I just shared the 4 worst things to come out of #gencon this year.
#dnd #dnd5e #OSR #ttrpg
Quote from: RPGPundit on August 08, 2023, 11:04:25 AM
"POLITICALLY SUSPECT INFLUENCERS"...
They all just all have a Normie/Boomer mentality:
GenCon is the "BIG EVENT".
They have always gone to the "BIG EVENT". All their friends go to the "BIG EVENT".
Q: The Gencon owner and organizers are woke AF, and hate white people. Why do you give them your money?
A: "Doesn't affect my game or my table."
Must go to "BIG EVENT"...
Even the Normies have to engage in a lot of Normie willful ignorance.
It's not like all the struggle session panels, anti-white awards, and other assorted SJW BS isn't on the Gencon program for all to read...
"Doesn't affect my game or my table."
Must game at "BIG EVENT"...
This thread title, offers so much to those who check in. It seems that we love to delve into the muck and mire, of awful RPG offerings. We just love to mock the awful stuff, we stumble across.
Quote from: Jam The MF on August 08, 2023, 06:25:11 PM
This thread title, offers so much to those who check in. It seems that we love to delve into the muck and mire, of awful RPG offerings. We just love to mock the awful stuff, we stumble across.
I'd rather find diamonds but if all we are left with is cringy shit, we may as well have some fun mocking them.
I would watch (listen) to a Tim Kask video regarding past Gencons and find a strange nostalgia for something I never experienced. He would talk very positively about events before social media and it's really sad such an era can no longer be experienced. No where can you go now that is just a fantasy related convention that isn't infected with (what I'll call) "the social virus." Where ever you go is going to have some degree of "The Current Thing," and that's really just exhausting. It would be nice to have a time machine to simply experience events with a conglomerate of actual normal people. The closest thing I can think of at the moment is watching those "last day of high school" videos from the late 90s and the early 2000s.
Quote from: Yin on August 09, 2023, 11:08:04 AM
I would watch (listen) to a Tim Kask video regarding past Gencons and find a strange nostalgia for something I never experienced. He would talk very positively about events before social media and it's really sad such an era can no longer be experienced. No where can you go now that is just a fantasy related convention that isn't infected with (what I'll call) "the social virus." Where ever you go is going to have some degree of "The Current Thing," and that's really just exhausting. It would be nice to have a time machine to simply experience events with a conglomerate of actual normal people. The closest thing I can think of at the moment is watching those "last day of high school" videos from the late 90s and the early 2000s.
You might consider finding PDFs of Dragon Magazine circa the 80's and reading the Forum. It amuses me how little has changed in 30 years :)
Been to Gencon once. Found it expensive and overrated. I could do and see everything I really needed to do and see in a day. No interest in going back.
I go to Pax Unplugged near me and would go to a smaller con if it were doable.
Meh. The way GenCon handled the assault on Jeremy Hambly tells me that my money can be better spent elsewhere.
Organizing a local event instead sounds like the way to go.
Quote from: RPGPundit on August 08, 2023, 11:04:25 AM
I just shared the 4 worst things to come out of #gencon this year.
#dnd #dnd5e #OSR #ttrpg
Did you go to GenCon or have you ever been?
Quote from: Jaeger on August 08, 2023, 04:34:59 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on August 08, 2023, 11:04:25 AM
"POLITICALLY SUSPECT INFLUENCERS"...
They all just all have a Normie/Boomer mentality:
GenCon is the "BIG EVENT".
They have always gone to the "BIG EVENT". All their friends go to the "BIG EVENT".
Q: The Gencon owner and organizers are woke AF, and hate white people. Why do you give them your money?
A: "Doesn't affect my game or my table."
Must go to "BIG EVENT"...
Even the Normies have to engage in a lot of Normie willful ignorance.
It's not like all the struggle session panels, anti-white awards, and other assorted SJW BS isn't on the Gencon program for all to read...
"Doesn't affect my game or my table."
Must game at "BIG EVENT"...
Ain't that the fucking truth.
It's the same NPC behavior that keeps people watching the Simpsons 20-25 years after it was any good, or watching the latest superhero show pooped out by CW because 'it has that character I'm a fan of, so I must watch every season, even though I don't really like it."
Quote from: Grognard GM on August 10, 2023, 12:58:49 AM
Quote from: Jaeger on August 08, 2023, 04:34:59 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on August 08, 2023, 11:04:25 AM
"POLITICALLY SUSPECT INFLUENCERS"...
They all just all have a Normie/Boomer mentality:
GenCon is the "BIG EVENT".
