Steve J., what a maroon.  He should be joining the class action against Actblue for how they were parties to massive fraud and  misuse of the funds Steve and other 'gamers' gave them.  What a dip

It seems like an opportunity really.  Someone should step up and produce high end board game components in the United States.

Quote from: JanDevries on April 04, 2025, 03:38:09 PMThat link says the price for a smyth-sewn, 48 page hardback is $268.50.

Edit: and that's digest sized.

That's for one.  There is a setup cost.  If you increase quantity to 100, the price goes to $9.53 per book.  At 1000, it's $7.28.  Not cheap, but not crazy expensive.

Quote from: David Johansen on April 04, 2025, 11:04:49 PMIt seems like an opportunity really.  Someone should step up and produce high end board game components in the United States.

That's the idea, innit?

Quote from: blackstone on April 04, 2025, 02:04:56 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on April 04, 2025, 10:41:33 AM

Quote from: blackstone on April 04, 2025, 10:39:23 AMand it's only in Florida.

So many terrible things get dismissed for being "only in Florida" until they spread...

Goggle "Florida man" and hope to God it doesn't.

I live and work in central Florida. I don't need to Google it when I can see it every day. OTOH, the Florida Man stories only seem so ridiculous because Florida allows stories to come out without any credible evidence. Stricter laws elsewhere generally require more stringent reporting, so the Florida Man is really no more common (OK, maybe a little more common...) than idiots elsewhere, they just get more exposure.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on April 04, 2025, 11:59:13 PM

Quote from: David Johansen on April 04, 2025, 11:04:49 PMIt seems like an opportunity really.  Someone should step up and produce high end board game components in the United States.

That's the idea, innit?

Probably, there's all kinds of wild speculation as to how things will go and where they are going.  It's hard to say what the long term effects will be or even how long term the tarrifs will be.   A new stateside producer may have to buy the equipment from China.  Who wants to spend millions building a factory if things are back to normal in a week.

Quote from: David Johansen on April 05, 2025, 07:19:25 AM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on April 04, 2025, 11:59:13 PM

Quote from: David Johansen on April 04, 2025, 11:04:49 PMIt seems like an opportunity really.  Someone should step up and produce high end board game components in the United States.

That's the idea, innit?

Probably, there's all kinds of wild speculation as to how things will go and where they are going.  It's hard to say what the long term effects will be or even how long term the tarrifs will be.   A new stateside producer may have to buy the equipment from China.  Who wants to spend millions building a factory if things are back to normal in a week.

Because China's demographics cliff mean they almost certainly will not remain productive for much longer. The "new normal" after China's aging workforce starts to wear out will either be production moving to India, Mexico, or reshoring to the United States. The only way to avoid this fate is to add 30+ years of life to the Chinese worker.

...I suppose that's possible. Not very likely, but possible.

When you put it this way, paying to move the industrial base is almost inevitable. It's just a question of where you go and when you pull the trigger.

One thing no one is discussing either that happened last time and particular governments are already starting to do this time is that countries hit by the tariffs start subsidizing their manufacturing to allow them to lower prices to counter the tariff increases and remain competitive in the US market.

That's why we didn't see massive price spikes on Chinese goods last time and they and EU are already moving to do it this time.

If the tariff is 25% and the business drops it's price from $1.00 to $0.80 (with their government paying them $0.20 to cover it) then the US consumer is still paying only $1.00 and the US government is collecting $0.20.

EDIT: Ignore me. Someone already covered what I was going to post.

Quote from: BadApple on April 03, 2025, 05:37:51 PMIt has nothing to do with the tariffs or the rising costs.  He's angry and this is a good excuse to howl out loud.

It's Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Quote from: Chris24601 on April 05, 2025, 10:35:06 AMOne thing no one is discussing either that happened last time and particular governments are already starting to do this time is that countries hit by the tariffs start subsidizing their manufacturing to allow them to lower prices to counter the tariff increases and remain competitive in the US market.

That's why we didn't see massive price spikes on Chinese goods last time and they and EU are already moving to do it this time.

If the tariff is 25% and the business drops it's price from $1.00 to $0.80 (with their government paying them $0.20 to cover it) then the US consumer is still paying only $1.00 and the US government is collecting $0.20.

It's pretty obvious the collection of cronies in DC were covering tariff costs from USAID to purposefully make it look like we weren't in a recession. SJGames and all the retards voting for Democrats literally will not admit all their "hard earned revenue" was directly subsidized by the US taxpayer. I cannot take them seriously at all because now they're suddenly experts in foreign trade overnight when the reality is IT IS WORKING AS INTENDED. Vietnam already capitulated and Kosovo(!!!!) wants to be an ally with the US. So, fuck China in the ass, all the jackass politicians can try to fund their grift somewhere else, I guess.

Can anyone tell I hate the government?

Quote from: RPGPundit on April 05, 2025, 04:20:16 PMIt's Trump Derangement Syndrome.

If Trump gave everyone a gold brick, they'd complain it was too heavy to carry. I do believe they are actually insane.

Quote from: orbitalair on April 03, 2025, 03:59:22 PMNo one ever asks Why.  Why is it so expensive to print paper items in the USA?

OSHA?  Environmental regulations?  Prop65 warning tags on everything?  Insurance?  Taxes?  The gov graft and fraud have pushed taxes into the 50% range.  If employers or workers paid less taxes, they could charge less and be competitive.

Games and toys are a luxury item, not a must have.  Don't care about sjg anyways.

USA, land of Fern Gully and Avatar. Land of 'save the trees' until plastic is bad so basically you aren't allowed to bag your groceries anymore or print or produce... anything.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on April 04, 2025, 11:59:13 PM

Quote from: David Johansen on April 04, 2025, 11:04:49 PMIt seems like an opportunity really.  Someone should step up and produce high end board game components in the United States.

That's the idea, innit?

Nobody understands the working conditions of factories in the USA. It's literally worse than other countries. Prisoners ask to go back to jail. The bathrooms are full of graffiti warning workers to quit before they get financially trapped there for life. Machines are operating on DOS OS. Hydraulic cutters are leaking oil everywhere. Blood gets dripped onto the merchandise due to clumsy workers being overworked, promised a normal workweek 'someday' but that's actually when they get laid off instead. Everybody is fucking and cucking each other in the bathrooms when they're not smoking and it's so loud that your boss has to yell at you just so you can hear them. All this in the middle of the night. By the end of the workday, your hands can't physically open and close all the way in a normal fashion. It's terrible.

Quote from: Daosus on April 04, 2025, 11:26:00 PM

Quote from: JanDevries on April 04, 2025, 03:38:09 PMThat link says the price for a smyth-sewn, 48 page hardback is $268.50.

Edit: and that's digest sized.

That's for one.  There is a setup cost.  If you increase quantity to 100, the price goes to $9.53 per book.  At 1000, it's $7.28.  Not cheap, but not crazy expensive.

Does that include shipping? Moving the books can jack the price in freakish ways.

The possible speedbumps would be...

A: shipping to you.
B: shipping to the customer.
C: shipping to overseas customers. This one has killed quite a few KS games as no one thought to check and it can be insanely high to ship. And theres possibly customs too to worry about.

Quote from: Brad on April 05, 2025, 04:21:53 PMCan anyone tell I hate the government?

I'm with you. The one big concern I have over these tariffs is that the government gets da moolah. Which means most of it is likely going to go to "administrative costs".