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I detest Tieflings, but they've been around for over 20 years now. There's not much we can do about it.

Sure you can.  They don't exist in my campaign world.

The second best solution IMHO, right after my own: They exist, it just so happens they are ALL evil.

They would certainly work as a demonic sort of race, but I haven't had reason to include them yet.

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Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

Yeah, it's also a hard pass from me. There was a time when I could overlook that because there were other stuff where it balanced out, now? They can get bent.

Oh fucking puh-lease.

You all sound like the most whinny bitch racists ever right now.

This is bog standard Hollywood diversity casting thats been a thing for at least 3 iterations of SJWs trying to twist it out of shape. Theres nothing wrong with the casting other than the castings diversity is so weak kneed they went with people that at a glance you can barely tell are minorities. And one whos a minority only when the SJWs allow them to be.

They went the safest route possible and cast the whitest looking minorities they could lay hands on. Or would take the job.

As for the barbarian gal. Oh give me a fucking break. Shes a bog standard snarky amazon type. Nothing new here to get your panties in a knot over.

But no no no. Its all oh woe is me! Dem evil whammens is scarededing me!

Fuck sake the lot of you are going to make perfect little next wave SJWs.

The more I look at the trailer the more it looks like an IDW comic. And that is not a good thing.

Yes, you're right, this Maya is a white supremacist...

Or, hear me out, that's what I saw and those are my sincere opinions that have nothing to do with the characters' race but with the writting.

Or you could keep on trying to give me white guilt.

You might not be a white supremacist but you sure seem plenty racist. And don't even try and tell me Mexicans of Maya origin are not racist - I work with several, and you know I know there are plenty of racists in your part of the world. Often even more blatant than in America.

Are you actually trying to "white guilt" Mexicans now?

No, I am calling a racist a racist. No white guilt involved. Are you trying to argue only white people can be racist?

Holy cow, you are! And I'm sure your Mexican co-workers absolutely loooooove it when you try to "white guilt" them. What would be the conservative talking point? "Mexicans are the real racists?"

Good grief, there's so much "derp" in this thread!

Misty, quick! Call blacks "racist" next! At the very least, call the Chinese "racist" for rejecting this D&D train wreck....since the potential Chinese market for a D&D movie is HUGE. But if the Chinese mostly refuse to watch movies with blacks or various forms of racial mystery meat in them, then you can just label them as "white-adjacent" anyway....and thus, safely denigrate them as "racist".

Right?

You know what? Just start calling people "Nazis", Misty. We all know you want to.

Look, chief....I'll lay this out for you again. You cannot effectively shame people or "white guilt" people into consuming a corporate product. It doesn't work. It especially doesn't work when that Hasbro whistleblower revealed that the mega-corporation that controls the Dungeons & Dragons IP (in this case, Hasbro) is covertly trying to "social engineer" (brainwash) millions of people via neo-Marxist propaganda through branding and messaging. That's what CRT is for. The whistleblower was suspended for revealing this. What a surprise.

Misty, when you denigrate someone as a "racist", you're basically casting a spell. Not a D&D spell, but you're using weaponized language as a form of psychological warfare....in order to win arguments, and break people's spirit. It's a classic neo-Marxist SJW demoralization tactic, and it's not very nice. And even worse, you're doubling down on it, against those "filthy Mexican Nazi Mayan racists!" Misty, your "magic demoralization attack word" ("racist!!") is not working, and is making you look like an ethically disingenuous neo-Marxist asshole. My advice to you would be to stop doubling down.

Like I said before, the "derp" in this thread is nearly beyond belief.

Are you trying to argue only white people can be racist? It's a simple question which, despite your pages of ranting, you have yet to answer.

Oh, my God.....you're still doing it.

Please. Make. It. Stop.

Misty, stop virtue signaling. Stop demanding that people submit to your neo-Marxist purity tests. It's very obnoxious. At this point, I think you know that the movie is just a giant exercise in neo-Marxist propaganda. I already discussed Hasbro covertly using CRT to "socially engineer" millions of people, and that's what this movie is for. That's the entire purpose of the creation of this D&D movie (aside from money laundering). I know you know this. So what did you do?

