... fuck, yes, Liefeld.

(shouldn't post before I finish my first coffee)

Quote from: Will;813740Unless you are Lieber. Then your bad hands are ETERNAL

Not if you HIDE THEM! Works for feet too. Just hide them!

And distract the viewer with more belt pouches.

Quote from: Necrozius;813747Not if you HIDE THEM! Works for feet too. Just hide them!

And distract the viewer with more belt pouches.

Said it before and I'll say it again, Leifeld isn't so much a bad artist as a lazy one. I've liked his pieces when he puts effort into them but he takes allot of shortcuts (like hiding hands and feet), some of which only another artist might notice at first but once they're pointed out you can't unsee them.

Quote from: Nexus;813750Said it before and I'll say it again, Leifeld isn't so much a bad artist as a lazy one. I've liked his pieces when he puts effort into them but he takes allot of shortcuts (like hiding hands and feet), some of which only another artist might notice at first but once they're pointed out you can't unsee them.

I think they're pretty noticeable...

Quote from: TristramEvans;813752I think they're pretty noticeable...

Yes, that's a particularly egregious example but, believe it or not, some didn't notice allot of that until it was pointed out. That's what the only naked version is about, highlighting the anatomical errors that the costume made less noticeable to untrained eyes.

It's weird how much we can edit our perception without noticing. I'm not defending Leifeld but I think his failures are more due to a lack of effort than a lack of talent. YMMV. In a way being lazy is worse than being untalented. One can't be helped much the other is pretty much a deliberate choice.

Edit: And I think some of the criticism of his work is allowably subjective like the costume choices (the belt pouches, for example). I've seen several costumes and character designs in the Leifeildian style by other artists that I really liked.

Or, comic book readers are so used to absolutely fucking terrible artwork that folks' perceptions are trained to accept crap as normal.

Even as a teenager I felt that he was a cheaper version of Jim Lee and Marc Silvestri. Like, he was trying to draw like them. In a way, he kind of feels like all those artists who ape Mike Mignola's style but don't QUITE get it right.

But I'm no hypocrite: I'm a failed artist, myself. Liefeld could out-draw me anyday. I'm just comparing him to other artists from his level.

(shrug) I never understood the appeal of Liefeld.

As a teen I just put it down to the most people having no discerning eye for art.

Quote from: TristramEvans;813760(shrug) I never understood the appeal of Liefeld.

As a teen I just put it down to the most people having no discerning eye for art.

I'm not a huge comics guy, but from what I understand his appeal for comic book companies is being reliable. And, well. That counts for a lot.

From a business perspective adequate and reliable is nearly always better than brilliant but erratic. Reliably bad though...

Liefeld makes me want to give Marvel an X-Card. My eyes, it burns!

Quote from: Will;813761I'm not a huge comics guy, but from what I understand his appeal for comic book companies is being reliable. And, well. That counts for a lot.

I'd heard that too. Though he did burn his fellow Image creators.

Quote from: Will;813761I'm not a huge comics guy, but from what I understand his appeal for comic book companies is being reliable. And, well. That counts for a lot.

That's what I've heard too and it lead to high demand which only fed his lazy bad habit by making them profitable.

On a related but nicer note, (although a touch off-topic) if you ever wonder why Keanu Reeves gets so much work despite being kind of... a block of wood, from what I've read he's INCREDIBLY easy to work with and extremely nice to everyone.

Which makes me feel good about his success.

I've heard the same. Internet full of horror stories of actors who are just real asses. Cost Wesley Snipes his film career. The stories about Gene Hackman on the set of Royal Tenenbaums are horrid (though they make Bill Murray look all the more awesome - watching him right now in my annual Groudhog Day viewing).


But yeah, really off topic.

To bring it back to nudity in rpg art (or art in general), I think Liefeld illustrates my proposition that its about quality more than content. If Liefeld were to draw some naked women, even if they would probably look horrid enough I couldnt see anyone getting aroused), it would come across to me as cheap sensationalism. That's where, for myself, it would cross the line into sexism. But an artist like Mike Mignola were to include nudity in a comic, I'd trust that it was about the craft and done for a specific purpose beyond simply puerile sexuality.

Quote from: Will;813743... fuck, yes, Liefeld.

(shouldn't post before I finish my first coffee)

The human body does not bend that way. (Unless you are my niece...)