Quote from: Koltar on July 15, 2022, 09:17:28 PM
As someone who is often assumed to be 'Conservative'(I'm not) - this announcement or post by Steve Jackson himself does not bother me at all.

I will keep buying SJG products and games...and I will keep reffing GURPS.

- Ed C.

  Well, you are not conservative, so why would his statement bother you?   I have no issue with anyone who wants his stuff (I have almost all of it already) or does not after his soapbox ranting.  It just seems sort of why bother to say you are not conservative and the statement does not bother you.  I was NOT conservative in 2000, but not changing any views for the most part has now made me rabidly conservative in 2022, so I think that tag is extremely relative to surroundings and times.

Quote from: drayakir on July 15, 2022, 07:53:34 AM
If you want to play GURPS but not support SJG, just pirate their stuff. There's a torrent floating around that has both 3E and 4e available. If it's not against site rules, I'll post it.

Don't pirate SJG games.  Two wrongs don't make a right.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on July 10, 2022, 10:55:54 AM
Is anyone talking about this anywhere else? I'm not seeing it discussed over on TBP, but they may be hiding the celebration in Tangency.

  It's taken a week, but someone is trying to rally the hordes to the SJG banner ... https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/a-time-to-rally.899681/

Quote from: Cathode Ray on July 16, 2022, 03:36:37 PM

Quote from: drayakir on July 15, 2022, 07:53:34 AM
If you want to play GURPS but not support SJG, just pirate their stuff. There's a torrent floating around that has both 3E and 4e available. If it's not against site rules, I'll post it.

Don't pirate SJG games.  Two wrongs don't make a right.

Fuck that noise! SJG is setting out to use their funds to kill. If their income is used as their weapon, we must strike at their weapon.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on July 18, 2022, 11:53:00 AM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on July 10, 2022, 10:55:54 AM
Is anyone talking about this anywhere else? I'm not seeing it discussed over on TBP, but they may be hiding the celebration in Tangency.

  It's taken a week, but someone is trying to rally the hordes to the SJG banner ... https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/a-time-to-rally.899681/

Cause SJG just kicked off their newest Kickstarter campaign

If your going to come out with a controversial position on a somewhat controversial subject, why not do the smart thing and do it after the latest Kickstarter is funded.

But no fo it right before. SJG as a company really does not come off as very smart sometimes.

Quote from: Fergurg on July 18, 2022, 12:00:09 PM
If their income is used as their weapon, we must strike at their weapon.

I agree. But the correct way to do that is by not buying their products, not by stealing them.

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser on July 18, 2022, 01:28:30 PM

Quote from: Fergurg on July 18, 2022, 12:00:09 PM
If their income is used as their weapon, we must strike at their weapon.

I agree. But the correct way to do that is by not buying their products, not by stealing them.

I don't just want them to not have more weapons. I want them to have less. I want SJG to realize that they declared war on us and that there are consequences.

The leftists are fighting a war of extinction. If we lose, we are gone. Do not be so gullible as to think that they will be satisfied with anything less. TBP is already planning to counter our boycotts; I desire to make the losses bigger than boycotts.

Any tool not used is a gift to the enemy.

Quote from: Fergurg on July 18, 2022, 01:52:04 PM

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser on July 18, 2022, 01:28:30 PM

Quote from: Fergurg on July 18, 2022, 12:00:09 PM
If their income is used as their weapon, we must strike at their weapon.

I agree. But the correct way to do that is by not buying their products, not by stealing them.

I don't just want them to not have more weapons. I want them to have less. I want SJG to realize that they declared war on us and that there are consequences.

"Us?" They expressed an opinion which offended a percentage of their customers, not all of them. And piracy is still not the answer.

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The leftists are fighting a war of extinction. If we lose, we are gone.

I honestly think that you need a pill.

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Do not be so gullible as to think that they will be satisfied with anything less. TBP is already planning to counter our boycotts;

"Our?" You still somehow haven't realised that this site welcomes "all" opinions. This is not the opposite of TBP - or it would simply be a different flavour of TBP.

