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The Absence of Lolth, in D&D 5E?

Started by Jam The MF, February 15, 2024, 04:04:58 PM

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Svenhelgrim

#15
February 17, 2024, 03:01:05 AM
You could always just make up your own stats for Lolth.  You would probably do a much better job of it than anybody at Hazards-of-the-Bro. 

Jam The MF

#16
February 17, 2024, 12:56:22 PM Last Edit: February 17, 2024, 01:03:06 PM by Jam The MF
Quote from: Svenhelgrim on February 17, 2024, 03:01:05 AM
You could always just make up your own stats for Lolth.  You would probably do a much better job of it than anybody at Hazards-of-the-Bro.

10-4

I wonder if anyone else in the 5E "community", has already done the same?  Surely they have?  Hmm.....  Evidently; a person on Reddit did so, 8 years ago.  Checking it out, now.
Let the Dice, Decide the Outcome.  Accept the Results.

Svenhelgrim

#17
February 17, 2024, 02:46:47 PM
Quote from: Jam The MF on February 17, 2024, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: Svenhelgrim on February 17, 2024, 03:01:05 AM
You could always just make up your own stats for Lolth.  You would probably do a much better job of it than anybody at Hazards-of-the-Bro.

10-4

I wonder if anyone else in the 5E "community", has already done the same?  Surely they have?  Hmm.....  Evidently; a person on Reddit did so, 8 years ago.  Checking it out, now.

You know your party better than anyone in Renton Washington does.  You can create something that will challenge them while the official stance would be to create some weak-statted version of the Spider Queen. 

Exploderwizard

#18
February 17, 2024, 11:37:50 PM
Quote from: Svenhelgrim on February 17, 2024, 02:46:47 PM
Quote from: Jam The MF on February 17, 2024, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: Svenhelgrim on February 17, 2024, 03:01:05 AM
You could always just make up your own stats for Lolth.  You would probably do a much better job of it than anybody at Hazards-of-the-Bro.

10-4

I wonder if anyone else in the 5E "community", has already done the same?  Surely they have?  Hmm.....  Evidently; a person on Reddit did so, 8 years ago.  Checking it out, now.

You know your party better than anyone in Renton Washington does.  You can create something that will challenge them while the official stance would be to create some weak-statted version of the Spider Queen.

To be completely fair the original AD&D only gave her a measley 66 hit points. IMHO she never qualified as a goddess stat wise. There were regular demons tougher than she was.
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Jam The MF

#19
February 17, 2024, 11:43:02 PM Last Edit: February 17, 2024, 11:54:02 PM by Jam The MF
Per the Fan write up, referred to by the user on Reddit:

AC 20
HP 532

Str 16
Dex 25
Con 21
Int 30
Wis 26
Cha 30

Dex Save Bonus +9
Wis Save Bonus +17

CR 30

Legendary Resistance 5x per Day
Spider Climb
Can Take 1 Reaction on Every Turn in Combat
Many Immunities
Many Resistances

Etc......
Let the Dice, Decide the Outcome.  Accept the Results.

Svenhelgrim

#20
February 18, 2024, 05:44:26 AM
Quote from: Exploderwizard on February 17, 2024, 11:37:50 PM
Quote from: Svenhelgrim on February 17, 2024, 02:46:47 PM
Quote from: Jam The MF on February 17, 2024, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: Svenhelgrim on February 17, 2024, 03:01:05 AM
You could always just make up your own stats for Lolth.  You would probably do a much better job of it than anybody at Hazards-of-the-Bro.

10-4

I wonder if anyone else in the 5E "community", has already done the same?  Surely they have?  Hmm.....  Evidently; a person on Reddit did so, 8 years ago.  Checking it out, now.

You know your party better than anyone in Renton Washington does.  You can create something that will challenge them while the official stance would be to create some weak-statted version of the Spider Queen.

To be completely fair the original AD&D only gave her a measley 66 hit points. IMHO she never qualified as a goddess stat wise. There were regular demons tougher than she was.
I think the premise was that Lolth got by on her intelligence and Charisma, where other demon lords used pure power. 
Lolth had the backing of most of the Drow.  And she was able to grant them Cleric Spells, so she was clearly a deity. 

If I were running a 66hp lolth in AD&D, she would be the most cunning and tricky opponent the players would never face.  Oh you shot her full of +3 arrows? Took her down in 1 round?  That was an illusion.  Now thereis a horde of demons coming at you...

