Today's announcement from Steve Jackson Games is full-steam partisan/activist/pro-abortion.  I don't care what side you fall on: pro-abortion, or the side that's on the right side of history.  Right to privacy?  Keep your extremism private.

Official word from Steve Jackson, alienating the majority of people.
http://www.sjgames.com/ill/archive/July_08_2022/Roe_v_Wade

They states that they'll donate profits to help murder children.  (Link to the "charity" http://www.lilithfund.org )

Quote from: Cathode Ray on July 08, 2022, 06:04:09 AM
Today's announcement from Steve Jackson Games is full-steam partisan/activist/pro-abortion.  I don't care what side you fall on: pro-abortion, or the side that's on the right side of history.  Right to privacy?  Keep your extremism private.

Official word from Steve Jackson, alienating the majority of people.
http://www.sjgames.com/ill/archive/July_08_2022/Roe_v_Wade

They states that they'll donate profits to help murder children.  (Link to the "charity" http://www.lilithfund.org )

Lilith fund?!  ROTFLMAO! They should have just called it the Moloch fund.

Someone on their forums pleaded:

QuoteI have a heartfelt request for SJG, can the company be apolitical no matter the hot button topic? Whatever the stance of the company it will always alienate someone. It would be best if company opinions are nebulous so that no-one unintentionally left with the feeling that they have the wrong opinion or being felt attacked for not agreeing. I buy GURPS books to get away from the worldly things I can't control and I don't really want that baggage in the back of my mind every time I buy a new book.

Their reply was that they have to alienate people:

QuoteAbsolutely not, especially not from the person who owns the company. We have, as a company and individually, always been fairly forward with our opinions on social and political issues, and will continue to be so either individually or as a company voice. If we feel the issue is important enough to comment on as a company, like this one, you will see it.

The entire company is in lockstep.  I wonder if this means people have to profess SJG's ideology before they can be employed.  That's discrimination.  If not, what do they do to the employees that SJG alienates?

Quote from: Cathode Ray on July 08, 2022, 06:04:09 AM
Today's announcement from Steve Jackson Games is full-steam partisan/activist/pro-abortion.  I don't care what side you fall on: pro-abortion, or the side that's on the right side of history.  Right to privacy?  Keep your extremism private.

Official word from Steve Jackson, alienating the majority of people.
http://www.sjgames.com/ill/archive/July_08_2022/Roe_v_Wade

They states that they'll donate profits to help murder children.  (Link to the "charity" http://www.lilithfund.org )

I wish I could say that I'm surprised by this, but I'm not. SJG puts out good game products, but they have been anti-conservative since the Secret Service raided their offices over GURPS: Cyberpunk.

Quote from: Cathode Ray on July 08, 2022, 06:04:09 AM
They states that they'll donate profits to help murder children.

Please, keep your political opinions in the appropriate forum. I understand that abortion is extremely divisive and I agree that it is not the job of an entertainment company to lecture on political matters, but for the very same reason this is not the right forum where to do the same.

Quote from: Reckall on July 08, 2022, 06:39:09 AM

Quote from: Cathode Ray on July 08, 2022, 06:04:09 AM
They states that they'll donate profits to help murder children.

Please, keep your political opinions in the appropriate forum. I understand that abortion is extremely divisive and I agree that it is not the job of an entertainment company to lecture on political matters, but for the very same reason this is not the right forum where to do the same.

I understand, although that sentence was a fact, not an opinion. 

Quote from: Cathode Ray on July 08, 2022, 06:45:34 AM

Quote from: Reckall on July 08, 2022, 06:39:09 AM

Quote from: Cathode Ray on July 08, 2022, 06:04:09 AM
They states that they'll donate profits to help murder children.

Please, keep your political opinions in the appropriate forum. I understand that abortion is extremely divisive and I agree that it is not the job of an entertainment company to lecture on political matters, but for the very same reason this is not the right forum where to do the same.

I understand, although that sentence was a fact, not an opinion.