They have always gone to the "BIG EVENT". All their friends go to the "BIG EVENT".
Q: The Gencon owner and organizers are woke AF, and hate white people. Why do you give them your money?
A: "Doesn't affect my game or my table."
Must go to "BIG EVENT"...
Even the Normies have to engage in a lot of Normie willful ignorance.
It's not like all the struggle session panels, anti-white awards, and other assorted SJW BS isn't on the Gencon program for all to read...
"Doesn't affect my game or my table."
Must game at "BIG EVENT"...
Ain't that the fucking truth.
It's the same NPC behavior that keeps people watching the Simpsons 20-25 years after it was any good, or watching the latest superhero show pooped out by CW because 'it has that character I'm a fan of, so I must watch every season, even though I don't really like it."
I watched the first Dr Strange, because he's my favorite superhero. Haven't watched anything after that.
For DC, I'm going to agree with the person that observed (even aside from actual quality issues), that with all the different timelines and reboots, people have no idea what to watch or in what order - and it turns them off. We get HBO Max online for free with our internet, and I just don't want to deal with figuring out what goes with what, especially when it'll probably suck.
What are the 4 things so I dont have to waste time watching a video.
Two people, an old lady and a woman with a stroller (seriously, who brings their baby to a gaming convention?) got trampled by crowds trying to get their hands on Lorcana, a game that will be in every store in about a week. The waiting line for this game was 13 hours. From what I hear, there were people trying to cut the line saying "Let me through, I'm a GM!" As though that gives you some privilege.
I saw some other nonsense as I strolled the convention center in between running games. There was the BIPOC lounge that had about three people in it. I guess there aren't as many BIPOC as they thought there would be.
Quote from: Svenhelgrim on August 10, 2023, 02:15:30 PM
I saw some other nonsense as I strolled the convention center in between running games. There was the BIPOC lounge that had about three people in it. I guess there aren't as many BIPOC as they thought there would be.
Well, I hope it's people refusing to be patronized.
Imaging going to Japan for, I dunno, an anime convention and there's a white people room. "What the fuck" is what I'd say.
Quote from: rytrasmi on August 10, 2023, 02:27:42 PM
Quote from: Svenhelgrim on August 10, 2023, 02:15:30 PM
I saw some other nonsense as I strolled the convention center in between running games. There was the BIPOC lounge that had about three people in it. I guess there aren't as many BIPOC as they thought there would be.
Well, I hope it's people refusing to be patronized.
Imaging going to Japan for, I dunno, an anime convention and there's a white people room. "What the fuck" is what I'd say.
white people are crazy enough to travel to Japan just for that specific type of event though. that's a pilgrimage.
Quote from: Svenhelgrim on August 10, 2023, 02:15:30 PM
Two people, an old lady and a woman with a stroller (seriously, who brings their baby to a gaming convention?) got trampled by crowds trying to get their hands on Lorcana, a game that will be in every store in about a week. The waiting line for this game was 13 hours. From what I hear, there were people trying to cut the line saying "Let me through, I'm a GM!" As though that gives you some privilege.
I saw some other nonsense as I strolled the convention center in between running games. There was the BIPOC lounge that had about three people in it. I guess there aren't as many BIPOC as they thought there would be.
>looks it up
>Disney CCG
(makes loud retching sounds)
Top 4 things I saw while there:
1.) EVERY door to the convention center had a "Harassment is not tolerated here" sign with a QR code to scan for the policy and to report things you saw.
2.) Lorcanna fans. Seriously, they were awful. The lines, the scams, the entitlement, all of it.
3.) People in general. Walking around with their phones out and just not paying attention to their surroundings. Walking in groups and stopping in the middle of rows causing traffic jams. Wearing those big fucking bricks of a backpack for board games and not realizing how far that sticks out from them. People pushing/pulling wagons around the dealer hall with their kids in them.
4.) More Ma'ams, bearded women, men with poofy blue/pink/purple dyed hair, pronoun people, etc than I have ever seen in my entire life up to this point. Funny thing is, they were almost completely in the dealer hall. Once you moved out to the smaller play rooms and stadium area, it was the more stereotypical gamer types.
Runner Up: A call out in the program book pointing out that the convention was on Native American land.
Overall though, I had a good time there. Talked with a bunch of indie creators, found some cool new games I hadn't heard of, caught up with a couple friends I haven't seen in a few years, played a few demos.
