Abortion was a gun held by the Democrats to the heads of their voters, especially with VP Harris' ridiculous statement about "settled law". The outrage is the strategy with democrats, not a better society. Legislating from the bench is the overreach, which SJG does not understand.

Same applies to Gay Marriage. Codify it if you believe in it. A civil definition of marriage that includes gay marriage. Very simple. Just codify it as actual law. Don't just use it as a campaign prop like other forms of performative socjus. Justice Thomas was right on about that. Believe in it? Then make it law.

Blind allegiance to Democrats over their shotgun marriage to these issues? That's why I have to scoff about SJG. Otherwise, the statement is pretty much dumb and does not move the dial for me regarding their products.(Of course, I'm not a gurps customer, so there's that.)

Exactly. If they really cared about social change then they'd add amendments to the constitution.

But they don't. They just want cushy positions where they can sip chai lattes and do nothing of value.

Quote from: bromides on July 09, 2022, 01:52:54 PM
Abortion was a gun held by the Democrats to the heads of their voters, especially with VP Harris' ridiculous statement about "settled law". The outrage is the strategy with democrats, not a better society. Legislating from the bench is the overreach, which SJG does not understand.

Same applies to Gay Marriage. Codify it if you believe in it. A civil definition of marriage that includes gay marriage. Very simple. Just codify it as actual law. Don't just use it as a campaign prop like other forms of performative socjus. Justice Thomas was right on about that. Believe in it? Then make it law.

Blind allegiance to Democrats over their shotgun marriage to these issues? That's why I have to scoff about SJG. Otherwise, the statement is pretty much dumb and does not move the dial for me regarding their products.(Of course, I'm not a gurps customer, so there's that.)

All understood.  My objection isn't with SJWG's absurd positions.  It's the part where he said that he'd donate his profits to the Lilith Fund.  That's the reason I will no longer buy his products.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on July 09, 2022, 02:50:51 PM
If they really cared about social change then they'd add amendments to the constitution.

The catch-22 is that because you need a three quarters majority of state governments to ratify a Constitutional amendment, you can only pass one once the social change you wanted has already been broadly accepted in the culture. Hence the things people most want amendments for are precisely the things they are least likely to be able to secure them for.

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser on July 09, 2022, 03:38:18 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on July 09, 2022, 02:50:51 PM
If they really cared about social change then they'd add amendments to the constitution.

The catch-22 is that because you need a three quarters majority of state governments to ratify a Constitutional amendment, you can only pass one once the social change you wanted has already been broadly accepted in the culture. Hence the things people most want amendments for are precisely the things they are least likely to be able to secure them for.

Another reason we need a new civil war to separate America into 2 separate countries.

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser on July 09, 2022, 03:38:18 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on July 09, 2022, 02:50:51 PM
If they really cared about social change then they'd add amendments to the constitution.

The catch-22 is that because you need a three quarters majority of state governments to ratify a Constitutional amendment, you can only pass one once the social change you wanted has already been broadly accepted in the culture. Hence the things people most want amendments for are precisely the things they are least likely to be able to secure them for.

One has to convince society (via state governments) before altering the constitution? How terrible...

So the whole Steve Jackson stuff was just a thinly veiled excuse to try and discuss abortion and religion in this forum I guess? Because the overwhelming majority of posts in this thread have zero to do with RPGs.

Quote from: Mistwell on July 09, 2022, 07:22:06 PM
So the whole Steve Jackson stuff was just a thinly veiled excuse to try and discuss abortion and religion in this forum I guess? Because the overwhelming majority of posts in this thread have zero to do with RPGs.

I'd argue that discussing the use of RPGs by their publisher to advocate for particular social policies, or the news that a given RPG publisher is going to start donating its profits towards such advocacy organizations, is an appropriate topic. There's a reason the list of "Woke" RPGs is in this forum, and not the RPGPundit's Own.

A hypothetical publisher who publicly announced some part of his profits would go to, for example, the Knights of Columbus or the March for Life should be equally open for criticism in this forum from those posters who disliked those organizations, so long as they complained about the forced politicization of the games rather than about the specific causes being supported.

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser on July 09, 2022, 08:34:32 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on July 09, 2022, 07:22:06 PM
So the whole Steve Jackson stuff was just a thinly veiled excuse to try and discuss abortion and religion in this forum I guess? Because the overwhelming majority of posts in this thread have zero to do with RPGs.

I'd argue that discussing the use of RPGs by their publisher to advocate for particular social policies, or the news that a given RPG publisher is going to start donating its profits towards such advocacy organizations, is an appropriate topic.

Yes. Absolutely. Just seems like an awful lot of these posts in this thread don't do that. A lot of it seems to be just people voicing their thoughts about abortion and/or religion without even mentioning the publisher and their advocacy, or mentioning him in a single sentence as a pretext to go on a long rant about the general topic of abortion.

Others are clearly discussing Steve Jackson, and I am not bugged by that.

I'm just tired of the "Let's just use every forum here to discuss our politics, even if we just need to find some pretext link to gaming to hide the fact that's what we're here for these days - political discussions, and not gaming discussions."

 Well....a long rant about abortion in response to a publisher's long rant about abortion....seems a little like something SJG asked for here.   I am missing religious comments though, but not being religious I sort of do not see comments endorsing or insulting religion, nose blind if you will

Quote from: Battlemaster on July 09, 2022, 05:03:23 PM

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser on July 09, 2022, 03:38:18 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on July 09, 2022, 02:50:51 PM
If they really cared about social change then they'd add amendments to the constitution.

The catch-22 is that because you need a three quarters majority of state governments to ratify a Constitutional amendment, you can only pass one once the social change you wanted has already been broadly accepted in the culture. Hence the things people most want amendments for are precisely the things they are least likely to be able to secure them for.

Another reason we need a new civil war to separate America into 2 separate countries.

Save it for Pundit's Forum, shithead.

Quote from: Cathode Ray on July 09, 2022, 03:29:12 PM
All understood.  My objection isn't with SJWG's absurd positions.  It's the part where he said that he'd donate his profits to the Lilith Fund.  That's the reason I will no longer buy his products.

I read it as he'd donate the profits of some baby killing T-shirt he's selling to the demon Lilith.

Quote from: Mistwell on July 09, 2022, 07:22:06 PM
So the whole Steve Jackson stuff was just a thinly veiled excuse to try and discuss abortion and religion in this forum I guess? Because the overwhelming majority of posts in this thread have zero to do with RPGs.

This is absolutely not a thread where people should be discussing any political subject, or any other subject, separate to the specifics of the relationship to SJG's recent statements. Doing so can lead to potential banning.

Quote from: Cathode Ray on July 08, 2022, 06:04:09 AM
Today's announcement from Steve Jackson Games is -

Irrelevant to gaming. Like this thread.

Why do game companies and gamers feel they need to express an opinion on this? Not even the GURPS rules are complicated enough to model abortion. It's just irrelevant.

Steve Jackson took a stand, in the hopes that people who don't buy or play games, will buy and play his games.  How sad.