "white guilt" Mexicans about their "racism". And then you doubled down, like a pit bull in heat....and you still won't stop. Doubling down? Hell, you're even tripling down. ::)

And no, it's NOT a simple question. When you keep autistically repeating this:

Quote from: MistwellAre you trying to argue only white people can be racist?

That "question" you "asked" is not really a question, and we both know it. Just because you put a question mark at the end of your sentence doesn't mean that you're actually asking a question. You're being deliberately ethically disingenuous by using a slur ("racist!!"), under the guise of a question. You think I'm unaware of what you're really doing? I know exactly what you're doing, Misty, and I would suggest that you stop doing it.

When you call someone "racist", you are a using a SLUR, and you know it. You're intentionally using a term of denigration. You are using a demoralization tactic. In other words, you're engaging in psychological warfare. This is like a "socially acceptable" way of calling someone the "n-word" (while just "asking a simple question!" ::) ), and the only reason why it's "socially acceptable", is because westerners have been subject to intense neo-Marxist psychological warfare every single day for years. This psychological warfare is sometimes called "social justice", but I think the term is meant to be ironic.

And again, the weaponized use of the word, "racist", is like casting a spell, or using a curse against your opponent......for the purpose of crushing your target's morale. What you're doing is REPEATING THE MAGIC WORD OVER AND OVER AGAIN, so you can feign having the moral high ground......which we both know that you do not truly have. 8)

So yes, Misty, I did answer your so-called "question", but you just didn't like the answer. ;)

You're still distracting and ducking and strawmanning and doing everything you can to avoid answering the question. And yes, it is in fact a simple question. Do you think non-white people can be racist? It's a yes or no answer. I don't think anyone else here would have trouble answering that question including the guy we're talking about. I think we all agree of course non-white people can be racist. All except you, who is avoiding answering it like it's some trick. I guess because you feel guilty or something? Or maybe you're just an idiot.

And yes, calling someone a racist IS INTENDED AS AN INSULT. I have no idea why you think you're making some great point by mentioning that? I am saying he is a racist, and I absolutely mean that as an insult. Because being a racist, which he is, is not a good thing. And I am calling him that not-good-thing with intent. Not because it's false, but because it's true. And he should feel insulted by it. And maybe, yah know, stop being such a fucking racist?

And no, insulting someone by accurately calling them a racist is not "psychological warfare" you idiotic drama queen. Welcome to TheRPGSite. In case you were not aware, insulting people around here is not "psychological warfare," it is rather a day of the week ending in the letters "ay." And our insults tend to be best when they're accurate - like mine was and is. Much like calling you an idiot. Which you are.

I am signaling nothing by calling a racist a racist. It's the same signal I'd be sending if I called an idiot like you an idiot. There is no guilt, white or otherwise, involved in my calling that racist a racist. Just as there is no guilt involved in my calling you an idiot for being an idiot.

So yes, him arguing the movie is bad because it's not white enough for him is a racist statement. It doesn't matter what the color of his skin is, or his geographic or social or ethnic or religious background. It's still a racist thing to say regardless of those factors. And if you still think he can't be a racist because he's non-white, then you might be even more an idiot that you're coming across as in this thread. But I doubt you think that - I think you know damn well a non-white person can be a racist, and that he is a racist, and you'd rather not directly discuss those topics.

Also, this movie is likely to make a boatload of money, and that is the #1, #2 and #3 reasons for them making this movie. Your nonsense conspiracy theory that it's for Marxist propaganda and money laundering is just more evidence you're a fucking idiot.

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Does anyone fancy a pint?

 :o You all are trying to hypnotize me through quoting these concentric rectangles!

I won't give in! The trailer looks like shit! I will not try green eggs and ham!  >:(

(And yes, I too absolutely loved 1980 Flash Gordon movie.  ;D But that was a labor of love and devotion to source 4-color comic material. I cannot imagine that sort of love and devotion in our flakey and lazy contemporary popular society.  :'( I don't think the youngins being hired can hack it.)

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I tried to address this to some extent or another in various posts, but while the game may allow or even unwittingly encourage such play styles in practice there's a difference between what players might do in actual play and what the implied thematic focus of the game is, as well as what's a marketable story or what makes sense or would work best from the point of view of writing a good story, as opposed to players doing a bunch of random shit at the table in between eating snack or poking fun at each other. Players (usually) aren't professional actors or authors, and they're not trying to write a good story or acting out a theatrical play. They're playing a game and whatever story arises from their game play is going to be haphazard and purely incidental.

I disagree with the last statement, as I could take parts from long running D&D campaign or whole adventures from my current Call of Cthulhu one and turn them into perfectly serious stories (we are actually planning to turn one from CoC into a graphic novel). Maybe that since the late '90s my players mostly work in the comic book sector helps but I can easily think of examples from RPGs I played before.

And I agree that seriousness and D&D are not mutually exclusive. I have always maintained that for 3E to come out along with "The Lord of the Rings" movies was a stroke of luck (I lost count at the time of the number of female players who were playing a male elf ranger...) The very reason why, personally, I like 3E Forgotten Realms the most is because they are written like a historical setting.

Yet, that's one approach to storytelling. If you want to be closer to the goofiness endemic to a group of players around a table then there are other cinematic approaches. "Guardians of the Galaxy" is directly quoted as an inspiration (and GotG has seriously dramatic moments). "Big Trouble in Little China" is another. The stories about the early life of Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser (a direct influence on D&D) show the two in a state of arrested adolescence, with drinking, feasting, wenching, brawling, stealing, and gambling as their main occupation (so, in a way, this movie is even more mature that that). And the list could go on.

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When making a movie about D&D or writing a script for said movie the focus shouldn't be what players do in an actual game session (which would be boring AF for anyone not taking part of play), but telling a story that thematically aligns with the implicit focus of the game. And while there might be much looting going on in a typical D&D session the underlying incentive or excuse for going to whatever place the PCs end up looting stuff in a classic D&D adventure is usually some danger that needs to be addressed.

I'm losing you here, as this is what the trailer implies about the plot. The group is tasked to retrieve some artifact (specifically "steal it"), they get it only to discover that it ends up in the hands of some powerful evil dude, they have to fix the mess. This is sheer D&D. As many have pointed out, Chris Pine sports a Harper's pin so he is a do gooder (Harpers mostly exist fix messes outside and above the law).

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Coming from this perspective, and taking into account that this is a movie, not a game session we're actually participating on, I think that characters in a D&D film—or at least the leaders of such a band—should be portrayed as heroes undertaking dangerous quests to vanquish evil as their primary motivation, while more mercenary characters motivated by wealth should be tagalongs recruited by the main hero, rather than everyone in the group being a band of thieves that incidentally end up trying to vanquish evil. And that the tone should be serious, rather than having characters constantly poke snarky fun at each other cuz that's what players who're not professional actors or authors would do at a table while playing a game that's not really a coherent story with audiences watching at a big screen.

This is how you see a D&D session or campaign and it is a perfectly fine approach. Just don't assume that it is the only one. And if they give us enough moments where we can say "yeah, I saw that in my games" without losing the cinematic language, all the better.

In a recent CoC session a player was about to explain his plan when he noticed that another player was fiddling with his phone (a crime at my table). So he told him:

"Look into my eyes! What I was saying?"
"I don't know..."
"Because I was saying nothing! Pay attention! PAY ATTENTION!"

...And this is a dialogue I would use 1:1 in a movie.

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Does anyone fancy a pint?

As long as it's not this "hazy IPA" bullshit. The goal of making good beer is to REMOVE the stuff they're calling "hazy" and who intentionally makes their beer bitter by adding more hops? Give me an Imperial Stout any day and I'm in :)

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Does anyone fancy a pint?

As long as it's not this "hazy IPA" bullshit. The goal of making good bear is to REMOVE the stuff they're calling "hazy" and who intentionally makes their beer bitter by adding more hops? Give me an Imperial Stout any day and I'm in :)

WTF?!? IPAs are delicious—the greatest alcoholic beverage ever invented! The more hops the better. Imperial IPAs > Imperial Stouts any day of the week.  >:(

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Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

Yeah, it's also a hard pass from me. There was a time when I could overlook that because there were other stuff where it balanced out, now? They can get bent.

Oh fucking puh-lease.

You all sound like the most whinny bitch racists ever right now.

This is bog standard Hollywood diversity casting thats been a thing for at least 3 iterations of SJWs trying to twist it out of shape. Theres nothing wrong with the casting other than the castings diversity is so weak kneed they went with people that at a glance you can barely tell are minorities. And one whos a minority only when the SJWs allow them to be.

They went the safest route possible and cast the whitest looking minorities they could lay hands on. Or would take the job.

As for the barbarian gal. Oh give me a fucking break. Shes a bog standard snarky amazon type. Nothing new here to get your panties in a knot over.

But no no no. Its all oh woe is me! Dem evil whammens is scarededing me!

Fuck sake the lot of you are going to make perfect little next wave SJWs.

The more I look at the trailer the more it looks like an IDW comic. And that is not a good thing.

Yes, you're right, this Maya is a white supremacist...

Or, hear me out, that's what I saw and those are my sincere opinions that have nothing to do with the characters' race but with the writting.

Or you could keep on trying to give me white guilt.

You might not be a white supremacist but you sure seem plenty racist. And don't even try and tell me Mexicans of Maya origin are not racist - I work with several, and you know I know there are plenty of racists in your part of the world. Often even more blatant than in America.

Are you actually trying to "white guilt" Mexicans now?

No, I am calling a racist a racist. No white guilt involved. Are you trying to argue only white people can be racist?

Holy cow, you are! ;D And I'm sure your Mexican co-workers absolutely loooooove it when you try to "white guilt" them. What would be the conservative talking point? "Mexicans are the real racists?"

Good grief, there's so much "derp" in this thread! ;D

Misty, quick! Call blacks "racist" next! At the very least, call the Chinese "racist" for rejecting this D&D train wreck....since the potential Chinese market for a D&D movie is HUGE. But if the Chinese mostly refuse to watch movies with blacks or various forms of racial mystery meat in them, then you can just label them as "white-adjacent" anyway....and thus, safely denigrate them as "racist".

Right? 8)

You know what? Just start calling people "Nazis", Misty. We all know you want to. ::)

Look, chief....I'll lay this out for you again. You cannot effectively shame people or "white guilt" people into consuming a corporate product. It doesn't work. It especially doesn't work when that Hasbro whistleblower revealed that the mega-corporation that controls the Dungeons & Dragons IP (in this case, Hasbro) is covertly trying to "social engineer" (brainwash) millions of people via neo-Marxist propaganda through branding and messaging. That's what CRT is for. The whistleblower was suspended for revealing this. What a surprise. ::)

Misty, when you denigrate someone as a "racist", you're basically casting a spell. Not a D&D spell, but you're using weaponized language as a form of psychological warfare....in order to win arguments, and break people's spirit. It's a classic neo-Marxist SJW demoralization tactic, and it's not very nice. And even worse, you're doubling down on it, against those "filthy Mexican Nazi Mayan racists!" Misty, your "magic demoralization attack word" ("racist!!") is not working, and is making you look like an ethically disingenuous neo-Marxist asshole. My advice to you would be to stop doubling down.

Like I said before, the "derp" in this thread is nearly beyond belief. 8)

Are you trying to argue only white people can be racist? It's a simple question which, despite your pages of ranting, you have yet to answer.

Oh, my God.....you're still doing it. ::)

Please. Make. It. Stop.

Misty, stop virtue signaling. Stop demanding that people submit to your neo-Marxist purity tests. It's very obnoxious. At this point, I think you know that the movie is just a giant exercise in neo-Marxist propaganda. I already discussed Hasbro covertly using CRT to "socially engineer" millions of people, and that's what this movie is for. That's the entire purpose of the creation of this D&D movie (aside from money laundering). I know you know this. So what did you do?

You tried to "white guilt" Mexicans about their "racism". And then you doubled down, like a pit bull in heat....and you still won't stop. Doubling down? Hell, you're even tripling down. ::)

And no, it's NOT a simple question. When you keep autistically repeating this:

Quote from: MistwellAre you trying to argue only white people can be racist?

That "question" you "asked" is not really a question, and we both know it. Just because you put a question mark at the end of your sentence doesn't mean that you're actually asking a question. You're being deliberately ethically disingenuous by using a slur ("racist!!"), under the guise of a question. You think I'm unaware of what you're really doing? I know exactly what you're doing, Misty, and I would suggest that you stop doing it.

When you call someone "racist", you are a using a SLUR, and you know it. You're intentionally using a term of denigration. You are using a demoralization tactic. In other words, you're engaging in psychological warfare. This is like a "socially acceptable" way of calling someone the "n-word" (while just "asking a simple question!" ::) ), and the only reason why it's "socially acceptable", is because westerners have been subject to intense neo-Marxist psychological warfare every single day for years. This psychological warfare is sometimes called "social justice", but I think the term is meant to be ironic.

And again, the weaponized use of the word, "racist", is like casting a spell, or using a curse against your opponent......for the purpose of crushing your target's morale. What you're doing is REPEATING THE MAGIC WORD OVER AND OVER AGAIN, so you can feign having the moral high ground......which we both know that you do not truly have. 8)

So yes, Misty, I did answer your so-called "question", but you just didn't like the answer. ;)

You're still distracting and ducking and strawmanning and doing everything you can to avoid answering the question. And yes, it is in fact a simple question. Do you think non-white people can be racist? It's a yes or no answer. I don't think anyone else here would have trouble answering that question including the guy we're talking about. I think we all agree of course non-white people can be racist. All except you, who is avoiding answering it like it's some trick. I guess because you feel guilty or something? Or maybe you're just an idiot.

And yes, calling someone a racist IS INTENDED AS AN INSULT. I have no idea why you think you're making some great point by mentioning that? I am saying he is a racist, and I absolutely mean that as an insult. Because being a racist, which he is, is not a good thing. And I am calling him that not-good-thing with intent. Not because it's false, but because it's true. And he should feel insulted by it. And maybe, yah know, stop being such a fucking racist?

And no, insulting someone by accurately calling them a racist is not "psychological warfare" you idiotic drama queen. Welcome to TheRPGSite. In case you were not aware, insulting people around here is not "psychological warfare," it is rather a day of the week ending in the letters "ay." And our insults tend to be best when they're accurate - like mine was and is. Much like calling you an idiot. Which you are.

I am signaling nothing by calling a racist a racist. It's the same signal I'd be sending if I called an idiot like you an idiot. There is no guilt, white or otherwise, involved in my calling that racist a racist. Just as there is no guilt involved in my calling you an idiot for being an idiot.

So yes, him arguing the movie is bad because it's not white enough for him is a racist statement. It doesn't matter what the color of his skin is, or his geographic or social or ethnic or religious background. It's still a racist thing to say regardless of those factors. And if you still think he can't be a racist because he's non-white, then you might be even more an idiot that you're coming across as in this thread. But I doubt you think that - I think you know damn well a non-white person can be a racist, and that he is a racist, and you'd rather not directly discuss those topics.

Also, this movie is likely to make a boatload of money, and that is the #1, #2 and #3 reasons for them making this movie. Your nonsense conspiracy theory that it's for Marxist propaganda and money laundering is just more evidence you're a fucking idiot.

You're still doing it. ;D

You didn't ask a question, Misty. You engaged in a line of attack, under the guise of a question. You launched an insult, under the guise of a question. You used a blatant neo-Marxist demoralization tactic, UNDER THE GUISE OF A QUESTION. ::)

You're not really here to discuss tabletop RPGs, are you, Misty? You don't seem interested in discussing D&D or the D&D movie. You only seem to care about pushing your precious "narrative". That's a shame.

But thank you for letting the mask slip a little, and for admitting that denigrating someone as a 'racist' is intended to be an INSULT. Well, if you insult a group or a person over and over and over and over again, then that's a demoralization tactic, Misty. That's psychological warfare.

I know you know this. We both know it. Why pretend otherwise? 8)

And by the way, you deliberately ignored what I said about Hasbro suspending that whistleblower for revealing their covert attempts at pushing CRT ("Critical Race Theory") propaganda through branding and messaging on children. I had a feeling you'd ignore it. ::) The whistleblower was black (which makes this funnier), and there are millions of people who resent being the targets of "social engineering", which is another term for BRAINWASHING. Well, why would a giant mega-corporation HIDE the fact that they're using propaganda against their customers, unless they were doing something evil? And yes, covertly pushing CRT propaganda to demoralize whites into believing they're all a bunch of filthy racists....is EVIL.

Again, Hasbro is the same company that utilized Chinese slave labor, the same company that manufactured and sold a pedo doll, the same company that had a bunch of PEDOPHILES in positions of influence and power in their Magic the Gathering Tournaments. And now Hasbro pushes weaponized CRT propaganda in their movie. Their precious little D&D movie is a delivery device for weaponized propaganda against the "racists". And who's a "racist"? A "racist" is anyone who rejects the "Narrative". You know what the so-called "Narrative" is, Misty, don'tcha? Of course you do, since you've been pushing it non-stop in this thread. ::)

If the movie fails, and people reject their precious anti-white "anti-racism" propaganda, then you can comfortably denigrate entire groups of people as "racist" for refusing to consume a corporate product. Of course, it might not "fail", since making money is NOT the primary goal of Hollywood ("Pedowood") any more. And besides, the men who control the banks control Pedowood, so they can just bail it out with a nearly endless amount of fiat currency. Or they can just do "ghost screenings" like they did for the "Captain Marvel" movie. Right? 8)

But that's ok, Misty. Keep insulting Mexicans as "racist" for refusing to watch the D&D movie. I'm sure that insulting Mexicans will make them want to watch the D&D movie so very much. But if that doesn't work, maybe you can insult blacks, whites, and Chinese as "racist"....and they'll be so ashamed of their "racism", that they'll rush out in droves to watch the movie.....as a form of penance. What a marketing strategy, right? ;D

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Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

Yeah, it's also a hard pass from me. There was a time when I could overlook that because there were other stuff where it balanced out, now? They can get bent.

