Quote from: Baulderstone;1090701I'd say the Chicken Littles obsessing over Sword Dream seem to be the frightened children in this scenario.

SWORDDREAM is a term that Luka Rejec of WizardThiefFighter Studio came up with as a joke. Speaking as mod at the Pub, I'm not sure what there is to be afraid of.

Pointing and laughing at the woke morons =/= Being afraid of their wet dreams.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1090703Pointing and laughing at the woke morons =/= Being afraid of their wet dreams.

No, but this forum is taking a turn towards most of the new subjects all about complaining "SJWs", "wokeness", RPG.NET, Twitter brigades in the RPG industry, etc, rather than focused on discussion of the broad gaming hobby.  It seems to be a growing trend, and I can see why people are getting a little tired of it, especially since some of the subjects seem to be knee-jerk reactions to something, which is just as bad as what that other side does.

The last thing I think even the Pundit wants for this forum is it to just become a place to bitch about the hobby.

Quote from: JRT;1090714No, but this forum is taking a turn towards most of the new subjects all about complaining "SJWs", "wokeness", RPG.NET, Twitter brigades in the RPG industry, etc, rather than focused on discussion of the broad gaming hobby.  It seems to be a growing trend, and I can see why people are getting a little tired of it, especially since some of the subjects seem to be knee-jerk reactions to something, which is just as bad as what that other side does.

The last thing I think even the Pundit wants for this forum is it to just become a place to bitch about the hobby.

Yeah, we criticizing them, pointing at the blatant injustices committed by them and pointing and laughing at their idiocy is just the same as destroying people's life's over false (or unproven) accusations.

I will now go to self flagellate and never again criticize the other cult that shouldn't be criticized even when it's actively destroying all my hobbies (including RPGs)

Quote from: JRT;1090714The last thing I think even the Pundit wants for this forum is it to just become a place to bitch about the hobby.

Welcome to planet earth. You must be new.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1090718Yeah, we criticizing them, pointing at the blatant injustices committed by them and pointing and laughing at their idiocy is just the same as destroying people's life's over false (or unproven) accusations.

I will now go to self flagellate and never again criticize the other cult that shouldn't be criticized even when it's actively destroying all my hobbies (including RPGs)

Nope, I never said it was equal, or was defending their actions.  I was simply saying perhaps some of the forum members are getting a little fatigued by the constant and increasing volume of the threads that just seem to focus on this.  Doesn't bug me each way, but I'm seeing a few members now getting a little irritated at some of the one-track posting on these subjects.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1090719Welcome to planet earth. You must be new.

Nah, I know some of it's been reactionary, but I don't think he wants the entire forum to just be about that stuff--that's what his blog is for.  Note that he tries to start threads asking about the actual hobby here.

Quote from: JRT;1090720Nah, I know some of it's been reactionary, but I don't think he wants the entire forum to just be about that stuff--that's what his blog is for.  Note that he tries to start threads asking about the actual hobby here.

Personally, I want to participate in the culture war stuff, because I do think it impacts the hobby and is a relevant topic for discussion.

Anyone tired of the culture war threads can act like an adult, and focus on the rpg stuff. Be the change you want to see, and all that.

Quote from: JRT;1090720Nope, I never said it was equal, or was defending their actions.  I was simply saying perhaps some of the forum members are getting a little fatigued by the constant and increasing volume of the threads that just seem to focus on this.  Doesn't bug me each way, but I'm seeing a few members now getting a little irritated at some of the one-track posting on these subjects.

Allow me to disagree, by quoting you, emphasis mine.

Quote from: JRT;1090714No, but this forum is taking a turn towards most of the new subjects all about complaining "SJWs", "wokeness", RPG.NET, Twitter brigades in the RPG industry, etc, rather than focused on discussion of the broad gaming hobby.  It seems to be a growing trend, and I can see why people are getting a little tired of it, especially since some of the subjects seem to be knee-jerk reactions to something, which is just as bad as what that other side does.

The last thing I think even the Pundit wants for this forum is it to just become a place to bitch about the hobby.

So yes, you were saying exactly what you now say you didn't say.

Quote from: JRT;1090714Nah, I know some of it's been reactionary, but I don't think he wants the entire forum to just be about that stuff--that's what his blog is for.  Note that he tries to start threads asking about the actual hobby here.

I agree with Ratman_tf Ignore those threads that don't interest you and participate in those that do. Instead of saying that "some" forum members are getting tired of whatever and pretending to censor those who talk about stuff you personally don't approve off.

These threads are actually talking about the hobby, about stuff happening in the twitter sphere, this or that company or convention.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1090721Be the change you want to see, and all that.

I think it's important as well; the change I want to see, though?  Doing away with terms like "woke morons" and the like.  Also, politics in RPGs.

*shrug*

Just my $.02.  

Quote from: Omega;1090685That and it allmost sounds like they are trying to sound similar to Sword World. The RPG that grew out of the original BX D&D Lodoss sessions and became its own thing.

That can't be, as they'd never appropriate Japanese culture which was appropriated from Western culture in that way.

Quote from: Baulderstone;1090701I'd say the Chicken Littles obsessing over Sword Dream seem to be the frightened children in this scenario.

SWORDDREAM is a term that Luka Rejec of WizardThiefFighter Studio came up with as a joke. Speaking as mod at the Pub, I'm not sure what there is to be afraid of.

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bwhahaHAHAHAHAHA!

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1090721Personally, I want to participate in the culture war stuff, because I do think it impacts the hobby and is a relevant topic for discussion.