Quote from: Svenhelgrim on August 10, 2023, 02:15:30 PM
I saw some other nonsense as I strolled the convention center in between running games. There was the BIPOC lounge that had about three people in it. I guess there aren't as many BIPOC as they thought there would be.
The Origins convention was like always 99% white.
I saw maybe 10 black individuals while walking the sales floor during prime time on Saturday out of thousands.
My last GenCon experience, GenCon 50, was similar.
Quote from: DocJones on August 10, 2023, 10:07:25 PM
Quote from: Svenhelgrim on August 10, 2023, 02:15:30 PM
I saw some other nonsense as I strolled the convention center in between running games. There was the BIPOC lounge that had about three people in it. I guess there aren't as many BIPOC as they thought there would be.
The Origins convention was like always 99% white.
I saw maybe 10 black individuals while walking the sales floor during prime time on Saturday out of thousands.
My last GenCon experience, GenCon 50, was similar.
That, and also maybe some non-whites
don't prefer to hang out in the "Black People Sit Here" section at a gaming convention, for some weird reasopn.
So the South was way ahead of the curve when it had segregated waiting rooms for coloreds people of color, separate water fountains for them, etc.? Huh. Never knew that. I somehow had the impression that it was considered bad by liberals at the time, but I guess I was wrong. Well, kudos to Gencon for bringing back this great custom of social justice! Maybe we should take this further, like... I don't know... maybe having reserved seating for BIPOCs on public transportation, like in the back seats or something? Or reserving certain sections of theaters just for them? That would show them how much we care!
Quote from: THE_Leopold on August 10, 2023, 02:32:26 PM
Quote from: rytrasmi on August 10, 2023, 02:27:42 PM
Quote from: Svenhelgrim on August 10, 2023, 02:15:30 PM
I saw some other nonsense as I strolled the convention center in between running games. There was the BIPOC lounge that had about three people in it. I guess there aren't as many BIPOC as they thought there would be.
Well, I hope it's people refusing to be patronized.
Imaging going to Japan for, I dunno, an anime convention and there's a white people room. "What the fuck" is what I'd say.
white people are crazy enough to travel to Japan just for that specific type of event though. that's a pilgrimage.
Everyone is crazy that way. When "Dallas" was a TV show, we had lots of people from Japan (and other places) coming to Dallas to see Southfork.
Quote from: Tod13 on August 11, 2023, 06:55:20 PM
Quote from: THE_Leopold on August 10, 2023, 02:32:26 PM
Quote from: rytrasmi on August 10, 2023, 02:27:42 PM
Quote from: Svenhelgrim on August 10, 2023, 02:15:30 PM
I saw some other nonsense as I strolled the convention center in between running games. There was the BIPOC lounge that had about three people in it. I guess there aren't as many BIPOC as they thought there would be.
Well, I hope it's people refusing to be patronized.
Imaging going to Japan for, I dunno, an anime convention and there's a white people room. "What the fuck" is what I'd say.
white people are crazy enough to travel to Japan just for that specific type of event though. that's a pilgrimage.
Everyone is crazy that way. When "Dallas" was a TV show, we had lots of people from Japan (and other places) coming to Dallas to see Southfork.
Yeah but that was back in the dark ages. Bet you didn't even have a Japanese only room.
Been to many convention in the past 4 decades.
Small cons are the best.
Even tiny cons are considerably more fun than the "big cons"
We need more OSR cons.
Quote from: rytrasmi on August 11, 2023, 09:09:37 PM
Quote from: Tod13 on August 11, 2023, 06:55:20 PM
Quote from: THE_Leopold on August 10, 2023, 02:32:26 PM
Quote from: rytrasmi on August 10, 2023, 02:27:42 PM
Quote from: Svenhelgrim on August 10, 2023, 02:15:30 PM
I saw some other nonsense as I strolled the convention center in between running games. There was the BIPOC lounge that had about three people in it. I guess there aren't as many BIPOC as they thought there would be.
Well, I hope it's people refusing to be patronized.
Imaging going to Japan for, I dunno, an anime convention and there's a white people room. "What the fuck" is what I'd say.
white people are crazy enough to travel to Japan just for that specific type of event though. that's a pilgrimage.
Everyone is crazy that way. When "Dallas" was a TV show, we had lots of people from Japan (and other places) coming to Dallas to see Southfork.
Yeah but that was back in the dark ages. Bet you didn't even have a Japanese only room.
No, but all the liquor stores were in one small area. For a year or two, I didn't know so much of Dallas/Fort Worth was dry, since I drove through the several blocks of liquor stores every day. Twice a day.