Oh fucking puh-lease.

You all sound like the most whinny bitch racists ever right now.

This is bog standard Hollywood diversity casting thats been a thing for at least 3 iterations of SJWs trying to twist it out of shape. Theres nothing wrong with the casting other than the castings diversity is so weak kneed they went with people that at a glance you can barely tell are minorities. And one whos a minority only when the SJWs allow them to be.

They went the safest route possible and cast the whitest looking minorities they could lay hands on. Or would take the job.

As for the barbarian gal. Oh give me a fucking break. Shes a bog standard snarky amazon type. Nothing new here to get your panties in a knot over.

But no no no. Its all oh woe is me! Dem evil whammens is scarededing me!

Fuck sake the lot of you are going to make perfect little next wave SJWs.

The more I look at the trailer the more it looks like an IDW comic. And that is not a good thing.

Yes, you're right, this Maya is a white supremacist...

Or, hear me out, that's what I saw and those are my sincere opinions that have nothing to do with the characters' race but with the writting.

Or you could keep on trying to give me white guilt.

You might not be a white supremacist but you sure seem plenty racist. And don't even try and tell me Mexicans of Maya origin are not racist - I work with several, and you know I know there are plenty of racists in your part of the world. Often even more blatant than in America.

Are you actually trying to "white guilt" Mexicans now?

No, I am calling a racist a racist. No white guilt involved. Are you trying to argue only white people can be racist?

Holy cow, you are! ;D And I'm sure your Mexican co-workers absolutely loooooove it when you try to "white guilt" them. What would be the conservative talking point? "Mexicans are the real racists?"

Good grief, there's so much "derp" in this thread! ;D

Misty, quick! Call blacks "racist" next! At the very least, call the Chinese "racist" for rejecting this D&D train wreck....since the potential Chinese market for a D&D movie is HUGE. But if the Chinese mostly refuse to watch movies with blacks or various forms of racial mystery meat in them, then you can just label them as "white-adjacent" anyway....and thus, safely denigrate them as "racist".

Right? 8)

You know what? Just start calling people "Nazis", Misty. We all know you want to. ::)

Look, chief....I'll lay this out for you again. You cannot effectively shame people or "white guilt" people into consuming a corporate product. It doesn't work. It especially doesn't work when that Hasbro whistleblower revealed that the mega-corporation that controls the Dungeons & Dragons IP (in this case, Hasbro) is covertly trying to "social engineer" (brainwash) millions of people via neo-Marxist propaganda through branding and messaging. That's what CRT is for. The whistleblower was suspended for revealing this. What a surprise. ::)

Misty, when you denigrate someone as a "racist", you're basically casting a spell. Not a D&D spell, but you're using weaponized language as a form of psychological warfare....in order to win arguments, and break people's spirit. It's a classic neo-Marxist SJW demoralization tactic, and it's not very nice. And even worse, you're doubling down on it, against those "filthy Mexican Nazi Mayan racists!" Misty, your "magic demoralization attack word" ("racist!!") is not working, and is making you look like an ethically disingenuous neo-Marxist asshole. My advice to you would be to stop doubling down.

Like I said before, the "derp" in this thread is nearly beyond belief. 8)

Are you trying to argue only white people can be racist? It's a simple question which, despite your pages of ranting, you have yet to answer.

Oh, my God.....you're still doing it. ::)

Please. Make. It. Stop.

Misty, stop virtue signaling. Stop demanding that people submit to your neo-Marxist purity tests. It's very obnoxious. At this point, I think you know that the movie is just a giant exercise in neo-Marxist propaganda. I already discussed Hasbro covertly using CRT to "socially engineer" millions of people, and that's what this movie is for. That's the entire purpose of the creation of this D&D movie (aside from money laundering). I know you know this. So what did you do?

You tried to "white guilt" Mexicans about their "racism". And then you doubled down, like a pit bull in heat....and you still won't stop. Doubling down? Hell, you're even tripling down. ::)

And no, it's NOT a simple question. When you keep autistically repeating this:

Quote from: MistwellAre you trying to argue only white people can be racist?

That "question" you "asked" is not really a question, and we both know it. Just because you put a question mark at the end of your sentence doesn't mean that you're actually asking a question. You're being deliberately ethically disingenuous by using a slur ("racist!!"), under the guise of a question. You think I'm unaware of what you're really doing? I know exactly what you're doing, Misty, and I would suggest that you stop doing it.

When you call someone "racist", you are a using a SLUR, and you know it. You're intentionally using a term of denigration. You are using a demoralization tactic. In other words, you're engaging in psychological warfare. This is like a "socially acceptable" way of calling someone the "n-word" (while just "asking a simple question!" ::) ), and the only reason why it's "socially acceptable", is because westerners have been subject to intense neo-Marxist psychological warfare every single day for years. This psychological warfare is sometimes called "social justice", but I think the term is meant to be ironic.

And again, the weaponized use of the word, "racist", is like casting a spell, or using a curse against your opponent......for the purpose of crushing your target's morale. What you're doing is REPEATING THE MAGIC WORD OVER AND OVER AGAIN, so you can feign having the moral high ground......which we both know that you do not truly have. 8)

So yes, Misty, I did answer your so-called "question", but you just didn't like the answer. ;)

You're still distracting and ducking and strawmanning and doing everything you can to avoid answering the question. And yes, it is in fact a simple question. Do you think non-white people can be racist? It's a yes or no answer. I don't think anyone else here would have trouble answering that question including the guy we're talking about. I think we all agree of course non-white people can be racist. All except you, who is avoiding answering it like it's some trick. I guess because you feel guilty or something? Or maybe you're just an idiot.

And yes, calling someone a racist IS INTENDED AS AN INSULT. I have no idea why you think you're making some great point by mentioning that? I am saying he is a racist, and I absolutely mean that as an insult. Because being a racist, which he is, is not a good thing. And I am calling him that not-good-thing with intent. Not because it's false, but because it's true. And he should feel insulted by it. And maybe, yah know, stop being such a fucking racist?

And no, insulting someone by accurately calling them a racist is not "psychological warfare" you idiotic drama queen. Welcome to TheRPGSite. In case you were not aware, insulting people around here is not "psychological warfare," it is rather a day of the week ending in the letters "ay." And our insults tend to be best when they're accurate - like mine was and is. Much like calling you an idiot. Which you are.

I am signaling nothing by calling a racist a racist. It's the same signal I'd be sending if I called an idiot like you an idiot. There is no guilt, white or otherwise, involved in my calling that racist a racist. Just as there is no guilt involved in my calling you an idiot for being an idiot.

So yes, him arguing the movie is bad because it's not white enough for him is a racist statement. It doesn't matter what the color of his skin is, or his geographic or social or ethnic or religious background. It's still a racist thing to say regardless of those factors. And if you still think he can't be a racist because he's non-white, then you might be even more an idiot that you're coming across as in this thread. But I doubt you think that - I think you know damn well a non-white person can be a racist, and that he is a racist, and you'd rather not directly discuss those topics.

Also, this movie is likely to make a boatload of money, and that is the #1, #2 and #3 reasons for them making this movie. Your nonsense conspiracy theory that it's for Marxist propaganda and money laundering is just more evidence you're a fucking idiot.

You're still doing it. ;D

You didn't ask a question, Misty. You engaged in a line of attack, under the guise of a question. You launched an insult, under the guise of a question. You used a blatant neo-Marxist demoralization tactic, UNDER THE GUISE OF A QUESTION. ::)

You're not really here to discuss tabletop RPGs, are you, Misty? You don't seem interested in discussing D&D or the D&D movie. You only seem to care about pushing your precious "narrative". That's a shame.

But thank you for letting the mask slip a little, and for admitting that denigrating someone as a 'racist' is intended to be an INSULT. Well, if you insult a group or a person over and over and over and over again, then that's a demoralization tactic, Misty. That's psychological warfare.

I know you know this. We both know it. Why pretend otherwise? 8)

And by the way, you deliberately ignored what I said about Hasbro suspending that whistleblower for revealing their covert attempts at pushing CRT ("Critical Race Theory") propaganda through branding and messaging on children. I had a feeling you'd ignore it. ::) The whistleblower was black (which makes this funnier), and there are millions of people who resent being the targets of "social engineering", which is another term for BRAINWASHING. Well, why would a giant mega-corporation HIDE the fact that they're using propaganda against their customers, unless they were doing something evil? And yes, covertly pushing CRT propaganda to demoralize whites into believing they're all a bunch of filthy racists....is EVIL.

Again, Hasbro is the same company that utilized Chinese slave labor, the same company that manufactured and sold a pedo doll, the same company that had a bunch of PEDOPHILES in positions of influence and power in their Magic the Gathering Tournaments. And now Hasbro pushes weaponized CRT propaganda in their movie. Their precious little D&D movie is a delivery device for weaponized propaganda against the "racists". And who's a "racist"? A "racist" is anyone who rejects the "Narrative". You know what the so-called "Narrative" is, Misty, don'tcha? Of course you do, since you've been pushing it non-stop in this thread. ::)

If the movie fails, and people reject their precious anti-white "anti-racism" propaganda, then you can comfortably denigrate entire groups of people as "racist" for refusing to consume a corporate product. Of course, it might not "fail", since making money is NOT the primary goal of Hollywood ("Pedowood") any more. And besides, the men who control the banks control Pedowood, so they can just bail it out with a nearly endless amount of fiat currency. Or they can just do "ghost screenings" like they did for the "Captain Marvel" movie. Right? 8)

But that's ok, Misty. Keep insulting Mexicans as "racist" for refusing to watch the D&D movie. I'm sure that insulting Mexicans will make them want to watch the D&D movie so very much. But if that doesn't work, maybe you can insult blacks, whites, and Chinese as "racist"....and they'll be so ashamed of their "racism", that they'll rush out in droves to watch the movie.....as a form of penance. What a marketing strategy, right? ;D

What the actual fuck do you think is "anti-white" about this movie? It's not based on existing known characters whose race they're changing. It's a brand new story with brand new characters and nobody has had their race switched from anything to anything. So how is it anti-white to have the cast as it is? The only way to draw that conclusion is for you to be arguing it should be a more white cast, just because more white would in some way be "better".

And I am not insulting "Mexicans" I am insulting one guy from there. Unless you're Mexican? Because I sure am insulting you as well - just like you're insulting me. But it's only "psychological warfare" when I do it apparently. You whiney little drama queen bitch who can't take an insult without crying "psychological warfare!"

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Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

Yeah, it's also a hard pass from me. There was a time when I could overlook that because there were other stuff where it balanced out, now? They can get bent.

Oh fucking puh-lease.

You all sound like the most whinny bitch racists ever right now.

This is bog standard Hollywood diversity casting thats been a thing for at least 3 iterations of SJWs trying to twist it out of shape. Theres nothing wrong with the casting other than the castings diversity is so weak kneed they went with people that at a glance you can barely tell are minorities. And one whos a minority only when the SJWs allow them to be.

They went the safest route possible and cast the whitest looking minorities they could lay hands on. Or would take the job.

As for the barbarian gal. Oh give me a fucking break. Shes a bog standard snarky amazon type. Nothing new here to get your panties in a knot over.

But no no no. Its all oh woe is me! Dem evil whammens is scarededing me!

Fuck sake the lot of you are going to make perfect little next wave SJWs.

The more I look at the trailer the more it looks like an IDW comic. And that is not a good thing.

Yes, you're right, this Maya is a white supremacist...

Or, hear me out, that's what I saw and those are my sincere opinions that have nothing to do with the characters' race but with the writting.

Or you could keep on trying to give me white guilt.

You might not be a white supremacist but you sure seem plenty racist. And don't even try and tell me Mexicans of Maya origin are not racist - I work with several, and you know I know there are plenty of racists in your part of the world. Often even more blatant than in America.

Are you actually trying to "white guilt" Mexicans now?

No, I am calling a racist a racist. No white guilt involved. Are you trying to argue only white people can be racist?

Holy cow, you are! ;D And I'm sure your Mexican co-workers absolutely loooooove it when you try to "white guilt" them. What would be the conservative talking point? "Mexicans are the real racists?"

Good grief, there's so much "derp" in this thread! ;D

Misty, quick! Call blacks "racist" next! At the very least, call the Chinese "racist" for rejecting this D&D train wreck....since the potential Chinese market for a D&D movie is HUGE. But if the Chinese mostly refuse to watch movies with blacks or various forms of racial mystery meat in them, then you can just label them as "white-adjacent" anyway....and thus, safely denigrate them as "racist".

Right? 8)

You know what? Just start calling people "Nazis", Misty. We all know you want to. ::)

Look, chief....I'll lay this out for you again. You cannot effectively shame people or "white guilt" people into consuming a corporate product. It doesn't work. It especially doesn't work when that Hasbro whistleblower revealed that the mega-corporation that controls the Dungeons & Dragons IP (in this case, Hasbro) is covertly trying to "social engineer" (brainwash) millions of people via neo-Marxist propaganda through branding and messaging. That's what CRT is for. The whistleblower was suspended for revealing this. What a surprise. ::)

Misty, when you denigrate someone as a "racist", you're basically casting a spell. Not a D&D spell, but you're using weaponized language as a form of psychological warfare....in order to win arguments, and break people's spirit. It's a classic neo-Marxist SJW demoralization tactic, and it's not very nice. And even worse, you're doubling down on it, against those "filthy Mexican Nazi Mayan racists!" Misty, your "magic demoralization attack word" ("racist!!") is not working, and is making you look like an ethically disingenuous neo-Marxist asshole. My advice to you would be to stop doubling down.

Like I said before, the "derp" in this thread is nearly beyond belief. 8)

Are you trying to argue only white people can be racist? It's a simple question which, despite your pages of ranting, you have yet to answer.

Oh, my God.....you're still doing it. ::)

Please. Make. It. Stop.

Misty, stop virtue signaling. Stop demanding that people submit to your neo-Marxist purity tests. It's very obnoxious. At this point, I think you know that the movie is just a giant exercise in neo-Marxist propaganda. I already discussed Hasbro covertly using CRT to "socially engineer" millions of people, and that's what this movie is for. That's the entire purpose of the creation of this D&D movie (aside from money laundering). I know you know this. So what did you do?

You tried to "white guilt" Mexicans about their "racism". And then you doubled down, like a pit bull in heat....and you still won't stop. Doubling down? Hell, you're even tripling down. ::)

And no, it's NOT a simple question. When you keep autistically repeating this:

Quote from: MistwellAre you trying to argue only white people can be racist?

That "question" you "asked" is not really a question, and we both know it. Just because you put a question mark at the end of your sentence doesn't mean that you're actually asking a question. You're being deliberately ethically disingenuous by using a slur ("racist!!"), under the guise of a question. You think I'm unaware of what you're really doing? I know exactly what you're doing, Misty, and I would suggest that you stop doing it.

When you call someone "racist", you are a using a SLUR, and you know it. You're intentionally using a term of denigration. You are using a demoralization tactic. In other words, you're engaging in psychological warfare. This is like a "socially acceptable" way of calling someone the "n-word" (while just "asking a simple question!" ::) ), and the only reason why it's "socially acceptable", is because westerners have been subject to intense neo-Marxist psychological warfare every single day for years. This psychological warfare is sometimes called "social justice", but I think the term is meant to be ironic.

And again, the weaponized use of the word, "racist", is like casting a spell, or using a curse against your opponent......for the purpose of crushing your target's morale. What you're doing is REPEATING THE MAGIC WORD OVER AND OVER AGAIN, so you can feign having the moral high ground......which we both know that you do not truly have. 8)

So yes, Misty, I did answer your so-called "question", but you just didn't like the answer. ;)

You're still distracting and ducking and strawmanning and doing everything you can to avoid answering the question. And yes, it is in fact a simple question. Do you think non-white people can be racist? It's a yes or no answer. I don't think anyone else here would have trouble answering that question including the guy we're talking about. I think we all agree of course non-white people can be racist. All except you, who is avoiding answering it like it's some trick. I guess because you feel guilty or something? Or maybe you're just an idiot.

And yes, calling someone a racist IS INTENDED AS AN INSULT. I have no idea why you think you're making some great point by mentioning that? I am saying he is a racist, and I absolutely mean that as an insult. Because being a racist, which he is, is not a good thing. And I am calling him that not-good-thing with intent. Not because it's false, but because it's true. And he should feel insulted by it. And maybe, yah know, stop being such a fucking racist?

And no, insulting someone by accurately calling them a racist is not "psychological warfare" you idiotic drama queen. Welcome to TheRPGSite. In case you were not aware, insulting people around here is not "psychological warfare," it is rather a day of the week ending in the letters "ay." And our insults tend to be best when they're accurate - like mine was and is. Much like calling you an idiot. Which you are.

I am signaling nothing by calling a racist a racist. It's the same signal I'd be sending if I called an idiot like you an idiot. There is no guilt, white or otherwise, involved in my calling that racist a racist. Just as there is no guilt involved in my calling you an idiot for being an idiot.