You tried to "white guilt" Mexicans about their "racism". And then you doubled down, like a pit bull in heat....and you still won't stop. Doubling down? Hell, you're even tripling down.

And no, it's NOT a simple question. When you keep autistically repeating this:

Quote from: MistwellAre you trying to argue only white people can be racist?

That "question" you "asked" is not really a question, and we both know it. Just because you put a question mark at the end of your sentence doesn't mean that you're actually asking a question. You're being deliberately ethically disingenuous by using a slur ("racist!!"), under the guise of a question. You think I'm unaware of what you're really doing? I know exactly what you're doing, Misty, and I would suggest that you stop doing it.

When you call someone "racist", you are a using a SLUR, and you know it. You're intentionally using a term of denigration. You are using a demoralization tactic. In other words, you're engaging in psychological warfare. This is like a "socially acceptable" way of calling someone the "n-word" (while just "asking a simple question!" ), and the only reason why it's "socially acceptable", is because westerners have been subject to intense neo-Marxist psychological warfare every single day for years. This psychological warfare is sometimes called "social justice", but I think the term is meant to be ironic.

And again, the weaponized use of the word, "racist", is like casting a spell, or using a curse against your opponent......for the purpose of crushing your target's morale. What you're doing is REPEATING THE MAGIC WORD OVER AND OVER AGAIN, so you can feign having the moral high ground......which we both know that you do not truly have.

So yes, Misty, I did answer your so-called "question", but you just didn't like the answer.

I'll watch it.  I'll probably enjoy it.  Same as I watched and enjoyed the first two D&D movies.  Or Flash Gordon (with soundtrack by Queen). 

I have low movie standards, it doesn't take a lot for my imagination to take over and fill holes opened by bad scripts or cinematography.

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And WTF is their obsession with thieves? Weren't the characters from the other D&D film also thieves? Why can't the leader of a generic AF D&D film ever be a paladin? Not my favorite class, but if you're gonna go generic why not portray a champion of justice leading a band of brave heroes undertaking a daring quest to save the land from evil? And then have the thief be an opportunistic tagalong, like it usually is in classic D&D? Why must the centerpiece be thieves? Has anyone here ever played a game where the party lead was actually a thief? And if you actually have, how often did that happen compared to any other D&D campaign you ever ran into?

It's an easy way to make a group of 3-6 characters going off and doing something alone make sense in an epic fantasy world. Movies have a different style of verisimilitude than a TTRPG.

If you want the premise to be epic - you need some sort of excuse that a small group of characters are doing the important parts rather than massive armies.

In modern day movies they usually go with spies or the anti-hero con-man variant. (Ex: Mission Impossible.) In fantasy stories they go with thieves.

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And WTF is their obsession with thieves? Weren't the characters from the other D&D film also thieves? Why can't the leader of a generic AF D&D film ever be a paladin? Not my favorite class, but if you're gonna go generic why not portray a champion of justice leading a band of brave heroes undertaking a daring quest to save the land from evil? And then have the thief be an opportunistic tagalong, like it usually is in classic D&D? Why must the centerpiece be thieves? Has anyone here ever played a game where the party lead was actually a thief? And if you actually have, how often did that happen compared to any other D&D campaign you ever ran into?

It's an easy way to make a group of 3-6 characters going off and doing something alone make sense in an epic fantasy world. Movies have a different style of verisimilitude than a TTRPG.

If you want the premise to be epic - you need some sort of excuse that a small group of adventurers is doing the important parts rather than massive fantasy armies.

I remember a funny piece, from back in the day, that described any group of PCs as "people who enter a dungeon, brutalise its dwellers and come back with their treasure" (this when pieces like this were meant to be funny, not part of a lecture). So, D&D is its most classic meaning can be seen as the adventures of a group of thieves even if there is no "Thief" in the party. Add the "we stole the wrong object for the wrong person" trope you see here (another staple of D&D) and I get the vibes I already mentioned: the portrayal of people rolling dice and having fun.

