Quote from: Dr Rotwang!Man, I really thought grubman'd fit in here.

Guess I was wrong...

I share your puzzled feelings. He sent me a PM before he departed saying that he was saddened that so many people he liked to converse with left RPGnet to post here (I would have pointed out that many of us were asked to leave, but as he's already un-registered himself, I guess that such a reply is pointless).

Quote from: jdrakehI share your puzzled feelings. He sent me a PM before he departed saying that he was saddened that so many people he liked to converse with left RPGnet to post here (I would have pointed out that many of us were asked to leave, but as he's already un-registered himself, I guess that such a reply is pointless).

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I just feel like I'm missing something here.

1. Grubman has had an axe to grind with BF lately, so he posts a rant.
2. Everyone else says "what's the big deal?"
3. Grubman repeatedly tries to argue his case.  No one else is convinced.
4. Seeing his not convincing anyone, Grubman says, "Screw you guys, I'm going home."
5. Somebody cracks a joke about him acting immature.
6. Grubman takes the joke as a personal insult (or possibly even an assault) and claims everyone is immature and attacking him here and now he's leaving for good.
7. Everyone else stands back slack-jawed and wide-eyed.

Did I leave any steps out?  Because I sure feel like I missed something between steps 3&4 and/or 5&6.

I mean, it's not the first time I've seen Grubman throw a fit over something he saw on the Internet and then get mad that no one agreed with him, but last time he didn't unregister himself from the site.

Quote from: jgantsBecause I sure feel like I missed something between steps 3&4 and/or 5&6.

You're not missing anything. Honestly, it seems that as the friendly atmosphere of TBP has eroded over the past few years, some posters have changed with it. Grubman may be one of them.

His posts at TBP seem to have been getting consistently more adversarial as time marches on. From personal experience, I know that flaming out and stomping off is often the dark place to which such paths lead.

The grubman of today is not the same guy that I regularly conversed with on RPGnet back in 2002/2003. Or at least he doesn't have the same disposition. I hold much the same opinion of RPGnet, of course.

Quote from: jdrakehYou're not missing anything other. Honestly, it seems that as the friendly atmosphere of TBP has eroded over the past few years, some posters have changed with it. Grubman may be one of them.

His posts at TBP seem to have been getting consistently more adversarial as time marches on. From personal experience, I know that flaming out and stomping off is often the dark place to which such paths lead.

The grubman of today is not the same guy that I regularly conversed with on RPGnet back in 2002/2003. Or at least he doesn't have the same disposition. I hold much the same opinion of RPGnet, of course.

Agreed.  And its TBP's own fault.  It's hard to stay a happy place when everyone constantly feels the mod boot on their necks.

It'd be a lot emotionally healthier of a place if people could air their grievances (to each other or to the site) instead of having to bottle them up or obfuscate them behind fancy language.  Or be able to speak without fear of getting banned for saying something that might be obscurely taken as a group attack.  And then there's the whole political aspect - where certain posters can get away with murder, and others get banned without even doing anything wrong on the site.

As for Grubman, hopefully he'll just take a little break, calm down, and rejoin us.

I hope grubman will eventually come back.  Personally, I think he just wanted to discuss, and came across as pissy when he didn't really intend to be.  

I mean, the tone of my Palladium topics is extremely caustic, but I'm always happy whenever anyone wants to discuss Palladium stuff.

Personally, I didn't see his posts as pissy.  He only got pissy after being probably unintentionally provoked by others.  I was looking at the threads and seeing James McMurray telling him he's posting wrongly.  Then I saw JArcane more or less call him a retard.  And Quire finished it off by calling him a baby.  Grubman is still in RPGnet defense mode, and that's exactly how those posts would be seen at the Purple Palace.

Quote from: jdrakehI share your puzzled feelings. He sent me a PM before he departed saying that he was saddened that so many people he liked to converse with left RPGnet to post here (I would have pointed out that many of us were asked to leave, but as he's already un-registered himself, I guess that such a reply is pointless).

