Quote from: rgalex;1091722I saw that but refuse to back it because Paul "Ettin" Matijevic is involved.

Ugh. His Twitter feed.

And it's a real shame too.  I like Jay Iles's work and would have probably backed this otherwise.  I just can't with "Ettin" attached to it.  He's one on a very, very small list of people who I refuse to support.

For fans of the BLAME! manga/anime, there's Evolution Pulse, an Italian rpg that's a spiritual successor (and apparently pretty good at it).

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Quote from: rgalex;1091722I saw that but refuse to back it because Paul "Ettin" Matijevic is involved.

I was hoping to separate art from artist until punching Nazis was an example of what you can do with a cyberfist. I deleted the quickstart. It has some good ideas, but damn if it's annoying to see the weak jabs with SocJus crap.

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1091789I was hoping to separate art from artist until punching Nazis was an example of what you can do with a cyberfist. I deleted the quickstart. It has some good ideas, but damn if it's annoying to see the weak jabs with SocJus crap.

Weak jabs is all the sjw crowd can accomplish.

Quote from: Aglondir;1091380NONE! Keep your elves out my cyberpunk!

(edit: On a more serious note, I played a lot of SR back in the 90's. I did not like the demi-humans, the magic, and the Native American stuff. Nor did I like the in-game fiction, which seemed downright stupid. Maybe the game has changed since then?)

Overall. Not for the better past 2nd ed. Theres some interesting stuff in 3rd ed but it starts to increasingly go downhill...

If you want Shadowrun done right then grab Night's Edge. The CP2020 techno-horror setting.

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;1091446Someone took a bite out of this thread.

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Seems not? My post and a few others seem to be gone.

Quote from: Aglondir;1091283The Worlds of Android: Looks like a sourcebook from the Netrunner CCG universe. Very Blade Runner. I think it is the most interesting thing on this list, but it's not an RPG.

Try #2

Android Netrunner is NOT a CCG. It is a standard card game with alot of little expansions that come out fairly regularly. No random. No "collectible". This has been a business model for FFG for a while now.

But... Android Netrunner is in fact a retheme of the original Netrunner CCG. Which is... the CCG for Cyberpunk 2020 which WOTC produced and then screwed over. Its nearly exactly the same game. But with the CP2020 IP filed off. And now pacaged as a standard game rather than a CCG.

Try #2

Some good cyberpunk RPGs.

Shadowrun: Seen this played quite a bit with the magic elements either removed or heavily downplayed to the point that theres no magic and any elves, orcs, whatever are either mutants or bodymodding.

Night's Edge: This is Shadowrun done better in many ways. A techno-horror setting for CP2020 what meshes horror and the supernatural with cyberpunk so much better.

Chromosome: An Amazing Engine setting. This one is interesting as it is actually more a Biopunk setting with biotech used much more extensively rather than cybernetics.

DeathNet: A d20 modern setting that appeared in Polyhedron. This one was about a people being trapped in a VR world after some unknown event. They can not log out and have no idea what happened  . From there they have to try and survive the various worlds trying to find clues or programs to help them escape. Rather ahead of its time and came out the same year that .Hack//sign.

Cyberworld: A LARP system that could also be played as a straightup RPG. An obscure one I have only met a few others who own a copy.

Cyberspace: This one used to be rather well known but eventually was overshadowed by CP2020 and others. If I recall right it ises a similar system to Runequest?

Cyberpapacy for TORG: This was a really interesting concept. Mixing inquisition type religious elements with a cyberpunk setting.
Tharkhold for TORG: Another odd mix. This one techno-horror and body-horror with a touch of Gargoyles. Did not though present itself as well as Cyberpapacy did.

Quote from: Omega;1091800Try #2

Android Netrunner is NOT a CCG. It is a standard card game with alot of little expansions that come out fairly regularly. No random. No "collectible". This has been a business model for FFG for a while now.

But... Android Netrunner is in fact a retheme of the original Netrunner CCG. Which is... the CCG for Cyberpunk 2020 which WOTC produced and then screwed over. Its nearly exactly the same game. But with the CP2020 IP filed off. And now pacaged as a standard game rather than a CCG.

The Android setting has its own identity and is actually pretty good. I recommend for anyone wanting an updated take on the genre.

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1091789I was hoping to separate art from artist until punching Nazis was an example of what you can do with a cyberfist. I deleted the quickstart. It has some good ideas, but damn if it's annoying to see the weak jabs with SocJus crap.

Was that actually in there? I couldn't get past the garbage on the KS page.

Quote from: Itachi;1091802The Android setting has its own identity and is actually pretty good. I recommend for anyone wanting an updated take on the genre.

Right Android is FFC's cyberpunk setting they use now and then. Androud, Android Netrunner and at least one other board game and seems the upcomming RPG. Similar to how they have used the Twilight Imperium setting to retheme the old Dune board game.

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;1091733Ugh. His Twitter feed.

Holy crap, it's like looking to nuclear reactor...
[video=youtube_share;5cmk52YwLQc]https://youtu.be/5cmk52YwLQc[/youtube]

Quote from: Aglondir;1091804Was that actually in there? I couldn't get past the garbage on the KS page.

Yes. I usually go right for quickstarts to see the system, etc. What turned you off on the main page?

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1091827Yes. I usually go right for quickstarts to see the system, etc. What turned you off on the main page?

The game gets off to a great start, even if it sounds more like Babylon 5 than cyberpunk. But my favorite part of B5 was Garibaldi's adventures on Mars, so the initial premise intrigues me. Let's read on:

QuoteIn the shadows cast by the corporations lurk criminal gangs, hate groups, and rogue robots.

Uh... when did cyberpunk become about fighting hate groups?

QuoteThe player characters are Grand Cross citizens, trying to live their everyday lives while fighting for the station's future. They can be street activists, investigative reporters and other professionals, gig economy workers who run errands and hunt bounties to get by, or just here to fight the criminals, corrupt cops, hate groups, and alien androids the Cartel uses as proxies to do their dirty work.

More about fighting hate groups? I guess this is really a big thing in this game.

QuoteCapitalism? No thanks. Good cyberpunk is anti-capitalist. It's about how technology without ethics can make social inequality worse. The wealthy use it to cement their power and perpetuate the status quo, while marginalized communities are kept that way.

This is 90-degrees off. "Tech without ethics" makes everything worse, not just social inequality. And the wealthy want to cement their power over everyone, not just marginalized communities. This focus has me worried.

QuoteBeing a cyborg doesn't make you a stand-in for minorities in general, it's just another axis to your identity.

There's something weird going on with that statement. When did anyone think that cybering up makes you a minority? Usually the theme is that cybering up makes you less than human.

QuoteHard Wired Island is about a group of marginalized people using technology to try to change the status quo.

What exactly does marginalized mean? Can my PC be non-marginalized?

QuoteMany perspectives. Good cyberpunk examines how technology and power intersect in many different communities.

Is does? I think that good cyberpunk explores what it means to be human, the disintegration of government, corporate feudalism, the relationship of memories to identity, treachery and trust, etc.  


I think it's possible to separate creator from content; some less than stellar people have created amazing works. But if I want to have "intrigues on a space station" I have a variety of other options that don't have built-in identity politics. This doesn't look like a cyberpunk game, it looks like "SJW Fantasies in the Near Future."