How much was really changed exactly? The Thunder Plains is still that printing of the book (the few sentences that it is), the new supplement doesn't eradicate it. You can use them both in the same game for that matter.

I wondered that too. If the original entry still in the book? Or in later prints? Sounds like it is?

Quote from: Omega;841078I wondered that too. If the original entry still in the book? Or in later prints? Sounds like it is?

The Thunder Plains is in the first printing of The Strange. In subsequent printings, this new recursion is supposed to replace it. That's why this PDF is free. It's actually meant for those of us who have already bought the book.

So they did cave totally rather than median it. Thats a shame.

Sucks to loose a potentially fun setting. But Thunder Plains "write up" is like a paragraph isn't it? They're going to replace with a mini supplement full of material?

Quote from: Nexus;841107Sucks to loose a potentially fun setting. But Thunder Plains "write up" is like a paragraph isn't it? They're going to replace with a mini supplement full of material?

TP's entry is just over two pages, which is about average for the recursions in the "Other Recursions" section of the core book. Some are a little shorter (Gloaming, the one right after Thunder Plains, gets less than two pages) and some can hit three or four pages, depending on art. Ohunkakan has five pages of material with only one illustration. It won't stick out terribly but it will easily be the longest entry.

Quote from: Brand55;841129TP's entry is just over two pages, which is about average for the recursions in the "Other Recursions" section of the core book. Some are a little shorter (Gloaming, the one right after Thunder Plains, gets less than two pages) and some can hit three or four pages, depending on art. Ohunkakan has five pages of material with only one illustration. It won't stick out terribly but it will easily be the longest entry.

I'd gotten the impression it was much shorter. Should be interesting reading. It's still a shame that they the company ended up essentially caving to this pressure and lost something that was flavorful and showed something of the games nature despite the replacement material being good as well when they could have at least shared space in the setting and shown more of the variety and bizarre possibilities of Recursions.

Quote from: Nexus;841144I'd gotten the impression it was much shorter. Should be interesting reading. It's still a shame that they the company ended up essentially caving to this pressure and lost something that was flavorful and showed something of the games nature despite the replacement material being good as well when they could have at least shared space in the setting and shown more of the variety and bizarre possibilities of Recursions.

The chapter TP is in contains three sections of "other recursions." The first gets anywhere from about two to four pages (depending on art). Without art, they run no more than about two pages each. These take up the majority of the chapter, and TP is one of them.

The second type of recursion gets only one or two paragraphs. Then finally there is a page of "Recursions in the Public Domain" like Oz or Innsmouth with another page of artifacts like the Necronomicon and a Vorpal Sword. Combined, these last two sections list about a dozen recursions plus some other stuff on the last 4-5 pages of the chapter.

I'm glad that we got Ohunkakan. I haven't got a chance to read it (I'm way behind on my rpg-related reading) but I expect it will be good considering who wrote it. I would have preferred if Thunder Plains hadn't been cut out, though.

Quote from: Zak S;840689I excluded "isn't enough" because:

1. That would involve them in directly addressing Anthony and Alina's existence, which is embarrassing since they are (yet more) members of a marginalized group with undeniable talent who aren't Drama Club members

2. The more professionally-connected members of the Drama Club, would be forced to be welcoming to at least Anthony (since he's on G+) and this would mean there'd be a split between people who were forced into a "welcome Anthony to the fold of RPG freelancers!" position and those who were had forced themselves into a "nothing MCG could possibly do is enough!" position.

You actually see #2 happen a lot when the stakes are a little lower--the members of the Drama Club with RPG jobs have to kind of dissociate themselves from the positions taken by the people who have taken up positions which directly challenge people they'll have to see at Gen Con the next year or be on panels with or work with.

So you can see like Ettin vituperate against Mike Mearls but then Shannon Appelcline just has to kind of go Ettin? Who's that? Guy who works on my site? Never heard of him.

Yes, that's a good assessment.