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Title: The 1st Edition Player Handbook PDF is back!
Post by: estar on July 07, 2015, 09:08:56 AM
The PDF for the Advanced Dungeons and Dragons Player's Handbook is now available at RPGNow (http://www.rpgnow.com/product/17003/Players-Handbook-1e?it=1). While it does have the reprint cover it has the remastered searchable text and the file size clocks in a 5.3 meg. I still have the version I bought off of Paizo and it was a series of scanned images at 23 meg. So the smaller size is appreciated.

While Wizards doesn't allow page extraction it does allow you to copy text and graphics out of the book.

This is absolutely fantastic. Now if they would just set it up for print on demand!
Title: The 1st Edition Player Handbook PDF is back!
Post by: Omega on July 07, 2015, 10:11:46 AM
Quote from: estar;840115The PDF for the Advanced Dungeons and Dragons Player's Handbook is now available at RPGNow (http://www.rpgnow.com/product/17003/Players-Handbook-1e?it=1). While it does have the reprint cover it has the remastered searchable text and the file size clocks in a 5.3 meg. I still have the version I bought off of Paizo and it was a series of scanned images at 23 meg. So the smaller size is appreciated.

While Wizards doesn't allow page extraction it does allow you to copy text and graphics out of the book.

This is absolutely fantastic. Now if they would just set it up for print on demand!

What an ugly cover. They should have left it as it was.
Title: The 1st Edition Player Handbook PDF is back!
Post by: Akrasia on July 07, 2015, 10:14:57 AM
Great news! :)
Title: The 1st Edition Player Handbook PDF is back!
Post by: danskmacabre on July 07, 2015, 10:19:39 AM
Quote from: Omega;840131What an ugly cover. They should have left it as it was.

Yeah it's a bummer about the cover.
I've seen a few original PHBs in local 2nd hand bookshops anyway, so I don't particularly need this.
Title: The 1st Edition Player Handbook PDF is back!
Post by: JasperAK on July 07, 2015, 11:56:46 AM
I wanted to print out a sheet from the preview, but even printing is disabled. Is printing disabled with the purchased pdf?
Title: The 1st Edition Player Handbook PDF is back!
Post by: Votan on July 07, 2015, 12:43:59 PM
Quote from: estar;840115The PDF for the Advanced Dungeons and Dragons Player's Handbook is now available at RPGNow (http://www.rpgnow.com/product/17003/Players-Handbook-1e?it=1). While it does have the reprint cover it has the remastered searchable text and the file size clocks in a 5.3 meg. I still have the version I bought off of Paizo and it was a series of scanned images at 23 meg. So the smaller size is appreciated.

It is a very good thing to have searchable text and the smaller size is even better.  That makes it easy to store on things like dropbox without losing a ton of storage space.
Title: The 1st Edition Player Handbook PDF is back!
Post by: Jame Rowe on July 07, 2015, 01:04:57 PM
I found that I'd rather play 2E if I'm going to go that Old School.
That said, the original AD&D stuff has a lot of good stuff that I am told is easily portable.
Title: The 1st Edition Player Handbook PDF is back!
Post by: thedungeondelver on July 07, 2015, 01:29:44 PM
Nice; I was wondering when this would happen.  This either signals the final sell-out of the hardcopies of the reprints or that WotC just "gave up" and decided to release the rulebook anyway.
Title: The 1st Edition Player Handbook PDF is back!
Post by: estar on July 07, 2015, 02:15:54 PM
Quote from: JasperAK;840156I wanted to print out a sheet from the preview, but even printing is disabled. Is printing disabled with the purchased pdf?

No printing is not disable with the purchased PDF
Title: The 1st Edition Player Handbook PDF is back!
Post by: RPGPundit on July 08, 2015, 01:36:57 AM
The new covers look really great in print.  I should also note that I have all three of the reprint books and they've held up spectacularly well after some heavy use over the last year or so.  They still look almost like new.
Title: The 1st Edition Player Handbook PDF is back!
Post by: ArrozConLeche on July 08, 2015, 07:39:38 AM
Is there any important difference between this and OSRIC? If I have the latter, what are the good reasons to buy the other?
Title: The 1st Edition Player Handbook PDF is back!
Post by: estar on July 08, 2015, 08:33:07 AM
Quote from: ArrozConLeche;840425Is there any important difference between this and OSRIC?

