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Tabletop RPGs vs. video games: the former are 'better'

Started by elfandghost, November 10, 2013, 03:30:46 AM

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The Traveller

#75
November 10, 2013, 05:26:21 PM
Quote from: Emperor Norton;706885Oh come on. Come back with an actual argument, rather than pretending you've actually won already.
By the lights of anyone not arguing for the sake of arguing, I have.

Quote from: Emperor Norton;706885Make a point, make a counterargument. Pretending you've won a debate before you've made a decent point is idiotic, and if anyone is being laughed at, I doubt its me.
Who cares what you think? You've already made it clear you believe that the differences between the definitions of the antiquated and well recognised term "buck" are equivalent to  the differences between the definitions of the very recent and massively more closely related term "RPG" in any given context, which tells anyone reading that you're either clueless or not arguing in good faith.

So eh, yeah.
"These children are playing with dark and dangerous powers!"
"What else are you meant to do with dark and dangerous powers?"
A concise overview of GNS theory.
Quote from: that muppet vince baker on RPGsIf you care about character arcs or any, any, any lit 101 stuff, I\'d choose a different game.

The Traveller

#76
November 10, 2013, 05:29:49 PM
Quote from: soviet;706888Nice post.

By which I mean, a nice strong piece of timber, metal, or the like, set upright as a support. Obviously.
Nobody's under any illusions that marketing is your strong suit son, as evidenced by the enormous influence of your "game".

Quote from: Sacrosanct;706887IGN is a video game site.  You expect them to talk about games other than video games?
Would you care to run down the street asking people what the term "RPG" means? I wager you'll get similar results as google provides - 99% computer games.

But sure, there's no brand confusion here.
"These children are playing with dark and dangerous powers!"
"What else are you meant to do with dark and dangerous powers?"
A concise overview of GNS theory.
Quote from: that muppet vince baker on RPGsIf you care about character arcs or any, any, any lit 101 stuff, I\'d choose a different game.

Sacrosanct

#77
November 10, 2013, 05:31:55 PM
Quote from: The Traveller;706891Nobody's under any illusions that marketing is your strong suit son, as evidenced by the enormous influence of your "game".


Would you care to run down the street asking people what the term "RPG" means? I wager you'll get similar results as google provides - 99% computer games.

But sure, there's no brand confusion here.

I'm pretty the answer would either be

a: something terrorists shoot at vehicles

or

b: something geeks do
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

soviet

#78
November 10, 2013, 05:35:41 PM
Quote from: The Traveller;706891Nobody's under any illusions that marketing is your strong suit son, as evidenced by the enormous influence of your "game".

The one that's an electrum best seller on DriveThruRPG, that one? Or have you posted without thinking again?
Buy Other Worlds, it\'s a multi-genre storygame excuse for an RPG designed to wreck the hobby from within

The Traveller

#79
November 10, 2013, 05:35:48 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;706893a: something terrorists shoot at vehicles
I forgot, not all of us live in highly militarised cultures.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;706893b: something geeks do
Yes, because only "geeks" play MMOs. And besides them, only the relations of geeks have any information about what RPGs are.
"These children are playing with dark and dangerous powers!"
"What else are you meant to do with dark and dangerous powers?"
A concise overview of GNS theory.
Quote from: that muppet vince baker on RPGsIf you care about character arcs or any, any, any lit 101 stuff, I\'d choose a different game.

therealjcm

#80
November 10, 2013, 05:37:12 PM
Even back in the 80s and 90s I called them adventure games or tabletop rpgs, because a good portion of people thought that "role playing" was playing out characters in a sexual fantasy - or LARPing, or a combination of the two.