So yes, him arguing the movie is bad because it's not white enough for him is a racist statement. It doesn't matter what the color of his skin is, or his geographic or social or ethnic or religious background. It's still a racist thing to say regardless of those factors. And if you still think he can't be a racist because he's non-white, then you might be even more an idiot that you're coming across as in this thread. But I doubt you think that - I think you know damn well a non-white person can be a racist, and that he is a racist, and you'd rather not directly discuss those topics.

Also, this movie is likely to make a boatload of money, and that is the #1, #2 and #3 reasons for them making this movie. Your nonsense conspiracy theory that it's for Marxist propaganda and money laundering is just more evidence you're a fucking idiot.

You're still doing it. ;D

You didn't ask a question, Misty. You engaged in a line of attack, under the guise of a question. You launched an insult, under the guise of a question. You used a blatant neo-Marxist demoralization tactic, UNDER THE GUISE OF A QUESTION. ::)

You're not really here to discuss tabletop RPGs, are you, Misty? You don't seem interested in discussing D&D or the D&D movie. You only seem to care about pushing your precious "narrative". That's a shame.

But thank you for letting the mask slip a little, and for admitting that denigrating someone as a 'racist' is intended to be an INSULT. Well, if you insult a group or a person over and over and over and over again, then that's a demoralization tactic, Misty. That's psychological warfare.

I know you know this. We both know it. Why pretend otherwise? 8)

And by the way, you deliberately ignored what I said about Hasbro suspending that whistleblower for revealing their covert attempts at pushing CRT ("Critical Race Theory") propaganda through branding and messaging on children. I had a feeling you'd ignore it. ::) The whistleblower was black (which makes this funnier), and there are millions of people who resent being the targets of "social engineering", which is another term for BRAINWASHING. Well, why would a giant mega-corporation HIDE the fact that they're using propaganda against their customers, unless they were doing something evil? And yes, covertly pushing CRT propaganda to demoralize whites into believing they're all a bunch of filthy racists....is EVIL.

Again, Hasbro is the same company that utilized Chinese slave labor, the same company that manufactured and sold a pedo doll, the same company that had a bunch of PEDOPHILES in positions of influence and power in their Magic the Gathering Tournaments. And now Hasbro pushes weaponized CRT propaganda in their movie. Their precious little D&D movie is a delivery device for weaponized propaganda against the "racists". And who's a "racist"? A "racist" is anyone who rejects the "Narrative". You know what the so-called "Narrative" is, Misty, don'tcha? Of course you do, since you've been pushing it non-stop in this thread. ::)

If the movie fails, and people reject their precious anti-white "anti-racism" propaganda, then you can comfortably denigrate entire groups of people as "racist" for refusing to consume a corporate product. Of course, it might not "fail", since making money is NOT the primary goal of Hollywood ("Pedowood") any more. And besides, the men who control the banks control Pedowood, so they can just bail it out with a nearly endless amount of fiat currency. Or they can just do "ghost screenings" like they did for the "Captain Marvel" movie. Right? 8)

But that's ok, Misty. Keep insulting Mexicans as "racist" for refusing to watch the D&D movie. I'm sure that insulting Mexicans will make them want to watch the D&D movie so very much. But if that doesn't work, maybe you can insult blacks, whites, and Chinese as "racist"....and they'll be so ashamed of their "racism", that they'll rush out in droves to watch the movie.....as a form of penance. What a marketing strategy, right? ;D

What the actual fuck do you think is "anti-white" about this movie? It's not based on existing known characters whose race they're changing. It's a brand new story with brand new characters and nobody has had their race switched from anything to anything. So how is it anti-white to have the cast as it is? The only way to draw that conclusion is for you to be arguing it should be a more white cast, just because more white would in some way be "better".

And I am not insulting "Mexicans" I am insulting one guy from there. Unless you're Mexican? Because I sure am insulting you as well - just like you're insulting me. But it's only "psychological warfare" when I do it apparently. You whiney little drama queen bitch who can't take an insult without crying "psychological warfare!"

Didn't you say this to GeekyBugle on page 8? 8)

Quote from: MistwellYou might not be a white supremacist but you sure seem plenty racist. And don't even try and tell me Mexicans of Maya origin are not racist - I work with several, and you know I know there are plenty of racists in your part of the world. Often even more blatant than in America.

You already admitted that the term "racist" or "racism" is an insult, Misty. ;) You said this:

Quote from: MistwellAnd yes, calling someone a racist IS INTENDED AS AN INSULT.

So...yes, you insulted Mexicans. Do you really think insults will inspire people to go see a D&D movie? Boy, you really should work for Hasbro! :D And by the way, you deliberately ignored all the discussion of covert, weaponized CRT propaganda that Hasbro is engaging in....just like I knew you would. 8)

But at least now I know that there's no need for me to take you seriously any more. The thread is yours. 8)

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Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

Yeah, it's also a hard pass from me. There was a time when I could overlook that because there were other stuff where it balanced out, now? They can get bent.

Oh fucking puh-lease.

You all sound like the most whinny bitch racists ever right now.

This is bog standard Hollywood diversity casting thats been a thing for at least 3 iterations of SJWs trying to twist it out of shape. Theres nothing wrong with the casting other than the castings diversity is so weak kneed they went with people that at a glance you can barely tell are minorities. And one whos a minority only when the SJWs allow them to be.

They went the safest route possible and cast the whitest looking minorities they could lay hands on. Or would take the job.

As for the barbarian gal. Oh give me a fucking break. Shes a bog standard snarky amazon type. Nothing new here to get your panties in a knot over.

But no no no. Its all oh woe is me! Dem evil whammens is scarededing me!

Fuck sake the lot of you are going to make perfect little next wave SJWs.

The more I look at the trailer the more it looks like an IDW comic. And that is not a good thing.

Yes, you're right, this Maya is a white supremacist...

Or, hear me out, that's what I saw and those are my sincere opinions that have nothing to do with the characters' race but with the writting.

Or you could keep on trying to give me white guilt.

You might not be a white supremacist but you sure seem plenty racist. And don't even try and tell me Mexicans of Maya origin are not racist - I work with several, and you know I know there are plenty of racists in your part of the world. Often even more blatant than in America.

Are you actually trying to "white guilt" Mexicans now?

No, I am calling a racist a racist. No white guilt involved. Are you trying to argue only white people can be racist?

Holy cow, you are! ;D And I'm sure your Mexican co-workers absolutely loooooove it when you try to "white guilt" them. What would be the conservative talking point? "Mexicans are the real racists?"

Good grief, there's so much "derp" in this thread! ;D

Misty, quick! Call blacks "racist" next! At the very least, call the Chinese "racist" for rejecting this D&D train wreck....since the potential Chinese market for a D&D movie is HUGE. But if the Chinese mostly refuse to watch movies with blacks or various forms of racial mystery meat in them, then you can just label them as "white-adjacent" anyway....and thus, safely denigrate them as "racist".

Right? 8)

You know what? Just start calling people "Nazis", Misty. We all know you want to. ::)

Look, chief....I'll lay this out for you again. You cannot effectively shame people or "white guilt" people into consuming a corporate product. It doesn't work. It especially doesn't work when that Hasbro whistleblower revealed that the mega-corporation that controls the Dungeons & Dragons IP (in this case, Hasbro) is covertly trying to "social engineer" (brainwash) millions of people via neo-Marxist propaganda through branding and messaging. That's what CRT is for. The whistleblower was suspended for revealing this. What a surprise. ::)

Misty, when you denigrate someone as a "racist", you're basically casting a spell. Not a D&D spell, but you're using weaponized language as a form of psychological warfare....in order to win arguments, and break people's spirit. It's a classic neo-Marxist SJW demoralization tactic, and it's not very nice. And even worse, you're doubling down on it, against those "filthy Mexican Nazi Mayan racists!" Misty, your "magic demoralization attack word" ("racist!!") is not working, and is making you look like an ethically disingenuous neo-Marxist asshole. My advice to you would be to stop doubling down.

Like I said before, the "derp" in this thread is nearly beyond belief. 8)

Are you trying to argue only white people can be racist? It's a simple question which, despite your pages of ranting, you have yet to answer.

Oh, my God.....you're still doing it. ::)

Please. Make. It. Stop.

Misty, stop virtue signaling. Stop demanding that people submit to your neo-Marxist purity tests. It's very obnoxious. At this point, I think you know that the movie is just a giant exercise in neo-Marxist propaganda. I already discussed Hasbro covertly using CRT to "socially engineer" millions of people, and that's what this movie is for. That's the entire purpose of the creation of this D&D movie (aside from money laundering). I know you know this. So what did you do?

You tried to "white guilt" Mexicans about their "racism". And then you doubled down, like a pit bull in heat....and you still won't stop. Doubling down? Hell, you're even tripling down. ::)

And no, it's NOT a simple question. When you keep autistically repeating this:

Quote from: MistwellAre you trying to argue only white people can be racist?

That "question" you "asked" is not really a question, and we both know it. Just because you put a question mark at the end of your sentence doesn't mean that you're actually asking a question. You're being deliberately ethically disingenuous by using a slur ("racist!!"), under the guise of a question. You think I'm unaware of what you're really doing? I know exactly what you're doing, Misty, and I would suggest that you stop doing it.

When you call someone "racist", you are a using a SLUR, and you know it. You're intentionally using a term of denigration. You are using a demoralization tactic. In other words, you're engaging in psychological warfare. This is like a "socially acceptable" way of calling someone the "n-word" (while just "asking a simple question!" ::) ), and the only reason why it's "socially acceptable", is because westerners have been subject to intense neo-Marxist psychological warfare every single day for years. This psychological warfare is sometimes called "social justice", but I think the term is meant to be ironic.

And again, the weaponized use of the word, "racist", is like casting a spell, or using a curse against your opponent......for the purpose of crushing your target's morale. What you're doing is REPEATING THE MAGIC WORD OVER AND OVER AGAIN, so you can feign having the moral high ground......which we both know that you do not truly have. 8)

So yes, Misty, I did answer your so-called "question", but you just didn't like the answer. ;)

You're still distracting and ducking and strawmanning and doing everything you can to avoid answering the question. And yes, it is in fact a simple question. Do you think non-white people can be racist? It's a yes or no answer. I don't think anyone else here would have trouble answering that question including the guy we're talking about. I think we all agree of course non-white people can be racist. All except you, who is avoiding answering it like it's some trick. I guess because you feel guilty or something? Or maybe you're just an idiot.

And yes, calling someone a racist IS INTENDED AS AN INSULT. I have no idea why you think you're making some great point by mentioning that? I am saying he is a racist, and I absolutely mean that as an insult. Because being a racist, which he is, is not a good thing. And I am calling him that not-good-thing with intent. Not because it's false, but because it's true. And he should feel insulted by it. And maybe, yah know, stop being such a fucking racist?

And no, insulting someone by accurately calling them a racist is not "psychological warfare" you idiotic drama queen. Welcome to TheRPGSite. In case you were not aware, insulting people around here is not "psychological warfare," it is rather a day of the week ending in the letters "ay." And our insults tend to be best when they're accurate - like mine was and is. Much like calling you an idiot. Which you are.

I am signaling nothing by calling a racist a racist. It's the same signal I'd be sending if I called an idiot like you an idiot. There is no guilt, white or otherwise, involved in my calling that racist a racist. Just as there is no guilt involved in my calling you an idiot for being an idiot.

So yes, him arguing the movie is bad because it's not white enough for him is a racist statement. It doesn't matter what the color of his skin is, or his geographic or social or ethnic or religious background. It's still a racist thing to say regardless of those factors. And if you still think he can't be a racist because he's non-white, then you might be even more an idiot that you're coming across as in this thread. But I doubt you think that - I think you know damn well a non-white person can be a racist, and that he is a racist, and you'd rather not directly discuss those topics.

Also, this movie is likely to make a boatload of money, and that is the #1, #2 and #3 reasons for them making this movie. Your nonsense conspiracy theory that it's for Marxist propaganda and money laundering is just more evidence you're a fucking idiot.

You're still doing it. ;D

You didn't ask a question, Misty. You engaged in a line of attack, under the guise of a question. You launched an insult, under the guise of a question. You used a blatant neo-Marxist demoralization tactic, UNDER THE GUISE OF A QUESTION. ::)

You're not really here to discuss tabletop RPGs, are you, Misty? You don't seem interested in discussing D&D or the D&D movie. You only seem to care about pushing your precious "narrative". That's a shame.

But thank you for letting the mask slip a little, and for admitting that denigrating someone as a 'racist' is intended to be an INSULT. Well, if you insult a group or a person over and over and over and over again, then that's a demoralization tactic, Misty. That's psychological warfare.

I know you know this. We both know it. Why pretend otherwise? 8)

And by the way, you deliberately ignored what I said about Hasbro suspending that whistleblower for revealing their covert attempts at pushing CRT ("Critical Race Theory") propaganda through branding and messaging on children. I had a feeling you'd ignore it. ::) The whistleblower was black (which makes this funnier), and there are millions of people who resent being the targets of "social engineering", which is another term for BRAINWASHING. Well, why would a giant mega-corporation HIDE the fact that they're using propaganda against their customers, unless they were doing something evil? And yes, covertly pushing CRT propaganda to demoralize whites into believing they're all a bunch of filthy racists....is EVIL.

Again, Hasbro is the same company that utilized Chinese slave labor, the same company that manufactured and sold a pedo doll, the same company that had a bunch of PEDOPHILES in positions of influence and power in their Magic the Gathering Tournaments. And now Hasbro pushes weaponized CRT propaganda in their movie. Their precious little D&D movie is a delivery device for weaponized propaganda against the "racists". And who's a "racist"? A "racist" is anyone who rejects the "Narrative". You know what the so-called "Narrative" is, Misty, don'tcha? Of course you do, since you've been pushing it non-stop in this thread. ::)

If the movie fails, and people reject their precious anti-white "anti-racism" propaganda, then you can comfortably denigrate entire groups of people as "racist" for refusing to consume a corporate product. Of course, it might not "fail", since making money is NOT the primary goal of Hollywood ("Pedowood") any more. And besides, the men who control the banks control Pedowood, so they can just bail it out with a nearly endless amount of fiat currency. Or they can just do "ghost screenings" like they did for the "Captain Marvel" movie. Right? 8)

But that's ok, Misty. Keep insulting Mexicans as "racist" for refusing to watch the D&D movie. I'm sure that insulting Mexicans will make them want to watch the D&D movie so very much. But if that doesn't work, maybe you can insult blacks, whites, and Chinese as "racist"....and they'll be so ashamed of their "racism", that they'll rush out in droves to watch the movie.....as a form of penance. What a marketing strategy, right? ;D

What the actual fuck do you think is "anti-white" about this movie? It's not based on existing known characters whose race they're changing. It's a brand new story with brand new characters and nobody has had their race switched from anything to anything. So how is it anti-white to have the cast as it is? The only way to draw that conclusion is for you to be arguing it should be a more white cast, just because more white would in some way be "better".

And I am not insulting "Mexicans" I am insulting one guy from there. Unless you're Mexican? Because I sure am insulting you as well - just like you're insulting me. But it's only "psychological warfare" when I do it apparently. You whiney little drama queen bitch who can't take an insult without crying "psychological warfare!"

Didn't you say this to GeekyBugle on page 8? 8)

Quote from: MistwellYou might not be a white supremacist but you sure seem plenty racist. And don't even try and tell me Mexicans of Maya origin are not racist - I work with several, and you know I know there are plenty of racists in your part of the world. Often even more blatant than in America.

You already admitted that the term "racist" or "racism" is an insult, Misty. ;) You said this:

Quote from: MistwellAnd yes, calling someone a racist IS INTENDED AS AN INSULT.

So...yes, you insulted Mexicans. Do you really think insults will inspire people to go see a D&D movie? Boy, you really should work for Hasbro! :D And by the way, you deliberately ignored all the discussion of covert, weaponized CRT propaganda that Hasbro is engaging in....just like I knew you would. 8)

But at least now I know that there's no need for me to take you seriously any more. The thread is yours. 8)

I said PLENTY, not "ALL" or even "MOST". Add Weasel to the insults I am accurately describing you as.

And I note you didn't even attempt to address the topics I raised. Because there is nothing you have - you're arguing the movie needs more white people because more white people would in some way be "better" and that's it. That's your entire argument. That more white people, purely because they're white, is what would make it better casting.

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That more white people, purely because they're white, is what would make it better casting.

"More diverse people, purely because they're diverse, is what would make it better casting."

This is exactly what PLENTY of people in the film industry believe, and this DnD flick, at least at first blush, appears to be no different. Yet somehow I don't think you'll call them racist. You are either willfully ignorant of this blindspot in your judgment, or you're certifiably retarded.

Don't bother responding, I won't entertain your nonsense.

Oy Vey!!

Its a movie preview!

NOT a treatise or argument about race or sub-culture issues.

Also, the Title of the thread is very WRONG.

The movie looks like a lot of Fun based on the Trailer.

-Ed C.

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But at least now I know that there's no need for me to take you seriously any more.

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That more white people, purely because they're white, is what would make it better casting.

"More diverse people, purely because they're diverse, is what would make it better casting."

This is exactly what PLENTY of people in the film industry believe, and this DnD flick, at least at first blush, appears to be no different. Yet somehow I don't think you'll call them racist. You are either willfully ignorant of this blindspot in your judgment, or you're certifiably retarded.

Don't bother responding, I won't entertain your nonsense.

Does it really, though? Cuz this is D&D, and the film is set at the Forgotten Realms, which has a pretty diverse landmass, not some entirely quasi-European setting. So it's not entirely outside the realm of possibility for there to be non-white characters in it. This isn't like trying to stick black people into the Witcher, which is supposed to be based on quasi-medieval Poland. And the story isn't even set on an established IP where they're race swapping characters, but an entirely new thing.