Important? No. Some details? Yes.

Monk Class, Psionics, Weapon Speed Factors, and Weapons vs. AC, different coinage system, slightly different xp tables, race class restriction.


Quote from: ArrozConLeche;840425If I have the latter, what are the good reasons to buy the other?

Well the goal of OSRIC is to get materials for 1st edition AD&D out there. The goal was to have a publisher's reference to clearly define what permissible to use and what isn't. But then gamers went off-script and started to use it as their primary rulebook.

Partly because it better organized, explains some of the original subsystem better, and has everything under one cover. Partly because of the bias of consumers to buy NEW books over USED books. Partly because hard copies showed up on dealer's tables at old-school conventions, (Black-Blade Publishing), etc.

This prompted a subsequent edition that is explicitly laid out as a rulebook. And this is the one widely available now in print.

Whether any of this is a "good" reason to use the original PHB over OSRIC is up to you. In my opinion with OSRIC you are playing a game that 95% the same as AD&D 1st.

I would go so far to say if you use OSRIC BtB you are playing a version of D&D closer to AD&D BtB than how most people played AD&D back in the day. Which was B/X Combat with AD&D details.
Title: The 1st Edition Player Handbook PDF is back!
Post by: Warthur on July 08, 2015, 08:46:03 AM
In particular, I seem to recall that 1E AD&D had this absolutely wild initiative process that more or less nobody used as written.
Title: The 1st Edition Player Handbook PDF is back!
Post by: Omega on July 08, 2015, 09:08:01 AM
Quote from: Warthur;840433In particular, I seem to recall that 1E AD&D had this absolutely wild initiative process that more or less nobody used as written.

Um... each side rolled a d6. Highest got initiative.
Title: The 1st Edition Player Handbook PDF is back!
Post by: Warthur on July 08, 2015, 10:17:26 AM
Quote from: Omega;840438Um... each side rolled a d6. Highest got initiative.
At its absolute heart, yes. But there were a heap of additional rules which modified it one way or another, and then there's the issue of how multiple attacks work. The matter's complex enough that there's multiple Dragonsfoot threads on the subject (http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3223 (http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3223)this one) provides a useful summation of the conversation to date on Dragonsfoot as of 2005, and even then it's clear that intelligent, well-read and highly experienced 1E fans like those there found it troublesome to work out.
Title: The 1st Edition Player Handbook PDF is back!
Post by: JasperAK on July 08, 2015, 10:38:21 AM
Thanks Estar. They got me with the B/X and BECMI Manuals. They'll probably get me with the 1e as well.


And then there is this concerning AD&D 1e Combat:  ADDICT (http://www.dragonsfoot.org/php4/archive.php?sectioninit=FE&fileid=263&watchfile=0)

Yeah, we used 1e/2e characters on a Basic/Expert Chassis
Title: The 1st Edition Player Handbook PDF is back!
Post by: ArrozConLeche on July 08, 2015, 04:42:12 PM
Thank you Estar. That is pretty helpful.
Title: The 1st Edition Player Handbook PDF is back!
Post by: Brad on July 08, 2015, 05:44:50 PM
Finally! Took long enough...and those stupid OCR errors still not fixed. Weak.

Quote from: ArrozConLeche;840425Is there any important difference between this and OSRIC? If I have the latter, what are the good reasons to buy the other?

Because it's AD&D. OSRIC is a "good enough" game, I suppose, but AD&D has a flavor certainly unmatched by any clone/simulacrum out there. Labyrinth Lord w/AEC is a better AD&D than OSRIC anyway, in my opinion. The argument for OSRIC was always, "Well, the original books are hard to get." Not so much anymore.
Title: The 1st Edition Player Handbook PDF is back!
Post by: RPGPundit on July 09, 2015, 10:49:44 PM
Quote from: ArrozConLeche;840425Is there any important difference between this and OSRIC? If I have the latter, what are the good reasons to buy the other?

The PHB reprint is way, way prettier.