For some reason, the scene where a character "heroically" attacks a dragon alone reminds me of those moments when a 3rd level character says: "I attack the dragon!" "Uh... You have to roll a natural 20 to hit the VERY ANCIENT dra..." "This is my lucky die! (kisses it) Banzai!"

Maybe the scene will turn out to be something different but I would be disappointed. Anyway, I would have written it also as "how the character sees himself" - another classic.

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I detest Tieflings, but they've been around for over 20 years now. There's not much we can do about it.

Sure you can.  They don't exist in my campaign world.

The second best solution IMHO, right after my own: They exist, it just so happens they are ALL evil.

They would certainly work as a demonic sort of race, but I haven't had reason to include them yet.

In one of the settings I work on (a thinly-veiled expy of Arda), I reflavored all the PC races to be "demikind." Basically the equivalent of Star Trek's rubber forehead aliens. They all look like humans in cheaper makeup or camera tricks. Other humanoids that look more extreme are monsters and there's racial tensions between the pretty demikind and the ugly humanoids.

Tieflings and dragonborn in my setting can pass for human very easily. The tieflings only have minor demonic features like horns or tails or whatever that are usually easy to conceal. The dragonborns are similar, like the dragonblooded human characters in the later Dragonheart movies: they may have patches of scales on their bodies or something along those lines that is easy to conceal.

In the backstory of the setting, it's very similar to Arda where Not!Lucifer tried to take over the world and bred a variety of slave races to do so. The tieflings and dragonborn were among those races but were considered failures because they were too difficult to control. They were later freed from bondage and joined the alliance of free peoples, so they don't experience any more discrimination than other demikind do. In the cursed lands of Gothmor (the Mordor expy), there are still cultures of upper-class tieflings and dragonborns who worship the dark lord (comparable to the Black Numenoreans).

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I detest Tieflings, but they've been around for over 20 years now. There's not much we can do about it.

Sure you can.  They don't exist in my campaign world.

Mine either. In 1e they are monster Alu-Demons or Cambions, not Player Characters.

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Quote from: VisionStorm on July 21, 2022, 06:16:08 PM
And WTF is their obsession with thieves? Weren't the characters from the other D&D film also thieves? Why can't the leader of a generic AF D&D film ever be a paladin? Not my favorite class, but if you're gonna go generic why not portray a champion of justice leading a band of brave heroes undertaking a daring quest to save the land from evil? And then have the thief be an opportunistic tagalong, like it usually is in classic D&D? Why must the centerpiece be thieves? Has anyone here ever played a game where the party lead was actually a thief? And if you actually have, how often did that happen compared to any other D&D campaign you ever ran into?

It's an easy way to make a group of 3-6 characters going off and doing something alone make sense in an epic fantasy world. Movies have a different style of verisimilitude than a TTRPG.

If you want the premise to be epic - you need some sort of excuse that a small group of adventurers is doing the important parts rather than massive fantasy armies.

I remember a funny piece, from back in the day, that described any group of PCs as "people who enter a dungeon, brutalise its dwellers and come back with their treasure" (this when pieces like this were meant to be funny, not part of a lecture). So, D&D is its most classic meaning can be seen as the adventures of a group of thieves even if there is no "Thief" in the party. Add the "we stole the wrong object for the wrong person" trope you see here (another staple of D&D) and I get the vibes I already mentioned: the portrayal of people rolling dice and having fun.

For some reason, the scene where a character "heroically" attacks a dragon alone reminds me of those moments when a 3rd level character says: "I attack the dragon!" "Uh... You have to roll a natural 20 to hit the VERY ANCIENT dra..." "This is my lucky die! (kisses it) Banzai!"

Maybe the scene will turn out to be something different but I would be disappointed. Anyway, I would have written it also as "how the character sees himself" - another classic.