The only reason for people to jump into the conclusions they've been hyper ventilating about in this thread from just watching this trailer is the cultural context we're currently living on and a heavy dose of being overly invested in the culture war. But there's not enough in the trailer itself to so strongly draw these conclusions on, other than "OMG! They made fun of the lead character! And he's white!!! And they're not!"

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Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

Yeah, it's also a hard pass from me. There was a time when I could overlook that because there were other stuff where it balanced out, now? They can get bent.

Oh fucking puh-lease.

You all sound like the most whinny bitch racists ever right now.

This is bog standard Hollywood diversity casting thats been a thing for at least 3 iterations of SJWs trying to twist it out of shape. Theres nothing wrong with the casting other than the castings diversity is so weak kneed they went with people that at a glance you can barely tell are minorities. And one whos a minority only when the SJWs allow them to be.

They went the safest route possible and cast the whitest looking minorities they could lay hands on. Or would take the job.

As for the barbarian gal. Oh give me a fucking break. Shes a bog standard snarky amazon type. Nothing new here to get your panties in a knot over.

But no no no. Its all oh woe is me! Dem evil whammens is scarededing me!

Fuck sake the lot of you are going to make perfect little next wave SJWs.

The more I look at the trailer the more it looks like an IDW comic. And that is not a good thing.

Yes, you're right, this Maya is a white supremacist...

Or, hear me out, that's what I saw and those are my sincere opinions that have nothing to do with the characters' race but with the writting.

Or you could keep on trying to give me white guilt.

You might not be a white supremacist but you sure seem plenty racist. And don't even try and tell me Mexicans of Maya origin are not racist - I work with several, and you know I know there are plenty of racists in your part of the world. Often even more blatant than in America.

Are you actually trying to "white guilt" Mexicans now?

No, I am calling a racist a racist. No white guilt involved. Are you trying to argue only white people can be racist?

Holy cow, you are! ;D And I'm sure your Mexican co-workers absolutely loooooove it when you try to "white guilt" them. What would be the conservative talking point? "Mexicans are the real racists?"

Good grief, there's so much "derp" in this thread! ;D

Misty, quick! Call blacks "racist" next! At the very least, call the Chinese "racist" for rejecting this D&D train wreck....since the potential Chinese market for a D&D movie is HUGE. But if the Chinese mostly refuse to watch movies with blacks or various forms of racial mystery meat in them, then you can just label them as "white-adjacent" anyway....and thus, safely denigrate them as "racist".

Right? 8)

You know what? Just start calling people "Nazis", Misty. We all know you want to. ::)

Look, chief....I'll lay this out for you again. You cannot effectively shame people or "white guilt" people into consuming a corporate product. It doesn't work. It especially doesn't work when that Hasbro whistleblower revealed that the mega-corporation that controls the Dungeons & Dragons IP (in this case, Hasbro) is covertly trying to "social engineer" (brainwash) millions of people via neo-Marxist propaganda through branding and messaging. That's what CRT is for. The whistleblower was suspended for revealing this. What a surprise. ::)

Misty, when you denigrate someone as a "racist", you're basically casting a spell. Not a D&D spell, but you're using weaponized language as a form of psychological warfare....in order to win arguments, and break people's spirit. It's a classic neo-Marxist SJW demoralization tactic, and it's not very nice. And even worse, you're doubling down on it, against those "filthy Mexican Nazi Mayan racists!" Misty, your "magic demoralization attack word" ("racist!!") is not working, and is making you look like an ethically disingenuous neo-Marxist asshole. My advice to you would be to stop doubling down.

Like I said before, the "derp" in this thread is nearly beyond belief. 8)

Are you trying to argue only white people can be racist? It's a simple question which, despite your pages of ranting, you have yet to answer.

Oh, my God.....you're still doing it. ::)

Please. Make. It. Stop.

Misty, stop virtue signaling. Stop demanding that people submit to your neo-Marxist purity tests. It's very obnoxious. At this point, I think you know that the movie is just a giant exercise in neo-Marxist propaganda. I already discussed Hasbro covertly using CRT to "socially engineer" millions of people, and that's what this movie is for. That's the entire purpose of the creation of this D&D movie (aside from money laundering). I know you know this. So what did you do?

You tried to "white guilt" Mexicans about their "racism". And then you doubled down, like a pit bull in heat....and you still won't stop. Doubling down? Hell, you're even tripling down. ::)

And no, it's NOT a simple question. When you keep autistically repeating this:

Quote from: MistwellAre you trying to argue only white people can be racist?

That "question" you "asked" is not really a question, and we both know it. Just because you put a question mark at the end of your sentence doesn't mean that you're actually asking a question. You're being deliberately ethically disingenuous by using a slur ("racist!!"), under the guise of a question. You think I'm unaware of what you're really doing? I know exactly what you're doing, Misty, and I would suggest that you stop doing it.

When you call someone "racist", you are a using a SLUR, and you know it. You're intentionally using a term of denigration. You are using a demoralization tactic. In other words, you're engaging in psychological warfare. This is like a "socially acceptable" way of calling someone the "n-word" (while just "asking a simple question!" ::) ), and the only reason why it's "socially acceptable", is because westerners have been subject to intense neo-Marxist psychological warfare every single day for years. This psychological warfare is sometimes called "social justice", but I think the term is meant to be ironic.

And again, the weaponized use of the word, "racist", is like casting a spell, or using a curse against your opponent......for the purpose of crushing your target's morale. What you're doing is REPEATING THE MAGIC WORD OVER AND OVER AGAIN, so you can feign having the moral high ground......which we both know that you do not truly have. 8)

So yes, Misty, I did answer your so-called "question", but you just didn't like the answer. ;)

You're still distracting and ducking and strawmanning and doing everything you can to avoid answering the question. And yes, it is in fact a simple question. Do you think non-white people can be racist? It's a yes or no answer. I don't think anyone else here would have trouble answering that question including the guy we're talking about. I think we all agree of course non-white people can be racist. All except you, who is avoiding answering it like it's some trick. I guess because you feel guilty or something? Or maybe you're just an idiot.

And yes, calling someone a racist IS INTENDED AS AN INSULT. I have no idea why you think you're making some great point by mentioning that? I am saying he is a racist, and I absolutely mean that as an insult. Because being a racist, which he is, is not a good thing. And I am calling him that not-good-thing with intent. Not because it's false, but because it's true. And he should feel insulted by it. And maybe, yah know, stop being such a fucking racist?

And no, insulting someone by accurately calling them a racist is not "psychological warfare" you idiotic drama queen. Welcome to TheRPGSite. In case you were not aware, insulting people around here is not "psychological warfare," it is rather a day of the week ending in the letters "ay." And our insults tend to be best when they're accurate - like mine was and is. Much like calling you an idiot. Which you are.

I am signaling nothing by calling a racist a racist. It's the same signal I'd be sending if I called an idiot like you an idiot. There is no guilt, white or otherwise, involved in my calling that racist a racist. Just as there is no guilt involved in my calling you an idiot for being an idiot.

So yes, him arguing the movie is bad because it's not white enough for him is a racist statement. It doesn't matter what the color of his skin is, or his geographic or social or ethnic or religious background. It's still a racist thing to say regardless of those factors. And if you still think he can't be a racist because he's non-white, then you might be even more an idiot that you're coming across as in this thread. But I doubt you think that - I think you know damn well a non-white person can be a racist, and that he is a racist, and you'd rather not directly discuss those topics.

Also, this movie is likely to make a boatload of money, and that is the #1, #2 and #3 reasons for them making this movie. Your nonsense conspiracy theory that it's for Marxist propaganda and money laundering is just more evidence you're a fucking idiot.

You're still doing it. ;D

You didn't ask a question, Misty. You engaged in a line of attack, under the guise of a question. You launched an insult, under the guise of a question. You used a blatant neo-Marxist demoralization tactic, UNDER THE GUISE OF A QUESTION. ::)

You're not really here to discuss tabletop RPGs, are you, Misty? You don't seem interested in discussing D&D or the D&D movie. You only seem to care about pushing your precious "narrative". That's a shame.

But thank you for letting the mask slip a little, and for admitting that denigrating someone as a 'racist' is intended to be an INSULT. Well, if you insult a group or a person over and over and over and over again, then that's a demoralization tactic, Misty. That's psychological warfare.

I know you know this. We both know it. Why pretend otherwise? 8)

And by the way, you deliberately ignored what I said about Hasbro suspending that whistleblower for revealing their covert attempts at pushing CRT ("Critical Race Theory") propaganda through branding and messaging on children. I had a feeling you'd ignore it. ::) The whistleblower was black (which makes this funnier), and there are millions of people who resent being the targets of "social engineering", which is another term for BRAINWASHING. Well, why would a giant mega-corporation HIDE the fact that they're using propaganda against their customers, unless they were doing something evil? And yes, covertly pushing CRT propaganda to demoralize whites into believing they're all a bunch of filthy racists....is EVIL.

Again, Hasbro is the same company that utilized Chinese slave labor, the same company that manufactured and sold a pedo doll, the same company that had a bunch of PEDOPHILES in positions of influence and power in their Magic the Gathering Tournaments. And now Hasbro pushes weaponized CRT propaganda in their movie. Their precious little D&D movie is a delivery device for weaponized propaganda against the "racists". And who's a "racist"? A "racist" is anyone who rejects the "Narrative". You know what the so-called "Narrative" is, Misty, don'tcha? Of course you do, since you've been pushing it non-stop in this thread. ::)

If the movie fails, and people reject their precious anti-white "anti-racism" propaganda, then you can comfortably denigrate entire groups of people as "racist" for refusing to consume a corporate product. Of course, it might not "fail", since making money is NOT the primary goal of Hollywood ("Pedowood") any more. And besides, the men who control the banks control Pedowood, so they can just bail it out with a nearly endless amount of fiat currency. Or they can just do "ghost screenings" like they did for the "Captain Marvel" movie. Right? 8)

But that's ok, Misty. Keep insulting Mexicans as "racist" for refusing to watch the D&D movie. I'm sure that insulting Mexicans will make them want to watch the D&D movie so very much. But if that doesn't work, maybe you can insult blacks, whites, and Chinese as "racist"....and they'll be so ashamed of their "racism", that they'll rush out in droves to watch the movie.....as a form of penance. What a marketing strategy, right? ;D

What the actual fuck do you think is "anti-white" about this movie? It's not based on existing known characters whose race they're changing. It's a brand new story with brand new characters and nobody has had their race switched from anything to anything. So how is it anti-white to have the cast as it is? The only way to draw that conclusion is for you to be arguing it should be a more white cast, just because more white would in some way be "better".

And I am not insulting "Mexicans" I am insulting one guy from there. Unless you're Mexican? Because I sure am insulting you as well - just like you're insulting me. But it's only "psychological warfare" when I do it apparently. You whiney little drama queen bitch who can't take an insult without crying "psychological warfare!"

Didn't you say this to GeekyBugle on page 8? 8)

Quote from: MistwellYou might not be a white supremacist but you sure seem plenty racist. And don't even try and tell me Mexicans of Maya origin are not racist - I work with several, and you know I know there are plenty of racists in your part of the world. Often even more blatant than in America.

You already admitted that the term "racist" or "racism" is an insult, Misty. ;) You said this:

Quote from: MistwellAnd yes, calling someone a racist IS INTENDED AS AN INSULT.

So...yes, you insulted Mexicans. Do you really think insults will inspire people to go see a D&D movie? Boy, you really should work for Hasbro! :D And by the way, you deliberately ignored all the discussion of covert, weaponized CRT propaganda that Hasbro is engaging in....just like I knew you would. 8)

But at least now I know that there's no need for me to take you seriously any more. The thread is yours. 8)

I said PLENTY, not "ALL" or even "MOST". Add Weasel to the insults I am accurately describing you as.

And I note you didn't even attempt to address the topics I raised. Because there is nothing you have - you're arguing the movie needs more white people because more white people would in some way be "better" and that's it. That's your entire argument. That more white people, purely because they're white, is what would make it better casting.

Hey Misty, please provide the EXACT quote where I say: "the movie is bad because it's not white enough for me" and then, after you fail at doing so, go fuck yourself you disingenuous lying twat.

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That more white people, purely because they're white, is what would make it better casting.

"More diverse people, purely because they're diverse, is what would make it better casting."

Nobody has made that argument. This is the cast they chose. Everyone looks to be good actors, they all have a long track record of good acting except one (and she's white), and they appear to play their role well. The only criticism so far in this thread is the color of their skin isn't white. That's it. That's the only objection raised about the cast - not that they should have chosen better actors, or they don't fit the roles they're playing, or anything like that. Just that they're not white, and that alone is a reason to criticize it.

Which is racist. Plain and simple, that's racist. What else would it be?

QuoteThis is exactly what PLENTY of people in the film industry believe, and this DnD flick, at least at first blush, appears to be no different. Yet somehow I don't think you'll call them racist. You are either willfully ignorant of this blindspot in your judgment, or you're certifiably retarded.

Don't bother responding, I won't entertain your nonsense.

I start from the basic premise I care about the acting ability and how well they fit the role - not the color of their skin. If I see someone say "We cast this person purely because of the color of their skin" I will call that racist. But there is zero evidence of that. Everyone cast has a long track record of good acting except one - and she's white.

We do have 100% confirmed evidence here of people saying it was a bad thing to cast people who were not white enough for these roles, as the only basis for that criticism. Which is racist. Of course it's racist. The only basis of the criticism is the color of their skin. What else would that be, other than racism?

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Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

Yeah, it's also a hard pass from me. There was a time when I could overlook that because there were other stuff where it balanced out, now? They can get bent.

Oh fucking puh-lease.

You all sound like the most whinny bitch racists ever right now.

This is bog standard Hollywood diversity casting thats been a thing for at least 3 iterations of SJWs trying to twist it out of shape. Theres nothing wrong with the casting other than the castings diversity is so weak kneed they went with people that at a glance you can barely tell are minorities. And one whos a minority only when the SJWs allow them to be.

They went the safest route possible and cast the whitest looking minorities they could lay hands on. Or would take the job.

As for the barbarian gal. Oh give me a fucking break. Shes a bog standard snarky amazon type. Nothing new here to get your panties in a knot over.

But no no no. Its all oh woe is me! Dem evil whammens is scarededing me!

Fuck sake the lot of you are going to make perfect little next wave SJWs.

The more I look at the trailer the more it looks like an IDW comic. And that is not a good thing.

Yes, you're right, this Maya is a white supremacist...

Or, hear me out, that's what I saw and those are my sincere opinions that have nothing to do with the characters' race but with the writting.

Or you could keep on trying to give me white guilt.

You might not be a white supremacist but you sure seem plenty racist. And don't even try and tell me Mexicans of Maya origin are not racist - I work with several, and you know I know there are plenty of racists in your part of the world. Often even more blatant than in America.

Are you actually trying to "white guilt" Mexicans now?

No, I am calling a racist a racist. No white guilt involved. Are you trying to argue only white people can be racist?

Holy cow, you are! ;D And I'm sure your Mexican co-workers absolutely loooooove it when you try to "white guilt" them. What would be the conservative talking point? "Mexicans are the real racists?"

Good grief, there's so much "derp" in this thread! ;D

Misty, quick! Call blacks "racist" next! At the very least, call the Chinese "racist" for rejecting this D&D train wreck....since the potential Chinese market for a D&D movie is HUGE. But if the Chinese mostly refuse to watch movies with blacks or various forms of racial mystery meat in them, then you can just label them as "white-adjacent" anyway....and thus, safely denigrate them as "racist".

Right? 8)

You know what? Just start calling people "Nazis", Misty. We all know you want to. ::)

Look, chief....I'll lay this out for you again. You cannot effectively shame people or "white guilt" people into consuming a corporate product. It doesn't work. It especially doesn't work when that Hasbro whistleblower revealed that the mega-corporation that controls the Dungeons & Dragons IP (in this case, Hasbro) is covertly trying to "social engineer" (brainwash) millions of people via neo-Marxist propaganda through branding and messaging. That's what CRT is for. The whistleblower was suspended for revealing this. What a surprise. ::)

Misty, when you denigrate someone as a "racist", you're basically casting a spell. Not a D&D spell, but you're using weaponized language as a form of psychological warfare....in order to win arguments, and break people's spirit. It's a classic neo-Marxist SJW demoralization tactic, and it's not very nice. And even worse, you're doubling down on it, against those "filthy Mexican Nazi Mayan racists!" Misty, your "magic demoralization attack word" ("racist!!") is not working, and is making you look like an ethically disingenuous neo-Marxist asshole. My advice to you would be to stop doubling down.

Like I said before, the "derp" in this thread is nearly beyond belief. 8)

Are you trying to argue only white people can be racist? It's a simple question which, despite your pages of ranting, you have yet to answer.

Oh, my God.....you're still doing it. ::)

Please. Make. It. Stop.

Misty, stop virtue signaling. Stop demanding that people submit to your neo-Marxist purity tests. It's very obnoxious. At this point, I think you know that the movie is just a giant exercise in neo-Marxist propaganda. I already discussed Hasbro covertly using CRT to "socially engineer" millions of people, and that's what this movie is for. That's the entire purpose of the creation of this D&D movie (aside from money laundering). I know you know this. So what did you do?

You tried to "white guilt" Mexicans about their "racism". And then you doubled down, like a pit bull in heat....and you still won't stop. Doubling down? Hell, you're even tripling down. ::)

And no, it's NOT a simple question. When you keep autistically repeating this:

Quote from: MistwellAre you trying to argue only white people can be racist?

