Quote from: jhkim on July 20, 2022, 09:55:18 PM

And conversely, another RPG producer names themselves "Venger Satanis" after a male devil, and publishes an RPG module explicitly dedicated to taking away a woman's right to an abortion.

Reality is strange, but then, it's always been strange.

An author publishes a fantasy book in a fantasy world about fantasy elements that has a spoof on today's Real Life topics.

I see nothing wrong with publishing this as is and letting the marketplace decide if it's a good RolePlaying Product or pure trash.

Once the Author/Company goes out and states what their political or moral agenda is and aligns their products that they sell with said agenda then the product is a represenation of the company/invididual.

In this way one can seperate the art from the artist cleanly.

I do not see Vengar stating that buying said product is now supporting Pro-Life movement.  Show me where he did that as SJG did with pro-choice.

My hot take is that there is a significant difference between knowing that the employees or owners of a company will use their money in a way you're opposed to and buying their stuff anyway, and buying a product where the profits are specifically going to go to support a cause you're opposed to.

First of all, trying to avoid the first case means never doing business with any large company at all because statistically some percent of the employees of any such company will use part of their paycheck supporting something you oppose.

Secondly, though, is the matter of fungibility and intention. If I buy a hamburger from someone I know spends part of their money to something I oppose, the money I give him for the burger just goes in a big pool out of which some goes to support evil. If on the other hand he says "1% of the profits on this burger go to support the thing" then he's inviting me to participate in what I oppose and I know that some of my money specifically will be earmarked for it.

From a strictly consequentialist standpoint it might not be possible to distinguish the two but I'm not a consequentialist.

Quote from: THE_Leopold on July 21, 2022, 11:30:08 AM
Once the Author/Company goes out and states what their political or moral agenda is and aligns their products that they sell with said agenda then the product is a represenation of the company/invididual.

In this way one can seperate the art from the artist cleanly.

I do not see Vengar stating that buying said product is now supporting Pro-Life movement.  Show me where he did that as SJG did with pro-choice.

So Steve Jackson said that buying the specific t-shirt would support a pro-choice fund, but didn't say that about his gaming products. Venger Satanis didn't say anything about monetary donations, but he did clearly connect the product to the cause. His blog announcement of the adventure went:

QuoteJust this morning, I released a new PDF scenario for Cha'alt... my eldritch, gonzo, science-fantasy, post-apocalypse campaign setting.

The Good Syma'arian commemorates the striking down of Roe vs Wade.  Hey, bad precedent is bad precedent.  Not to mention, murder is wrong.  While I'm not an absolutist, I lean stronger on the pro-life side.

http://vengersatanis.blogspot.com/2022/05/anti-abortion-free-chaalt-adventure.html

And in the text of the adventure itself, it has the same political appeal.

QuoteThis scenario was written to commemorate the historic upending of America's "Roe vs Wade" abortion case from 1973... the year D&D was conceived.

As most people are hopefully aware, the overturning of this legal decision by the United States Supreme Court does not mean abortion is
suddenly illegal throughout the country. Rather, limitations and restrictions are kicked-back to the individual states so that the people can
decide for themselves what's to be done about this particularly thorny issue.

The Good Syma'arian touches on various political topics, referencing The Bible, pop-culture, and my own eldritch, gonzo, science-fantasy, post-apocalyptic campaign setting Cha'alt... get the entire trilogy!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sGj55NiTGJ-WFHlr-VBou-B0rqAlEAt1/view

That is clearly stating his political agenda, and is specifically aligning the product itself with the agenda. If the issue is monetary donations, that's not specified, but it's also not specified for any of SJG gaming products.

Who can forget GURPS Ladyboys? The title says it all.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 21, 2022, 02:45:55 AM
On the Woke-O-Meter, I give this stance by SJG a 2.75 out of 10. They support Roe, but then a lot of people do without being screeching retards. Company's got an official statement, they're welcome to have one and make it public. The "Lilith Fund" sounds like the usual wink and jab at conservative religion, and not an indication that they're Satanist Baby Killers.

I imagine the only reason we've made it this far on the thread is because some posters here have strong opinions about RvW and abortion in general and SJG is a fairly big name in gaming.

What?? How dare you exercise such rationality and critical thinking when someone mentions "babies"! 

Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 21, 2022, 02:45:55 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on July 20, 2022, 05:51:37 PM
This is not the place to discuss the politics of Star Trek. People who keep derailing the thread with that off-topic discussion, or any other off-topic discussion, will be banned.