Trying to snuck the same political stance in a fake acknowledgement is not as smart as you think. Post about politics and your political views in the appropriate forum.

Once again, I will.

Damn! I always had evil Stevie pegged as a solid conservative. Maybe I misjudged him. Gotta check this out. Thanks, cr!

Anyway, abortion is always kinda funny to me. Christians are against it despite their god being a big believer in killing babies before and after birth. If they'd learn to read and read their Bible's  instead of waving them they'd know that. But in the bible killing babies isn't the womans choice and she usually dies too. Apparently they only object to it when it's the woman's choice and she survives.

Also I have yet to meet or see an anti abortion type who wasn't a compelling argument for abortion.

Quote from: Battlemaster on July 08, 2022, 07:35:03 AM
Damn! I always had evil Stevie pegged as a solid conservative. Maybe I misjudged him. Gotta check this out. Thanks, cr!

Maybe he is but not on this matter.

Speaking for me, I use to have my opinions on a score of topics. You could say that most of them fall within a certain political spectrum but some extremely don't. I don't like for an external complex of ideologies to dictate how I must think, which is why I never entered politics.

Quote from: Reckall on July 08, 2022, 07:46:45 AM

Quote from: Battlemaster on July 08, 2022, 07:35:03 AM
Damn! I always had evil Stevie pegged as a solid conservative. Maybe I misjudged him. Gotta check this out. Thanks, cr!

Maybe he is but not on this matter.

Speaking for me, I use to have my opinions on a score of topics. You could say that most of them fall within a certain political spectrum but some extremely don't. I don't like for an external complex of ideologies to dictate how I must think, which is why I never entered politics.

You know I never was a fan of Ayn Rhand,and never met anyone who was that wasn't an asshole, but she did have ut right when she said that you can decide not to take in interest in politics, but politics can decide to take an interest in you.

Quote from: Battlemaster on July 08, 2022, 07:52:05 AM

Quote from: Reckall on July 08, 2022, 07:46:45 AM

Quote from: Battlemaster on July 08, 2022, 07:35:03 AM
Damn! I always had evil Stevie pegged as a solid conservative. Maybe I misjudged him. Gotta check this out. Thanks, cr!

Maybe he is but not on this matter.

Speaking for me, I use to have my opinions on a score of topics. You could say that most of them fall within a certain political spectrum but some extremely don't. I don't like for an external complex of ideologies to dictate how I must think, which is why I never entered politics.

You know I never was a fan of Ayn Rhand,and never met anyone who was that wasn't an asshole, but she did have ut right when she said that you can decide not to take in interest in politics, but politics can decide to take an interest in you.

I think that, in today's World, "politics" should be substituted with "economic powers".

Quote from: Reckall on July 08, 2022, 06:39:09 AM

Quote from: Cathode Ray on July 08, 2022, 06:04:09 AM
They states that they'll donate profits to help murder children.

Please, keep your political opinions in the appropriate forum. I understand that abortion is extremely divisive and I agree that it is not the job of an entertainment company to lecture on political matters, but for the very same reason this is not the right forum where to do the same.

You do realize that your country's laws on Abortion would have been called zealous Pro-Life legislation if enacted here today? I don't think you have the slightest clue what you're actually saying.

In Italy you're limited to the first 90 days (12.5 weeks) unless life of mother is at risk and medical professionals have the right to conscientiously object to performing abortions.

The Left in the United States has demanded to be able to rip babies limb from limb right up to the moment of birth for any whim. The Left has been pushing new legislation to allow them to murder children up to a month AFTER birth if they change their mind. They are also demanding that medical professionals be forced to perform procedures they find morally objectionable or lose their license to practice and want their murder of babies to be celebrated by one and all on pain of ejection from society.

No, that IS State-mandated infant sacrifice to the Leftists' god that Steve Jackson is screeching about... that instead of the court imposing this satanic practice across the country by the fiat of nine men in robes, that instead it must be decided by representatives of the people in each state. Representative Democracy instead of Authoritarian Fiat? Oh, the HORROR!!!