That "question" you "asked" is not really a question, and we both know it. Just because you put a question mark at the end of your sentence doesn't mean that you're actually asking a question. You're being deliberately ethically disingenuous by using a slur ("racist!!"), under the guise of a question. You think I'm unaware of what you're really doing? I know exactly what you're doing, Misty, and I would suggest that you stop doing it.

When you call someone "racist", you are a using a SLUR, and you know it. You're intentionally using a term of denigration. You are using a demoralization tactic. In other words, you're engaging in psychological warfare. This is like a "socially acceptable" way of calling someone the "n-word" (while just "asking a simple question!" ::) ), and the only reason why it's "socially acceptable", is because westerners have been subject to intense neo-Marxist psychological warfare every single day for years. This psychological warfare is sometimes called "social justice", but I think the term is meant to be ironic.

And again, the weaponized use of the word, "racist", is like casting a spell, or using a curse against your opponent......for the purpose of crushing your target's morale. What you're doing is REPEATING THE MAGIC WORD OVER AND OVER AGAIN, so you can feign having the moral high ground......which we both know that you do not truly have. 8)

So yes, Misty, I did answer your so-called "question", but you just didn't like the answer. ;)

You're still distracting and ducking and strawmanning and doing everything you can to avoid answering the question. And yes, it is in fact a simple question. Do you think non-white people can be racist? It's a yes or no answer. I don't think anyone else here would have trouble answering that question including the guy we're talking about. I think we all agree of course non-white people can be racist. All except you, who is avoiding answering it like it's some trick. I guess because you feel guilty or something? Or maybe you're just an idiot.

And yes, calling someone a racist IS INTENDED AS AN INSULT. I have no idea why you think you're making some great point by mentioning that? I am saying he is a racist, and I absolutely mean that as an insult. Because being a racist, which he is, is not a good thing. And I am calling him that not-good-thing with intent. Not because it's false, but because it's true. And he should feel insulted by it. And maybe, yah know, stop being such a fucking racist?

And no, insulting someone by accurately calling them a racist is not "psychological warfare" you idiotic drama queen. Welcome to TheRPGSite. In case you were not aware, insulting people around here is not "psychological warfare," it is rather a day of the week ending in the letters "ay." And our insults tend to be best when they're accurate - like mine was and is. Much like calling you an idiot. Which you are.

I am signaling nothing by calling a racist a racist. It's the same signal I'd be sending if I called an idiot like you an idiot. There is no guilt, white or otherwise, involved in my calling that racist a racist. Just as there is no guilt involved in my calling you an idiot for being an idiot.

So yes, him arguing the movie is bad because it's not white enough for him is a racist statement. It doesn't matter what the color of his skin is, or his geographic or social or ethnic or religious background. It's still a racist thing to say regardless of those factors. And if you still think he can't be a racist because he's non-white, then you might be even more an idiot that you're coming across as in this thread. But I doubt you think that - I think you know damn well a non-white person can be a racist, and that he is a racist, and you'd rather not directly discuss those topics.

Also, this movie is likely to make a boatload of money, and that is the #1, #2 and #3 reasons for them making this movie. Your nonsense conspiracy theory that it's for Marxist propaganda and money laundering is just more evidence you're a fucking idiot.

You're still doing it. ;D

You didn't ask a question, Misty. You engaged in a line of attack, under the guise of a question. You launched an insult, under the guise of a question. You used a blatant neo-Marxist demoralization tactic, UNDER THE GUISE OF A QUESTION. ::)

You're not really here to discuss tabletop RPGs, are you, Misty? You don't seem interested in discussing D&D or the D&D movie. You only seem to care about pushing your precious "narrative". That's a shame.

But thank you for letting the mask slip a little, and for admitting that denigrating someone as a 'racist' is intended to be an INSULT. Well, if you insult a group or a person over and over and over and over again, then that's a demoralization tactic, Misty. That's psychological warfare.

I know you know this. We both know it. Why pretend otherwise? 8)

And by the way, you deliberately ignored what I said about Hasbro suspending that whistleblower for revealing their covert attempts at pushing CRT ("Critical Race Theory") propaganda through branding and messaging on children. I had a feeling you'd ignore it. ::) The whistleblower was black (which makes this funnier), and there are millions of people who resent being the targets of "social engineering", which is another term for BRAINWASHING. Well, why would a giant mega-corporation HIDE the fact that they're using propaganda against their customers, unless they were doing something evil? And yes, covertly pushing CRT propaganda to demoralize whites into believing they're all a bunch of filthy racists....is EVIL.

Again, Hasbro is the same company that utilized Chinese slave labor, the same company that manufactured and sold a pedo doll, the same company that had a bunch of PEDOPHILES in positions of influence and power in their Magic the Gathering Tournaments. And now Hasbro pushes weaponized CRT propaganda in their movie. Their precious little D&D movie is a delivery device for weaponized propaganda against the "racists". And who's a "racist"? A "racist" is anyone who rejects the "Narrative". You know what the so-called "Narrative" is, Misty, don'tcha? Of course you do, since you've been pushing it non-stop in this thread. ::)

If the movie fails, and people reject their precious anti-white "anti-racism" propaganda, then you can comfortably denigrate entire groups of people as "racist" for refusing to consume a corporate product. Of course, it might not "fail", since making money is NOT the primary goal of Hollywood ("Pedowood") any more. And besides, the men who control the banks control Pedowood, so they can just bail it out with a nearly endless amount of fiat currency. Or they can just do "ghost screenings" like they did for the "Captain Marvel" movie. Right? 8)

But that's ok, Misty. Keep insulting Mexicans as "racist" for refusing to watch the D&D movie. I'm sure that insulting Mexicans will make them want to watch the D&D movie so very much. But if that doesn't work, maybe you can insult blacks, whites, and Chinese as "racist"....and they'll be so ashamed of their "racism", that they'll rush out in droves to watch the movie.....as a form of penance. What a marketing strategy, right? ;D

What the actual fuck do you think is "anti-white" about this movie? It's not based on existing known characters whose race they're changing. It's a brand new story with brand new characters and nobody has had their race switched from anything to anything. So how is it anti-white to have the cast as it is? The only way to draw that conclusion is for you to be arguing it should be a more white cast, just because more white would in some way be "better".

And I am not insulting "Mexicans" I am insulting one guy from there. Unless you're Mexican? Because I sure am insulting you as well - just like you're insulting me. But it's only "psychological warfare" when I do it apparently. You whiney little drama queen bitch who can't take an insult without crying "psychological warfare!"

Didn't you say this to GeekyBugle on page 8? 8)

Quote from: MistwellYou might not be a white supremacist but you sure seem plenty racist. And don't even try and tell me Mexicans of Maya origin are not racist - I work with several, and you know I know there are plenty of racists in your part of the world. Often even more blatant than in America.

You already admitted that the term "racist" or "racism" is an insult, Misty. ;) You said this:

Quote from: MistwellAnd yes, calling someone a racist IS INTENDED AS AN INSULT.

So...yes, you insulted Mexicans. Do you really think insults will inspire people to go see a D&D movie? Boy, you really should work for Hasbro! :D And by the way, you deliberately ignored all the discussion of covert, weaponized CRT propaganda that Hasbro is engaging in....just like I knew you would. 8)

But at least now I know that there's no need for me to take you seriously any more. The thread is yours. 8)

I said PLENTY, not "ALL" or even "MOST". Add Weasel to the insults I am accurately describing you as.

And I note you didn't even attempt to address the topics I raised. Because there is nothing you have - you're arguing the movie needs more white people because more white people would in some way be "better" and that's it. That's your entire argument. That more white people, purely because they're white, is what would make it better casting.

Hey Misty, please provide the EXACT quote where I say: "the movie is bad because it's not white enough for me" and then, after you fail at doing so, go fuck yourself you disingenuous lying twat.

It comes from my repeatedly asking you about your position, and you avoiding answering it, which leads one to the conclusion that what your statements look like are exactly what they are. I'd love to hear more from you on the actual topic though. Please do clarify. Do you think it's a flaw of this movie that it doesn't have more white people, or that it has too many black or Hispanic people in it?

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Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

Yeah, it's also a hard pass from me. There was a time when I could overlook that because there were other stuff where it balanced out, now? They can get bent.

Oh fucking puh-lease.

You all sound like the most whinny bitch racists ever right now.

This is bog standard Hollywood diversity casting thats been a thing for at least 3 iterations of SJWs trying to twist it out of shape. Theres nothing wrong with the casting other than the castings diversity is so weak kneed they went with people that at a glance you can barely tell are minorities. And one whos a minority only when the SJWs allow them to be.

They went the safest route possible and cast the whitest looking minorities they could lay hands on. Or would take the job.

As for the barbarian gal. Oh give me a fucking break. Shes a bog standard snarky amazon type. Nothing new here to get your panties in a knot over.

But no no no. Its all oh woe is me! Dem evil whammens is scarededing me!

Fuck sake the lot of you are going to make perfect little next wave SJWs.

The more I look at the trailer the more it looks like an IDW comic. And that is not a good thing.

Yes, you're right, this Maya is a white supremacist...

Or, hear me out, that's what I saw and those are my sincere opinions that have nothing to do with the characters' race but with the writting.

Or you could keep on trying to give me white guilt.

You might not be a white supremacist but you sure seem plenty racist. And don't even try and tell me Mexicans of Maya origin are not racist - I work with several, and you know I know there are plenty of racists in your part of the world. Often even more blatant than in America.

Are you actually trying to "white guilt" Mexicans now?

No, I am calling a racist a racist. No white guilt involved. Are you trying to argue only white people can be racist?

Holy cow, you are! ;D And I'm sure your Mexican co-workers absolutely loooooove it when you try to "white guilt" them. What would be the conservative talking point? "Mexicans are the real racists?"

Good grief, there's so much "derp" in this thread! ;D

Misty, quick! Call blacks "racist" next! At the very least, call the Chinese "racist" for rejecting this D&D train wreck....since the potential Chinese market for a D&D movie is HUGE. But if the Chinese mostly refuse to watch movies with blacks or various forms of racial mystery meat in them, then you can just label them as "white-adjacent" anyway....and thus, safely denigrate them as "racist".

Right? 8)

You know what? Just start calling people "Nazis", Misty. We all know you want to. ::)

Look, chief....I'll lay this out for you again. You cannot effectively shame people or "white guilt" people into consuming a corporate product. It doesn't work. It especially doesn't work when that Hasbro whistleblower revealed that the mega-corporation that controls the Dungeons & Dragons IP (in this case, Hasbro) is covertly trying to "social engineer" (brainwash) millions of people via neo-Marxist propaganda through branding and messaging. That's what CRT is for. The whistleblower was suspended for revealing this. What a surprise. ::)

Misty, when you denigrate someone as a "racist", you're basically casting a spell. Not a D&D spell, but you're using weaponized language as a form of psychological warfare....in order to win arguments, and break people's spirit. It's a classic neo-Marxist SJW demoralization tactic, and it's not very nice. And even worse, you're doubling down on it, against those "filthy Mexican Nazi Mayan racists!" Misty, your "magic demoralization attack word" ("racist!!") is not working, and is making you look like an ethically disingenuous neo-Marxist asshole. My advice to you would be to stop doubling down.

Like I said before, the "derp" in this thread is nearly beyond belief. 8)

Are you trying to argue only white people can be racist? It's a simple question which, despite your pages of ranting, you have yet to answer.

Oh, my God.....you're still doing it. ::)

Please. Make. It. Stop.

Misty, stop virtue signaling. Stop demanding that people submit to your neo-Marxist purity tests. It's very obnoxious. At this point, I think you know that the movie is just a giant exercise in neo-Marxist propaganda. I already discussed Hasbro covertly using CRT to "socially engineer" millions of people, and that's what this movie is for. That's the entire purpose of the creation of this D&D movie (aside from money laundering). I know you know this. So what did you do?

You tried to "white guilt" Mexicans about their "racism". And then you doubled down, like a pit bull in heat....and you still won't stop. Doubling down? Hell, you're even tripling down. ::)

And no, it's NOT a simple question. When you keep autistically repeating this:

Quote from: MistwellAre you trying to argue only white people can be racist?

That "question" you "asked" is not really a question, and we both know it. Just because you put a question mark at the end of your sentence doesn't mean that you're actually asking a question. You're being deliberately ethically disingenuous by using a slur ("racist!!"), under the guise of a question. You think I'm unaware of what you're really doing? I know exactly what you're doing, Misty, and I would suggest that you stop doing it.

When you call someone "racist", you are a using a SLUR, and you know it. You're intentionally using a term of denigration. You are using a demoralization tactic. In other words, you're engaging in psychological warfare. This is like a "socially acceptable" way of calling someone the "n-word" (while just "asking a simple question!" ::) ), and the only reason why it's "socially acceptable", is because westerners have been subject to intense neo-Marxist psychological warfare every single day for years. This psychological warfare is sometimes called "social justice", but I think the term is meant to be ironic.

And again, the weaponized use of the word, "racist", is like casting a spell, or using a curse against your opponent......for the purpose of crushing your target's morale. What you're doing is REPEATING THE MAGIC WORD OVER AND OVER AGAIN, so you can feign having the moral high ground......which we both know that you do not truly have. 8)

So yes, Misty, I did answer your so-called "question", but you just didn't like the answer. ;)

You're still distracting and ducking and strawmanning and doing everything you can to avoid answering the question. And yes, it is in fact a simple question. Do you think non-white people can be racist? It's a yes or no answer. I don't think anyone else here would have trouble answering that question including the guy we're talking about. I think we all agree of course non-white people can be racist. All except you, who is avoiding answering it like it's some trick. I guess because you feel guilty or something? Or maybe you're just an idiot.

And yes, calling someone a racist IS INTENDED AS AN INSULT. I have no idea why you think you're making some great point by mentioning that? I am saying he is a racist, and I absolutely mean that as an insult. Because being a racist, which he is, is not a good thing. And I am calling him that not-good-thing with intent. Not because it's false, but because it's true. And he should feel insulted by it. And maybe, yah know, stop being such a fucking racist?

And no, insulting someone by accurately calling them a racist is not "psychological warfare" you idiotic drama queen. Welcome to TheRPGSite. In case you were not aware, insulting people around here is not "psychological warfare," it is rather a day of the week ending in the letters "ay." And our insults tend to be best when they're accurate - like mine was and is. Much like calling you an idiot. Which you are.

I am signaling nothing by calling a racist a racist. It's the same signal I'd be sending if I called an idiot like you an idiot. There is no guilt, white or otherwise, involved in my calling that racist a racist. Just as there is no guilt involved in my calling you an idiot for being an idiot.

So yes, him arguing the movie is bad because it's not white enough for him is a racist statement. It doesn't matter what the color of his skin is, or his geographic or social or ethnic or religious background. It's still a racist thing to say regardless of those factors. And if you still think he can't be a racist because he's non-white, then you might be even more an idiot that you're coming across as in this thread. But I doubt you think that - I think you know damn well a non-white person can be a racist, and that he is a racist, and you'd rather not directly discuss those topics.

Also, this movie is likely to make a boatload of money, and that is the #1, #2 and #3 reasons for them making this movie. Your nonsense conspiracy theory that it's for Marxist propaganda and money laundering is just more evidence you're a fucking idiot.

You're still doing it. ;D

You didn't ask a question, Misty. You engaged in a line of attack, under the guise of a question. You launched an insult, under the guise of a question. You used a blatant neo-Marxist demoralization tactic, UNDER THE GUISE OF A QUESTION. ::)

You're not really here to discuss tabletop RPGs, are you, Misty? You don't seem interested in discussing D&D or the D&D movie. You only seem to care about pushing your precious "narrative". That's a shame.

But thank you for letting the mask slip a little, and for admitting that denigrating someone as a 'racist' is intended to be an INSULT. Well, if you insult a group or a person over and over and over and over again, then that's a demoralization tactic, Misty. That's psychological warfare.

I know you know this. We both know it. Why pretend otherwise? 8)

And by the way, you deliberately ignored what I said about Hasbro suspending that whistleblower for revealing their covert attempts at pushing CRT ("Critical Race Theory") propaganda through branding and messaging on children. I had a feeling you'd ignore it. ::) The whistleblower was black (which makes this funnier), and there are millions of people who resent being the targets of "social engineering", which is another term for BRAINWASHING. Well, why would a giant mega-corporation HIDE the fact that they're using propaganda against their customers, unless they were doing something evil? And yes, covertly pushing CRT propaganda to demoralize whites into believing they're all a bunch of filthy racists....is EVIL.

Again, Hasbro is the same company that utilized Chinese slave labor, the same company that manufactured and sold a pedo doll, the same company that had a bunch of PEDOPHILES in positions of influence and power in their Magic the Gathering Tournaments. And now Hasbro pushes weaponized CRT propaganda in their movie. Their precious little D&D movie is a delivery device for weaponized propaganda against the "racists". And who's a "racist"? A "racist" is anyone who rejects the "Narrative". You know what the so-called "Narrative" is, Misty, don'tcha? Of course you do, since you've been pushing it non-stop in this thread. ::)

If the movie fails, and people reject their precious anti-white "anti-racism" propaganda, then you can comfortably denigrate entire groups of people as "racist" for refusing to consume a corporate product. Of course, it might not "fail", since making money is NOT the primary goal of Hollywood ("Pedowood") any more. And besides, the men who control the banks control Pedowood, so they can just bail it out with a nearly endless amount of fiat currency. Or they can just do "ghost screenings" like they did for the "Captain Marvel" movie. Right? 8)

But that's ok, Misty. Keep insulting Mexicans as "racist" for refusing to watch the D&D movie. I'm sure that insulting Mexicans will make them want to watch the D&D movie so very much. But if that doesn't work, maybe you can insult blacks, whites, and Chinese as "racist"....and they'll be so ashamed of their "racism", that they'll rush out in droves to watch the movie.....as a form of penance. What a marketing strategy, right? ;D

What the actual fuck do you think is "anti-white" about this movie? It's not based on existing known characters whose race they're changing. It's a brand new story with brand new characters and nobody has had their race switched from anything to anything. So how is it anti-white to have the cast as it is? The only way to draw that conclusion is for you to be arguing it should be a more white cast, just because more white would in some way be "better".