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I desire to make the losses bigger than boycotts.

...While having the math all wrong. On TBP they decide to buy GURPS - possibly not buying something they like more. You don't buy GURPS. This is your answer.

If you pirate GURPS, your answer becomes bigger... how? You already haven't bought that book. If anything you show hypocrisy: you want to be militant but to eat your cake anyway. Sorry but would I admire more someone at TBP who buys GURPS with the money he had saved for something he actually plays.

There is a reason why piracy is never the answer - not at TBP and not here.

Quote from: Fergurg on July 18, 2022, 12:00:09 PM
If their income is used as their weapon, we must strike at their weapon.
I don't just want them to not have more weapons. I want them to have less.
Any tool not used is a gift to the enemy.

Pirating products to stand for or against some cause is no more than a sparkling virtue signal.   You have done nothing to help your cause, and they have suffered nothing that would hinder theirs.  They have the same amount of money as they did before and the same number of PDFs to sell to people who still like them.

Congratulations. Here is a No-Prize.

Quote from: Manic Modron on July 18, 2022, 06:11:34 PM

Quote from: Fergurg on July 18, 2022, 12:00:09 PM
If their income is used as their weapon, we must strike at their weapon.
I don't just want them to not have more weapons. I want them to have less.
Any tool not used is a gift to the enemy.

Pirating products to stand for or against some cause is no more than a sparkling virtue signal.   You have done nothing to help your cause, and they have suffered nothing that would hinder theirs.  They have the same amount of money as they did before and the same number of PDFs to sell to people who still like them.

Congratulations. Here is a No-Prize.

You are being too generous.  It's a net negative for the thief, not the target.  Because playing the stolen game is continuing to give it attention, which may result in future sales later.  However hard or soft the "boycott" is in practice, a key point is that when you boycott, you don't get the thing.  That's why the Boston Tea Party wasn't a bunch of white guys in red paint sitting on the dock of the bay, drinking tea.

Quote from: Steven Mitchell on July 18, 2022, 06:23:53 PMYou are being too generous.  It's a net negative for the thief, not the target.  Because playing the stolen game is continuing to give it attention, which may result in future sales later.  However hard or soft the "boycott" is in practice, a key point is that when you boycott, you don't get the thing.  That's why the Boston Tea Party wasn't a bunch of white guys in red paint sitting on the dock of the bay, drinking tea.

Hold on a second, I'm just going to... hm... alright, click this and...

OH!  Oh, yeah, I see that post now.   Yeah, that is a dumb as hell way of trying to strike at anybody.  That isn't action against, that is advertising. 

I wouldn't worry too much about rpg.net suddenly realizing this happened a week later.  They'll remember that they hate GURPS soon enough.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on July 18, 2022, 11:53:00 AM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on July 10, 2022, 10:55:54 AM
Is anyone talking about this anywhere else? I'm not seeing it discussed over on TBP, but they may be hiding the celebration in Tangency.

  It's taken a week, but someone is trying to rally the hordes to the SJG banner ... https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/a-time-to-rally.899681/

Even to the degree that this might send some money SJG's way look at the bright side: a bunch of TBP loons are wasting money on a game they don't like and will NEVER play or get anything useful out of just to try to "pwn" us for talking about it here (the OP makes allusions to this thread).

Knowing that I may have been instrumental in making a handful of idiots waste their money brings a certain degree of satisfaction to me.

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser on July 18, 2022, 01:28:30 PM

Quote from: Fergurg on July 18, 2022, 12:00:09 PM
If their income is used as their weapon, we must strike at their weapon.

I agree. But the correct way to do that is by not buying their products, not by stealing them.

Do not give money to people who hate you, this extends also into not promoting their stuff, which in the case of RPGs means not playing their stuff. So, why would I want to pirate their shit? And this comes from a Mexican, we're practically born with the black flag under an arm.