WERDNA

#21
February 18, 2024, 03:09:16 PM
Quote from: Svenhelgrim on February 18, 2024, 05:44:26 AM
Quote from: Exploderwizard on February 17, 2024, 11:37:50 PM
Quote from: Svenhelgrim on February 17, 2024, 02:46:47 PM
Quote from: Jam The MF on February 17, 2024, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: Svenhelgrim on February 17, 2024, 03:01:05 AM
You could always just make up your own stats for Lolth.  You would probably do a much better job of it than anybody at Hazards-of-the-Bro.

10-4

I wonder if anyone else in the 5E "community", has already done the same?  Surely they have?  Hmm.....  Evidently; a person on Reddit did so, 8 years ago.  Checking it out, now.

You know your party better than anyone in Renton Washington does.  You can create something that will challenge them while the official stance would be to create some weak-statted version of the Spider Queen.

To be completely fair the original AD&D only gave her a measley 66 hit points. IMHO she never qualified as a goddess stat wise. There were regular demons tougher than she was.
I think the premise was that Lolth got by on her intelligence and Charisma, where other demon lords used pure power. 
Lolth had the backing of most of the Drow.  And she was able to grant them Cleric Spells, so she was clearly a deity. 

If I were running a 66hp lolth in AD&D, she would be the most cunning and tricky opponent the players would never face.  Oh you shot her full of +3 arrows? Took her down in 1 round?  That was an illusion.  Now thereis a horde of demons coming at you...

I could be misremembering, but Lolth had the best AC and Magic Resistance of any Demon Lord if I recall.

El-V

#22
February 18, 2024, 04:39:12 PM
In D3 she had  -10 Ac, 70% magic resistance and was immune to non magical weapons plus cast heal at will three times a day - I liked the 66hp idea - it was a quirk that made players believe they could actually fight Lolth and get away with it.

Jam The MF

#23
February 18, 2024, 05:41:32 PM
Quote from: El-V on February 18, 2024, 04:39:12 PM
In D3 she had  -10 Ac, 70% magic resistance and was immune to non magical weapons plus cast heal at will three times a day - I liked the 66hp idea - it was a quirk that made players believe they could actually fight Lolth and get away with it.

It gave players a false sense of hope.
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yosemitemike

#24
February 19, 2024, 04:31:09 AM
Lloth mopped the floor with my players.  She only had 66 hp but it was hard to actually damage her.  Anyway, an ancient red dragon only had 88 hp back then. 
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spon

#25
February 19, 2024, 08:30:08 AM
Ah, yes, Lolth in AD&D. Hard as nails, but looked soooo easy to take down. She was incredibly nasty if you played her correctly. I remember trying to work out if you could psionically enslave her. Can't remember if it was possible for a PC, but I think another deity could (after draining all her psionic defence points). Fun times (I was 14, I think ...)!

pawsplay

#26
February 19, 2024, 01:41:28 PM
Low-ranking gods still require very specific circumstances to take down, so it makes sense it's a rare theme in adventures. In fact, there are few upper level D&D adventures because only a single digit percentage of campaigns make it past like level 17.

JeremyR

#27
February 25, 2024, 07:57:41 PM
Quote from: pawsplay on February 19, 2024, 01:41:28 PM
Low-ranking gods still require very specific circumstances to take down, so it makes sense it's a rare theme in adventures. In fact, there are few upper level D&D adventures because only a single digit percentage of campaigns make it past like level 17.

Eh, back in the day (both 0e and 1e) the Deities and Demigods books were largely used as monster manuals.

But that was badwrongfun and so they stopped giving gods stats and came up with avatars, so when PCs did fight gods, they didn't really win.

pawsplay

#28
February 26, 2024, 01:14:29 AM
Quote from: JeremyR on February 25, 2024, 07:57:41 PM
Quote from: pawsplay on February 19, 2024, 01:41:28 PM
Low-ranking gods still require very specific circumstances to take down, so it makes sense it's a rare theme in adventures. In fact, there are few upper level D&D adventures because only a single digit percentage of campaigns make it past like level 17.

Eh, back in the day (both 0e and 1e) the Deities and Demigods books were largely used as monster manuals.

But that was badwrongfun and so they stopped giving gods stats and came up with avatars, so when PCs did fight gods, they didn't really win.

Even then, they had tremendous advantages that had to be neutralized before you could realistically take one down.
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