Quote from: TristramEvans;706852Yeah, I personally don't care much if an RPG refers to itself as an adventure game, storytelling game

I went flower picking today and shot 6 quail.  Flower picking also means hunting with shot guns.  

Quote from: The Traveller;706849That is a pretty ignorant post.

this is a pretty ironic thing to say, since your position is one dependant on ignorance of what RPGs are actually defined as.

Quote from: The Traveller;706864Or, you're backpedalling after not reading the thread.

I don't think there's much dispute that the RPG hobby, our RPG hobby, has suffered by the misappropriation of its title. If you want support hit Google, as indicated in the linked thread, you'll find all the support you need. There's plenty of dispute as to what to do about it, the hat I'm throwing into the ring says "change the name". Most hats say "I don't really care", which is great from a personal perspective but isn't doing the hobby as a whole any favours. And this is a matter of concern to me.

Personally I say change what the OTHER things are called. As with Story games and storytelling games. Both happily off in their own sections. Though story game gets often confused with storytelling.

One problem is that no matter what you do. Someone is going to slap the wrong tag on the wrong game just to attract a few suckers. Games Workshop did it with Space Hulk. Reads right on the box. RPG. We are seeing it increasingly with the MMO term. Lots of MSOs (Massively single player) get tagged as MMOs.

I've never encountered a single person who didn't know what I was talking about when I talk about tabletop RPGs. The idea that there is actual brand confusion is an invention.

Anyone who knows enough about video gaming to know what the RPG genre is in video games generally also knows what tabletop RPGs are. The Google search thing doesn't have anything to do with brand confusion, it has to do with the fact that video games are a mainstream interest, while tabletop games are niche.

Quote from: Omega;706874Personally I say change what the OTHER things are called.

Not possible, there's far too much inertia in the computer game definition alone to ever dream of changing it at this stage.

No, we need to carve out our game space, own that space, and then grow that space.

Quote from: Emperor Norton;706875The idea that there is actual brand confusion is an invention.

Of course it is.

Quote from: The Traveller;706877
Of course it is.

It's called context genius. When "Top 100 RPGs of All Time" is put on a video gaming site, just maybe, maybe they are talking about video game RPGs.

The fact that you don't think they are "RPGs" has nothing to do with what the video game genre is called here in the real world.

Quote from: Emperor Norton;706878It's called context genius. When "Top 100 RPGs of All Time" is put on a video gaming site, just maybe, maybe they are talking about video game RPGs.

The fact that you don't think they are "RPGs" has nothing to do with what the video game genre is called here in the real world.

So, here we are on the RPG Site, and I've just linked to the top 100 RPGs as listed by IGN, and Emperor Norton feels there's no brand confusion.

Genius, yeah.

So if someone pays you a hundred bucks, you expect a bunch of male deer to be delivered to you?

Quote from: Emperor Norton;706882So if someone pays you a hundred bucks, you expect a bunch of male deer to be delivered to you?

There comes a time in everyone's life when they need to ask themselves, "do I leave it there or do I continue to be pasted up and down the internet".

This is that time, EN.

Quote from: The Traveller;706883There comes a time in everyone's life when they need to ask themselves, "do I leave it there or do I continue to be pasted up and down the internet".

This is that time, EN.

Oh come on. Come back with an actual argument, rather than pretending you've actually won already. Make a point, make a counterargument. Pretending you've won a debate before you've made a decent point is idiotic, and if anyone is being laughed at, I doubt its me.

Different terms can mean different things in different contexts. If I see RPGs mentioned on this site, I get a different expectation than if RPGs are mentioned on IGN. Because THIS site is a site for Tabletop RPGs, and IGN is mostly focused on VIDEO GAMES. And in my experience, that is how most people are. Even the hardcore video gamers who have never touched a tabletop game still KNOW what a tabletop RPG is in almost every case.

But your contention is that context doesn't exist in determining how the term is being used and whether there is confusion over it. So I ask again: If someone pays you a 100 bucks, do you expect a delivery of male deer?

Quote from: The Traveller;706864I don't think there's much dispute that the RPG hobby, our RPG hobby, has suffered by the misappropriation of its title.

I dispute it. How has the hobby suffered exactly?

Quote from: The Traveller;706879So, here we are on the RPG Site, and I've just linked to the top 100 RPGs as listed by IGN, and Emperor Norton feels there's no brand confusion.

Genius, yeah.

IGN is a video game site.  You expect them to talk about games other than video games?

Quote from: Emperor Norton;706882So if someone pays you a hundred bucks, you expect a bunch of male deer to be delivered to you?

Nice post.

By which I mean, a nice strong piece of timber, metal, or the like, set upright as a support. Obviously.

IGN isn't exactly an objective source. When Games Workshop wants to do something like call Space Hulk an RPG, you can be sure they'll be getting a truckload of swag to make sure they call it an RPG too.