Aight. On the Woke-O-Meter, I give this stance by SJG a 2.75 out of 10. They support Roe, but then a lot of people do without being screeching retards. Company's got an official statement, they're welcome to have one and make it public. The "Lilith Fund" sounds like the usual wink and jab at conservative religion, and not an indication that they're Satanist Baby Killers.

I imagine the only reason we've made it this far on the thread is because some posters here have strong opinions about RvW and abortion in general and SJG is a fairly big name in gaming.

No.

There was no "wink and jab" in the SJG press release. Read it again. There was no playfulness in it whatsoever. He wasn't "trolling" or trying to be "edgy". Jackson (or whomever wrote the press release) came across as weak, afraid, and self-righteous about being morally depraved. It came across like some poorly-written, Boomer Groomer SJW manifesto.

Edit: I also read a bit of the "Lilith" site. There's no "wink and jab" there either. It's obviously some very well-funded and well-organized globalist NGO, with funds coming from....somewhere. It might be a CIA proxy organization, or the site might be a proxy for some other group. I haven't thoroughly researched it, so I don't know. It brings up stereotypical neo-marxist bafflegab like, "intersectionality", "anti-racism", and "white supremacy". And of course, they put the international terrorist group, BLM, up on a pedestal.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 21, 2022, 06:08:39 AM

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on July 21, 2022, 04:35:07 AM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on July 18, 2022, 11:53:00 AM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on July 10, 2022, 10:55:54 AM
Is anyone talking about this anywhere else? I'm not seeing it discussed over on TBP, but they may be hiding the celebration in Tangency.

  It's taken a week, but someone is trying to rally the hordes to the SJG banner ... https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/a-time-to-rally.899681/

The guy trying to "rally the hordes" at rpg.net (C31R07) is using a new account created a week ago. Not too smart. I would not be surprised if the mysterious poster in question works for or with Steve Jackson Games, in some capacity. And I don't know why, but I get this weird feeling that Jackson secretly doesn't even fully control his own company any more. But whatever.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 21, 2022, 02:45:55 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on July 20, 2022, 05:51:37 PM
This is not the place to discuss the politics of Star Trek. People who keep derailing the thread with that off-topic discussion, or any other off-topic discussion, will be banned.

Aight. On the Woke-O-Meter, I give this stance by SJG a 2.75 out of 10. They support Roe, but then a lot of people do without being screeching retards. Company's got an official statement, they're welcome to have one and make it public. The "Lilith Fund" sounds like the usual wink and jab at conservative religion, and not an indication that they're Satanist Baby Killers.

I imagine the only reason we've made it this far on the thread is because some posters here have strong opinions about RvW and abortion in general and SJG is a fairly big name in gaming.

The abortion industry is indeed a satanic ritual, involving mass child sacrifice. It always was. But a lot of people haven't figured that out yet. That said, I would have been happy to dismiss him as yet another selfish normie Boomer, who's clueless about the evils of abortion. But then he started sperging about a bunch of other (seemingly unrelated) globohomo issues, and donated to that fucking demonic fund.

The fund he made a PRESS RELEASE for is not called the "Women's Rights Fund". That fund is named after a DEMON who kills babies. And this is advocated by a guy with a Luciferian Illuminati logo on his site? Yeah, ok. Jackson (or whomever is in control over there) knows EXACTLY the significance of the abortion fund's name. That perverse motherfucker knows.

He knows. 

Pffft. This is the guy who published In Nomine, an irreverant RPG about Angels and Devils and religion. SJG has been courting controversy all the time it's existed. They only got close (AFAIK) with the FBI raids.

But you want to proclaim he's a Satan worshipper participating in the intentional sacrifice of babies. I can believe some far out conspiracies, but I'm gonna need some direct evidence and not conjecture over 1. The illuminati symbol, chosen because they, y'know, made a game about the illuminati, and 2. An abortion fund named after a mythological demon.

I'd sooner believe that people who play Dungeons and Dragons are satan worshippers because the game is full of demons and magic spells.

Don't do that. I don't "want" to proclaim anything. Don't make it about me. I like Jackson's games, and I have no idea if he's a devil-worshipper or not. I would hope and pray that he's not. Frankly, I don't know if the man even controls his own gaming company any more. Who knows, right?

