Quote from: Dropbear on September 05, 2021, 04:59:10 PM
So Google is only turning up the combat wheelchair when I search for chronic fatigue barbarian. Not sure how real and present it actually is. I thought I might read it to see if it was a joke but I'm not finding it anywhere except as mentioned in Pundit's video.

I took the time to read the Combat Wheelchair doc. I don't see anything wrong with it if that's what other folks want at their table. I kinda take issue with a lot of the doodads you can attach and make yourself better than any able person could be without a combat wheelchair, so I don't know why abled people wouldn't want to get them too? Beats a horse... And then there's the fact that they expressly say dispel magic absolutely will not work on it. So it's a big nope for my table. Too much of a Mary Sue magic item and character creator for my tastes.

Edited to add: it really bugs me now that I read it again that they say the magic used for the creation of the wheelchair isn't even first level, and then want to throw out the defining portion of how dispel magic works. If it's under 3rd level, it's dispelled, period.

All this kinda makes me wonder about the actual text for this barbarian though.

The actual text is in v3.0 of the combat wheelchair supplement.

Quote from: Dropbear on September 05, 2021, 05:08:15 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 05, 2021, 05:03:55 PM

Quote from: Dropbear on September 05, 2021, 04:59:10 PM
So Google is only turning up the combat wheelchair when I search for chronic fatigue barbarian. Not sure how real and present it actually is. I thought I might read it to see if it was a joke but I'm not finding it anywhere except as mentioned in Pundit's video.

I took the time to read the Combat Wheelchair doc. I don't see anything wrong with it if that's what other folks want at their table. I kinda take issue with a lot of the doodads you can attach and make yourself better than any able person could be without a combat wheelchair, so I don't know why abled people wouldn't want to get them too? Beats a horse... And then there's the fact that they expressly say dispel magic absolutely will not work on it. So it's a big nope for my table. Too much of a Mary Sue magic item and character creator for my tastes.

All this kinda makes me wonder about the actual text for this barbarian though.

For equality,, anything that can be attached to the chair should be able to be attached to functional legs. Sure, it'll be ridiculous, but that barrier has already been breached.

Hell, just add in Iron Man suits into D&D, and call the inclusivity there?

That would be 'erasure' and would get the ire of the jobless art majors on Twitter.

You see, D&D MUST have people in wheelchairs everywhere, but those people are never allowed to be able to get OUT of wheelchairs also. For diversity.

I never even liked the 3E barbarians with their anger management problems.

I get that the "Rage" ability is allowing you to make a berserker. Classes by their nature are generic archetypes. Berserkers are very culturally specific. Barbarian rage is an attempt to take something specific and make it generic, and it kind of becomes a worst of both worlds thing. It sounds goofy to my ears. And implies that primitive and indigenous peoples have anger issues. Which could be offensive on SJW grounds. But even someone who doesn't care about that but takes their campaign world seriously, it's just a nonsensical cliche.

A similar thing happened to Rangers after 1E when players got to choose a "hated race." Great. Racist characters codified right into the game. And apparently racism makes you powerful. And again, hated race just sounds goofy to my ear.

This is just more of the same. Taking something very specific and attempting to make it generic through the class structure. It sounds goofy to the hear. And how are most gamers going to even play a Chronic Fatigue Barbarian? By hamming up a silly caricature in a way that might be offensive to someone who suffers from chronic fatigue? Great. Now we're going to make fun of differently abled people.

My mother had chronic fatigue.

On good days she was able to walk about 500m a day. any serious climbing was out. Most days she would be bedridden. How the heck could you play such a character in a dungeon crawl??!!!

I can only conclude that the Chronic Fatigue Bed is equivalent to the combat wheelchair, but also sentient so that the user doesn't have to remain awake to actually use it. My mother's thinking some day's was very shaky. The longer she went without rest, the less lucid she became.

I can see TPK friendly fire death occuring via the Chronic Fatigue Bed, unless the bed is sentient.

Quote from: RPGPundit on September 05, 2021, 09:54:14 PM

Quote from: Dropbear on September 05, 2021, 04:59:10 PM
So Google is only turning up the combat wheelchair when I search for chronic fatigue barbarian. Not sure how real and present it actually is. I thought I might read it to see if it was a joke but I'm not finding it anywhere except as mentioned in Pundit's video.

