Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on July 11, 2022, 01:02:42 PM
Lilith has been "reclaimed" as a feminist symbol. They're not a satanic cult

I'm sure they don't literally believe in any gods or demons. OTOH actual official Satanists mostly don't believe in the literal existence of Satan, either. I don't think Christians are completely wrong in calling groups like this Lilith abortion advocacy group Satanic, but believing Christians need to understand that these groups (a) see themselves as the good guys ofc, and (b) don't believe in the literal existence of God, Satan, Lilith et al.  So Lilith can be both a Feminist symbol and a Satanic symbol, with the latter empowering the former.

Quote from: oggsmash on July 12, 2022, 05:49:21 AM
I look forward to the lefties "taking back" the titles of Satan and Asmodeus for their next names of their "freedom and social justice" organizations. 

Alinsky did dedicate Rules for Radicals to Satan, what, 60 years ago? Of course he was being tongue in cheek, but it's a well established trope.

As for Steve Jackson, this looks like a simple case of Boomer Trump+Covid Derangement Syndrome (BTCD?) to me. I have a Boomer friend in Oregon, a lower class pagan little-old-lady, who comes out with similar rants.  Trump (the media's take on Trump) charged them up, then Covid socially isolated them. I'm more sorrow than in anger, but he certainly belongs on the Red List.

Quote from: S'mon on July 12, 2022, 06:16:54 AM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on July 11, 2022, 01:02:42 PM
Lilith has been "reclaimed" as a feminist symbol. They're not a satanic cult

I'm sure they don't literally believe in any gods or demons. OTOH actual official Satanists mostly don't believe in the literal existence of Satan, either. I don't think Christians are completely wrong in calling groups like this Lilith abortion advocacy group Satanic, but believing Christians need to understand that these groups (a) see themselves as the good guys ofc, and (b) don't believe in the literal existence of God, Satan, Lilith et al.  So Lilith can be both a Feminist symbol and a Satanic symbol, with the latter empowering the former.

Yeah, plus Lilith is supposed to have been the first wife of Adam according to some interpretations, before she left him cuz she didn't want to be submissive to him, so there's some sort of unruly woman archetype element to it (the first "woman who don't need no man"). But still, if you name an abortion fund after a baby killing demon, don't be surprised if people take the "WTF?" way. Specially when Lilith is based on an earlier Mesopotamian demon (Lilitu) who was also a baby killing demon, so her status as a killer of babies goes way back to the dawn of civilization.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron on July 12, 2022, 06:11:22 AMKiero said, "I don't consider myself a gamer," and I said, "Then you don't belong here," and I was given a warning, or ban or something.

Fortunately this site is not run by BNGs, and so I can say without fear of repeating that experience:

If you are not interested in roleplaying games, you don't belong here.

Possibly not applicable to the original conversation (which I didn't read), but it occurs to me that you can be interested in roleplaying games without being "A Gamer" if you are using that term to mean a very specific stereotype.

As an example, I unashamedly like horror and I read and watch a fair amount of it, but I might have to admit to not considering myself to be a True Horror Fan when compared to those who read/watch everything in the genre. And more brutally, I still like, collect, read, and design RPGs, and like talking about them and about the state of the fandom and the industry, but have not had the actual time to actually play for years. If one's definition of "a gamer" is someone who actually, you know, plays the games, then I would have to admit to not qualifying either.

Quote from: S'mon on July 12, 2022, 06:25:22 AM
As for Steve Jackson, this looks like a simple case of Boomer Trump+Covid Derangement Syndrome (BTCD?) to me. I have a Boomer friend in Oregon, a lower class pagan little-old-lady, who comes out with similar rants.  Trump (the media's take on Trump) charged them up, then Covid socially isolated them. I'm more sorrow than in anger, but he certainly belongs on the Red List.

Kinda funny to hear the right whining about Trump derangement syndrome after the term 'Obama derangement syndrome' was coined over 10 years ago to describe the right. Before the 8 years of Obama derangement syndrome the left endured from tge right we had 8 years of bill Clinton derangement syndrome,  followed by a few years of Hillary Clinton derangement syndrome.

Another funny thing about 'Trump derangement syndrome' vs Obama/Clinton degangement syndrome is that Obama and Clinton won all the elections they were in and Trump lost both he was in. 

Greetings!

Very sad and unfortunate to hear SJG is really a Libtard moron.