The 'Satanic' thing is something I would have completely dismissed as conspiracy theory wankery five years ago.....but a large number of politicians, entertainers, corporate talking heads, public figures, and business owners have been behaving very fucking strangely over the past few years....to such a point that I won't just casually dismiss the idea of it.

The real point here is that I do not trust Steve Jackson any more. I reject his morality and his entire world view. As far as I am concerned, he is completely morally depraved. I will never fully trust anyone who trivializes child sacrifice. And after reading the SJG press release, his self-righteous neo-Marxist pro-Groomer wankery and advocacy of the CIA/NATO proxy war in Ukraine just throws extra cat shit on a dog shit sandwich.

I can give money to people whose values do not align with mine, but only up to a point. He made a press release about donating to an abortion fund named after a baby-killing demon. Well, you tell me. Is Satan or Baphomet going to be "rebranded" as a "feminist" icon next? Don't laugh! I would have considered that question unthinkable and retarded five years ago, or maybe even only two years ago.....but not now.

Anyway, I'll say it again. I liked Munchkin and I liked GURPS. I feel nostalgic for playing both these games right now, but I can live without buying new SJG product....because as far as I'm concerned, Steve Jackson is pond scum. I am not interested in giving the man money, because it means I'm condoning and enabling his particular brand of evil.

And yes, I do mean the word, "evil". Remember, you don't have to personally hurl a crying baby into a burning volcano to be evil. Sometimes, what we call evil is more casual, subtle, and mundane. And Jackson's advocacy of the "Lilith Fund" is a prime example of it.

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on July 21, 2022, 03:06:19 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 21, 2022, 02:45:55 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on July 20, 2022, 05:51:37 PM
This is not the place to discuss the politics of Star Trek. People who keep derailing the thread with that off-topic discussion, or any other off-topic discussion, will be banned.

Aight. On the Woke-O-Meter, I give this stance by SJG a 2.75 out of 10. They support Roe, but then a lot of people do without being screeching retards. Company's got an official statement, they're welcome to have one and make it public. The "Lilith Fund" sounds like the usual wink and jab at conservative religion, and not an indication that they're Satanist Baby Killers.

I imagine the only reason we've made it this far on the thread is because some posters here have strong opinions about RvW and abortion in general and SJG is a fairly big name in gaming.

No.

There was no "wink and jab" in the SJG press release. Read it again. There was no playfulness in it whatsoever. He wasn't "trolling" or trying to be "edgy". Jackson (or whomever wrote the press release) came across as weak, afraid, and self-righteous about being morally depraved. It came across like some poorly-written, Boomer Groomer SJW manifesto.

Edit: I also read a bit of the "Lilith" site. There's no "wink and jab" there either. It's obviously some very well-funded and well-organized globalist NGO, with funds coming from....somewhere. It might be a CIA proxy organization, or the site might be a proxy for some other group. I haven't thoroughly researched it, so I don't know. It brings up stereotypical neo-marxist bafflegab like, "intersectionality", "anti-racism", and "white supremacy". And of course, they put the international terrorist group, BLM, up on a pedestal.

None of this indicates Satan worship. What do you mean by Satan Worship anyway? Is it anything you don't like?

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Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 21, 2022, 06:08:39 AM

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on July 21, 2022, 04:35:07 AM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on July 18, 2022, 11:53:00 AM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on July 10, 2022, 10:55:54 AM
Is anyone talking about this anywhere else? I'm not seeing it discussed over on TBP, but they may be hiding the celebration in Tangency.

  It's taken a week, but someone is trying to rally the hordes to the SJG banner ... https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/a-time-to-rally.899681/

The guy trying to "rally the hordes" at rpg.net (C31R07) is using a new account created a week ago. Not too smart. I would not be surprised if the mysterious poster in question works for or with Steve Jackson Games, in some capacity. And I don't know why, but I get this weird feeling that Jackson secretly doesn't even fully control his own company any more. But whatever.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 21, 2022, 02:45:55 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on July 20, 2022, 05:51:37 PM
This is not the place to discuss the politics of Star Trek. People who keep derailing the thread with that off-topic discussion, or any other off-topic discussion, will be banned.

Aight. On the Woke-O-Meter, I give this stance by SJG a 2.75 out of 10. They support Roe, but then a lot of people do without being screeching retards. Company's got an official statement, they're welcome to have one and make it public. The "Lilith Fund" sounds like the usual wink and jab at conservative religion, and not an indication that they're Satanist Baby Killers.