Quote from: Yin on August 09, 2023, 11:08:04 AM
I would watch (listen) to a Tim Kask video regarding past Gencons and find a strange nostalgia for something I never experienced. He would talk very positively about events before social media and it's really sad such an era can no longer be experienced. No where can you go now that is just a fantasy related convention that isn't infected with (what I'll call) "the social virus." Where ever you go is going to have some degree of "The Current Thing," and that's really just exhausting. It would be nice to have a time machine to simply experience events with a conglomerate of actual normal people. The closest thing I can think of at the moment is watching those "last day of high school" videos from the late 90s and the early 2000s.
Very. All the companies were so different back in the 90s when I got to go to several GenCons. But this was the beginning of the 90s era wokeness and things were already turning darker. I miss meeting up with the Games Workshop folk for example. But by 2000 that was all gone. Felt like every company was sinking into underhanded behavior of one form or another.
Quote from: rytrasmi on August 10, 2023, 02:27:42 PM
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Imaging going to Japan for, I dunno, an anime convention and there's a white people room. "What the fuck" is what I'd say.
BTW, there are themed restaurants in Japan that explicitly state no foreigners allowed or that foreigners must be accompanied but a Japanese person. ;D
Quote from: Spinachcat on August 12, 2023, 05:32:03 PM
Been to many convention in the past 4 decades.
Small cons are the best.
Even tiny cons are considerably more fun than the "big cons"
We need more OSR cons.
Here in Uruguay there are a lot of "little cons", which are either set up by some of the gaming clubs, and sometimes subsidized by the government's youth ministry. They're very fun, usually more fun than bigger cons I attended in North America.
Quote from: THE_Leopold on August 10, 2023, 11:08:38 AM
What are the 4 things so I dont have to waste time watching a video.
Short version:
1) AI art D&D scandal
2) WOTC new deck of many things book
-- the deck is apparently created by a Paladin and their Medusa companion by a "new" designer
3) "Garbage" awards - notably diana jones Coyote and Crow and WotC radiant citadel
4) "Latine" and BIPOC lounge rooms
4 is the one that is explicitly GenCon. 3 is gencon related, since they are announced there I believe?
Quote from: RPGPundit on August 15, 2023, 06:19:54 AM
Quote from: Spinachcat on August 12, 2023, 05:32:03 PM
Been to many convention in the past 4 decades.
Small cons are the best.
Even tiny cons are considerably more fun than the "big cons"
We need more OSR cons.
Here in Uruguay there are a lot of "little cons", which are either set up by some of the gaming clubs, and sometimes subsidized by the government's youth ministry. They're very fun, usually more fun than bigger cons I attended in North America.
I do love me some small game cons. They are more personal and relaxed, easier for me to find time to actually game.
Even as a vendor, they tend to do just as strong as some big Comic-cons and FanExpo's for us. When you are the only vendor with a whole bunch of current RPG titles . . . that gives you a nice boost.
Quote from: Thondor on August 15, 2023, 03:19:40 PM
Quote from: THE_Leopold on August 10, 2023, 11:08:38 AM
What are the 4 things so I dont have to waste time watching a video.
Short version:
1) AI art D&D scandal
2) WOTC new deck of many things book
-- the deck is apparently created by a Paladin and their Medusa companion by a "new" designer
3) "Garbage" awards - notably diana jones Coyote and Crow and WotC radiant citadel
4) "Latine" and BIPOC lounge rooms
4 is the one that is explicitly GenCon. 3 is gencon related, since they are announced there I believe?
Thanks for the TLDR. Didn't miss anything then.
People who go to modern gencon are there strictly to consoom.
MUST CONSOOM.
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fsi281qpysfq61.jpg
Quote from: thedungeondelver on August 15, 2023, 04:17:12 PM
People who go to modern gencon are there strictly to consoom.
MUST CONSOOM.
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fsi281qpysfq61.jpg
I go for the Auction and Dealer Room. Worth the travel .
Quote from: thedungeondelver on August 15, 2023, 04:17:12 PM
People who go to modern gencon are there strictly to consoom.
MUST CONSOOM.
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fsi281qpysfq61.jpg
Back around the turn of the century, my first exposure to Ebay was a gaming friend doing a sniping bid to win...like an Alf lunchbox or something similar. Instead of wanting things then finding them and buying them, he would want things because he saw them, then buy them. In his 30's, lived with his parents despite having a fulltime job, because his room was wall to ceiling in comics, rpgs, dvds, and memorabilia.
