Strangely, Lolth didn't appear in Out of the Abyss.  She hasn't appeared in anything else for 5E, either; that I'm aware of?  It appears that both Dark Sun, and Lolth are avoided topics in official 5E releases?

Perhaps, if Vecna doesn't make money for WOTC; they'll make a desperate play with a module about Lolth?

Quote from: Jam The MF on February 15, 2024, 04:04:58 PM
Strangely, Lolth didn't appear in Out of the Abyss.  She hasn't appeared in anything else for 5E, either; that I'm aware of?  It appears that both Dark Sun, and Lolth are forbidden topics in official 5E releases?

Perhaps, if Vecna doesn't make money for WOTC; they'll make a desperate play with a module about Lolth?

Forbidden topics? She's mentioned in so many entries on DnDBeyond that it filled the screen with scrolling and scrolling and scrolling until I gave up. She's mentioned in Out of the Abyss constantly with instructions (briefly) on what to do if the players decide to go after her directly.

Quote from: Mistwell on February 15, 2024, 04:14:40 PM

Quote from: Jam The MF on February 15, 2024, 04:04:58 PM
Strangely, Lolth didn't appear in Out of the Abyss.  She hasn't appeared in anything else for 5E, either; that I'm aware of?  It appears that both Dark Sun, and Lolth are forbidden topics in official 5E releases?

Perhaps, if Vecna doesn't make money for WOTC; they'll make a desperate play with a module about Lolth?

Forbidden topics? She's mentioned in so many entries on DnDBeyond that it filled the screen with scrolling and scrolling and scrolling until I gave up. She's mentioned in Out of the Abyss constantly with instructions (briefly) on what to do if the players decide to go after her directly.

Thank you, for your reply.

Does Lolth have a 5E Stat Block, in Out of the Abyss; like the other evil Lords do? 

Does Lolth have a 5E Stat Block, in Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes; like the other evil Lords do?

I am referring to WOTC Hardcover Releases.  I haven't seen Lolth in print, which causes me to believe that she has been avoided by WOTC.  I don't follow the online conversations, outside of the actual print releases.

I have the 4E content for Lolth, via MM3.  Where is that level of content to be found, in 5E?

Is she being saved like Vecna was, or is she being avoided because of the "complications" associated with Drow society?  10 years of D&D 5E, without an adventure centered around Lolth.

Quote from: Jam The MF on February 15, 2024, 05:28:26 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on February 15, 2024, 04:14:40 PM
Forbidden topics? She's mentioned in so many entries on DnDBeyond that it filled the screen with scrolling and scrolling and scrolling until I gave up. She's mentioned in Out of the Abyss constantly with instructions (briefly) on what to do if the players decide to go after her directly.

Does Lolth have a 5E Stat Block, in Out of the Abyss; like the other evil Lords do? 

Does Lolth have a 5E Stat Block, in Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes; like the other evil Lords do?

I am referring to WOTC Hardcover Releases.

As I recall, the demon lords in Mordenkainen's just repeated from Out of the Abyss. If so, all this is saying is that she hasn't been featured as a direct foe in a module yet. For comparison, was the Lolth stat block ever published for 1E other than in Module Q1?

Most of the deities - either evil or good - don't have stat blocks in 5E. They haven't published a product like 1E Deities & Demigods.

Quote from: jhkim on February 15, 2024, 06:42:07 PM
For comparison, was the Lolth stat block ever published for 1E other than in Module Q1?

Yes, she's in D&DG/L&L

Quote from: Jam The MF on February 15, 2024, 05:28:26 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on February 15, 2024, 04:14:40 PM

Quote from: Jam The MF on February 15, 2024, 04:04:58 PM
Strangely, Lolth didn't appear in Out of the Abyss.  She hasn't appeared in anything else for 5E, either; that I'm aware of?  It appears that both Dark Sun, and Lolth are forbidden topics in official 5E releases?

Perhaps, if Vecna doesn't make money for WOTC; they'll make a desperate play with a module about Lolth?

Forbidden topics? She's mentioned in so many entries on DnDBeyond that it filled the screen with scrolling and scrolling and scrolling until I gave up. She's mentioned in Out of the Abyss constantly with instructions (briefly) on what to do if the players decide to go after her directly.

Thank you, for your reply.

Does Lolth have a 5E Stat Block, in Out of the Abyss; like the other evil Lords do? 

Does Lolth have a 5E Stat Block, in Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes; like the other evil Lords do?

I am referring to WOTC Hardcover Releases.  I haven't seen Lolth in print, which causes me to believe that she has been avoided by WOTC.  I don't follow the online conversations, outside of the actual print releases.

I have the 4E content for Lolth, via MM3.  Where is that level of content to be found, in 5E?

Is she being saved like Vecna was, or is she being avoided because of the "complications" associated with Drow society?  10 years of D&D 5E, without an adventure centered around Lolth.

So you've shifted from "OMG totally forbidden topic!" to "you need a statblock or else it doesn't count"?

As far as I can recall no there is no statblock for Lolth. That's not the same as a forbidden topic.

Quote from: Mistwell on February 15, 2024, 07:51:16 PM

Quote from: Jam The MF on February 15, 2024, 05:28:26 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on February 15, 2024, 04:14:40 PM

Quote from: Jam The MF on February 15, 2024, 04:04:58 PM
Strangely, Lolth didn't appear in Out of the Abyss.  She hasn't appeared in anything else for 5E, either; that I'm aware of?  It appears that both Dark Sun, and Lolth are forbidden topics in official 5E releases?

Perhaps, if Vecna doesn't make money for WOTC; they'll make a desperate play with a module about Lolth?