I imagine the only reason we've made it this far on the thread is because some posters here have strong opinions about RvW and abortion in general and SJG is a fairly big name in gaming.

The abortion industry is indeed a satanic ritual, involving mass child sacrifice. It always was. But a lot of people haven't figured that out yet. That said, I would have been happy to dismiss him as yet another selfish normie Boomer, who's clueless about the evils of abortion. But then he started sperging about a bunch of other (seemingly unrelated) globohomo issues, and donated to that fucking demonic fund.

The fund he made a PRESS RELEASE for is not called the "Women's Rights Fund". That fund is named after a DEMON who kills babies. And this is advocated by a guy with a Luciferian Illuminati logo on his site? Yeah, ok. Jackson (or whomever is in control over there) knows EXACTLY the significance of the abortion fund's name. That perverse motherfucker knows.

He knows. 

Pffft. This is the guy who published In Nomine, an irreverant RPG about Angels and Devils and religion. SJG has been courting controversy all the time it's existed. They only got close (AFAIK) with the FBI raids.

But you want to proclaim he's a Satan worshipper participating in the intentional sacrifice of babies. I can believe some far out conspiracies, but I'm gonna need some direct evidence and not conjecture over 1. The illuminati symbol, chosen because they, y'know, made a game about the illuminati, and 2. An abortion fund named after a mythological demon.

I'd sooner believe that people who play Dungeons and Dragons are satan worshippers because the game is full of demons and magic spells.

Don't do that. I don't "want" to proclaim anything. Don't make it about me. I like Jackson's games, and I have no idea if he's a devil-worshipper or not.

Then don't throw the accusation around lightly.

  If fetuses are babies (and where we draw that line...I guess God and Satan only know) and LOTS of abortions in the USA are well past 15 weeks, and Satan likes babies to be sacrificed I think he probably does not give two shits if you show up in his church and chant so long as you keep the baby sacrifices rolling.   I wonder if Steve thinks a good solution of feeling intense grief and depression is suicide? 

Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 21, 2022, 06:08:39 AM
But you want to proclaim he's a Satan worshipper participating in the intentional sacrifice of babies. I can believe some far out conspiracies, but I'm gonna need some direct evidence and not conjecture over 1. The illuminati symbol, chosen because they, y'know, made a game about the illuminati, and 2. An abortion fund named after a mythological demon.

There is a clear difference between being a Satan worshiper participating in the intentional sacrifice of babies and a useful idiot paying for the sacrificing of babies by Satan worshipers.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 21, 2022, 05:34:56 PM

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on July 21, 2022, 03:06:19 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 21, 2022, 02:45:55 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on July 20, 2022, 05:51:37 PM
This is not the place to discuss the politics of Star Trek. People who keep derailing the thread with that off-topic discussion, or any other off-topic discussion, will be banned.

Aight. On the Woke-O-Meter, I give this stance by SJG a 2.75 out of 10. They support Roe, but then a lot of people do without being screeching retards. Company's got an official statement, they're welcome to have one and make it public. The "Lilith Fund" sounds like the usual wink and jab at conservative religion, and not an indication that they're Satanist Baby Killers.

I imagine the only reason we've made it this far on the thread is because some posters here have strong opinions about RvW and abortion in general and SJG is a fairly big name in gaming.

No.

There was no "wink and jab" in the SJG press release. Read it again. There was no playfulness in it whatsoever. He wasn't "trolling" or trying to be "edgy". Jackson (or whomever wrote the press release) came across as weak, afraid, and self-righteous about being morally depraved. It came across like some poorly-written, Boomer Groomer SJW manifesto.

Edit: I also read a bit of the "Lilith" site. There's no "wink and jab" there either. It's obviously some very well-funded and well-organized globalist NGO, with funds coming from....somewhere. It might be a CIA proxy organization, or the site might be a proxy for some other group. I haven't thoroughly researched it, so I don't know. It brings up stereotypical neo-marxist bafflegab like, "intersectionality", "anti-racism", and "white supremacy". And of course, they put the international terrorist group, BLM, up on a pedestal.

None of this indicates Satan worship. What do you mean by Satan Worship anyway? Is it anything you don't like?

You're kind of a passive-aggressive morally disingenuous douchebag.