I tried to address this to some extent or another in various posts, but while the game may allow or even unwittingly encourage such play styles in practice there's a difference between what players might do in actual play and what the implied thematic focus of the game is, as well as what's a marketable story or what makes sense or would work best from the point of view of writing a good story, as opposed to players doing a bunch of random shit at the table in between eating snack or poking fun at each other. Players (usually) aren't professional actors or authors, and they're not trying to write a good story or acting out a theatrical play. They're playing a game and whatever story arises from their game play is going to be haphazard and purely incidental.

When making a movie about D&D or writing a script for said movie the focus shouldn't be what players do in an actual game session (which would be boring AF for anyone not taking part of play), but telling a story that thematically aligns with the implicit focus of the game. And while there might be much looting going on in a typical D&D session the underlying incentive or excuse for going to whatever place the PCs end up looting stuff in a classic D&D adventure is usually some danger that needs to be addressed, such as rescuing some kidnapped villagers, investigating some disappearances that have been talking place near an abandoned crypt, stopping a band of bandits that have been terrorizing a town, etc. All of this implies that PCs in a typical D&D game are supposed to be heroes in a dogooder sense, and that looting is secondary to the implied focus of the game.

Coming from this perspective, and taking into account that this is a movie, not a game session we're actually participating on, I think that characters in a D&D film—or at least the leaders of such a band—should be portrayed as heroes undertaking dangerous quests to vanquish evil as their primary motivation, while more mercenary characters motivated by wealth should be tagalongs recruited by the main hero, rather than everyone in the group being a band of thieves that incidentally end up trying to vanquish evil. And that the tone should be serious, rather than having characters constantly poke snarky fun at each other cuz that's what players who're not professional actors or authors would do at a table while playing a game that's not really a coherent story with audiences watching at a big screen.

Quote from: S'mon on July 26, 2022, 03:40:36 AM
It seems pretty faithful to 5e D&D, which I don't have an objection to. WoTC were doing weird Diversity Casting in their adventures for years, this seems to be just following that. I am a bit surprised how cheap it looks, but that may have been a deliberate decision to go with the comedy vibe and distinguish it from LOTR.

I'm not sure "cheap" is the right word. It looks gaudy, which is 99% of all 5e artwork. My guess is it's intentional.

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Greetings!

Of course white people are being marginalized. In film, music, in academia, business, everywhere, white people are discriminated against, and vilified.

Hell, we have an Editor at the NYT, Jong I think her name is--that wrote on her Twitter that white people are the problem in society, and that white people should be exterminated. Women everywhere should not breed with white men.

She kept her job, and was applauded and celebrated for her vicious hatred and racism.

So, yeah. I imagine the D&D movie will show all kinds of minorities and women as being "stunning and brave"--while white men especially are laughed at and depicted as incometent doofuses. Naturally, according to the Woke, if you are a minority, you are special, and uber, and beautiful, and if you are white, you are inferior.

I don't have high expectations for the D&D movie.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You too on the "this isn't white enough for me" train?

So disappointed.

Greetings!

No, I'm not on any train. I am, however, disgusted with the constant shrieking throughout society about how great minorities and "POC", "BIPOC" and women are--and how terrible and inferior white people are, especially white men. This bullshit has been going on for awhile now, and it is disgusting. I've read all kinds of articles about business, colleges, music, movie and Hollywood, where white people, especially white men--are hated and mocked, while women, and "BIPOC" are praised to the fucking heavens, and endlessly and constantly celebrated as fucking beautiful, uber, and wonderful in every way.

It's flat out fucking racism.

So, while I'm not on any train, if white men are depicted as idiots in this D&D movie, it isn't surprising to me. I like normal, happy people, and normal, appropriate stories. I'm not a fan of racist fucking morons, or bullshit racist garbage that masquerades as "academic truth" or popular entertainment, of whatever kind, and in whatever medium or venue.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings hermano, well put!

I saw the trailer, let me tell you about it:

The only white (and lets be honest, he's straight) male on the good guy's side is an incompetent bufoon, constantly outshined by everybody and emasculated by the stunning and brave stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish.