I got that one, too.

Maybe I shoulda stepped in sooner, tried to cool off both sides.  He did come into this thread pretty hot, but I don't think it warranted hoppin' on him.

Quote from: Dr Rotwang!I got that one, too.

Maybe I shoulda stepped in sooner, tried to cool off both sides.  He did come into this thread pretty hot, but I don't think it warranted hoppin' on him.

I suppose that I didn't realize how much TBP had soured him and thought that he'd be able to blow off a few negative posts here without feeling backed into a corner and forced to go on the offensive. Guess I was wrong about that

[Edit: As Gabriel notes, that kind of thing is part of daily life at TBP currently, but here it comes off as hypersensitivity.]

Quote from: jdrakehI suppose that I didn't realize how much TBP had soured him and thought that he'd be able to blow off a few negative posts here without feeling backed into a corner and forced to go on the offensive. Guess I was wrong about that

I just realized your little green dude isn't goofin' that pig in the hiney.

What the hell?
 Dude is on here for less than 60 posts and leaves because of one thread ?
 Over on the Big Purple & Pink I vaguely remember having an argument with him about something (GURPS likely)  - but its just the internet ...its not that big a deal.

 When referring to "Basic D&D" , do you guys mean the one from the 1980s  , or the current introductory box sets of the D20 version that WOTC has out there in stores ? (including my store)

- E.W.C.

Quote from: Dr Rotwang!I just realized your little green dude isn't goofin' that pig in the hiney.

Yeah, he's riding it like a horse It's Grrr (the alien dog-bot) from Invader Zim, BTW.

Quote from: Dr Rotwang!I just realized your little green dude isn't goofin' that pig in the hiney.

Wow, you're right.  Interesting.

I like grubman, it's a shame he's pulled out, one thing with unmoderated fora is that one has to learn either to pull out of threads that go south or to tell people to fuck off.

I tend to the latter, in part because people don't hold a grudge here by and large when you do.

Quote from: KoltarWhen referring to "Basic D&D" , do you guys mean the one from the 1980s  , or the current introductory box sets of the D20 version that WOTC has out there in stores ? (including my store)

The current edition is technically "The Basic Game" not "Basic Dungeons & Dragons", so I suspect that when most people say "Basic D&D" they're referring to the game that was marketed under that title -- although I've seen some people use the terms "Basic D&D" and "BD&D" to erroneously refer to Original D&D or OD&D (the little 1974 box set).

Quote from: BalbinusI tend to the latter, in part because people don't hold a grudge here by and large when you do.

Shut up, ya poop donut.  Get bent in the butt.

Hey!  I was looking through some old papers and I found an old thread you started on RPG.Net called "Perilous Pulp Posts"!  I liked it so much, I'd printed it out.  Neet, huh?

I'm'a e-mail grub, see if he wants to steam out a bit and try again.  You guys want me to e-mail grub, see if he wants to steam out a bit and try again?

Quote from: Dr Rotwang!I got that one, too.

Maybe I shoulda stepped in sooner, tried to cool off both sides.  He did come into this thread pretty hot, but I don't think it warranted hoppin' on him.

Maybe it's because I hang around RPGOpen more than most anyone else here, but I was more or less predicting this outcome.

I think all the bullshit at rpg.net's gotten to Grubman.  He used to be a lot more laid-back, but...  I dunno, the last six months or so he's been increasingly short-fused.

It didn't help that he came in here swinging.  Trying to be "one of the gang," probably, and blow off some steam.  Instead, all these folks smacked him upside the head and said, "What the fuck's wrong with you, man?"

He was bound to flame out like he did.

Would trying to play ref have worked?  I dunno.  But seeing as how he's been acting like a jumpy cockroach on an electrified floor lately...

Quote from: Dr Rotwang!I'm'a e-mail grub, see if he wants to steam out a bit and try again.  You guys want me to e-mail grub, see if he wants to steam out a bit and try again?

Go for it. I like the man and would enjoy his participation here. He just needs to work that Purple out of his veins