And I am not insulting "Mexicans" I am insulting one guy from there. Unless you're Mexican? Because I sure am insulting you as well - just like you're insulting me. But it's only "psychological warfare" when I do it apparently. You whiney little drama queen bitch who can't take an insult without crying "psychological warfare!"

Didn't you say this to GeekyBugle on page 8? 8)

Quote from: MistwellYou might not be a white supremacist but you sure seem plenty racist. And don't even try and tell me Mexicans of Maya origin are not racist - I work with several, and you know I know there are plenty of racists in your part of the world. Often even more blatant than in America.

You already admitted that the term "racist" or "racism" is an insult, Misty. ;) You said this:

Quote from: MistwellAnd yes, calling someone a racist IS INTENDED AS AN INSULT.

So...yes, you insulted Mexicans. Do you really think insults will inspire people to go see a D&D movie? Boy, you really should work for Hasbro! :D And by the way, you deliberately ignored all the discussion of covert, weaponized CRT propaganda that Hasbro is engaging in....just like I knew you would. 8)

But at least now I know that there's no need for me to take you seriously any more. The thread is yours. 8)

I said PLENTY, not "ALL" or even "MOST". Add Weasel to the insults I am accurately describing you as.

And I note you didn't even attempt to address the topics I raised. Because there is nothing you have - you're arguing the movie needs more white people because more white people would in some way be "better" and that's it. That's your entire argument. That more white people, purely because they're white, is what would make it better casting.

Hey Misty, please provide the EXACT quote where I say: "the movie is bad because it's not white enough for me" and then, after you fail at doing so, go fuck yourself you disingenuous lying twat.

It comes from my repeatedly asking you about your position, and you avoiding answering it, which leads one to the conclusion that what your statements look like are exactly what they are. I'd love to hear more from you on the actual topic though. Please do clarify. Do you think it's a flaw of this movie that it doesn't have more white people, or that it has too many black or Hispanic people in it?

So, you admit you're putting words in my mouth, to fabricating wholecloth something to make me fit into your box. And then you end with "When did you stopped beating your wife?".

Like I said, you're a lying disingenuous twat and you can go fuck yourself.

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Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

Yeah, it's also a hard pass from me. There was a time when I could overlook that because there were other stuff where it balanced out, now? They can get bent.

Oh fucking puh-lease.

You all sound like the most whinny bitch racists ever right now.

This is bog standard Hollywood diversity casting thats been a thing for at least 3 iterations of SJWs trying to twist it out of shape. Theres nothing wrong with the casting other than the castings diversity is so weak kneed they went with people that at a glance you can barely tell are minorities. And one whos a minority only when the SJWs allow them to be.

They went the safest route possible and cast the whitest looking minorities they could lay hands on. Or would take the job.

As for the barbarian gal. Oh give me a fucking break. Shes a bog standard snarky amazon type. Nothing new here to get your panties in a knot over.

But no no no. Its all oh woe is me! Dem evil whammens is scarededing me!

Fuck sake the lot of you are going to make perfect little next wave SJWs.

The more I look at the trailer the more it looks like an IDW comic. And that is not a good thing.

Yes, you're right, this Maya is a white supremacist...

Or, hear me out, that's what I saw and those are my sincere opinions that have nothing to do with the characters' race but with the writting.

Or you could keep on trying to give me white guilt.

You might not be a white supremacist but you sure seem plenty racist. And don't even try and tell me Mexicans of Maya origin are not racist - I work with several, and you know I know there are plenty of racists in your part of the world. Often even more blatant than in America.

Are you actually trying to "white guilt" Mexicans now?

No, I am calling a racist a racist. No white guilt involved. Are you trying to argue only white people can be racist?

Holy cow, you are! ;D And I'm sure your Mexican co-workers absolutely loooooove it when you try to "white guilt" them. What would be the conservative talking point? "Mexicans are the real racists?"

Good grief, there's so much "derp" in this thread! ;D

Misty, quick! Call blacks "racist" next! At the very least, call the Chinese "racist" for rejecting this D&D train wreck....since the potential Chinese market for a D&D movie is HUGE. But if the Chinese mostly refuse to watch movies with blacks or various forms of racial mystery meat in them, then you can just label them as "white-adjacent" anyway....and thus, safely denigrate them as "racist".

Right? 8)

You know what? Just start calling people "Nazis", Misty. We all know you want to. ::)

Look, chief....I'll lay this out for you again. You cannot effectively shame people or "white guilt" people into consuming a corporate product. It doesn't work. It especially doesn't work when that Hasbro whistleblower revealed that the mega-corporation that controls the Dungeons & Dragons IP (in this case, Hasbro) is covertly trying to "social engineer" (brainwash) millions of people via neo-Marxist propaganda through branding and messaging. That's what CRT is for. The whistleblower was suspended for revealing this. What a surprise. ::)

Misty, when you denigrate someone as a "racist", you're basically casting a spell. Not a D&D spell, but you're using weaponized language as a form of psychological warfare....in order to win arguments, and break people's spirit. It's a classic neo-Marxist SJW demoralization tactic, and it's not very nice. And even worse, you're doubling down on it, against those "filthy Mexican Nazi Mayan racists!" Misty, your "magic demoralization attack word" ("racist!!") is not working, and is making you look like an ethically disingenuous neo-Marxist asshole. My advice to you would be to stop doubling down.

Like I said before, the "derp" in this thread is nearly beyond belief. 8)

Are you trying to argue only white people can be racist? It's a simple question which, despite your pages of ranting, you have yet to answer.

Oh, my God.....you're still doing it. ::)

Please. Make. It. Stop.

Misty, stop virtue signaling. Stop demanding that people submit to your neo-Marxist purity tests. It's very obnoxious. At this point, I think you know that the movie is just a giant exercise in neo-Marxist propaganda. I already discussed Hasbro covertly using CRT to "socially engineer" millions of people, and that's what this movie is for. That's the entire purpose of the creation of this D&D movie (aside from money laundering). I know you know this. So what did you do?

You tried to "white guilt" Mexicans about their "racism". And then you doubled down, like a pit bull in heat....and you still won't stop. Doubling down? Hell, you're even tripling down. ::)

And no, it's NOT a simple question. When you keep autistically repeating this:

Quote from: MistwellAre you trying to argue only white people can be racist?

That "question" you "asked" is not really a question, and we both know it. Just because you put a question mark at the end of your sentence doesn't mean that you're actually asking a question. You're being deliberately ethically disingenuous by using a slur ("racist!!"), under the guise of a question. You think I'm unaware of what you're really doing? I know exactly what you're doing, Misty, and I would suggest that you stop doing it.

When you call someone "racist", you are a using a SLUR, and you know it. You're intentionally using a term of denigration. You are using a demoralization tactic. In other words, you're engaging in psychological warfare. This is like a "socially acceptable" way of calling someone the "n-word" (while just "asking a simple question!" ::) ), and the only reason why it's "socially acceptable", is because westerners have been subject to intense neo-Marxist psychological warfare every single day for years. This psychological warfare is sometimes called "social justice", but I think the term is meant to be ironic.

And again, the weaponized use of the word, "racist", is like casting a spell, or using a curse against your opponent......for the purpose of crushing your target's morale. What you're doing is REPEATING THE MAGIC WORD OVER AND OVER AGAIN, so you can feign having the moral high ground......which we both know that you do not truly have. 8)

So yes, Misty, I did answer your so-called "question", but you just didn't like the answer. ;)

You're still distracting and ducking and strawmanning and doing everything you can to avoid answering the question. And yes, it is in fact a simple question. Do you think non-white people can be racist? It's a yes or no answer. I don't think anyone else here would have trouble answering that question including the guy we're talking about. I think we all agree of course non-white people can be racist. All except you, who is avoiding answering it like it's some trick. I guess because you feel guilty or something? Or maybe you're just an idiot.

And yes, calling someone a racist IS INTENDED AS AN INSULT. I have no idea why you think you're making some great point by mentioning that? I am saying he is a racist, and I absolutely mean that as an insult. Because being a racist, which he is, is not a good thing. And I am calling him that not-good-thing with intent. Not because it's false, but because it's true. And he should feel insulted by it. And maybe, yah know, stop being such a fucking racist?

And no, insulting someone by accurately calling them a racist is not "psychological warfare" you idiotic drama queen. Welcome to TheRPGSite. In case you were not aware, insulting people around here is not "psychological warfare," it is rather a day of the week ending in the letters "ay." And our insults tend to be best when they're accurate - like mine was and is. Much like calling you an idiot. Which you are.

I am signaling nothing by calling a racist a racist. It's the same signal I'd be sending if I called an idiot like you an idiot. There is no guilt, white or otherwise, involved in my calling that racist a racist. Just as there is no guilt involved in my calling you an idiot for being an idiot.

So yes, him arguing the movie is bad because it's not white enough for him is a racist statement. It doesn't matter what the color of his skin is, or his geographic or social or ethnic or religious background. It's still a racist thing to say regardless of those factors. And if you still think he can't be a racist because he's non-white, then you might be even more an idiot that you're coming across as in this thread. But I doubt you think that - I think you know damn well a non-white person can be a racist, and that he is a racist, and you'd rather not directly discuss those topics.

Also, this movie is likely to make a boatload of money, and that is the #1, #2 and #3 reasons for them making this movie. Your nonsense conspiracy theory that it's for Marxist propaganda and money laundering is just more evidence you're a fucking idiot.

You're still doing it. ;D

You didn't ask a question, Misty. You engaged in a line of attack, under the guise of a question. You launched an insult, under the guise of a question. You used a blatant neo-Marxist demoralization tactic, UNDER THE GUISE OF A QUESTION. ::)

You're not really here to discuss tabletop RPGs, are you, Misty? You don't seem interested in discussing D&D or the D&D movie. You only seem to care about pushing your precious "narrative". That's a shame.

But thank you for letting the mask slip a little, and for admitting that denigrating someone as a 'racist' is intended to be an INSULT. Well, if you insult a group or a person over and over and over and over again, then that's a demoralization tactic, Misty. That's psychological warfare.

I know you know this. We both know it. Why pretend otherwise? 8)

And by the way, you deliberately ignored what I said about Hasbro suspending that whistleblower for revealing their covert attempts at pushing CRT ("Critical Race Theory") propaganda through branding and messaging on children. I had a feeling you'd ignore it. ::) The whistleblower was black (which makes this funnier), and there are millions of people who resent being the targets of "social engineering", which is another term for BRAINWASHING. Well, why would a giant mega-corporation HIDE the fact that they're using propaganda against their customers, unless they were doing something evil? And yes, covertly pushing CRT propaganda to demoralize whites into believing they're all a bunch of filthy racists....is EVIL.

Again, Hasbro is the same company that utilized Chinese slave labor, the same company that manufactured and sold a pedo doll, the same company that had a bunch of PEDOPHILES in positions of influence and power in their Magic the Gathering Tournaments. And now Hasbro pushes weaponized CRT propaganda in their movie. Their precious little D&D movie is a delivery device for weaponized propaganda against the "racists". And who's a "racist"? A "racist" is anyone who rejects the "Narrative". You know what the so-called "Narrative" is, Misty, don'tcha? Of course you do, since you've been pushing it non-stop in this thread. ::)

If the movie fails, and people reject their precious anti-white "anti-racism" propaganda, then you can comfortably denigrate entire groups of people as "racist" for refusing to consume a corporate product. Of course, it might not "fail", since making money is NOT the primary goal of Hollywood ("Pedowood") any more. And besides, the men who control the banks control Pedowood, so they can just bail it out with a nearly endless amount of fiat currency. Or they can just do "ghost screenings" like they did for the "Captain Marvel" movie. Right? 8)

But that's ok, Misty. Keep insulting Mexicans as "racist" for refusing to watch the D&D movie. I'm sure that insulting Mexicans will make them want to watch the D&D movie so very much. But if that doesn't work, maybe you can insult blacks, whites, and Chinese as "racist"....and they'll be so ashamed of their "racism", that they'll rush out in droves to watch the movie.....as a form of penance. What a marketing strategy, right? ;D

What the actual fuck do you think is "anti-white" about this movie? It's not based on existing known characters whose race they're changing. It's a brand new story with brand new characters and nobody has had their race switched from anything to anything. So how is it anti-white to have the cast as it is? The only way to draw that conclusion is for you to be arguing it should be a more white cast, just because more white would in some way be "better".

And I am not insulting "Mexicans" I am insulting one guy from there. Unless you're Mexican? Because I sure am insulting you as well - just like you're insulting me. But it's only "psychological warfare" when I do it apparently. You whiney little drama queen bitch who can't take an insult without crying "psychological warfare!"

Didn't you say this to GeekyBugle on page 8? 8)

Quote from: MistwellYou might not be a white supremacist but you sure seem plenty racist. And don't even try and tell me Mexicans of Maya origin are not racist - I work with several, and you know I know there are plenty of racists in your part of the world. Often even more blatant than in America.

You already admitted that the term "racist" or "racism" is an insult, Misty. ;) You said this:

Quote from: MistwellAnd yes, calling someone a racist IS INTENDED AS AN INSULT.

So...yes, you insulted Mexicans. Do you really think insults will inspire people to go see a D&D movie? Boy, you really should work for Hasbro! :D And by the way, you deliberately ignored all the discussion of covert, weaponized CRT propaganda that Hasbro is engaging in....just like I knew you would. 8)

But at least now I know that there's no need for me to take you seriously any more. The thread is yours. 8)

I said PLENTY, not "ALL" or even "MOST". Add Weasel to the insults I am accurately describing you as.

And I note you didn't even attempt to address the topics I raised. Because there is nothing you have - you're arguing the movie needs more white people because more white people would in some way be "better" and that's it. That's your entire argument. That more white people, purely because they're white, is what would make it better casting.

Hey Misty, please provide the EXACT quote where I say: "the movie is bad because it's not white enough for me" and then, after you fail at doing so, go fuck yourself you disingenuous lying twat.

It comes from my repeatedly asking you about your position, and you avoiding answering it, which leads one to the conclusion that what your statements look like are exactly what they are. I'd love to hear more from you on the actual topic though. Please do clarify. Do you think it's a flaw of this movie that it doesn't have more white people, or that it has too many black or Hispanic people in it?

So, you admit you're putting words in my mouth, to fabricating wholecloth something to make me fit into your box. And then you end with "When did you stopped beating your wife?".

Like I said, you're a lying disingenuous twat and you can go fuck yourself.

See you did it again. You make what appears on its face to be a blatantly racist statement. You then claim that's not true, and when given the opportunity to clarify you just call me names and run away again like a coward who doesn't have the backbone to defend his views.

Yes, you're a fucking racist based on what you said. If you disagree, explain your position. We both know you won't though - because your position is "it's bad there are not more white people in this movie" which is blatantly racist. And if you disagree - then WHAT IS YOUR POSITION?

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Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

Yeah, it's also a hard pass from me. There was a time when I could overlook that because there were other stuff where it balanced out, now? They can get bent.

Oh fucking puh-lease.

You all sound like the most whinny bitch racists ever right now.

This is bog standard Hollywood diversity casting thats been a thing for at least 3 iterations of SJWs trying to twist it out of shape. Theres nothing wrong with the casting other than the castings diversity is so weak kneed they went with people that at a glance you can barely tell are minorities. And one whos a minority only when the SJWs allow them to be.

They went the safest route possible and cast the whitest looking minorities they could lay hands on. Or would take the job.

As for the barbarian gal. Oh give me a fucking break. Shes a bog standard snarky amazon type. Nothing new here to get your panties in a knot over.

But no no no. Its all oh woe is me! Dem evil whammens is scarededing me!

Fuck sake the lot of you are going to make perfect little next wave SJWs.

The more I look at the trailer the more it looks like an IDW comic. And that is not a good thing.

Yes, you're right, this Maya is a white supremacist...

Or, hear me out, that's what I saw and those are my sincere opinions that have nothing to do with the characters' race but with the writting.

Or you could keep on trying to give me white guilt.

You might not be a white supremacist but you sure seem plenty racist. And don't even try and tell me Mexicans of Maya origin are not racist - I work with several, and you know I know there are plenty of racists in your part of the world. Often even more blatant than in America.

Are you actually trying to "white guilt" Mexicans now?

No, I am calling a racist a racist. No white guilt involved. Are you trying to argue only white people can be racist?

Holy cow, you are! ;D And I'm sure your Mexican co-workers absolutely loooooove it when you try to "white guilt" them. What would be the conservative talking point? "Mexicans are the real racists?"

Good grief, there's so much "derp" in this thread! ;D

Misty, quick! Call blacks "racist" next! At the very least, call the Chinese "racist" for rejecting this D&D train wreck....since the potential Chinese market for a D&D movie is HUGE. But if the Chinese mostly refuse to watch movies with blacks or various forms of racial mystery meat in them, then you can just label them as "white-adjacent" anyway....and thus, safely denigrate them as "racist".

