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Tabletop RPGs vs. video games: the former are 'better'

Started by elfandghost, November 10, 2013, 03:30:46 AM

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TristramEvans

#270
November 14, 2013, 12:07:25 AM
Quote from: flyerfan1991;708227Given the way this thread has gone, this is probably pretty accurate.

And think of the cross marketing ;)

Omega

#271
November 14, 2013, 02:58:13 AM
Quote from: TristramEvans;708200"Penis Enlargment Games"

Table Top Rogaine? TTR

Imaginary Orgasm Game? IOG

Mass Hysteria Game? MHG

Roll-Role-Rule Playing Game? 3RPG.

Not a Storytelling Computer Analog Remix? NASCAR?

ahem...

Omega

#272
November 14, 2013, 02:59:24 AM
Quote from: Dan Vincze;708228I've had pretty good luck communicating with the uninitiated by just calling them all "D&D."

This is actually a good suggestion. But other companies would not accept it.

JRT

#273
November 14, 2013, 07:29:53 AM
Quote from: Omega;708253This is actually a good suggestion. But other companies would not accept it.

Not to mention that turning a Trademark into a generic term is something Hasbro (or realistically any major company) would fight tooth and nail.
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soviet

#274
November 14, 2013, 01:11:27 PM
Whenever I mention RPGs to someone and they seem confused, saying 'you know, like D&D' always clears it up. I've never had anyone - certainly anyone under the age of about 40 - not know roughly what D&D means, or Warhammer come to that.

In terms of using D&D as the generic term, I must say that I do this. Even when I am off to GM a session of the storygame I wrote and published myself, I will still refer to it as 'going to D&D'. Roleplaying game is just, I don't know, a bit too much of a mouthful sometimes.
Buy Other Worlds, it\'s a multi-genre storygame excuse for an RPG designed to wreck the hobby from within

Omega

#275
November 14, 2013, 01:46:34 PM
Quote from: soviet;708439Whenever I mention RPGs to someone and they seem confused, saying 'you know, like D&D' always clears it up. I've never had anyone - certainly anyone under the age of about 40 - not know roughly what D&D means, or Warhammer come to that.

In terms of using D&D as the generic term, I must say that I do this. Even when I am off to GM a session of the storygame I wrote and published myself, I will still refer to it as 'going to D&D'. Roleplaying game is just, I don't know, a bit too much of a mouthful sometimes.

I suspect that is fairly common. I have had to do it oft enough. "It is an RPG... like Dungeons & Dragons" and the little light comes on usually.

therealjcm

#276
November 14, 2013, 03:21:48 PM
Quote from: soviet;708439Whenever I mention RPGs to someone and they seem confused, saying 'you know, like D&D' always clears it up. I've never had anyone - certainly anyone under the age of about 40 - not know roughly what D&D means, or Warhammer come to that.

You must run with a different crowd. Knowledge that D&D exists is pretty much universal with under 40s. Warhammer though - I get blank looks from anyone who isn't into gaming and even a good portion of them. For wargames I tell people it's like a strategy war video game, but with miniatures, models, tables, dice, rulers, bits of string, cardboard circles and painted terrain.

Arduin

#277
November 14, 2013, 03:27:18 PM
Quote from: Omega;708253This is actually a good suggestion. But other companies would not accept it.


Common branding issue.  What is a Kleenex?  Most people "outside" the community think D&D not, RPG.  Just as most people think Kleenex not, Facial Tissue.

soviet

#278
November 14, 2013, 03:33:34 PM
Quote from: therealjcm;708489You must run with a different crowd. Knowledge that D&D exists is pretty much universal with under 40s. Warhammer though - I get blank looks from anyone who isn't into gaming and even a good portion of them. For wargames I tell people it's like a strategy war video game, but with miniatures, models, tables, dice, rulers, bits of string, cardboard circles and painted terrain.