Yeah, it's also a hard pass from me. There was a time when I could overlook that because there were other stuff where it balanced out, now? They can get bent.

Oh fucking puh-lease.

You all sound like the most whinny bitch racists ever right now.

This is bog standard Hollywood diversity casting thats been a thing for at least 3 iterations of SJWs trying to twist it out of shape. Theres nothing wrong with the casting other than the castings diversity is so weak kneed they went with people that at a glance you can barely tell are minorities. And one whos a minority only when the SJWs allow them to be.

They went the safest route possible and cast the whitest looking minorities they could lay hands on. Or would take the job.

As for the barbarian gal. Oh give me a fucking break. Shes a bog standard snarky amazon type. Nothing new here to get your panties in a knot over.

But no no no. Its all oh woe is me! Dem evil whammens is scarededing me!

Fuck sake the lot of you are going to make perfect little next wave SJWs.

The more I look at the trailer the more it looks like an IDW comic. And that is not a good thing.

Yes, you're right, this Maya is a white supremacist...

Or, hear me out, that's what I saw and those are my sincere opinions that have nothing to do with the characters' race but with the writting.

Or you could keep on trying to give me white guilt.

You might not be a white supremacist but you sure seem plenty racist. And don't even try and tell me Mexicans of Maya origin are not racist - I work with several, and you know I know there are plenty of racists in your part of the world. Often even more blatant than in America.

Are you actually trying to "white guilt" Mexicans now?

No, I am calling a racist a racist. No white guilt involved. Are you trying to argue only white people can be racist?

Holy cow, you are! And I'm sure your Mexican co-workers absolutely loooooove it when you try to "white guilt" them. What would be the conservative talking point? "Mexicans are the real racists?"

Good grief, there's so much "derp" in this thread!

Misty, quick! Call blacks "racist" next! At the very least, call the Chinese "racist" for rejecting this D&D train wreck....since the potential Chinese market for a D&D movie is HUGE. But if the Chinese mostly refuse to watch movies with blacks or various forms of racial mystery meat in them, then you can just label them as "white-adjacent" anyway....and thus, safely denigrate them as "racist".

Right?

You know what? Just start calling people "Nazis", Misty. We all know you want to.

Look, chief....I'll lay this out for you again. You cannot effectively shame people or "white guilt" people into consuming a corporate product. It doesn't work. It especially doesn't work when that Hasbro whistleblower revealed that the mega-corporation that controls the Dungeons & Dragons IP (in this case, Hasbro) is covertly trying to "social engineer" (brainwash) millions of people via neo-Marxist propaganda through branding and messaging. That's what CRT is for. The whistleblower was suspended for revealing this. What a surprise.

Misty, when you denigrate someone as a "racist", you're basically casting a spell. Not a D&D spell, but you're using weaponized language as a form of psychological warfare....in order to win arguments, and break people's spirit. It's a classic neo-Marxist SJW demoralization tactic, and it's not very nice. And even worse, you're doubling down on it, against those "filthy Mexican Nazi Mayan racists!" Misty, your "magic demoralization attack word" ("racist!!") is not working, and is making you look like an ethically disingenuous neo-Marxist asshole. My advice to you would be to stop doubling down.

Like I said before, the "derp" in this thread is nearly beyond belief.

Are you trying to argue only white people can be racist? It's a simple question which, despite your pages of ranting, you have yet to answer.

Oh, my God.....you're still doing it.

Please. Make. It. Stop.

Misty, stop virtue signaling. Stop demanding that people submit to your neo-Marxist purity tests. It's very obnoxious. At this point, I think you know that the movie is just a giant exercise in neo-Marxist propaganda. I already discussed Hasbro covertly using CRT to "socially engineer" millions of people, and that's what this movie is for. That's the entire purpose of the creation of this D&D movie (aside from money laundering). I know you know this. So what did you do?

You tried to "white guilt" Mexicans about their "racism". And then you doubled down, like a pit bull in heat....and you still won't stop. Doubling down? Hell, you're even tripling down.

