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(tekumel) Can anyone really give a good reason...

Started by RPGPundit, October 26, 2014, 02:32:06 AM

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crkrueger

#45
October 27, 2014, 03:34:35 PM
Quote from: LarsdanglyUseless dimwitted fuckery.
Butcher said it well, I'll just add...

Even the the "cutting edge" storygamers for all their talk of narrative, plot, and drama are fucking obsessed with the god damned rules they use. - Estar

Yes, Sean Connery\'s thumb does indeed do megadamage. - Spinachcat

Isuldur is a badass because he stopped Sauron with a broken sword, but Iluvatar is the badass because he stopped Sauron with a hobbit. -Malleus Arianorum

"Tangency Edition" D&D would have no classes or races, but 17 genders to choose from. -TristramEvans

The Butcher

#46
October 27, 2014, 03:45:19 PM
Quote from: talysman;794512He certainly isn't saying that people are to lazy to read.... And he's not even saying that new or different rules are wrong, or that rules systems should be universal. He'saskiing whether you really need to publish a "new game" that is really just some other game with different healing rules and a different way to roll dice. It could totally be done as plugins, as in fact it was done in The Dragon and various RPG zines back in the day.

I've had plans for doing my own retroclone for a while, which has drifted in focus away from emphasizing specific mechanics and towards the general structure of how the game is played. It really shouldn't matter if you are rolling 1d20 or 3d6 or d100 over a target number, or under an ability score, or rolling for broad abilities or specific skills, or using a unified mechanic or mixing it up based on what seems best. It's all a matter of taste.

I don't do rules design because I don't think I have anything new to bring to the table.

I am not, however, so pretentious as to imagine that, because I don't, no one else does.

Monte Cook wrote a new system for Numenera and The Strange. If he had statted them both in TSR D&D or BRP terms, I'd be enjoying them just as much. But if he used FATE or HeroQuest, I would've missed out on both.

I've been having too much fun with systems written in the last decade to declare the death of RPG ruleset design.

Bren

#47
October 27, 2014, 05:46:12 PM
Quote from: talysman;794512It really shouldn't matter if you are rolling 1d20 or 3d6 or d100 over a target number, or under an ability score, or rolling for broad abilities or specific skills, or using a unified mechanic or mixing it up based on what seems best. It's all a matter of taste.
So it really shouldn't matter to anyone if they are drinking warm, chlorinated tap water, a flat Diet Coke, ice cold Miller Light, or .5 L of heavenly Trappist brewed Orval since it is all just a matter of taste.

Yeah that'll fly. :rolleyes:
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Larsdangly

#48
October 27, 2014, 08:11:01 PM
The best way to triage arguments about these sorts of things is to get out a ruler and measure how much of your screen is filled by each post. Whoever flails at the message board with the longest wall of text is wrong.

The Butcher

#49
October 27, 2014, 08:13:46 PM
Quote from: Larsdangly;794556The best way to triage arguments about these sorts of things is to get out a ruler and measure how much of your screen is filled by each post. Whoever flails at the message board with the longest wall of text is wrong.

Your loss.

Welcome to the ignore list, BTW. Tell The Traveller I said hi.

Bedrockbrendan

#50
October 27, 2014, 08:26:48 PM
Quote from: CRKrueger;794510Bravo!

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Yes, I think Butcher said it well. I personally like having systems to choose from to fit what I'm going for. For those who want to play a standard system: like Rob said D&D and its variations pretty much serve that function in the hobby. For the smaller number of us who also want to play other systems, we are not forcing anyone else to do the same.

Bedrockbrendan

#51
October 27, 2014, 08:28:21 PM
Quote from: The Butcher;794509No hobby would be better with less variety.

On the other hand, every hobby on Earth would be a lot better without the self-appointed, all-knowing, stick-up-their-asses gatekeepers, clamoring for objective standards in elf-pretend, often of the sort that eludes even science and engineering.
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This.

cranebump

#52
October 27, 2014, 08:59:48 PM
Quote from: Larsdangly;794446I await your rebuttal with disinterest. I've heard it all before, and it is always a fucked up mess. The unfortunate truth is that ours is a hobby by and for nerds (real nerds; not what passes for nerd-dom in today's pop culture). And we, as nerds, have a habitual pattern of legalistic fiddling and debate. The creative energy that gets invested in this wankery is just tragic.