Right? 8)

You know what? Just start calling people "Nazis", Misty. We all know you want to. ::)

Look, chief....I'll lay this out for you again. You cannot effectively shame people or "white guilt" people into consuming a corporate product. It doesn't work. It especially doesn't work when that Hasbro whistleblower revealed that the mega-corporation that controls the Dungeons & Dragons IP (in this case, Hasbro) is covertly trying to "social engineer" (brainwash) millions of people via neo-Marxist propaganda through branding and messaging. That's what CRT is for. The whistleblower was suspended for revealing this. What a surprise. ::)

Misty, when you denigrate someone as a "racist", you're basically casting a spell. Not a D&D spell, but you're using weaponized language as a form of psychological warfare....in order to win arguments, and break people's spirit. It's a classic neo-Marxist SJW demoralization tactic, and it's not very nice. And even worse, you're doubling down on it, against those "filthy Mexican Nazi Mayan racists!" Misty, your "magic demoralization attack word" ("racist!!") is not working, and is making you look like an ethically disingenuous neo-Marxist asshole. My advice to you would be to stop doubling down.

Like I said before, the "derp" in this thread is nearly beyond belief. 8)

Are you trying to argue only white people can be racist? It's a simple question which, despite your pages of ranting, you have yet to answer.

Oh, my God.....you're still doing it. ::)

Please. Make. It. Stop.

Misty, stop virtue signaling. Stop demanding that people submit to your neo-Marxist purity tests. It's very obnoxious. At this point, I think you know that the movie is just a giant exercise in neo-Marxist propaganda. I already discussed Hasbro covertly using CRT to "socially engineer" millions of people, and that's what this movie is for. That's the entire purpose of the creation of this D&D movie (aside from money laundering). I know you know this. So what did you do?

You tried to "white guilt" Mexicans about their "racism". And then you doubled down, like a pit bull in heat....and you still won't stop. Doubling down? Hell, you're even tripling down. ::)

And no, it's NOT a simple question. When you keep autistically repeating this:

Quote from: MistwellAre you trying to argue only white people can be racist?

That "question" you "asked" is not really a question, and we both know it. Just because you put a question mark at the end of your sentence doesn't mean that you're actually asking a question. You're being deliberately ethically disingenuous by using a slur ("racist!!"), under the guise of a question. You think I'm unaware of what you're really doing? I know exactly what you're doing, Misty, and I would suggest that you stop doing it.

When you call someone "racist", you are a using a SLUR, and you know it. You're intentionally using a term of denigration. You are using a demoralization tactic. In other words, you're engaging in psychological warfare. This is like a "socially acceptable" way of calling someone the "n-word" (while just "asking a simple question!" ::) ), and the only reason why it's "socially acceptable", is because westerners have been subject to intense neo-Marxist psychological warfare every single day for years. This psychological warfare is sometimes called "social justice", but I think the term is meant to be ironic.

And again, the weaponized use of the word, "racist", is like casting a spell, or using a curse against your opponent......for the purpose of crushing your target's morale. What you're doing is REPEATING THE MAGIC WORD OVER AND OVER AGAIN, so you can feign having the moral high ground......which we both know that you do not truly have. 8)

So yes, Misty, I did answer your so-called "question", but you just didn't like the answer. ;)

You're still distracting and ducking and strawmanning and doing everything you can to avoid answering the question. And yes, it is in fact a simple question. Do you think non-white people can be racist? It's a yes or no answer. I don't think anyone else here would have trouble answering that question including the guy we're talking about. I think we all agree of course non-white people can be racist. All except you, who is avoiding answering it like it's some trick. I guess because you feel guilty or something? Or maybe you're just an idiot.

And yes, calling someone a racist IS INTENDED AS AN INSULT. I have no idea why you think you're making some great point by mentioning that? I am saying he is a racist, and I absolutely mean that as an insult. Because being a racist, which he is, is not a good thing. And I am calling him that not-good-thing with intent. Not because it's false, but because it's true. And he should feel insulted by it. And maybe, yah know, stop being such a fucking racist?

And no, insulting someone by accurately calling them a racist is not "psychological warfare" you idiotic drama queen. Welcome to TheRPGSite. In case you were not aware, insulting people around here is not "psychological warfare," it is rather a day of the week ending in the letters "ay." And our insults tend to be best when they're accurate - like mine was and is. Much like calling you an idiot. Which you are.

I am signaling nothing by calling a racist a racist. It's the same signal I'd be sending if I called an idiot like you an idiot. There is no guilt, white or otherwise, involved in my calling that racist a racist. Just as there is no guilt involved in my calling you an idiot for being an idiot.

So yes, him arguing the movie is bad because it's not white enough for him is a racist statement. It doesn't matter what the color of his skin is, or his geographic or social or ethnic or religious background. It's still a racist thing to say regardless of those factors. And if you still think he can't be a racist because he's non-white, then you might be even more an idiot that you're coming across as in this thread. But I doubt you think that - I think you know damn well a non-white person can be a racist, and that he is a racist, and you'd rather not directly discuss those topics.

Also, this movie is likely to make a boatload of money, and that is the #1, #2 and #3 reasons for them making this movie. Your nonsense conspiracy theory that it's for Marxist propaganda and money laundering is just more evidence you're a fucking idiot.

You're still doing it. ;D

You didn't ask a question, Misty. You engaged in a line of attack, under the guise of a question. You launched an insult, under the guise of a question. You used a blatant neo-Marxist demoralization tactic, UNDER THE GUISE OF A QUESTION. ::)

You're not really here to discuss tabletop RPGs, are you, Misty? You don't seem interested in discussing D&D or the D&D movie. You only seem to care about pushing your precious "narrative". That's a shame.

But thank you for letting the mask slip a little, and for admitting that denigrating someone as a 'racist' is intended to be an INSULT. Well, if you insult a group or a person over and over and over and over again, then that's a demoralization tactic, Misty. That's psychological warfare.

I know you know this. We both know it. Why pretend otherwise? 8)

And by the way, you deliberately ignored what I said about Hasbro suspending that whistleblower for revealing their covert attempts at pushing CRT ("Critical Race Theory") propaganda through branding and messaging on children. I had a feeling you'd ignore it. ::) The whistleblower was black (which makes this funnier), and there are millions of people who resent being the targets of "social engineering", which is another term for BRAINWASHING. Well, why would a giant mega-corporation HIDE the fact that they're using propaganda against their customers, unless they were doing something evil? And yes, covertly pushing CRT propaganda to demoralize whites into believing they're all a bunch of filthy racists....is EVIL.

Again, Hasbro is the same company that utilized Chinese slave labor, the same company that manufactured and sold a pedo doll, the same company that had a bunch of PEDOPHILES in positions of influence and power in their Magic the Gathering Tournaments. And now Hasbro pushes weaponized CRT propaganda in their movie. Their precious little D&D movie is a delivery device for weaponized propaganda against the "racists". And who's a "racist"? A "racist" is anyone who rejects the "Narrative". You know what the so-called "Narrative" is, Misty, don'tcha? Of course you do, since you've been pushing it non-stop in this thread. ::)

If the movie fails, and people reject their precious anti-white "anti-racism" propaganda, then you can comfortably denigrate entire groups of people as "racist" for refusing to consume a corporate product. Of course, it might not "fail", since making money is NOT the primary goal of Hollywood ("Pedowood") any more. And besides, the men who control the banks control Pedowood, so they can just bail it out with a nearly endless amount of fiat currency. Or they can just do "ghost screenings" like they did for the "Captain Marvel" movie. Right? 8)

But that's ok, Misty. Keep insulting Mexicans as "racist" for refusing to watch the D&D movie. I'm sure that insulting Mexicans will make them want to watch the D&D movie so very much. But if that doesn't work, maybe you can insult blacks, whites, and Chinese as "racist"....and they'll be so ashamed of their "racism", that they'll rush out in droves to watch the movie.....as a form of penance. What a marketing strategy, right? ;D

What the actual fuck do you think is "anti-white" about this movie? It's not based on existing known characters whose race they're changing. It's a brand new story with brand new characters and nobody has had their race switched from anything to anything. So how is it anti-white to have the cast as it is? The only way to draw that conclusion is for you to be arguing it should be a more white cast, just because more white would in some way be "better".

And I am not insulting "Mexicans" I am insulting one guy from there. Unless you're Mexican? Because I sure am insulting you as well - just like you're insulting me. But it's only "psychological warfare" when I do it apparently. You whiney little drama queen bitch who can't take an insult without crying "psychological warfare!"

Didn't you say this to GeekyBugle on page 8? 8)

Quote from: MistwellYou might not be a white supremacist but you sure seem plenty racist. And don't even try and tell me Mexicans of Maya origin are not racist - I work with several, and you know I know there are plenty of racists in your part of the world. Often even more blatant than in America.

You already admitted that the term "racist" or "racism" is an insult, Misty. ;) You said this:

Quote from: MistwellAnd yes, calling someone a racist IS INTENDED AS AN INSULT.

So...yes, you insulted Mexicans. Do you really think insults will inspire people to go see a D&D movie? Boy, you really should work for Hasbro! :D And by the way, you deliberately ignored all the discussion of covert, weaponized CRT propaganda that Hasbro is engaging in....just like I knew you would. 8)

But at least now I know that there's no need for me to take you seriously any more. The thread is yours. 8)

I said PLENTY, not "ALL" or even "MOST". Add Weasel to the insults I am accurately describing you as.

And I note you didn't even attempt to address the topics I raised. Because there is nothing you have - you're arguing the movie needs more white people because more white people would in some way be "better" and that's it. That's your entire argument. That more white people, purely because they're white, is what would make it better casting.

Hey Misty, please provide the EXACT quote where I say: "the movie is bad because it's not white enough for me" and then, after you fail at doing so, go fuck yourself you disingenuous lying twat.

It comes from my repeatedly asking you about your position, and you avoiding answering it, which leads one to the conclusion that what your statements look like are exactly what they are. I'd love to hear more from you on the actual topic though. Please do clarify. Do you think it's a flaw of this movie that it doesn't have more white people, or that it has too many black or Hispanic people in it?

So, you admit you're putting words in my mouth, to fabricating wholecloth something to make me fit into your box. And then you end with "When did you stopped beating your wife?".

Like I said, you're a lying disingenuous twat and you can go fuck yourself.

See you did it again. You make what appears on its face to be a blatantly racist statement. You then claim that's not true, and when given the opportunity to clarify you just call me names and run away again like a coward who doesn't have the backbone to defend his views.

Yes, you're a fucking racist based on what you said. If you disagree, explain your position. We both know you won't though - because your position is "it's bad there are not more white people in this movie" which is blatantly racist. And if you disagree - then WHAT IS YOUR POSITION?

An objective problem that this movie is causing is the increasing of carpal tunnel cases.

Can you guys go get yourselves banned somewhere else

I really hate the Infinity mirror quote boxes look or thing.

It makes this thread very difficult to follow or even read.

- Ed C.

Quote from: Koltar on July 29, 2022, 10:44:42 AM
I really hate the Infinity mirror quote boxes look or thing.

It makes this thread very difficult to follow or even read.

- Ed C.

It's basically just people calling each other racist for not liking the trailer. You're not missing much. ;)

How in the heck is two posters arguing over which one is racist on the topic of this thread?  I mean, if someone wanted to post a thread in Pundit's Forum about whether Mistwell was a disingenuous knob, that would be one thing.  But to have SHARK banned (though hopefully reinstated now) for asking a question and to have this thread become unreadable from this spat...

Quote from: Mistwell on July 29, 2022, 12:47:28 AM

Yes, you're a fucking racist based on what you said. If you disagree, explain your position. We both know you won't though - because your position is "it's bad there are not more white people in this movie" which is blatantly racist. And if you disagree - then WHAT IS YOUR POSITION?

Prove I said that. What is it? You can't? And off to the ignore list you go, I'm not getting myself banned because of your lying disingenuous twat assholery.

Quote from: Koltar on July 29, 2022, 10:44:42 AM
I really hate the Infinity mirror quote boxes look or thing.

It makes this thread very difficult to follow or even read.

- Ed C.

^^THIS^^

When the mirror quotes start, I zone out.

Dudes, learn to parse your quotes.  Yes, it is a PiTA with the way this site works, but think of the children homies.

Oh, and I give this movie a 50/50 chance of doing well...

If you can tell by a trailer that a movie is going to be good, you see things I don't. I have been duped into terrible movies by great trailers countless times. We'll see when the movie hits, but I thought the trailer looked fine (and sounded great).

The only cringe was Michelle Rodriguez, but I have never liked her. Seeing some of the iconic monsters in modern CGI was cool. Pine and Grant are the lead protagonist/antagonist, and are almost always great. Justice Smith can deliver good lines ("We're not compatible" may be the best line in the second Jurassic World movie), although I'm not sold on him in a carrying role.

I sure as hell am not going to read anything on the prior couple pages that quote and look like that, but I'm not sure where race comes into that trailer at all.

That said, and admittedly without evidence, there will likely be woke crap it in because there is always woke crap in things not named Top Gun: Maverick.

Lots of time between now and March. So if the good people making the movie are reading this, and they suffered through the Great Racist Quote War, there is still time! Edit for entertainment! Nobody should fuck up a movie with that cast.

Maybe my negative reaction to the trailer means I don't actually like brand-name D&D. Movies like Conan the Barbarian, Excalibur, Krull, Dragon Slayer, or even Ladyhawke better reflect the games I play and run (D&D and other, mostly other) than this movie.

I would have much preferred practical effects. But toy/game tie-ins and CGI are bread and butter. This is a Marvel-like money making venture, not a work of art. So, my expectations are misplaced.

The monsters also seem like nothing more than cameos. How many brand-name monsters can we fit in this thing? The dragon and its acid breath, I admit is well done.

Quote from: Koltar on July 29, 2022, 10:44:42 AM
I really hate the Infinity mirror quote boxes look or thing.

It makes this thread very difficult to follow or even read.

- Ed C.

Fair point. I will make an attempt to stop quoting beyond the post I am directly responding to.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 29, 2022, 12:48:11 PM


Prove I said that. What is it? You can't? And off to the ignore list you go, I'm not getting myself banned because of your lying disingenuous twat assholery.

Dude, WHAT IS YOUR POSITION CONCERNING RACE AND THIS MOVIE? If you don't agree with my characterization of your position, that's fine then just say what your position is. And I have no idea why people are talking about a ban - we're talking about the movie that is the subject of this thread, which is the D&D movie. That looks like yet another excuse to not talk about your position with regard to the movie and run away. Again.

Quote from: Mistwell on July 29, 2022, 02:51:23 PM

Fair point. I will make an attempt to stop quoting beyond the post I am directly responding to.

Thank you

-Ed C.

So here is where this part of the topic started. First, SHARK said:

Quote from: SHARK on July 22, 2022, 09:46:03 PM

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

To which GeekyBugle replied:

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 22, 2022, 10:17:50 PM

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

Yeah, it's also a hard pass from me. There was a time when I could overlook that because there were other stuff where it balanced out, now? They can get bent.

To me, that looked pretty racist. But, after repeated opportunities for GeekyBugle to clarify that position, he won't.

You guys are wasting too much time on this argument. It's a freakin trailer. Who knows what the actual movie holds.

Chris Pine looks like an Ocean's 11 George Clooney-esque type of leader of the party. A bit of a rascal, sometimes subject to a bit if ribbing or joking, but in the end he keeps the party on target and wins the day.

Quote from: Mistwell on July 29, 2022, 03:01:45 PM
To me, that looked pretty racist. But, after repeated opportunities for GeekyBugle to clarify that position, he won't.

It's never a good idea to get in the middle of a knife fight, but what the hell.

At this point, you need to clarify why you think he's being racist. Up here in the bleachers, it looks like you are trying to invoke the "magic R word" to win an argument.

Looks kind of fun to me, and the creatures look true to the source.

Shad/Shadiversity has the perfect reaction to the flying sword: https://odysee.com/@Shadiversity:d/they-did-it-again-!-!-dungeons-and:9

Legion of Myth guys not impressed either: https://odysee.com/@legionofmyth:c/98-2-d-d-movie-trailer-reaction-is:0

Quote from: FingerRod on July 29, 2022, 01:31:28 PM
If you can tell by a trailer that a movie is going to be good, you see things I don't. I have been duped into terrible movies by great trailers countless times.

It's almost impossible to tell for sure if a movie will be good from a trailer, BUT the trailer alone is often enough to tell if it's going to be bad.

The trailer looks fun and it doesn't make me think it'll be bad. Definitely worth keeping an eye out for, but I won't be super shocked if it ends up being sub-par either.

The impression I got from this trailer is that this is going to be just a popcorn flick. Potentially fun, but probably forgettable, and hopefully (likely?) not as terrible as other D&D films.

But trailers can lie, and they rarely (never?) make a film look worse than it is. And this doesn't look like it's going to have a spectacular story. Just mindless fun at best.

Quote from: Mistwell on July 29, 2022, 03:01:45 PM
To which GeekyBugle replied:

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 22, 2022, 10:17:50 PM

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

Yeah, it's also a hard pass from me. There was a time when I could overlook that because there were other stuff where it balanced out, now? They can get bent.

To me, that looked pretty racist. But, after repeated opportunities for GeekyBugle to clarify that position, he won't.

He's obviously not racist, and it's hard to believe you genuinely think he is and aren't just trolling him (very successfully). This isn't like the spat BedrockBrendan had with me years ago, where he good-faith (but mistakenly) associated stuff I'd said with stuff people he knew had said from racist motivations. I think you came up with "I think your statement is racist, so you're racist - prove you're not" in order to annoy & upset him, not from any genuine belief.