It does.

But the minute you take it seriously is the minute you lose and start working for the enemy.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1090721Personally, I want to participate in the culture war stuff, because I do think it impacts the hobby and is a relevant topic for discussion.  Anyone tired of the culture war threads can act like an adult, and focus on the rpg stuff. Be the change you want to see, and all that.

True, but the other thing to consider is that people who may get fatigued can also leave the forum itself, choose to participate in another forum, etc.  Which I don't think you'd like because the more people who abandon this forum will end up talking at other forums, taking away from the potential discussion that could happen here.  Already there's talk at RPGPUB that people are getting a little sick of both extremes and want to get back to gaming topics.  I'd hate for this forum to get a reputation as not being just neutral or for free speech but a place that's polarizing as well.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1090724I agree with Ratman_tf Ignore those threads that don't interest you and participate in those that do. Instead of saying that "some" forum members are getting tired of whatever and pretending to censor those who talk about stuff you personally don't approve off.

These threads are actually talking about the hobby, about stuff happening in the twitter sphere, this or that company or convention.

Again, I'm not trying to "censor" you, but I am simply pointing out that there's been an influx of people who are obsessed a little too much over this.  

Quote from: Chunkthulhu;1090729I think it's important as well; the change I want to see, though?  Doing away with terms like "woke morons" and the like.  Also, politics in RPGs. *shrug* Just my $.02.  

I don't think you are the only one either.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1090731But the minute you take it seriously is the minute you lose and start working for the enemy.

That's a fair observation.  I personally think the best way to fight against this trend of the left to censor and censure, is to ignore the barking rather than bring attention to it and let the fire die down rather that combat it with words and insults.  When people fight against it, a few people go the other extreme and they can use the opposition to fuel their fire.  I personally like the way Steve Jackson and Frog God handled it.  They just ignored and didn't pay much attention to it, not giving them fuel for the fire, and let the audience decide.

Quote from: JRT;1090736I don't think you are the only one either.

Yeah, it just becomes a big game of "you're stupid", "nuh uh, YOU'RE stupid!", "well, you're a dummy!", "well, YOU'RE a stupid-head dummy!" and people stop listening to other people.  Someone, I think, has to take the upper hand and stop with the name calling.  Might as well be us, because it's certainly not going to be them.

Quote from: JRT;1090736That's a fair observation.  I personally think the best way to fight against this trend of the left to censor and censure, is to ignore the barking rather than bring attention to it and let the fire die down rather that combat it with words and insults.  When people fight against it, a few people go the other extreme and they can use the opposition to fuel their fire.  I personally like the way Steve Jackson and Frog God handled it.  They just ignored and didn't pay much attention to it, not giving them fuel for the fire, and let the audience decide.

Because that's how the puritans on the right got defeated, nobody mocked them, debated them, argued against their claims, provided evidence against their claims, etc right?

SJG & FGG can do that because there are people who have been arguing against the pearlclutchers.

We fought the puritans on the right and that was a good thing to do, but now we're supposed to stay silent while the puritans from the left ruin our hobbies? Don't think so.

If the majority of those who bitched about threads of a topic they don't want to see actually started new threads with topics they wanted to see, instead of simply bitching about (and participating/posting in) the other, then their desire to see discussion on topics that interest them might just happen a little more...

Quote from: kythri;1090755If the majority of those who bitched about threads of a topic they don't want to see actually started new threads with topics they wanted to see, instead of simply bitching about (and participating/posting in) the other, then their desire to see discussion on topics that interest them might just happen a little more...

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If anyone needs new thread ideas, PLEASE post a complete shillfest about your favorite obscure RPG and why we should become cultish devotees alongside you.

Quote from: JRT;1090736True, but the other thing to consider is that people who may get fatigued can also leave the forum itself, choose to participate in another forum, etc.

Forum turnover is normal. People come and go for all sorts of reasons.

And some post on multiple forums, ebbing and flowing their focus between various forums at different times.

It's natural and expected. I love theRPGsite, but its not for everyone and that's obvious to posters after a few days/weeks.

Quote from: JRT;1090736Already there's talk at RPGPUB that people are getting a little sick of both extremes and want to get back to gaming topics.

I'm a member of RPGPub and its a nice forum, more of a RPG nursing home. It was created to be a RPG forum which banned all political discussion, but while championing free speech about games. It's reason for existence is quite different than why theRPGsite was created.

In many ways, both forums reflect their founders.

Quote from: JRT;1090736I'd hate for this forum to get a reputation as not being just neutral or for free speech but a place that's polarizing as well.

Our reputation can't get any worse. If you post here, you're a goose-stepping baby-eating Neo-Nazi. Even if you voted for Hillary, or if you're not even an American.  

But that's fine. Anyone who wants to actually understand theRPGsite can see that its a free speech free-for-all mosh pit where there will be plenty of fiery opinions launched without fear of moderation. What we are is freedom, chaos, creativity and rage.

And again, that's not for everyone.

Quote from: JRT;1090736I personally think the best way to fight against this trend of the left to censor and censure, is to ignore the barking rather than bring attention to it and let the fire die down rather that combat it with words and insults.

Silence is tacit agreement.

It actually isn't, but if something doesn't get pushed back, people assume it's an agreed-upon concept.

Quote from: JRT;1090736I personally like the way Steve Jackson and Frog God handled it.  They just ignored and didn't pay much attention to it, not giving them fuel for the fire, and let the audience decide.

I understood they went quiet because they got an attack lawyer.