Well...have to say, I agree with this. However, I've wasted the same amount of creative energy making the case for Jack Morris getting in the baseball Hall of Fame. (You think nerds are bad? Get a few die hard baseball geeks together who really know their shit, and watch what happens).
"When devils will the blackest sins put on, they do suggest at first with heavenly shows..."

Will

#53
October 27, 2014, 09:16:32 PM
I've seen OneTrueWayism my entire life in many guises. What Butcher said.

(And hey, it's nice when we can all come together, joined in beautiful harmony by someone putting a jetpack on their foot and firing it up their own ass)
This forum is great in that the moderators aren\'t jack-booted fascists.

Unfortunately, this forum is filled with total a-holes, including a bunch of rape culture enabling dillholes.

So embracing the \'no X is better than bad X,\' I\'m out of here. If you need to find me I\'m sure you can.

Bilharzia

#54
October 27, 2014, 09:27:19 PM
Tempting as it is to join the Pile-On/Berserk-Rage against Lars, he's essentially saying the same thing as the OP,
"Would there be any meaningful advantage to using something that would NOT be compatible with D&D and with every other OSR game??"

Will

#55
October 27, 2014, 09:32:57 PM
Quote from: Bilharzia;794569Tempting as it is to join the Pile-On/Berserk-Rage against Lars, he's essentially saying the same thing as the OP,
"Would there be any meaningful advantage to using something that would NOT be compatible with D&D and with every other OSR game??"

No, he's not.

Saying 'there should only be 3-4 games ever and all these differences are stupid' is a lot different than 'this game has various links to D&D and seems ideal for an OSR game so why are they doing something very different?'
This forum is great in that the moderators aren\'t jack-booted fascists.

Unfortunately, this forum is filled with total a-holes, including a bunch of rape culture enabling dillholes.

So embracing the \'no X is better than bad X,\' I\'m out of here. If you need to find me I\'m sure you can.

crkrueger

#56
October 27, 2014, 09:33:28 PM
Quote from: Will;794566(And hey, it's nice when we can all come together, joined in beautiful harmony by someone putting a jetpack on their foot and firing it up their own ass)
Ok, now that was funny.
Even the the "cutting edge" storygamers for all their talk of narrative, plot, and drama are fucking obsessed with the god damned rules they use. - Estar

Yes, Sean Connery\'s thumb does indeed do megadamage. - Spinachcat

Isuldur is a badass because he stopped Sauron with a broken sword, but Iluvatar is the badass because he stopped Sauron with a hobbit. -Malleus Arianorum

"Tangency Edition" D&D would have no classes or races, but 17 genders to choose from. -TristramEvans

Larsdangly

#57
October 27, 2014, 09:33:37 PM
QuoteTempting as it is to join the Pile-On/Berserk-Rage against Lars, he's essentially saying the same thing as the OP,
"Would there be any meaningful advantage to using something that would NOT be compatible with D&D and with every other OSR game??"

Correct. Plus:

TheShadow

#58
October 27, 2014, 10:56:03 PM
Quote from: Old Geezer;794481This is a hobby about making up shit you think will be fun.

Jeff Dee made up some shit he thought would be fun.  All else is nonsense.

And Tekumel is a fringe subgroup in a fringe hobby; except for the top three or for companies, there is no fucking money in gaming.  And whether Tekumel is "OSR" or not is utterly irrelevant to the 500 or so hard core Tekumel faithful.  There is a core group who will buy virtually anything with Tekumel on the cover, and beyond that group, sales are trivial.

Let's try not to get fooled by our own press releases, shall we?

Pretty much. I imagine that anyone who wants to do an OGL/d20-compatible Tekumel could talk to the IP holders and get it done. Jeff Dee didn't feel like doing it that way.
You can shake your fists at the sky. You can do a rain dance. You can ignore the clouds completely. But none of them move the clouds.

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Bren

#59
October 28, 2014, 12:15:54 AM
And since a picture is worth a thousand words, by Lars' own method of determining which argument is wrong, Lars is wrong.
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