Does Steve Jackson understand the significance of naming an abortion fund after a baby-killing demon or not? Yes or no? I consider that to be a legitimate question.

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Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 21, 2022, 06:08:39 AM

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on July 21, 2022, 04:35:07 AM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on July 18, 2022, 11:53:00 AM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on July 10, 2022, 10:55:54 AM
Is anyone talking about this anywhere else? I'm not seeing it discussed over on TBP, but they may be hiding the celebration in Tangency.

  It's taken a week, but someone is trying to rally the hordes to the SJG banner ... https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/a-time-to-rally.899681/

The guy trying to "rally the hordes" at rpg.net (C31R07) is using a new account created a week ago. Not too smart. I would not be surprised if the mysterious poster in question works for or with Steve Jackson Games, in some capacity. And I don't know why, but I get this weird feeling that Jackson secretly doesn't even fully control his own company any more. But whatever.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 21, 2022, 02:45:55 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on July 20, 2022, 05:51:37 PM
This is not the place to discuss the politics of Star Trek. People who keep derailing the thread with that off-topic discussion, or any other off-topic discussion, will be banned.

Aight. On the Woke-O-Meter, I give this stance by SJG a 2.75 out of 10. They support Roe, but then a lot of people do without being screeching retards. Company's got an official statement, they're welcome to have one and make it public. The "Lilith Fund" sounds like the usual wink and jab at conservative religion, and not an indication that they're Satanist Baby Killers.

I imagine the only reason we've made it this far on the thread is because some posters here have strong opinions about RvW and abortion in general and SJG is a fairly big name in gaming.

The abortion industry is indeed a satanic ritual, involving mass child sacrifice. It always was. But a lot of people haven't figured that out yet. That said, I would have been happy to dismiss him as yet another selfish normie Boomer, who's clueless about the evils of abortion. But then he started sperging about a bunch of other (seemingly unrelated) globohomo issues, and donated to that fucking demonic fund.

The fund he made a PRESS RELEASE for is not called the "Women's Rights Fund". That fund is named after a DEMON who kills babies. And this is advocated by a guy with a Luciferian Illuminati logo on his site? Yeah, ok. Jackson (or whomever is in control over there) knows EXACTLY the significance of the abortion fund's name. That perverse motherfucker knows.

He knows. 

Pffft. This is the guy who published In Nomine, an irreverant RPG about Angels and Devils and religion. SJG has been courting controversy all the time it's existed. They only got close (AFAIK) with the FBI raids.

But you want to proclaim he's a Satan worshipper participating in the intentional sacrifice of babies. I can believe some far out conspiracies, but I'm gonna need some direct evidence and not conjecture over 1. The illuminati symbol, chosen because they, y'know, made a game about the illuminati, and 2. An abortion fund named after a mythological demon.

I'd sooner believe that people who play Dungeons and Dragons are satan worshippers because the game is full of demons and magic spells.

Don't do that. I don't "want" to proclaim anything. Don't make it about me. I like Jackson's games, and I have no idea if he's a devil-worshipper or not.

Quote from: RatmanThen don't throw the accusation around lightly.

I don't absolutely know for sure, but I STRONGLY suspect it. Why else would Jackson donate to an abortion fund named after a baby-killing demon? Remember that this guy has also researched Luciferian Illuminati wankery for his precious games. How would someone like him not understand the religious or mythic significance of "Lilith", in regards to abortion? Are you saying that he's not evil, but just monumentally stupid?

But whatever. Go worship and white knight your precious groomer hero, who also advocates for the murder of babies. It's too creepy and weird for me.

And incidentally, someone named "agentdenton" indirectly posted about this thread last week on the SJG forum. He might be the same person as "C31R07" from rpgnet, before he was banned. Both accounts posted at roughly the same time.

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on July 21, 2022, 06:18:45 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 21, 2022, 05:34:56 PM

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on July 21, 2022, 03:06:19 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 21, 2022, 02:45:55 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on July 20, 2022, 05:51:37 PM
This is not the place to discuss the politics of Star Trek. People who keep derailing the thread with that off-topic discussion, or any other off-topic discussion, will be banned.

Aight. On the Woke-O-Meter, I give this stance by SJG a 2.75 out of 10. They support Roe, but then a lot of people do without being screeching retards. Company's got an official statement, they're welcome to have one and make it public. The "Lilith Fund" sounds like the usual wink and jab at conservative religion, and not an indication that they're Satanist Baby Killers.