Quote from: RPGPundit on August 15, 2023, 06:19:54 AM
Quote from: Spinachcat on August 12, 2023, 05:32:03 PM
Been to many convention in the past 4 decades.
Small cons are the best.
Even tiny cons are considerably more fun than the "big cons"
Here in Uruguay there are a lot of "little cons", which are either set up by some of the gaming clubs, and sometimes subsidized by the government's youth ministry. They're very fun, usually more fun than bigger cons I attended in North America.
That was our experience as well. Its been know for decades that cons of any sort have a sort of critical mass past which they start to become too complex or lose some element. Or get co-opted by the moral guardians.
Quote from: Svenhelgrim on August 10, 2023, 02:15:30 PM
There was the BIPOC lounge that had about three people in it.
Probably because most BIPOC's in the community don't hate Whites and don't want to be singled out as such.
Quote from: THE_Leopold on August 15, 2023, 04:15:57 PM
Quote from: Thondor on August 15, 2023, 03:19:40 PM
Quote from: THE_Leopold on August 10, 2023, 11:08:38 AM
What are the 4 things so I dont have to waste time watching a video.
Short version:
1) AI art D&D scandal
2) WOTC new deck of many things book
-- the deck is apparently created by a Paladin and their Medusa companion by a "new" designer
3) "Garbage" awards - notably diana jones Coyote and Crow and WotC radiant citadel
4) "Latine" and BIPOC lounge rooms
4 is the one that is explicitly GenCon. 3 is gencon related, since they are announced there I believe?
Thanks for the TLDR. Didn't miss anything then.
Why are you even here, then?
Quote from: THE_Leopold on August 10, 2023, 11:08:38 AM
What are the 4 things so I dont have to waste time watching a video.
The next time you post something like this on a video thread, you will be banned for thread disruption. If you're curious enough to want to know, watch the fucking video. If you're not, you're posting to troll. Either way, you don't get to hijack the thread.
Quote from: Thondor on August 15, 2023, 03:19:40 PM
2) WOTC new deck of many things book
-- the deck is apparently created by a Paladin and their Medusa companion by a "new" designer
I'm surprised they're not redoing the Rod of Seven Parts.
Quote from: Thornhammer on August 17, 2023, 10:24:47 PM
Quote from: Thondor on August 15, 2023, 03:19:40 PM
2) WOTC new deck of many things book
-- the deck is apparently created by a Paladin and their Medusa companion by a "new" designer
I'm surprised they're not redoing the Rod of Seven Parts.
Give them time. They will eventually re-make everything in glorious wokeness and the rabid hordes of virtue signaling gamers will stand in lines to buy it.
Quote from: zircher on August 14, 2023, 03:55:13 PM
Quote from: rytrasmi on August 10, 2023, 02:27:42 PM
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Imaging going to Japan for, I dunno, an anime convention and there's a white people room. "What the fuck" is what I'd say.
BTW, there are themed restaurants in Japan that explicitly state no foreigners allowed or that foreigners must be accompanied but a Japanese person. ;D
Not just Japan - also in South Korea. Not really "no round-eyes allowed" as much as it is "locals only."
Trust me - having lived in Japan and South Korea, there won't be a "white people room" - unlike here in the US, if you aren't a local, they don't think about you at all beyond how your upsetting their harmonious balance. No special treatment for you.
Quote from: Exploderwizard on August 18, 2023, 06:55:47 AM
Quote from: Thornhammer on August 17, 2023, 10:24:47 PM
Quote from: Thondor on August 15, 2023, 03:19:40 PM
2) WOTC new deck of many things book
-- the deck is apparently created by a Paladin and their Medusa companion by a "new" designer
I'm surprised they're not redoing the Rod of Seven Parts.
Give them time. They will eventually re-make everything in glorious wokeness and the rabid hordes of virtue signaling gamers will stand in lines to buy it.
They'll gender-swap it though, it'll be the
Rhonda of Seven Parts.
The Rod will have been created by a black disabled transgendered wizard and hir non-binary good-aligned Mindflayer lover, both of whom are retconned into being the greatest heroes in the history of D&D.
Quote from: RPGPundit on August 23, 2023, 11:19:43 AM
The Rod will have been created by a black disabled transgendered wizard and hir non-binary good-aligned Mindflayer lover, both of whom are retconned into being the greatest heroes in the history of D&D.
they will have trained Mordenkainen, Bigby, and Elminster by themselves who , after recieved training at Strixhaven, will then go and declare themselves Allies of said diety and SLAAAAYYY QUEEN in their name.
All the while Gygax and Arneson stand up in their graves and clap.