And THIS is the hill that Steve Jackson has chosen for his company to die upon. That six unelected dead white men (and one black man) had the right to impose morality on hundreds of millions. That coercive power should be used to force doctors and nurses to violate their consciences because seven men in robes said so. That babies in the middle of labor can be ripped to pieces, their skulls crushed and their brains vacuumed out because the mother decided she'd rather not have stretch marks because sevrn men in robes said so.

Well, fuck Steve Jackson and his company. No one was asking him to take a stand one way or the other. He could have kept his damnable mouth shut and alienated no one. Now he's doubled down on saying half the population (and a much larger majority who didn't want it banned but that common sense restrictions like those in Italy should be in place) shouldn't buy from him because he'll just use the proceeds to help fund what they find morally objectionable.

He and his company are the literal definition of Bright Red on the Woke Company List; idiots who use their politics to virtue signal their compliance to the Woke and actually make it immoral to support their company financially to a whole bunch of religious people (i.e. they are now providing material support to what my Church considers an intrinsically evil act).

I know they've lost at least four customers from this and it's a shame because my godkids really love Munchkin.

Quote from: Chris24601 on July 08, 2022, 08:23:36 AM

Quote from: Reckall on July 08, 2022, 06:39:09 AM

Quote from: Cathode Ray on July 08, 2022, 06:04:09 AM
They states that they'll donate profits to help murder children.

Please, keep your political opinions in the appropriate forum. I understand that abortion is extremely divisive and I agree that it is not the job of an entertainment company to lecture on political matters, but for the very same reason this is not the right forum where to do the same.

You do realize that your country's laws on Abortion would have been called zealous Pro-Life legislation if enacted here today? I don't think you have the slightest clue what you're actually saying.

In Italy you're limited to the first 90 days (12.5 weeks) unless life of mother is at risk and medical professionals have the right to conscientiously object to performing abortions.

The Left in the United States has demanded to be able to rip babies limb from limb right up to the moment of birth for any whim. The Left has been pushing new legislation to allow them to murder children up to a month AFTER birth if they change their mind. They are also demanding that medical professionals be forced to perform procedures they find morally objectionable or lose their license to practice and want their murder of babies to be celebrated by one and all on pain of ejection from society.

No, that IS State-mandated infant sacrifice to the Leftists' god that Steve Jackson is screeching about... that instead of the court imposing this satanic practice across the country by the fiat of nine men in robes, that instead it must be decided by representatives of the people in each state. Representative Democracy instead of Authoritarian Fiat? Oh, the HORROR!!!

And THIS is the hill that Steve Jackson has chosen for his company to die upon. That six unelected dead white men (and one black man) had the right to impose morality on hundreds of millions. That coercive power should be used to force doctors and nurses to violate their consciences because seven men in robes said so. That babies in the middle of labor can be ripped to pieces, their skulls crushed and their brains vacuumed out because the mother decided she'd rather not have stretch marks because sevrn men in robes said so.

Well, fuck Steve Jackson and his company. No one was asking him to take a stand one way or the other. He could have kept his damnable mouth shut and alienated no one. Now he's doubled down on saying half the population (and a much larger majority who didn't want it banned but that common sense restrictions like those in Italy should be in place) shouldn't buy from him because he'll just use the proceeds to help fund what they find morally objectionable.

He and his company are the literal definition of Bright Red on the Woke Company List; idiots who use their politics to virtue signal their compliance to the Woke and actually make it immoral to support their company financially to a whole bunch of religious people (i.e. they are now providing material support to what my Church considers an intrinsically evil act).

I know they've lost at least four customers from this and it's a shame because my godkids really love Munchkin.

And here we have an example of critical failure in "roll on your 'keep politics in the appropriate forum' skill".

Quotea woman's choices

SJG said "woman" rather than "birthing person" or "uterus owner." Can't wait until the woke call them out for "transphobia."