The Traveller

#81
November 10, 2013, 05:37:33 PM
Quote from: soviet;706894The one that's an electrum best seller on DriveThruRPG, that one? Or have you posted without thinking again?
You know, I wasn't even aware there was an electrum best seller list. Good for you, sport.
"These children are playing with dark and dangerous powers!"
"What else are you meant to do with dark and dangerous powers?"
A concise overview of GNS theory.
Quote from: that muppet vince baker on RPGsIf you care about character arcs or any, any, any lit 101 stuff, I\'d choose a different game.

soviet

#82
November 10, 2013, 05:38:08 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;706893I'm pretty the answer would either be

a: something terrorists shoot at vehicles

or

b: something geeks do

And if your group consists of geek terrorists, every invitation to 'come and do some RPGing' is fraught with danger :)
Buy Other Worlds, it\'s a multi-genre storygame excuse for an RPG designed to wreck the hobby from within

soviet

#83
November 10, 2013, 05:41:22 PM
Quote from: The Traveller;706897You know, I wasn't even aware there was an electrum best seller list. Good for you, sport.

Your ignorance becomes painfully obvious yet again! Electrum is the top 3%, between silver and gold. Keep trying though.
Buy Other Worlds, it\'s a multi-genre storygame excuse for an RPG designed to wreck the hobby from within

JonWake

#84
November 10, 2013, 05:42:45 PM
If I want to play a detailed game about characters with all consuming drives where anything can happen, I'll always go to tabletop.  If I want the visceral thrill of dropping ten stories onto a rapist's spine and kickin' evil in it's turkey neck, I'll play Arkham City.

Sacrosanct

#85
November 10, 2013, 05:44:42 PM
Quote from: The Traveller;706895I forgot, not all of us live in highly militarised cultures.


Yes, because only "geeks" play MMOs. And besides them, only the relations of geeks have any information about what RPGs are.

dude, you asked what the typical reaction would be.  I gave it.  Not my problem your own scenario doesn't help your argument
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

soviet

#86
November 10, 2013, 05:45:06 PM
Quote from: JonWake;706900If I want the visceral thrill of dropping ten stories onto a rapist's spine

Just to clarify for Traveller, do you mean short stories or novels? He finds context difficult to interpret
Buy Other Worlds, it\'s a multi-genre storygame excuse for an RPG designed to wreck the hobby from within

The Traveller

#87
November 10, 2013, 05:46:15 PM
Quote from: soviet;706899Your ignorance becomes painfully obvious yet again! Electrum is the top 3%, between silver and gold. Keep trying though.
So what, eleven or twelve sales?

Seriously though, this argument is long over. The world and its dog defines RPGs in terms of computer games. We need a better name for the hobby, and everyone will benefit by it. Nobody loses. It's not really a surprise to me that people might dispute the fact on the gin-soaked intarwebs, but equally it doesn't bother me in the same way that it didn't bother Galileo that people were arguing about heliocentrism.

This needs to happen.
"These children are playing with dark and dangerous powers!"
"What else are you meant to do with dark and dangerous powers?"
A concise overview of GNS theory.
Quote from: that muppet vince baker on RPGsIf you care about character arcs or any, any, any lit 101 stuff, I\'d choose a different game.

The Traveller

#88
November 10, 2013, 05:47:56 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;706901dude, you asked what the typical reaction would be.  I gave it.  Not my problem your own scenario doesn't help your argument
Oh jesus just shut the fuck up.

Quote from: soviet;706902Just to clarify for Traveller, do you mean short stories or novels? He finds context difficult to interpret
I don't know what's more entertaining, that you think you're playing to the crowd or that the crowd is... you...
"These children are playing with dark and dangerous powers!"
"What else are you meant to do with dark and dangerous powers?"
A concise overview of GNS theory.
Quote from: that muppet vince baker on RPGsIf you care about character arcs or any, any, any lit 101 stuff, I\'d choose a different game.

soviet

#89
November 10, 2013, 05:49:18 PM
Quote from: The Traveller;706903So what, eleven or twelve sales?

Hey, go check out how the pundit's games are doing over there as well. I'll wait.

Quote from: The Traveller;706903Seriously though, this argument is long over. The world and its dog defines RPGs in terms of computer games. We need a better name for the hobby, and everyone will benefit by it. Nobody loses.

How would we benefit from it?
Buy Other Worlds, it\'s a multi-genre storygame excuse for an RPG designed to wreck the hobby from within
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