Quote from: The Traveller;706904Oh jesus just shut the fuck up.


I don't know what's more entertaining, that you think you're playing to the crowd or that the crowd is... you...

Ever notice how all your threads end up as you shouting into the void, declaring victory while posting nonsense?

Quote from: soviet;706905Hey, go check out how the pundit's games are doing over there as well. I'll wait.

Yes, count your earnings while you're at it. And...

...done.

Quote from: soviet;706905How would we benefit from it?

Are you off your head - a unique product, a unique experience, low cost, long lived, you'd better believe seperate branding will benefit every RPG publisher.

Quote from: soviet;706906Ever notice how all your threads end up as you shouting into the void, declaring victory while posting nonsense?

Feel free to check out my threads, they're right there in my profile. I suspect that stinging sensation you get from reading the efforts of someone with an actual imagination will pass shortly.

Quote from: The Traveller;706908Are you off your head - a unique product, a unique experience, low cost, long lived, you'd better believe seperate branding will benefit every RPG publisher.

How would using a different term from computer RPGs affect any of those things?

Quote from: soviet;706909How would using a different term from computer RPGs affect any of those things?

Okay let me break it down

-  Most people see RPGs, the term and the concept as computer games. This is beyond dispute.

- In the unlikely event that someone comes across TTRPGs they will more than likely see them as a primitive version of CRPGs, and move on

 - A different name, seperate branding for TTRPGs will allow the industry to highlight the many advantages that TTRPGs have over CRPGs, and they are real, substantial advantages

- If this happens I would expect the popularity of TTRPGs to blossom as a hobby in their own right rather than as version one of CRPGs

- Ergo every RPG publisher could expect a sharp uptick in their earnings

NB: I'm not downplaying the value of computer games, they do what they do quite well, and this includes things that TTRPGs can't. But, and vice-versa.

Quote from: The Traveller;706910Okay let me break it down

-  Most people see RPGs, the term and the concept as computer games. This is beyond dispute.

- In the unlikely event that someone comes across TTRPGs they will more than likely see them as a primitive version of CRPGs, and move on

 - A different name, seperate branding for TTRPGs will allow the industry to highlight the many advantages that TTRPGs have over CRPGs, and they are real, substantial advantages

- If this happens I would expect the popularity of TTRPGs to blossom as a hobby in their own right rather than as version one of CRPGs

- Ergo every RPG publisher could expect a sharp uptick in their earnings

NB: I'm not downplaying the value of computer games, they do what they do quite well, and this includes things that TTRPGs can't. But, and vice-versa.

That doesn't follow at all.

I don't dispute that TTRPGs have many advantages over CRPGs. But I think that most people have a broad understanding that tabletop RPGing also exists. I've never had to go beyone 'you know, like D&D' to make myself clear to people. Calling TTRPGs 'adventure games' or whatever, even if you had a way of popularising the term (which you do not), would have no impact on sales or popularity at all. The people who want to play TTRPGs will continue to find them and the people who don't will continue to stick with CRPGs.

Quote from: soviet;706912But I think that most people have a broad understanding that tabletop RPGing also exists

Whatever. Google thinks you're wrong. IGN thinks you're wrong. I think you're wrong. I haven't any peer reviewed studies to back me up but that's because there's fuckall money in this hobby which is because people think they're getting the RPG experience by playing WoW.

You want to make real money, row in behind the idea, because we'll get nowhere without industry buy-in.

Quote from: The Traveller;706864Or, you're backpedalling after not reading the thread.

I don't think there's much dispute that the RPG hobby, our RPG hobby, has suffered by the misappropriation of its title. If you want support hit Google, as indicated in the linked thread, you'll find all the support you need. There's plenty of dispute as to what to do about it, the hat I'm throwing into the ring says "change the name". Most hats say "I don't really care", which is great from a personal perspective but isn't doing the hobby as a whole any favours. And this is a matter of concern to me.

No backpedalling required.

I could just as easily say to you "we're not talking about whether you care that Googling rpgs brings up a bunch of video game content", and it would be equally disingenuous. Because you care about something doesn't mean other posters need to or that dictating that only people making posts that agree with what you care about are relevant.

Otherwise, all you're asking for is an echo chamber.

So you're concerned that when people Google RPG the majority of results are for video games. That explains WHAT you're concerned about but no it why. So, the thing we are discussing is simply how much people bother to care about that. There's been nothing as yet posted to progress the conversation beyond that.

I responded saying I wouldn't mind if an RPG called itself something different after you suggested the solution to the problem you perceive is to come up with another name., essentially simply supporting your proposition. Why that annoyed you, I cannot imagine, other than your assumption that your concerns are somehow worthy of more of a response than that. And I'm saying, if you want to discuss your premise in detail, fine, start by supporting your premise and give me something to work with or consider.

I as yet have not seen any problem in people confusing the two.

Quote from: The Traveller;706913Whatever. Google thinks you're wrong. IGN thinks you're wrong.

Google and IGN do not say this at all. Google says that the most popular use of the term RPG refers to CCRPGs. That is not the same as saying that people do not know that TTRPGs exist.

Quote from: TristramEvans;706915Because you care about something doesn't mean other posters need to or that dictating that only people making posts that agree with what you care about are relevant.

Never claimed otherwise, but the thread has most certainly gone in that direction.

Quote from: TristramEvans;706915So you're concerned that when people Google RPG the majority of results are for video games. That explains WHAT you're concerned about but no it why.

These games provide a direct and easily accessable portal to raw imagination. They tell adults that it's okay to play make believe again. What more why do you need.

Quote from: TristramEvans;706915I as yet have not seen any problem in people confusing the two.

Yes, except everyone using Google.

Quote from: soviet;706918Google and IGN do not say this at all. Google says that the most popular use of the term RPG refers to CCRPGs. That is not the same as saying that people do not know that TTRPGs exist.

Okay, you don't like money. Your call.

You're still not making any sense. How would calling TTRPGs or CRPGs something else make anyone any extra money?

Quote from: soviet;706921You're still not making any sense. How would calling TTRPGs or CRPGs something else make anyone any extra money?

I'm all out of crayons so you're going to have to go back and reread the posts in the previous page. Flex those marketing chops, baby.

Quote from: The Traveller;706923I'm all out of crayons so you're going to have to go back and reread the posts in the previous page. Flex those marketing chops, baby.

1. Call TTRPGs something else
2.
3. Profit!

Okay, so why not package and market rpgs just like video games to stealthily steal the market?
Hell, let's do it one better and call rpgs Video games.

"System Requirements: an imagination"

See, I really don't think the people who play videogsmes do so just because the don't know rpgs exist. The idea that they're in competition  I still think is misguided. 2 very different forms of entertainment.

Quote from: soviet;7069251. Call TTRPGs something else
2.
3. Profit!

Thread win.