Tenra Bansho Zero Kickstarter

J Arcane · September 24, 2012, 11:31:15 AM

Quote from: RI2;585038He is doing the layout.

Richard

Is he getting paid to do it?

Because I might have some issues with that.

RI2 · September 24, 2012, 12:02:32 PM

Quote from: J Arcane;585042Is he getting paid to do it?

Because I might have some issues with that.

Heck if I know. I am a backer of the project, and I assume he was. Why would you have an issue with it?

Richard

J Arcane · September 24, 2012, 12:16:11 PM

Quote from: RI2;585055Heck if I know. I am a backer of the project, and I assume he was. Why would you have an issue with it?

Richard

'Cause he's a dick, and I try not to give money to dicks other than my own.

Andy's good people though. I'll probably console myself with that.

RI2 · September 24, 2012, 12:24:56 PM

Quote from: J Arcane;585058'Cause he's a dick, and I try not to give money to dicks other than my own.

Andy's good people though. I'll probably console myself with that.

Ok, that is a good enough reason for me.

I agree with you about Andy, and I loved the Japanese version of the game. For me it was a no brainer.

Richard

vytzka · September 24, 2012, 01:38:07 PM

Andy said in the kickstarter writeup that all people who worked on the project had already been paid so technically none of the backers' money would go towards that. (and I'm no fan of Crane but if Andy confided in him to do this job then it works for me).

RPGPundit · September 25, 2012, 06:39:07 PM

Quote from: vytzka;584975Alas, I just checked and it was too late to get another PDF level pledge in so we'll have to listen to you talk out of your ass about conspiracies for a while now.

Sounds like a plan.

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RPGPundit · September 25, 2012, 06:41:20 PM

Quote from: Kaiu Keiichi;585024I'm not. When it hits Drivethru, I'll be happy to buy you a PDF copy for review.

That is, if he doesn't first.

Also, for the record, TBZ really isn't a story game, from what I've seen so far. I just think you're grinding your axe against Crane.

CB

I'm not claiming that I'm absolutely sure it is; what I'm saying is that on the one hand they seem to be using a double-discourse; sometimes emphasizing that its a "kabuki theatre mechanic" storygame, and when its convenient completely ignoring that and presenting it as a conventional game...

..and on the other hand, that given the people involved I have ample reason to be mistrustful. Its not "grinding an axe", its that if a snake-oil salesman has been through town twice before, its not "persecution" when you want to call him out on his phoney medicine-water before he sets up shop a third time.

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RPGPundit · September 25, 2012, 06:43:39 PM

Quote from: Kaiu Keiichi;585028So, in effect, you are reviewing the game, just not owning up to the fact that you are reviewing it.

Man up. Read the PDF and do a review, instead of hiding behind this "I need a print copy" nonsense. Show us that you're the swine crushing Pundit that we all know and love.

What a silly argument that is. I don't review PDFs, because if I did I'd be absolutely swamped with PDFs for review.

When I receive a print game someone sent me for review, I guarantee that it WILL be reviewed. My reviews are very thorough and generally considered to be honest even by people who dislike me (not unbiased, but honest). They've been known, even in the case of highly negative reviews, to bump up sales.

Why don't they "man up" and send me a review copy if they want a review?

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Skywalker · September 25, 2012, 07:00:49 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit;585522Why don't they "man up" and send me a review copy if they want a review?

Physical copies are not due until January 2013. So they wouldn't be in a position to send physical copies of the RPG for review until then. If that's a failure to "man up", then *shrug*.

FWIW I don't think they would have even turned their mind to you being a reviewer in any case. Have you tried to contact them outside of postulating in this thread?

Ladybird · September 25, 2012, 07:20:05 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit;585522Why don't they "man up" and send me a review copy if they want a review?

RPGPundit

They may well not want a Pundit review, or not consider themselves to need a Pundit Bump; there's seven years of anticipation for this game, they've done a good job of hyping it themselves.

If they don't want you to publicize their game by reviewing it for them... don't. Saves time you can spend on other things, like Arrows, or whatever you'll write next.

RPGPundit · September 26, 2012, 12:52:19 PM

Quote from: Skywalker;585537Physical copies are not due until January 2013. So they wouldn't be in a position to send physical copies of the RPG for review until then. If that's a failure to "man up", then *shrug*.

FWIW I don't think they would have even turned their mind to you being a reviewer in any case. Have you tried to contact them outside of postulating in this thread?

As I understood, they've stated they won't be sending any review copies. That's their right of course, but one has to assume that there's certain things they don't want people to know about this game.

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Dan Davenport · September 26, 2012, 01:22:49 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit;585841As I understood, they've stated they won't be sending any review copies.

That's what Andy told me, yup.

Ladybird · September 26, 2012, 01:31:50 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit;585841As I understood, they've stated they won't be sending any review copies. That's their right of course, but one has to assume that there's certain things they don't want people to know about this game.

RPGPundit

The .pdf will be available in the less reputable corners of the internet within days of it going live, if that. It's impossible to keep poor products a secret any more.

vytzka · September 26, 2012, 03:15:36 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit;585841As I understood, they've stated they won't be sending any review copies. That's their right of course, but one has to assume that there's certain things they don't want people to know about this game.

So, what do you think they're hiding exactly? 700 pages of Sorcerer rules printed over and over? A full page color picture of Andy's penis? Just a blank book?

For bonus points, for how many hours do you think they can keep the secret since the first person gets their PDF? For this exercise, try to remember that the goal of kickstarter wasn't selling books to kickstarter people, it was printing a large batch of books and selling them in gaming stores. This is not a model that's very conductive for selling bagged cats.

Skywalker · September 26, 2012, 03:59:13 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit;585841As I understood, they've stated they won't be sending any review copies. That's their right of course, but one has to assume that there's certain things they don't want people to know about this game.

No one doesn't. There is going to be 1,500 copies of the game in people's hands before the RPG is going to be on sale to anyone else. That is, almost be definition, not keeping a secret.

The assumption you make just sounds like you are being paranoid. The fact that you insist that everyone must share that assumption, just sounds like you are somehow offended that you didn't get selected to review the RPG or knee-jerk hysteria at the RPG containing something non-conventional.