Quote from: Zelen on July 29, 2022, 08:32:15 PM
Shad/Shadiversity has the perfect reaction to the flying sword: https://odysee.com/@Shadiversity:d/they-did-it-again-!-!-dungeons-and:9

Legion of Myth guys not impressed either: https://odysee.com/@legionofmyth:c/98-2-d-d-movie-trailer-reaction-is:0

Yeah, wasn't a fan of it in "The Sword and the Sorcerer" back in '82, and it doesn't seem any cooler now.

Quote from: Zelen on July 29, 2022, 08:32:15 PM
Shad/Shadiversity has the perfect reaction to the flying sword: https://odysee.com/@Shadiversity:d/they-did-it-again-!-!-dungeons-and:9

Legion of Myth guys not impressed either: https://odysee.com/@legionofmyth:c/98-2-d-d-movie-trailer-reaction-is:0

In defense, Shad is very hard on fantasy depictions of weaponry.

Quote from: Longshadow on July 30, 2022, 08:23:38 AM

Quote from: Zelen on July 29, 2022, 08:32:15 PM
Shad/Shadiversity has the perfect reaction to the flying sword: https://odysee.com/@Shadiversity:d/they-did-it-again-!-!-dungeons-and:9

Legion of Myth guys not impressed either: https://odysee.com/@legionofmyth:c/98-2-d-d-movie-trailer-reaction-is:0

Yeah, wasn't a fan of it in "The Sword and the Sorcerer" back in '82, and it doesn't seem any cooler now.

I loved "The Sword and the Sorceror." It was so cool that I bought a copy.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 30, 2022, 09:43:11 AM

Quote from: Zelen on July 29, 2022, 08:32:15 PM
Shad/Shadiversity has the perfect reaction to the flying sword: https://odysee.com/@Shadiversity:d/they-did-it-again-!-!-dungeons-and:9

Legion of Myth guys not impressed either: https://odysee.com/@legionofmyth:c/98-2-d-d-movie-trailer-reaction-is:0

In defense, Shad is very hard on fantasy depictions of weaponry.

He's right about the flying sword, though. It's just silly on every level, and doesn't even look cool. At least the ridiculous, over-large barbarian great axe gets by on cool factor. But what function does shooting your sword blade and being left with a tiny dirk even accomplish? That isn't even a D&D thing. It looks shoehorned in.

Seems like no-one is going to enjoy watching the D&D film  https://kotaku.com/dnd-movie-honor-among-thieves-trailer-marvel-1849345237 (https://kotaku.com/dnd-movie-honor-among-thieves-trailer-marvel-1849345237)

Quote from: ponta1010 on July 30, 2022, 06:45:38 PM
Seems like no-one is going to enjoy watching the D&D film  https://kotaku.com/dnd-movie-honor-among-thieves-trailer-marvel-1849345237 (https://kotaku.com/dnd-movie-honor-among-thieves-trailer-marvel-1849345237)

  Well, "D&D is special because we can make it about us" is definitely a take on the hobby. I'm not certain it's right, wrong, or both...

Quote from: ponta1010 on July 30, 2022, 06:45:38 PM
Seems like no-one is going to enjoy watching the D&D film  https://kotaku.com/dnd-movie-honor-among-thieves-trailer-marvel-1849345237 (https://kotaku.com/dnd-movie-honor-among-thieves-trailer-marvel-1849345237)

Now that Wokaku is skeptic I have more hopes for this movie.

Quote from: Charon's Little Helper on July 29, 2022, 11:34:29 PM
It's almost impossible to tell for sure if a movie will be good from a trailer, BUT the trailer alone is often enough to tell if it's going to be bad.s up being sub-par either.

I have to remind people of the fact that the Phantom Menace trailer was probably one of the best one and a half minutes of film of the last 20+ years.

And then we saw the movie.

They should have hired Home Free to do the sound track.  I'm sure they'd be willing to work as extras, too:  Home Free - Brother (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjkO1EN2Ne0).

To do "goofy" right, you've first got to love the source material, not make your first move to deconstruct it.

Quote from: BronzeDragon on July 31, 2022, 07:13:05 AM

Quote from: Charon's Little Helper on July 29, 2022, 11:34:29 PM
It's almost impossible to tell for sure if a movie will be good from a trailer, BUT the trailer alone is often enough to tell if it's going to be bad.s up being sub-par either.

I have to remind people of the fact that the Phantom Menace trailer was probably one of the best one and a half minutes of film of the last 20+ years.

And then we saw the movie.

One fact that almost everyone agrees with regarding the Prequels, today, is that the plot itself was very good. Back then the idea that "a Star Wars plot revolved around a commercial dispute" was derided but, once you see the whole story, it is clear that Lucas had a tale to tell.

The Prequels failed in everything else: plot development (the way the plot was told redefined the concept of plot hole), atrocious dialogue, casting, the choice to do everything with CG, spaceship designs, actors' direction (only Ian McDiarmid was good as Palpatine and I guess that, given his background, he directed himself), you name it. But the plot was sound and the trailer was about the plot.

The trailer for this D&D movie has, IMHO, a merit: it makes you understand what they want to do and the overall idea of the plot. Let's say that I'm fine with their approach, I just hope that they will pull it off.

Quote from: Reckall on July 31, 2022, 09:02:24 AM
One fact that almost everyone agrees with regarding the Prequels, today, is that the plot itself was very good. Back then the idea that "a Star Wars plot revolved around a commercial dispute" was derided but, once you see the whole story, it is clear that Lucas had a tale to tell.

The Prequels failed in everything else: plot development (the way the plot was told redefined the concept of plot hole), atrocious dialogue, casting, the choice to do everything with CG, spaceship designs, actors' direction (only Ian McDiarmid was good as Palpatine and I guess that, given his background, he directed himself), you name it. But the plot was sound and the trailer was about the plot.

Yes, the underlying story Lucas wanted to tell was perfectly fine. Basically a greek tragedy.

In hindsight it is obvious that he needed a "No" man around to curb some of his other "artistic" tendencies...

The original trilogy benefitted from the fact that Lucas was restrained in several aspects of what he could do. Dedicated and talented script writers to flesh out his story ideas, directors that could bring his vision to the screen. And budget restrictions that meant they had to get creative with all the above to be able to tell the story well within their means.

For the prequels, Lucas had none of that. He was too damn rich. He financed it himself, and did whatever he wanted with no restraining hand to dial back any misguided decisions.

If he had followed the same approach use for the first three films the prequels would have been a much higher quality in the end.

Luckily for Lucas the prequels were redeemed by the pedomouse trilogy...

Quote from: Reckall on July 31, 2022, 09:02:24 AM
The trailer for this D&D movie has, IMHO, a merit: it makes you understand what they want to do and the overall idea of the plot. Let's say that I'm fine with their approach, I just hope that they will pull it off.

Well, this remains to be seen...

I'm really kind 'meh' on the movie.

In my opinion it looks exactly like a reflection of how current year 5e D&D is presented by WotC and live pay streamers.

Probably a few too many human race "PC's" in the group; But they do have to try and sell it to the normies, so concessions must be made.

It's really the D&D ignorant normie audience that they need to pull into the theaters for the film to be a real success. I'm not sure what the budget is, just going by the trailer it doesn't look lie they really cheaped out on anything, so it will have to do fairly well to get into the black.

To be fair, making a D&D movie is an extremely dicey proposition.

If you make a Dragonlance Chronicles attempt, people will tar it for "ripping off LotR!".

If you make a sober "realistic" piece with limited fantastical stuff, people will tear it apart for "ripping off GoT!" and the fans will rip it for toning down the magic that would set it apart.

If you do what they seem to be doing and keep it lighthearted and semi-gonzo, you risk being too silly for anyone to truly enjoy, or not silly enough and run into tone issues.

All in all, it's a daunting task.

Quote from: BronzeDragon on July 31, 2022, 07:48:21 PM
To be fair, making a D&D movie is an extremely dicey proposition.

If you make a Dragonlance Chronicles attempt, people will tar it for "ripping off LotR!".

If you make a sober "realistic" piece with limited fantastical stuff, people will tear it apart for "ripping off GoT!" and the fans will rip it for toning down the magic that would set it apart.

If you do what they seem to be doing and keep it lighthearted and semi-gonzo, you risk being too silly for anyone to truly enjoy, or not silly enough and run into tone issues.

All in all, it's a daunting task.

I think we can agree on these sentiments. Especially considering Hollyweird's questionable decision making, design philosophy, and accounting.

Quote from: Steven Mitchell on July 31, 2022, 08:11:57 AM
To do "goofy" right, you've first got to love the source material, not make your first move to deconstruct it.

You don't need to deconstruct D&D to have it be goofy, goofy has always been there from Melf the Elf and Sir Fang the vampire to chompy treasure chests and monsters based on cheap plastic toys and puns.

Quote from: Manic Modron on August 01, 2022, 03:39:59 PM
You don't need to deconstruct D&D to have it be goofy, goofy has always been there from Melf the Elf and Sir Fang the vampire to chompy treasure chests and monsters based on cheap plastic toys and puns.

This is true.

D&D has always been gonzo fantasy.

Not as gonzo as stuff like Chaalt or world of the last sun, but the default D&D world has always been a high fantasy gonzo mash-up of different fantasy genre's all blended together.

Quote from: Manic Modron on August 01, 2022, 03:39:59 PM

Quote from: Steven Mitchell on July 31, 2022, 08:11:57 AM
To do "goofy" right, you've first got to love the source material, not make your first move to deconstruct it.

You don't need to deconstruct D&D to have it be goofy, goofy has always been there from Melf the Elf and Sir Fang the vampire to chompy treasure chests and monsters based on cheap plastic toys and puns.

That's not my point.  Goofy works when it is in appreciation for the thing.  Of course D&D movies can be a little goofy.  Trying to deconstruct the goofiness of D&D as a thing in itself without first appreciating where the goofy comes from is the issue.

Quote from: BronzeDragon on July 31, 2022, 07:48:21 PM
To be fair, making a D&D movie is an extremely dicey proposition.

If you make a Dragonlance Chronicles attempt, people will tar it for "ripping off LotR!"

Any D&D movie will have at least two things in common with LotR: races and a fellowship. IMHO Dragonlance was the proof that you could take D&D and use its basic elements as building blocks for your own story - as nothing like that was ever seen before (or after, in a way). Pity that they burned that bridge with amateurish adaptations: I don't see a reason why DL couldn't be the basis for a good Netflix show aimed at a YA audience.

QuoteTo be fair, making a D&D movie is an extremely dicey proposition.

If you make a Dragonlance Chronicles attempt, people will tar it for "ripping off LotR!".

If you make a sober "realistic" piece with limited fantastical stuff, people will tear it apart for "ripping off GoT!" and the fans will rip it for toning down the magic that would set it apart.

If you do what they seem to be doing and keep it lighthearted and semi-gonzo, you risk being too silly for anyone to truly enjoy, or not silly enough and run into tone issues.

All in all, it's a daunting task.

So basically... any new fantasy movies?

Quote from: Adeptus on August 02, 2022, 10:51:09 AM
So basically... any new fantasy movies?

Yes.

The only real difference would be a reputation/familiarity attached to D&D by the current popularity of the game.

If you wanted to make a movie version of say, Shannara, you'd run into many of the same issues, but fewer people are actually familiar with Brooks' lore/tone/idiosyncrasies.

P.S. : I'm often reminded of Pratchett's description of the fantasy genre post-Tolkien, "J.R.R. Tolkien has become a sort of mountain, appearing in all subsequent fantasy in the way that Mt. Fuji appears so often in Japanese prints. Sometimes it's big and up close. Sometimes it's a shape on the horizon. Sometimes it's not there at all, which means that the artist either has made a deliberate decision against the mountain, which is interesting in itself, or is in fact standing on Mt. Fuji."

Quote from: BronzeDragon on August 02, 2022, 12:03:50 PM

Quote from: Adeptus on August 02, 2022, 10:51:09 AM
So basically... any new fantasy movies?

Yes.

The only real difference would be a reputation/familiarity attached to D&D by the current popularity of the game.

If you wanted to make a movie version of say, Shannara, you'd run into many of the same issues, but fewer people are actually familiar with Brooks' lore/tone/idiosyncrasies.

I didn't like "The Sword of Shannara" when I was a kid because it was a bad copy of LotR (how Brooks was never sued for plagiarism is beyond me). However, I totally loved "The Elfstones of Shannara" (which, in a sort of poetic justice, was in turn plagiarised by many plots I saw afterwards). I guess that I read it when I was of the right age, but it was a great YA novel.

The above to say that the "Shannara" streaming show, which was based on "Elfstones" was a pile of turd. They had one job: take a really well written plot with decent characters and turn it into a fantasy show with elves and magic. What they did was to turn it into what they believed were the sensibilities of modern audiences - i.e. "Every teen character is bitchy, whiny and thoroughly aggravating because today teens are such." Not only the characters in the book are all flawed but determined to push on, you just offended your target audience. It sank.

Of course "Foundation" sank, "The Wheel of Time" sank, and "The Rings of Powers" is literally the Titanic (up to the "they are trying to rearrange the chairs on the deck" moment). I think that, given the needed experience, I could show run a decent adaptation of "Dragonlance"; I simply don't think that it could be done today.

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That more white people, purely because they're white, is what would make it better casting.

"More diverse people, purely because they're diverse, is what would make it better casting."

This is exactly what PLENTY of people in the film industry believe, and this DnD flick, at least at first blush, appears to be no different. Yet somehow I don't think you'll call them racist. You are either willfully ignorant of this blindspot in your judgment, or you're certifiably retarded.

Don't bother responding, I won't entertain your nonsense.

Does it really, though? Cuz this is D&D, and the film is set at the Forgotten Realms, which has a pretty diverse landmass, not some entirely quasi-European setting. So it's not entirely outside the realm of possibility for there to be non-white characters in it. This isn't like trying to stick black people into the Witcher, which is supposed to be based on quasi-medieval Poland. And the story isn't even set on an established IP where they're race swapping characters, but an entirely new thing.

The only reason for people to jump into the conclusions they've been hyper ventilating about in this thread from just watching this trailer is the cultural context we're currently living on and a heavy dose of being overly invested in the culture war. But there's not enough in the trailer itself to so strongly draw these conclusions on, other than "OMG! They made fun of the lead character! And he's white!!! And they're not!"

Sorry for the late response. Busy busy week.

Just to reiterate my position: I think the trailer looks fine. The movie looks like dumb fun. I have absolutely no issues with the cast, but I'm also not going to pretend that "diversity" wasn't brought up during the casting-call (we're still talking about Hollywood here, and they haven't changed their tune). I also don't see any of this "poking fun at the white man" in the trailer; it looks more like "poking fun at the bard," and that's very relatable. The rest of the banter is quite tame, and I swear that whole "I make plans" bit was stolen from another movie (it sounded very familiar, but I can't place it).

Was my previous statement colored by the culture-war? Yes, it was. I think at this point it's naive to NOT assume some agenda is being injected into films and TV. Is the trailer as aggregious as some are painting it out to be? No, it's not. Sometimes the anti-woke can be just as insufferable as the woke.

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Of course "Foundation" sank, "The Wheel of Time" sank, and "The Rings of Powers" is literally the Titanic (up to the "they are trying to rearrange the chairs on the deck" moment). I think that, given the needed experience, I could show run a decent adaptation of "Dragonlance"; I simply don't think that it could be done today.

Just to clarify, I agree with you that Dragonlance Chronicles could be done in a very satisfactory way. I also agree that today that's right out the window.

It would still be slammed for being a "rip-off" of Tolkien, but it certainly could be good. I'm sure Raistlin would be a hit with the angsty crowd.

Foundation sank because it was on Apple TV+, which I only watched because I had a free one year subscription with my MacBook computer purchase. It also had nothing in common with the Asimov novels except for the name.

Wheel of Time was terrible. I stopped watching halfway into the first episode.

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Foundation sank because it was on Apple TV+, which I only watched because I had a free one year subscription with my MacBook computer purchase. It also had nothing in common with the Asimov novels except for the name.

"The Morning Show" was on Apple+ too and it did well. Interestingly enough, it was a reflection about if the whole "woke/#metoo" brouhaha is going too far.

"Foundation" was atrocious. You can't race/gender/age/ideology swap Salvor Hardin without having the roof caving on your head (Hardin in the show sees violence as a tool exactly as wokes do: a good thing if it serves you; what made him a unique character in the book was his belief that "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent, full stop", and how he never betrays it).

Gaal Dornick (rage/gender swapped) basically "invents" mathematics out of thin air and then she is kept alive through so many plot contortions that the show hasn't plot holes but lacerations. Why? Mystery.

The irony is that the only good part of the plot is the Emperor story and Lee Pace acting - which isn't a perverted part of the plot but directly made up (Jared Harris as Hari Seldon would have been perfect, too, but the writing is atrocious). No one of these showrunners, however, will ever do an original show: they know that they are hacks and never in the life they would renounce to the name of a famous franchise.

So the consensus seems to be that the most likely outcome is that the movie will be about the same as the other stuff Hollywood puts out.  Which means for me that my initial reaction of sitting it out is probably correct, since I consider it a rare film these days from that crowd that isn't drivel, fantasy or otherwise.

I have an idea for a D&D movie plot line: "The party is hired to map unknown territory. The area might once have been familiar but is now overrun or destroyed; a strange tower might mysteriously appear overnight in a familiar area."



(From Moldvay's Basic Set, p. B51)