I imagine the only reason we've made it this far on the thread is because some posters here have strong opinions about RvW and abortion in general and SJG is a fairly big name in gaming.

No.

There was no "wink and jab" in the SJG press release. Read it again. There was no playfulness in it whatsoever. He wasn't "trolling" or trying to be "edgy". Jackson (or whomever wrote the press release) came across as weak, afraid, and self-righteous about being morally depraved. It came across like some poorly-written, Boomer Groomer SJW manifesto.

Edit: I also read a bit of the "Lilith" site. There's no "wink and jab" there either. It's obviously some very well-funded and well-organized globalist NGO, with funds coming from....somewhere. It might be a CIA proxy organization, or the site might be a proxy for some other group. I haven't thoroughly researched it, so I don't know. It brings up stereotypical neo-marxist bafflegab like, "intersectionality", "anti-racism", and "white supremacy". And of course, they put the international terrorist group, BLM, up on a pedestal.

None of this indicates Satan worship. What do you mean by Satan Worship anyway? Is it anything you don't like?

You're kind of a passive-aggressive morally disingenuous douchebag.

Does Steve Jackson understand the significance of naming an abortion fund after a baby-killing demon or not? Yes or no? I consider that to be a legitimate question.

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Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 21, 2022, 06:08:39 AM

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on July 21, 2022, 04:35:07 AM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on July 18, 2022, 11:53:00 AM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on July 10, 2022, 10:55:54 AM
Is anyone talking about this anywhere else? I'm not seeing it discussed over on TBP, but they may be hiding the celebration in Tangency.

  It's taken a week, but someone is trying to rally the hordes to the SJG banner ... https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/a-time-to-rally.899681/

The guy trying to "rally the hordes" at rpg.net (C31R07) is using a new account created a week ago. Not too smart. I would not be surprised if the mysterious poster in question works for or with Steve Jackson Games, in some capacity. And I don't know why, but I get this weird feeling that Jackson secretly doesn't even fully control his own company any more. But whatever.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 21, 2022, 02:45:55 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on July 20, 2022, 05:51:37 PM
This is not the place to discuss the politics of Star Trek. People who keep derailing the thread with that off-topic discussion, or any other off-topic discussion, will be banned.

Aight. On the Woke-O-Meter, I give this stance by SJG a 2.75 out of 10. They support Roe, but then a lot of people do without being screeching retards. Company's got an official statement, they're welcome to have one and make it public. The "Lilith Fund" sounds like the usual wink and jab at conservative religion, and not an indication that they're Satanist Baby Killers.

I imagine the only reason we've made it this far on the thread is because some posters here have strong opinions about RvW and abortion in general and SJG is a fairly big name in gaming.

The abortion industry is indeed a satanic ritual, involving mass child sacrifice. It always was. But a lot of people haven't figured that out yet. That said, I would have been happy to dismiss him as yet another selfish normie Boomer, who's clueless about the evils of abortion. But then he started sperging about a bunch of other (seemingly unrelated) globohomo issues, and donated to that fucking demonic fund.

The fund he made a PRESS RELEASE for is not called the "Women's Rights Fund". That fund is named after a DEMON who kills babies. And this is advocated by a guy with a Luciferian Illuminati logo on his site? Yeah, ok. Jackson (or whomever is in control over there) knows EXACTLY the significance of the abortion fund's name. That perverse motherfucker knows.

He knows. 

Pffft. This is the guy who published In Nomine, an irreverant RPG about Angels and Devils and religion. SJG has been courting controversy all the time it's existed. They only got close (AFAIK) with the FBI raids.

But you want to proclaim he's a Satan worshipper participating in the intentional sacrifice of babies. I can believe some far out conspiracies, but I'm gonna need some direct evidence and not conjecture over 1. The illuminati symbol, chosen because they, y'know, made a game about the illuminati, and 2. An abortion fund named after a mythological demon.

I'd sooner believe that people who play Dungeons and Dragons are satan worshippers because the game is full of demons and magic spells.

Don't do that. I don't "want" to proclaim anything. Don't make it about me. I like Jackson's games, and I have no idea if he's a devil-worshipper or not.

Quote from: RatmanThen don't throw the accusation around lightly.