I took the time to read the Combat Wheelchair doc. I don't see anything wrong with it if that's what other folks want at their table. I kinda take issue with a lot of the doodads you can attach and make yourself better than any able person could be without a combat wheelchair, so I don't know why abled people wouldn't want to get them too? Beats a horse... And then there's the fact that they expressly say dispel magic absolutely will not work on it. So it's a big nope for my table. Too much of a Mary Sue magic item and character creator for my tastes.

Edited to add: it really bugs me now that I read it again that they say the magic used for the creation of the wheelchair isn't even first level, and then want to throw out the defining portion of how dispel magic works. If it's under 3rd level, it's dispelled, period.

All this kinda makes me wonder about the actual text for this barbarian though.

The actual text is in v3.0 of the combat wheelchair supplement.

I found it after searching a bit. I know a lot of the Twitterati will be impressed with it. I was less than.

If you guys don't stop being mean to the sjws I'm going to bring out the x-card.

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on September 06, 2021, 06:42:34 AM
If you guys don't stop being mean to the sjws I'm going to bring out the x-card.

I don't allow its use at my table, sorry. But you can draw a line or veil. Across the doorway you exit through

Quote from: Dropbear on September 06, 2021, 06:46:42 AM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on September 06, 2021, 06:42:34 AM
If you guys don't stop being mean to the sjws I'm going to bring out the x-card.

I don't allow its use at my table, sorry. But you can draw a line or veil. Across the doorway you exit through

Harumph! Well, I'll just take my copy of Thirsty Sword Lesbians and go home to play with myself. 

Quote from: RPGPundit on September 05, 2021, 09:53:10 PM
Their upcoming book, the one based on the college setting where your characters are a "hot mess" and you go to the prom, also has it.

  Good point, I forgot about the Strixhaven art. That's at least two out of four, then. Strong indications that this is the latest step down the slope. It might arguably be mitigated by the fact that the two settings we've seen it in are non-traditional and more modern, but then again, it has also been noted that WotC has been pushing the game's art direction several centuries ahead of where it was in the old days, leading me to characterize 5E as "Seattle swashbuckling romance."

   I'd call this part of the overall trend towards 'DEI in D&D', but I don't know if it merits attention as a distinctive thing in itself unless one shows up in the more 'traditionally D&D' oriented Fizban's Treasury of Dragons.

Quote from: Jaeger on September 05, 2021, 06:13:37 PMThe Fact is that the mere concept of the "combat wheelchair" in D&D is so absurdly ridiculous that in any sane world the idea would be laughed out of the hobby. (Yes, even for an elfgame, it is utterly ridiculous.)

The fact that it isn't, and that you have groups defending it to the point that it has made its way into the flagship game of the hobby is a Big Red Flag.

They are literally now able to get you to accept the patently absurd.

What will you accept next?

5e players have already accepted a long list of absurd facts:

-Only an Asian player should be allowed to play an Asian character.
-Orcs are black people, so if your orcs are evil you think black people are evil
-If your dark elves have black skin, you think black people are evil.
-If you have slavery in your game, you support slavery
-If 50% of your NPCs aren't female, you are a sexist
-if 50% of your NPCs aren't gay, you are a homophobe

Compared to these things, the wheelchair assessable dungeons and Chronic Fatigue Barbarians are downright reasonable.

But these items are just a natural outcome of the inclusion mindset. The 5e player base demands more inclusion and WotC gives them what they want. After that, their need for virtue signal Likes causes them to demand even more inclusion, and then even more. At some point I thought that the 5e player base would have enough and stop buying. But that doesn't seem like that's ever going to happen, as each time they say "you can just ignore that part of the game" as they keep buying and playing.

Quote from: hedgehobbit on September 06, 2021, 01:19:38 PM

Quote from: Jaeger on September 05, 2021, 06:13:37 PMThe Fact is that the mere concept of the "combat wheelchair" in D&D is so absurdly ridiculous that in any sane world the idea would be laughed out of the hobby. (Yes, even for an elfgame, it is utterly ridiculous.)

The fact that it isn't, and that you have groups defending it to the point that it has made its way into the flagship game of the hobby is a Big Red Flag.

They are literally now able to get you to accept the patently absurd.