And no, it's NOT a simple question. When you keep autistically repeating this:

Quote from: MistwellAre you trying to argue only white people can be racist?

That "question" you "asked" is not really a question, and we both know it. Just because you put a question mark at the end of your sentence doesn't mean that you're actually asking a question. You're being deliberately ethically disingenuous by using a slur ("racist!!"), under the guise of a question. You think I'm unaware of what you're really doing? I know exactly what you're doing, Misty, and I would suggest that you stop doing it.

When you call someone "racist", you are a using a SLUR, and you know it. You're intentionally using a term of denigration. You are using a demoralization tactic. In other words, you're engaging in psychological warfare. This is like a "socially acceptable" way of calling someone the "n-word" (while just "asking a simple question!" ), and the only reason why it's "socially acceptable", is because westerners have been subject to intense neo-Marxist psychological warfare every single day for years. This psychological warfare is sometimes called "social justice", but I think the term is meant to be ironic.

And again, the weaponized use of the word, "racist", is like casting a spell, or using a curse against your opponent......for the purpose of crushing your target's morale. What you're doing is REPEATING THE MAGIC WORD OVER AND OVER AGAIN, so you can feign having the moral high ground......which we both know that you do not truly have.

So yes, Misty, I did answer your so-called "question", but you just didn't like the answer.

You're still distracting and ducking and strawmanning and doing everything you can to avoid answering the question. And yes, it is in fact a simple question. Do you think non-white people can be racist? It's a yes or no answer. I don't think anyone else here would have trouble answering that question including the guy we're talking about. I think we all agree of course non-white people can be racist. All except you, who is avoiding answering it like it's some trick. I guess because you feel guilty or something? Or maybe you're just an idiot.

And yes, calling someone a racist IS INTENDED AS AN INSULT. I have no idea why you think you're making some great point by mentioning that? I am saying he is a racist, and I absolutely mean that as an insult. Because being a racist, which he is, is not a good thing. And I am calling him that not-good-thing with intent. Not because it's false, but because it's true. And he should feel insulted by it. And maybe, yah know, stop being such a fucking racist?

And no, insulting someone by accurately calling them a racist is not "psychological warfare" you idiotic drama queen. Welcome to TheRPGSite. In case you were not aware, insulting people around here is not "psychological warfare," it is rather a day of the week ending in the letters "ay." And our insults tend to be best when they're accurate - like mine was and is. Much like calling you an idiot. Which you are.

I am signaling nothing by calling a racist a racist. It's the same signal I'd be sending if I called an idiot like you an idiot. There is no guilt, white or otherwise, involved in my calling that racist a racist. Just as there is no guilt involved in my calling you an idiot for being an idiot.

So yes, him arguing the movie is bad because it's not white enough for him is a racist statement. It doesn't matter what the color of his skin is, or his geographic or social or ethnic or religious background. It's still a racist thing to say regardless of those factors. And if you still think he can't be a racist because he's non-white, then you might be even more an idiot that you're coming across as in this thread. But I doubt you think that - I think you know damn well a non-white person can be a racist, and that he is a racist, and you'd rather not directly discuss those topics.

Also, this movie is likely to make a boatload of money, and that is the #1, #2 and #3 reasons for them making this movie. Your nonsense conspiracy theory that it's for Marxist propaganda and money laundering is just more evidence you're a fucking idiot.

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Does anyone fancy a pint?

  You all are trying to hypnotize me through quoting these concentric rectangles!

I won't give in! The trailer looks like shit! I will not try green eggs and ham! 

(And yes, I too absolutely loved 1980 Flash Gordon movie.  But that was a labor of love and devotion to source 4-color comic material. I cannot imagine that sort of love and devotion in our flakey and lazy contemporary popular society.  I don't think the youngins being hired can hack it.)