I don't absolutely know for sure, but I STRONGLY suspect it. Why else would Jackson donate to an abortion fund named after a baby-killing demon? Remember that this guy has also researched Luciferian Illuminati wankery for his precious games. How would someone like him not understand the religious or mythic significance of "Lilith", in regards to abortion? Are you saying that he's not evil, but just monumentally stupid?

But whatever. Go worship and white knight your precious groomer hero, who also advocates for the murder of babies. It's too creepy and weird for me.

And incidentally, someone named "agentdenton" indirectly posted about this thread last week on the SJG forum. He might be the same person as "C31R07" from rpgnet, before he was banned. Both accounts posted at roughly the same time.

Or, again, SJG just did it to troll for idiots that are going to have bombastic reactions. It seems that he was particularly successful in this.

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This is not the place to discuss the politics of Star Trek. People who keep derailing the thread with that off-topic discussion, or any other off-topic discussion, will be banned.

Aight. On the Woke-O-Meter, I give this stance by SJG a 2.75 out of 10. They support Roe, but then a lot of people do without being screeching retards. Company's got an official statement, they're welcome to have one and make it public. The "Lilith Fund" sounds like the usual wink and jab at conservative religion, and not an indication that they're Satanist Baby Killers.

I imagine the only reason we've made it this far on the thread is because some posters here have strong opinions about RvW and abortion in general and SJG is a fairly big name in gaming.

No.

There was no "wink and jab" in the SJG press release. Read it again. There was no playfulness in it whatsoever. He wasn't "trolling" or trying to be "edgy". Jackson (or whomever wrote the press release) came across as weak, afraid, and self-righteous about being morally depraved. It came across like some poorly-written, Boomer Groomer SJW manifesto.

Edit: I also read a bit of the "Lilith" site. There's no "wink and jab" there either. It's obviously some very well-funded and well-organized globalist NGO, with funds coming from....somewhere. It might be a CIA proxy organization, or the site might be a proxy for some other group. I haven't thoroughly researched it, so I don't know. It brings up stereotypical neo-marxist bafflegab like, "intersectionality", "anti-racism", and "white supremacy". And of course, they put the international terrorist group, BLM, up on a pedestal.

None of this indicates Satan worship. What do you mean by Satan Worship anyway? Is it anything you don't like?

You're kind of a passive-aggressive morally disingenuous douchebag.

I'm honestly asking the question because I was becoming confused about your use of the term. I can't help if you think that makes me a "passive-aggressive morally disingenuous douchebag".

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Does Steve Jackson understand the significance of naming an abortion fund after a baby-killing demon or not? Yes or no? I consider that to be a legitimate question.

You should probably ask him. I don't know.

QuoteI don't absolutely know for sure, but I STRONGLY suspect it. Why else would Jackson donate to an abortion fund named after a baby-killing demon? Remember that this guy has also researched Luciferian Illuminati wankery for his precious games. How would someone like him not understand the religious or mythic significance of "Lilith", in regards to abortion? Are you saying that he's not evil, but just monumentally stupid?

I'm saying I don't know either way. I don't know the guy personally. My opinion is that he's probably pro-abortion rights and isn't afraid of "satanist" connotations like I'm not afriad of being called a Nazi by wokesters.

QuoteBut whatever. Go worship and white knight your precious groomer hero, who also advocates for the murder of babies. It's too creepy and weird for me.

Don't get your panties in a bunch. I haven't bought a SJG product since the 90's, and I don't particularly care about Steve Jackson as a person one way or the other.

They really chinched out on production values for their anti-life T-shirt.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYXN0FuXkAUdYYN?format=jpg&name=small

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They really chinched out on production values for their anti-life T-shirt.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYXN0FuXkAUdYYN?format=jpg&name=small

I guess this is intentionally mocking, but in case it isn't clear, the actual t-shirt is here:
https://www.redbubble.com/i/t-shirt/Flower-Our-Bodies-Our-Choice-for-Charity-by-SJ-Games/116922983.VL7OD.XYZ

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Quote from: Cathode Ray on July 23, 2022, 11:58:39 AM
They really chinched out on production values for their anti-life T-shirt.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYXN0FuXkAUdYYN?format=jpg&name=small

I guess this is intentionally mocking, but in case it isn't clear, the actual t-shirt is here:
https://www.redbubble.com/i/t-shirt/Flower-Our-Bodies-Our-Choice-for-Charity-by-SJ-Games/116922983.VL7OD.XYZ

I think she lost a game of "got your nose" or else that toothed axe took a nip at it.