What will you accept next?

5e players have already accepted a long list of absurd facts:

-Only an Asian player should be allowed to play an Asian character.
-Orcs are black people, so if your orcs are evil you think black people are evil
-If your dark elves have black skin, you think black people are evil.
-If you have slavery in your game, you support slavery
-If 50% of your NPCs aren't female, you are a sexist
-if 50% of your NPCs aren't gay, you are a homophobe

Compared to these things, the wheelchair assessable dungeons and Chronic Fatigue Barbarians are downright reasonable.

But these items are just a natural outcome of the inclusion mindset. The 5e player base demands more inclusion and WotC gives them what they want. After that, their need for virtue signal Likes causes them to demand even more inclusion, and then even more. At some point I thought that the 5e player base would have enough and stop buying. But that doesn't seem like that's ever going to happen, as each time they say "you can just ignore that part of the game" as they keep buying and playing.

You say "accepted" but that is not the correct word for uniformly describing the reactions to the bullshit you mention. Many either reject or simply ignore this nonsense rather than accepting it. And they still go on playing 5e...

Quote from: Jaeger on September 05, 2021, 06:13:37 PM

5e players have already accepted a long list of absurd facts:

-Only an Asian player should be allowed to play an Asian character.
-Orcs are black people, so if your orcs are evil you think black people are evil
-If your dark elves have black skin, you think black people are evil.
-If you have slavery in your game, you support slavery
-If 50% of your NPCs aren't female, you are a sexist
-if 50% of your NPCs aren't gay, you are a homophobe

Compared to these things, the wheelchair assessable dungeons and Chronic Fatigue Barbarians are downright reasonable.

If anyone actually believes in those principals it tells me immediately, that they have no idea what a role playing game actually is. And that they are incapable of any critical thinking.

I truly hope there are very few players who actually adhere to this utter nonsense.

As far as I'm concerned, Orcs are not black people. But they are all evil. They were designed that way in my game (and most others). Oh, and they take human slaves too! And eat the weaker ones they can't use. Mmmm.... man flesh.

Remember peeps, it's only a little game of 'make-believe'. It can't hurt you...

I made an account just to reply to this thread.

Just started a new D&D Twitch channel, where myself (The DM) and two of the players are disabled. One is confined to a wheelchair.

We've all put shit on the "Combat Wheelchair" concept. Honestly, I get why it could be really cool for a child in a wheelchair, being introduced to D&D, to see themselves more or less as the chairbound badass taking names and kicking ass. But, with the way the adults are going off about it, you'd think that each copy of the wheelchair access dungeon Candlekeep book sold somehow magically created a wheelchair ramp in a games store, or bought a van to help disabled D&D players get to and from their games.

I'm going to be writing in an important NPC that has been confined to a wheelchair specifically to explore this whole shit show, and it will be up to the characters to work out why the NPC is still in the chair after all the healing spells in Waterdeep have been unable to heal them. There may or may not be a chase sequence involving a steep hill and a runaway wheelchair.

While you're at it - since you're giving your time, energy and money (unless you went sailing on the High Seas for it) to WotC using their products, could you also test out:

1) The Hypertension Mage
2) The Obese Ranger (hates Druids for being Vegan and pushing their healthy lifestyle on them)
3) The Vegan Druid - (see above)
4) The Restitution Thief - Black thieves that can steal with impunity because of slavery in real life or anywhere else, in any dimension.
5) The Thalidomide Bard - Since they can't manipulate most instuments, they merely whistle, or play a harmonica on a neck-brace.
6) The Child Sacrifice Cleric - Because all beliefs are equal. Because if they believe its "good" who are we to question it?
7) The Beta-Male White Fighter - Does half damage to any other sentient species that isn't a white male. If they're female, they must Save or Simp.
The new Abortionist Class - they can abort people post-birth or any other time because it's their right. They use a Vacuum Aspirator Sword. It vacuums up parts of your body on a Critical. Saline Injection darts are also part of their kit.
9) The Anti-Colonist Sorcerer - your bloodline is the Oppressed.
10) The Outrage Barbarian - your natural state is to be Enraged. Your special ability is to be calm when you pop your "magic pills". When it's over you succumb to Fatigue.

Excuse me while I clip that and put it in the project discord server.