As for supporting baby murder, yeah. Totally disgusting. Let them all be damned, and thrown into the fire.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Battlemaster on July 12, 2022, 10:29:33 AM

Quote from: S'mon on July 12, 2022, 06:25:22 AM
As for Steve Jackson, this looks like a simple case of Boomer Trump+Covid Derangement Syndrome (BTCD?) to me. I have a Boomer friend in Oregon, a lower class pagan little-old-lady, who comes out with similar rants.  Trump (the media's take on Trump) charged them up, then Covid socially isolated them. I'm more sorrow than in anger, but he certainly belongs on the Red List.

Kinda funny to hear the right whining about Trump derangement syndrome after the term 'Obama derangement syndrome' was coined over 10 years ago to describe the right. Before the 8 years of Obama derangement syndrome the left endured from tge right we had 8 years of bill Clinton derangement syndrome,  followed by a few years of Hillary Clinton derangement syndrome.

Another funny thing about 'Trump derangement syndrome' vs Obama/Clinton degangement syndrome is that Obama and Clinton won all the elections they were in and Trump lost both he was in. 

I just compared "Trump Derangement Syndrome" and "Obama Derangement Syndrome" on Google Trends.

With TDS at 100, ODS peaked at 4. They're not even in the same ballpark.

Further inspection reveals use of ODS is isolated to one and only one state: New York (Steve Jackson is from Texas).

No wonder I never heard of the term. Your little bubble is not the world.

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser on July 12, 2022, 10:05:56 AMAnd more brutally, I still like, collect, read, and design RPGs, and like talking about them and about the state of the fandom and the industry, but have not had the actual time to actually play for years. If one's definition of "a gamer" is someone who actually, you know, plays the games, then I would have to admit to not qualifying either.

For me it's the opposite. I play RPGs semi-regularly (as part of a rotation on game night) but I'm not part of the RPG "Community". I don't go to conventions or buy products. So I don't consider myself an "RPG gamer".

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 12, 2022, 09:25:08 AM
Yeah, plus Lilith is supposed to have been the first wife of Adam according to some interpretations, before she left him cuz she didn't want to be submissive to him, so there's some sort of unruly woman archetype element to it (the first "woman who don't need no man"). But still, if you name an abortion fund after a baby killing demon, don't be surprised if people take the "WTF?" way. Specially when Lilith is based on an earlier Mesopotamian demon (Lilitu) who was also a baby killing demon, so her status as a killer of babies goes way back to the dawn of civilization.

The "First Wife of Adam" nonsense didn't exist until the Medieval period in some scattered Talmudic writings (its possible it may have existed as early as AD 500, but the earliest hard evidence for it comes from writings c. AD 1100). That it was later adopted by the same transgressive counter-culture types who regard Satan in Paradise Lost as a heroic figure and Gnosticism as something profound (instead of the Scientology of its day) is utterly unsurprising.

I don't mind the Woke adopting various demons as their mascots though. It better identifies what they really are; not glorious rebels in an ongoing war, but sore losers who now seek to inflict the same misery they have inflicted on themselves on as many other people as possible out of spite and malice.

It's also a great way to decide who gets my money on the RPG front as I can just take a quick shuffle through their fantasy religion and see where they place figures like Lilith, Baphomet, etc. within their cosmology and have a pretty good idea how woke they actually lean.

Quote from: S'mon on July 12, 2022, 06:25:22 AM
As for Steve Jackson, this looks like a simple case of Boomer Trump+Covid Derangement Syndrome (BTCD?) to me. I have a Boomer friend in Oregon, a lower class pagan little-old-lady, who comes out with similar rants.  Trump (the media's take on Trump) charged them up, then Covid socially isolated them. I'm more sorrow than in anger, but he certainly belongs on the Red List.

This is kind of my take on things. The modern media landscape isn't particularly kind to a lot of older people. As someone who would've defined myself as socially Democrat/financially Republican in the 90's, I'd probably be deranged if all I watched was CNN(my preferred news outlet 10+ years ago).

Personally my dislike with SJG tends to be on how over protective they are with their properties. They've made it very hard to create online tooling for their IP in the past and feel like they're stuck in the 90's with their licensing.

Quote from: Battlemaster on July 12, 2022, 10:29:33 AM

Quote from: S'mon on July 12, 2022, 06:25:22 AM
As for Steve Jackson, this looks like a simple case of Boomer Trump+Covid Derangement Syndrome (BTCD?) to me. I have a Boomer friend in Oregon, a lower class pagan little-old-lady, who comes out with similar rants.  Trump (the media's take on Trump) charged them up, then Covid socially isolated them. I'm more sorrow than in anger, but he certainly belongs on the Red List.

Kinda funny to hear the right whining about Trump derangement syndrome after the term 'Obama derangement syndrome' was coined over 10 years ago to describe the right. Before the 8 years of Obama derangement syndrome the left endured from tge right we had 8 years of bill Clinton derangement syndrome,  followed by a few years of Hillary Clinton derangement syndrome.