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I tried to address this to some extent or another in various posts, but while the game may allow or even unwittingly encourage such play styles in practice there's a difference between what players might do in actual play and what the implied thematic focus of the game is, as well as what's a marketable story or what makes sense or would work best from the point of view of writing a good story, as opposed to players doing a bunch of random shit at the table in between eating snack or poking fun at each other. Players (usually) aren't professional actors or authors, and they're not trying to write a good story or acting out a theatrical play. They're playing a game and whatever story arises from their game play is going to be haphazard and purely incidental.

I disagree with the last statement, as I could take parts from long running D&D campaign or whole adventures from my current Call of Cthulhu one and turn them into perfectly serious stories (we are actually planning to turn one from CoC into a graphic novel). Maybe that since the late '90s my players mostly work in the comic book sector helps but I can easily think of examples from RPGs I played before.

And I agree that seriousness and D&D are not mutually exclusive. I have always maintained that for 3E to come out along with "The Lord of the Rings" movies was a stroke of luck (I lost count at the time of the number of female players who were playing a male elf ranger...) The very reason why, personally, I like 3E Forgotten Realms the most is because they are written like a historical setting.

Yet, that's one approach to storytelling. If you want to be closer to the goofiness endemic to a group of players around a table then there are other cinematic approaches. "Guardians of the Galaxy" is directly quoted as an inspiration (and GotG has seriously dramatic moments). "Big Trouble in Little China" is another. The stories about the early life of Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser (a direct influence on D&D) show the two in a state of arrested adolescence, with drinking, feasting, wenching, brawling, stealing, and gambling as their main occupation (so, in a way, this movie is even more mature that that). And the list could go on.

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When making a movie about D&D or writing a script for said movie the focus shouldn't be what players do in an actual game session (which would be boring AF for anyone not taking part of play), but telling a story that thematically aligns with the implicit focus of the game. And while there might be much looting going on in a typical D&D session the underlying incentive or excuse for going to whatever place the PCs end up looting stuff in a classic D&D adventure is usually some danger that needs to be addressed.

I'm losing you here, as this is what the trailer implies about the plot. The group is tasked to retrieve some artifact (specifically "steal it"), they get it only to discover that it ends up in the hands of some powerful evil dude, they have to fix the mess. This is sheer D&D. As many have pointed out, Chris Pine sports a Harper's pin so he is a do gooder (Harpers mostly exist fix messes outside and above the law).

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Coming from this perspective, and taking into account that this is a movie, not a game session we're actually participating on, I think that characters in a D&D film—or at least the leaders of such a band—should be portrayed as heroes undertaking dangerous quests to vanquish evil as their primary motivation, while more mercenary characters motivated by wealth should be tagalongs recruited by the main hero, rather than everyone in the group being a band of thieves that incidentally end up trying to vanquish evil. And that the tone should be serious, rather than having characters constantly poke snarky fun at each other cuz that's what players who're not professional actors or authors would do at a table while playing a game that's not really a coherent story with audiences watching at a big screen.

This is how you see a D&D session or campaign and it is a perfectly fine approach. Just don't assume that it is the only one. And if they give us enough moments where we can say "yeah, I saw that in my games" without losing the cinematic language, all the better.

In a recent CoC session a player was about to explain his plan when he noticed that another player was fiddling with his phone (a crime at my table). So he told him:

"Look into my eyes! What I was saying?"
"I don't know..."
"Because I was saying nothing! Pay attention! PAY ATTENTION!"

...And this is a dialogue I would use 1:1 in a movie.

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Does anyone fancy a pint?

As long as it's not this "hazy IPA" bullshit. The goal of making good beer is to REMOVE the stuff they're calling "hazy" and who intentionally makes their beer bitter by adding more hops? Give me an Imperial Stout any day and I'm in

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Does anyone fancy a pint?

As long as it's not this "hazy IPA" bullshit. The goal of making good bear is to REMOVE the stuff they're calling "hazy" and who intentionally makes their beer bitter by adding more hops? Give me an Imperial Stout any day and I'm in

WTF?!? IPAs are delicious—the greatest alcoholic beverage ever invented! The more hops the better. Imperial IPAs > Imperial Stouts any day of the week.