Quote from: Bren;810105To limited? Maybe for a one off?

I am curious what you'll end up with art-wise.

Right now we are just talking about nudity for one image. Most likely a goddess. It is a very different project and different style of art than we normally do.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;810017Given that we have one game that features Caligula as a hero and another where the whole point is to be murderous mobsters,I've long assumed adults are our audience. I don't think our books need ADULT on the cover or anything but I never imagine our books are intended for teenagers or younger. That said,we have never featured nudity in our books. In this case I feel like the artist made a very good case to me why it was a good idea. Certainly don't want to alienate readers but I do want to put out a book that does what we want. This is definitely a more experimental project than some of our other games.

I do appreciate the honest feedback from everyone. It is helpful. At least I know what we are getting into if we go this direction.

Heres a bit of advice that might or might not work for you.

When I did the prelim illos for SMT I worked with the idea that there would be two books. One with more adult art in it, and one with none. It was the same approach I used when shipping Red Shetland. The order form had a check mark for adult or non. This determined the interior art and which comic book shipped with the RPG as well.

GOO some years later did a simmilar thing with one of their BESM expansions. Though for that all they did was change the cover art and title to appease retailers.

Original cover


censored cover


You might want to consider that option IF it is feasable.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;810113Right now we are just talking about nudity for one image. Most likely a goddess. It is a very different project and different style of art than we normally do.

Dude, if there's one kind of depiction where hardly anyone sane would object to nudity it's that of a goddess.  They kind of wear and do what they feel like, you know?

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;810097Victorians and Popes definitely not our audience.

I would love to run Call of Cthulhu for the Pope.

Quote from: Spinachcat;810092The United States is locked in full blown psycho stupid over the issues of Sex and Violence. The internet only made it worse.

If 9/11 had been started by topless feminists, America might have done something a little bit crazy.

JG

How did I not buy a book called Cute & Fuzzy Cockfighting Seizure Monsters???

It's Pokemon for BESM, right? Good stuff or not?

Quote from: James Gillen;810161If 9/11 had been started by topless feminists, America might have done something a little bit crazy.

There'd be a special Hot or Not website just for terrorists? The webmaster of Rate My Boobs gets interviewed on the nightly news?

Still would have invaded Iraq though, but Janet Jackson totally gets thrown in Gitmo.

Quote from: Spinachcat;810238Still would have invaded Iraq though, but Janet Jackson totally gets thrown in Gitmo.

If that's not already a porno, it should be.

Quote from: CRKrueger;810250If that's not already a porno, it should be.

It is now. Law of Quantum Internet Perversity aka: Schrodinger's Porn.

Will...not...google...

Quote from: Spinachcat;810273Will...not...google...

Yeah, right.

Should...not...have...googled...

Quote from: Spinachcat;810238How did I not buy a book called Cute & Fuzzy Cockfighting Seizure Monsters???

It's Pokemon for BESM, right? Good stuff or not?

Battling pet monsters for BESM. Its in part a jab at the whole genre which IS cockfighing. The rules included playing the pets and playing the owners.

And speaking of nudity. Their Tenchi Muyo RPG had a few nude pics in it, all from the anime and pretty well selected too. The series itself was pretty tame too for that matter.

Quote from: Silverlion;809187I'll be honest, I don't know. I don't mind a well done human figure, however, I'm not sure we should be treating game books as "art books," and most of the nudity of artistic types I've seen are all exclusive to either paintings on walls, or art books.

Nowdays you can find that in places like Deviant Art, or tumblr. Yet, while I know its there, its not something I look for--it simply is a thing.

A lot of it may depend on "what nude" and "what is he/she doing" (why yes, there should be nude males if there are nude females.)


However, what instance in a game book would a nude art piece illustrate? I mean, fighting nude is not smart. Standing there nude illustrates nothing going on in a game, so really what would the purpose of nude art serve?

Hellas for example has a few bits in its books IIRC, and it fits the Greek themes, but I'm not sure where else that would be appropriate for a gaming context.


Plus, I don't want to have to hide game books I'm reading when I'm visiting friends because of an artistic choice--they have kids not of an age where seeing that is likely approved. (I'd have to ask) and I like being able to read my books wherever I go..

I feel devientart is a poor example to use here there definition of pornography is an insult to both art and pornography.

As for what it could convey to lift an example from my campaign nudity can be used for tragedy one of the lichs in the setting has a sever sex addiction although i was originally going to run it comically i have decided to show it as tragic instead and it would be hard to portray sex addiction without nudity. And oh god yes i hate the double standards of male and female nudity it is one of the biggest problems with the previously mentioned devientart definition of pornography. And i dont know if it really falls under tasteful but nudity also works well for creatures such as the succubus crack open the book of vile darkness theres breasts everywhere but it all works well. I would not find having to hide my books a problem as i dont think i would be friends with somebody that thought it a good idea to hide there children from genitals. even none tasteful nudity can be alright sometimes the 3.5 monster manual nymph was pure fapbait but thats ok nymphs are meant to be attractive.

Ah, to be 13 again.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;809191How would you feel about nudity that is a stylistic choice, that isn't meant to be taken literally. For example something like Watson and the Shark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watson_and_the_Shark).

not a big fan