Another funny thing about 'Trump derangement syndrome' vs Obama/Clinton degangement syndrome is that Obama and Clinton won all the elections they were in and Trump lost both he was in. 

Kinda funny to see you (once again) bringing up some unrelated "what about the right" comment that doesn't refute nor address what actually was being said, and is really just partisan diahrea. Is S'mon even a right-winger? How does any of this nonsense address the notion that SJ's statement is just him being a boomer with TDS?

Quote from: Cathode Ray on July 10, 2022, 03:50:36 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on July 10, 2022, 12:49:24 PM
I don't think this is really a woke decision per se... This is about being pro or anti-abortion and not necessarily about the other ridiculous woke-scold nonsense that certain game companies shove down your throat. Of course, I'm pro-abortion but I'm certainly and virulently against uber political correctness.

But what if a game company came out and made a statement saying that they were delighted with the Roe V Wade thing being overturned. Would they not be entitled to make such a statement? Even though I might not agree at all with their sentiments.

I just don't believe you are automatically 'uber woke' if you're against abortion. So as far as I'm concerned I'm happy to still buy their stuff.

Agree and agree.  I think "Woke" is used for ones with the SJW ideology, regardless of if they're doing it to protect their corporation from government giving them a bad social score.  I don't question the sincerity of SJG's SJW stance, because it was so unhinged, rather than professional.

I also support free speech.  Unlike SJG, I believe in the Constitution, and will defend his right to free speech, if people attack his right to speak.  I also don't care if Steve Jackson is pro-life or pro-abortion.  I don't believe in boycotts.  But I do believe in things like the woke list, that helps inform consumers, and allow them make a personal decision to not support a company if profits from their purchases are going to something they believe is intrinsically evil.

@ member VengerSatanis, what it the url link to your video?  I'd like to look at it.

Since you asked, here's a link to my video...

https://youtu.be/P-JS7o1EFEI

Quote from: Battlemaster on July 12, 2022, 10:29:33 AM

Quote from: S'mon on July 12, 2022, 06:25:22 AM
As for Steve Jackson, this looks like a simple case of Boomer Trump+Covid Derangement Syndrome (BTCD?) to me. I have a Boomer friend in Oregon, a lower class pagan little-old-lady, who comes out with similar rants.  Trump (the media's take on Trump) charged them up, then Covid socially isolated them. I'm more sorrow than in anger, but he certainly belongs on the Red List.

Kinda funny to hear the right whining about Trump derangement syndrome after the term 'Obama derangement syndrome' was coined over 10 years ago to describe the right. Before the 8 years of Obama derangement syndrome the left endured from tge right we had 8 years of bill Clinton derangement syndrome,  followed by a few years of Hillary Clinton derangement syndrome.

Another funny thing about 'Trump derangement syndrome' vs Obama/Clinton degangement syndrome is that Obama and Clinton won all the elections they were in and Trump lost both he was in. 

OK, you had been warned. Banned for continued attempts at derailing threads into off-topic posting.

Quote from: Pat on July 12, 2022, 10:42:13 AM

Quote from: Battlemaster on July 12, 2022, 10:29:33 AM

Quote from: S'mon on July 12, 2022, 06:25:22 AM
As for Steve Jackson, this looks like a simple case of Boomer Trump+Covid Derangement Syndrome (BTCD?) to me. I have a Boomer friend in Oregon, a lower class pagan little-old-lady, who comes out with similar rants.  Trump (the media's take on Trump) charged them up, then Covid socially isolated them. I'm more sorrow than in anger, but he certainly belongs on the Red List.

Kinda funny to hear the right whining about Trump derangement syndrome after the term 'Obama derangement syndrome' was coined over 10 years ago to describe the right. Before the 8 years of Obama derangement syndrome the left endured from tge right we had 8 years of bill Clinton derangement syndrome,  followed by a few years of Hillary Clinton derangement syndrome.

Another funny thing about 'Trump derangement syndrome' vs Obama/Clinton degangement syndrome is that Obama and Clinton won all the elections they were in and Trump lost both he was in. 

I just compared "Trump Derangement Syndrome" and "Obama Derangement Syndrome" on Google Trends.

With TDS at 100, ODS peaked at 4. They're not even in the same ballpark.

Further inspection reveals use of ODS is isolated to one and only one state: New York (Steve Jackson is from Texas).

No wonder I never heard of the term. Your little bubble is not the world.

You'd received warnings and threadbans in the past. And yet you keep right on insisting in off topic posting. Banned.