Yeah I think this is a UK thing. Almost every city in the UK has a Games Workshop on the high street, so there is a lot of brand visibility. People might not know exactly how to play but they certainly see the miniatures and the boards and the dice rolling.
Buy Other Worlds, it\'s a multi-genre storygame excuse for an RPG designed to wreck the hobby from within

The Traveller

#279
November 14, 2013, 07:52:24 PM
Quote from: Arduin;708493Common branding issue.  What is a Kleenex?  Most people "outside" the community think D&D not, RPG.  Just as most people think Kleenex not, Facial Tissue.
The problem is, most people think D&D is an elderly version of WoW instead of something completely unique with its own set of advantages.
"These children are playing with dark and dangerous powers!"
"What else are you meant to do with dark and dangerous powers?"
A concise overview of GNS theory.
Quote from: that muppet vince baker on RPGsIf you care about character arcs or any, any, any lit 101 stuff, I\'d choose a different game.

Emperor Norton

#280
November 14, 2013, 08:53:50 PM
Quote from: The Traveller;708567The problem is, most people think D&D is an elderly version of WoW instead of something completely unique with its own set of advantages.

An assertion you keep making with nothing to back it up. Most video gamers know what TTRPGs are, they just don't care about it, and the ones who do like it, generally already play both.

If it is so commonly confused, find a few examples around the net where people have mistaken TTRPGs for something else.

The Traveller

#281
November 14, 2013, 09:02:05 PM
Quote from: Emperor Norton;708597Most video gamers know what TTRPGs are, they just don't care about it, and the ones who do like it, generally already play both.
An assertion you keep making with nothing to back it up.

Quote from: Emperor Norton;708597If it is so commonly confused, find a few examples around the net where people have mistaken TTRPGs for something else.
Nobody calls them TTRPGs, they call them RPGs, just like computer games, which was the point. I mean we are after all on theRPGSite.
"These children are playing with dark and dangerous powers!"
"What else are you meant to do with dark and dangerous powers?"
A concise overview of GNS theory.
Quote from: that muppet vince baker on RPGsIf you care about character arcs or any, any, any lit 101 stuff, I\'d choose a different game.

TristramEvans

#282
November 14, 2013, 09:07:18 PM
No one has backed anything up.

Emperor Norton

#283
November 14, 2013, 10:15:47 PM
Quote from: The Traveller;708602Nobody calls them TTRPGs, they call them RPGs, just like computer games, which was the point. I mean we are after all on theRPGSite.

I'm using the term for clarity because we are discussing both of them at the same time in this thread. Just like if we were discussing two different kinds of bows at the same time, I would make sure to specify whether I mean the arrow shooting kind or the kind that goes in a little girl's hair.

Now, find an example of someone mistaking a tabletop RPG for something else, because video game RPGs and tabletop RPGs are called the same thing. If this is such a widespread phenomena you shouldn't have any trouble.

The Traveller

#284
November 14, 2013, 10:31:44 PM
Quote from: Emperor Norton;708622I'm using the term for clarity because we are discussing both of them at the same time in this thread.
You're making my point very nicely. You need to use a seperate term because the original term is too compromised.

Quote from: Emperor Norton;708622Now, find an example of someone mistaking a tabletop RPG for something else, because video game RPGs and tabletop RPGs are called the same thing. If this is such a widespread phenomena you shouldn't have any trouble.
I've already linked to numerous (popular enough to eat theRPGSite and rpgnet combined for breakfast) sites which list "RPG"s as something other than TTRPGs. Even wikipedia defines them as storytelling shared narrative games. It's a farce.

I'm not trying to convince you here, just pointing out the facts.
"These children are playing with dark and dangerous powers!"
"What else are you meant to do with dark and dangerous powers?"
A concise overview of GNS theory.
Quote from: that muppet vince baker on RPGsIf you care about character arcs or any, any, any lit 101 stuff, I\'d choose a different game.
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