I found this little gem while reading the Twitter threads:

Quote from: JammiWhy do weapons have stats, but emotions don't? Why do I have physical defenses but not relationship ones?

Even I know the answer to this is that it's just not OSR in nature to do so. Even something like Call of Cthulhu with its madness meters, Pendragon with its whatever-they're-called(I don't have or play Pendragon), and GURPS with its skills-for-everything-including-social-stuff had their non-combat stat stuff in addition to a usually-robust combat system. Not in place of.

I feel that if we're talking about a movement in response to the OSR which is supposed to be "basically the OSR with the toxic elements removed"(lulz), then any such questions should be about the OSR games and the original games they're building on. Does this person simply not grasp that there are tons of games out there that do exactly what they're talking about, but that since they're mostly post-2010 they're just about 25+ years too late to be a valid starting point for an OSR project? What's stopping this Jammi person from making exactly the game they're talking about without the OSR label?

This is so, so dumb. It's like within 24 hours they're not even pretending to be wanting to make OSR-compatible stuff in a "safe environment"(again, lulz). They just want to make something more modern that's already got a label - storygames - with a new, even more "special" label. Just so dumb.

Sword Dreams is a load of utter bullshit.

The OSR needs LESS politics infused into it, not more.

And that goes for both the SJW's at RPGnet and Alt-Right faggots like Varg Vikernes (MYFAROG is not OSR, but it's a lot closer to "old school" gaming than whatever the fuck Sword Dream is supposed to be)

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1090393Sword Dreams is a load of utter bullshit.

The OSR needs LESS politics infused into it, not more.

And that goes for both the SJW's at RPGnet and Alt-Right faggots like Varg Vikernes (MYFAROG is not OSR, but it's a lot closer to "old school" gaming than whatever the fuck Sword Dream is supposed to be)

Who the fuck cares about Varg? He's a funny meme to everyone besides maybe 0,001% of people.

Uh, so I missed this because I spent my weekend actually gaming and actually going out to protest against a destructive government plan. And to think I could have just tweeted out some hashtag. :rolleyes:

Anyway, the fewer ideological crazies in my toxic OSR games, the better, so all in all, this is good news. Let them leave and never invite them back.

Quote from: kanePL;1090394Who the fuck cares about Varg? He's a funny meme to everyone besides maybe 0,001% of people.

This is also on point. Like FATAL, MYFAROG is a meme which only exists due to its online infamy, and has no relevance whatsoever to actual face-to-face gaming groups.

Quote from: kythri;1090377Second Wave Of RPG Design * DIY Rules Everything Around Me

Jesus, that's pathetic wankery.

Here is what I don't get: it isn't the second wave of RPG design. Depending on how we want to break down the RPG design waves, it's wave 4-6.

Quote from: Lurtch;1090404Here is what I don't get: it isn't the second wave of RPG design. Depending on how we want to break down the RPG design waves, it's wave 4-6.

Exactly.  OSR wasn't the first wave, or even the third wave, so this?  Wankery.

I had to stop reading the twattle of idiocy on Twitter regarding #sworddream.  "My sword dream is a happy world with bunnies and cotton candy, where everyone is nice to each other, and we all (except for the Nazis) participate in hug exercises where we purge the world of evil via our collective hand holding!"

Hahaha what the hell is all this then? Have these people entirely lost their minds or have I simply lost mine?

Even after reading a bunch of Twatter shit, a blogpost and Pundit's video I still don't understand why this changes anything, influences game design, or how it matters in any way, shape or form; at least, aside from creating a new red flag for RPGs that seems to be the equivalent of "danger hair," as people have mentioned previously.

In fact, if the entire point is that people can design these games any way they want to in a "safe, inclusive" environment, with explicitly no "SWORD DREAM" genre or community or really any shared characteristics between the games or creators whatsoever (since they're apparently intended to be judged 'individually' rather than as a community, probably so once they start finding the sex offenders they can do their best not to completely implode), then... what the fuck is the point of having it as some label? Saying you won't accept "bigotry" or whatever? Then why not just say that?

What is the fucking point?! :confused:

In any case doc, I'm ready for my brain-go-good pills now...

Quote from: Melan;1090400Uh, so I missed this because I spent my weekend actually gaming.

I spent most of my weekend at the Evergreen Tabletop Expo playing X-Wing Miniatures. (I did terribly.)

Quote from: kanePL;1090394Who the fuck cares about Varg? He's a funny meme to everyone besides maybe 0,001% of people.

I know, I'm just using Varg as a right-wing example of a guy who tries to shoehorn abhorrent political agendas into RPG's.

Although I did have a brief YouTube spat with Varg and his idiotic followers were the reason I had to delete my YouTube channel since my brother is an Antifa gang leader with a heavy online presence, and I didn't want some Vargtard putting two and two together and finding out my address.

I mean, I'm not afraid of Vargtards and I don't care about any feuds between the Alt-Right and my dipshit abusive brother (who has been doxed before by /pol/ and a few other places) but Mom panicked and I had to shut things down to calm her down.

The OSR as anything other than a group of three words to use in a discussion is fucking cancer, and now these people have given it ebola.  The people who "created" the OSR as a "cause" should be chased off a cliff by a group of picts wielding stone axes.  The "Sword Dreams" idiots should be captured and burned at the stake by the same group of picts.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1090453I know, I'm just using Varg as a right-wing example of a guy who tries to shoehorn abhorrent political agendas into RPG's.

Although I did have a brief YouTube spat with Varg and his idiotic followers were the reason I had to delete my YouTube channel since my brother is an Antifa gang leader with a heavy online presence, and I didn't want some Vargtard putting two and two together and finding out my address.

Oh crap, considering Varg's history and Antifa involvement I can imagine the things can go in a bad direction.

Quote from: Snowman0147;1090358This right here is precious.

The mashup version is appropriate to this topic, too:



I often think of this image while reading about SJW's, for some reason.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;1090457The OSR as anything other than a group of three words to use in a discussion is fucking cancer, and now these people have given it ebola.  The people who "created" the OSR as a "cause" should be chased off a cliff by a group of picts wielding stone axes.  The "Sword Dreams" idiots should be captured and burned at the stake by the same group of picts.

No need for anyone to burn. Just let em play - in whatever form that may take - among themselves and when one inevitably offends another, they'll tear themselves to shreds. All we need is popcorn and a view to watch from!

Just a reminder to keep the discussion focused on gaming and not on general politics. Thanks!