Quote from: WarthurYeah, like I said: people are drifting away from D20 and sticking to the OGL right now. Mongoose are doing it, as are the guys who put out Spycraft.

Note that the guys publishing Spycraft (Crafty Games) may as well be Mongoose (they currently publish all of their products through Mongoose).

Quote from: RPGPunditThey wouldn't.  That talk is mostly bullshit from uneducated outsiders that like to pretend they know something, and are filled with a frothing hate for Wizards of the Coast, because it is the most successful and popular gaming company around, and reminds them of how they are miserable failures in their own lives and everything they pursue.

Its enemy propaganda.

Nowhere, anywhere, has either Wizards or anyone actually on the "inside" of the Gaming "Industry" (ie. a current employee of wizards, or someone connected with that scene who doesn't have a score to settle etc) ever said anything about pulling the OGL.

RPGPundit

Somebody's full of frothing hate, that's for sure.

What is up with your WoTC love? It is crazy. Love for any corporate entity is nuts. I like apple computers- the machines, I don't give a rat's ass about "enemy action" against them- succeed or fail its nothing to me. in fact, I'm working on a PC right now- holy shit, I must be planning apple downfall! I must be stopped. What the fuck ever. WoTC is the same to me, i don't care if the dominate the idustry for 10000000000000 years or vanish tomorrow- why the fuck should I?
Do you wear WoTC Underroos? Are they paying you? If I had the conspiricy issues you do, I would certainly be accusing you of taking money from them*- what else could your motives possibly be, besides dark and sinister and evil?

* which I'm not.

The OGL can't be pulled at all, so all this talk about it is moot.

Quote from: Bradford C. WalkerThe OGL can't be pulled at all, so all this talk about it is moot.

What I said. Thanks, Bradford!

-clash

Quote from: flyingmiceWhat I said. Thanks, Bradford!

You're welcome.

Quote from: McrowHow? Just change the system enough to be incompatible with the current version of the game, don't update the OGL with the new rules.

How would that stop people from pulling an OSRIC on the new version? There are OGL variants out there right now which barely resemble the standard D20 rules (I'm thinking in particular of things like True20). As far as I am aware there's nothing in the OGL specifying how far people can deviate from the base D&D 3.X rules, after all.

Quote from: WarthurHow would that stop people from pulling an OSRIC on the new version?

It wouldn't.

Personally, I think you could still make money off the 3.5 OGL even if D&D 4.0 wasn't open. Not nearly as much, but enough for a small publisher. I mean, do people really buy systems as opposed to games?

Seanchai

Quote from: AosSomebody's full of frothing hate, that's for sure.

What is up with your WoTC love? It is crazy. Love for any corporate entity is nuts. I like apple computers- the machines, I don't give a rat's ass about "enemy action" against them- succeed or fail its nothing to me. in fact, I'm working on a PC right now- holy shit, I must be planning apple downfall! I must be stopped. What the fuck ever. WoTC is the same to me, i don't care if the dominate the idustry for 10000000000000 years or vanish tomorrow- why the fuck should I?
Do you wear WoTC Underroos? Are they paying you? If I had the conspiricy issues you do, I would certainly be accusing you of taking money from them*- what else could your motives possibly be, besides dark and sinister and evil?

* which I'm not.

I don't "love" Wizards of the Coast. I criticize them very often, in fact. I don't like a lot of things about what they're failing to do effectively to secure roleplaying's future, and on a more personal and selfish level, there's quite a few things about D&D 3.x that I dislike (rules creep, power creep, etc).

What I do DESPISE however, are the pretentious fucktards that love to shit all over WoTC just because they are number one. Its petty and sad to see people do this out of hate for success.  Likewise those who attack D&D because its the most popular.

So get with the program, its not about loving Wizards, its all about hating the Swine who would like to harm the biggest RPG out there just because they feel hipper attacking whatever is popular.

RPGPundit

The program seems to be to assign motives to dozens of people based upon crazy unfounded theorioes of behavior. The fabticated motives are then used to feul your own inane ranting.

Well, it's a system, anyway.

Quote from: WarthurHow would that stop people from pulling an OSRIC on the new version? There are OGL variants out there right now which barely resemble the standard D20 rules (I'm thinking in particular of things like True20). As far as I am aware there's nothing in the OGL specifying how far people can deviate from the base D&D 3.X rules, after all.

To be honest, if WoTC wanted to they could squash OSRIC no problem. They may not win the case, but they have the money to pay  lawyers where the guys piblishing that stuff might no be able to afford taking the day off from work to represent themselves.

If WotC felt OSRIC was costing them meaningful revenue, it would be nuked already.

Quote from: McrowTo be honest, if WoTC wanted to they could squash OSRIC no problem.

They probably could.  If it had come out 3 months after 3e, they might have tried.  But by the time OSRIC came out, pretty much everyone had decided their preferences of AD&D vs D20, so it had negligable effect on WOTC, certainly less than the bad press of a lawsuit would.

IIRC the guy behind OSRIC has a war-chest if Wizards decides to lawyer up.

Quote from: jrientsIIRC the guy behind OSRIC has a war-chest if Wizards decides to lawyer up.

I doubt he could come up with the money required to properly defend himself. If  he does, he is dumping a lot of personal money into something he will much money back from.

No one can convince me that OSRIC is making enough money for that, not all the people publishing it together.

I'm not saying the dude is making money.  I think he's more along the lines of the Rich Eccentric type.

But I really don't see a lawsuit.  If WOTC felt at all threatened by AD&D, they wouldn't be selling pdfs of virtually every old product ever made for $5 each.