Forbidden topics? She's mentioned in so many entries on DnDBeyond that it filled the screen with scrolling and scrolling and scrolling until I gave up. She's mentioned in Out of the Abyss constantly with instructions (briefly) on what to do if the players decide to go after her directly.

Thank you, for your reply.

Does Lolth have a 5E Stat Block, in Out of the Abyss; like the other evil Lords do? 

Does Lolth have a 5E Stat Block, in Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes; like the other evil Lords do?

I am referring to WOTC Hardcover Releases.  I haven't seen Lolth in print, which causes me to believe that she has been avoided by WOTC.  I don't follow the online conversations, outside of the actual print releases.

I have the 4E content for Lolth, via MM3.  Where is that level of content to be found, in 5E?

Is she being saved like Vecna was, or is she being avoided because of the "complications" associated with Drow society?  10 years of D&D 5E, without an adventure centered around Lolth.

So you've shifted from "OMG totally forbidden topic!" to "you need a statblock or else it doesn't count"?

As far as I can recall no there is no statblock for Lolth. That's not the same as a forbidden topic.

Thus far, WOTC either hasn't wanted to play the Lolth adventure card yet; or else it's a complicated subject that could start a bunch of SJW screeching.

Why does this ultimate big bad, have to be a woman?
Why does this ultimate big bad, have a dark skin tone?
Why does this ultimate big bad, support the evils of slavery?
Why did WOTC think this was a good idea for D&D 5E?
Screech, screech, screech.....

No adventure path, and no stat block; after 10 years of 5E.

Quote from: S'mon on February 15, 2024, 06:49:27 PM
Yes, she's in D&DG/L&L

And the Fiend Folio.

To my knowledge, none of the deities have statblocks in 5E.

Lolth got promoted from "powerful demon" to "bonafide deity" before the sale to WotC.

Quote from: Corolinth on February 15, 2024, 09:35:32 PM
To my knowledge, none of the deities have statblocks in 5E.

Lolth got promoted from "powerful demon" to "bonafide deity" before the sale to WotC.

Yes sir.  Tiamat was given stats, and called out as being a deity; in the very first adventure books for D&D 5E, the Tyranny of Dragons series.  It's in Rise of Tiamat.  I own it.

Quote from: Corolinth on February 15, 2024, 09:35:32 PM
To my knowledge, none of the deities have statblocks in 5E.

Lolth got promoted from "powerful demon" to "bonafide deity" before the sale to WotC.

Very true - she is a 'lesser goddess' in 1e Fiend Folio and D&DG and an 'intermediate goddess' in the 2e book DMGR4 Monster Mythology. One almost feels sorry for Zuggtmoy for missing out on promotion - perhaps people are prejudiced against fungi

Quote from: El-V on February 16, 2024, 08:56:11 AM

Quote from: Corolinth on February 15, 2024, 09:35:32 PM
To my knowledge, none of the deities have statblocks in 5E.

Lolth got promoted from "powerful demon" to "bonafide deity" before the sale to WotC.

Very true - she is a 'lesser goddess' in 1e Fiend Folio and D&DG and an 'intermediate goddess' in the 2e book DMGR4 Monster Mythology. One almost feels sorry for Zuggtmoy for missing out on promotion - perhaps people are prejudiced against fungi

Proving that the WOTC staff are all racists!

Quote from: Jam The MF on February 15, 2024, 09:58:45 PM

Quote from: Corolinth on February 15, 2024, 09:35:32 PM
To my knowledge, none of the deities have statblocks in 5E.

Lolth got promoted from "powerful demon" to "bonafide deity" before the sale to WotC.

Yes sir.  Tiamat was given stats, and called out as being a deity; in the very first adventure books for D&D 5E, the Tyranny of Dragons series.  It's in Rise of Tiamat.  I own it.

Huzzah. You have found one example. You win the internet.

What about Bane? Shar? Gruumsh? Cyric? I see Bhaal and Myrkul are back in 5E. Are they statted? I mean, if we're going to bitch about major evil deities not having statblocks, why stop at Lolth? It's not like she's absent from the setting material. She features in the creation myth in whatever monster book they published a few years ago where they decided that Corellon Larethian had super special chosen hermaphrodite priests, and the word "goddess" didn't exist in the English language because gender is a social conquest and we're going to pretend that previously defined female deities now had an ambiguous, unspecified sex.

If you want to grouse about WotC going woke, there's plenty of room to do that. Lolth not having a statblock seems like picking nits.

Quote from: Corolinth on February 16, 2024, 11:35:21 PM

Quote from: Jam The MF on February 15, 2024, 09:58:45 PM

Quote from: Corolinth on February 15, 2024, 09:35:32 PM
To my knowledge, none of the deities have statblocks in 5E.

Lolth got promoted from "powerful demon" to "bonafide deity" before the sale to WotC.

Yes sir.  Tiamat was given stats, and called out as being a deity; in the very first adventure books for D&D 5E, the Tyranny of Dragons series.  It's in Rise of Tiamat.  I own it.

Huzzah. You have found one example. You win the internet.

What about Bane? Shar? Gruumsh? Cyric? I see Bhaal and Myrkul are back in 5E. Are they statted? I mean, if we're going to bitch about major evil deities not having statblocks, why stop at Lolth? It's not like she's absent from the setting material. She features in the creation myth in whatever monster book they published a few years ago where they decided that Corellon Larethian had super special chosen hermaphrodite priests, and the word "goddess" didn't exist in the English language because gender is a social conquest and we're going to pretend that previously defined female deities now had an ambiguous, unspecified sex.

If you want to grouse about WotC going woke, there's plenty of room to do that. Lolth not having a statblock seems like picking nits.

You mentioned nits now you are a fucking dirty white supremacist.

Greetings!

Yes, "Nits make lice..."--which is why we should always wipe out and exterminate Nits at every opportunity.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK