Quote from: grubmanThis really wasn't supposed to be yet another D6 vs D20 thread, it just seems to me that a lot of fans/players of the D6 system are loosing interest (for whatever reasons) while d20/saga/SWCMG has captured a large audience of older players while newer players probably don't even know about the D6 version.

All I'm saying is that when D20 came out it was a split camp all the way.  Now it seems more like d20/saga has the official spot of being THE Star Wars game to play, while SW D6 takes that honored spot of "has been" games along with many of the other games we all know and love...but don't play anymore.  V&V is my favorite supers game...but I play M&M because it's really a better system, is in print, and I have no problem finding people to play it.  Basic D&D is my favorite version of D&D...but I play 3.5 for the same reason I play M&M.  The list goes on and on.

You answered your own question.

Its all about availability.

One reason FASERIP was never replaced as *the* Marvel game is because, even when SAGA was available, most of the FASERIP books could be downloaded for free.

If D6 books were still reasonably available as even PDF downloads, it could well be a different story.

As new gamers join the hobby, of course they're going to flock to what's readily available...and some of them will decide to look back and see what came before, and try to hunt those up...but most will be happy with the NewAndShiny.

Quote from: RedFoxI think D6's problem was reversed.  It wasn't that the PCs couldn't be as cool as the main characters, it was more that the main characters were over-statted.  The NPC write-ups were really over-generous.  Moreover, they should've given out pre-generated movie character sheets so that you could jump right into the game playing Luke, Han, and company.

To not do that was a real mistake, IMO.  And one that D20 did not correct.

IIRC, Star Wars D20 did have write ups of the main characters, and there was some debate if they could be made in the system legally.  

As for the overstatting, I'd say that's a perfect example of what I'm talking about, with the main characters being far more powerful than any PC could become in a reasonable time.  It enforced the notion that it was the NPCs who were important in the world, not the PCs (and that's leaving aside the feeling that PCs really needed to be built on double the points to be reasonably viable).  The adventure modules I recall looking at also enforced this attitude, with the PCs basically doing support missions (Oh wow, you get to arrange for the delivery of the B-wing.  Joy.).

Quote from: RedFoxI think D6's problem was reversed.  It wasn't that the PCs couldn't be as cool as the main characters, it was more that the main characters were over-statted.  The NPC write-ups were really over-generous.  Moreover, they should've given out pre-generated movie character sheets so that you could jump right into the game playing Luke, Han, and company.

To not do that was a real mistake, IMO.  And one that D20 did not correct.

IIRC, Star Wars D20 did have write ups of the main characters, and there was some debate if they could be made in the system legally.  

As for the overstatting, I'd say that's a perfect example of what I'm talking about, with the main characters being far more powerful than any PC could become in a reasonable time.  It enforced the notion that it was the NPCs who were important in the world, not the PCs (and that's leaving aside the feeling that PCs really needed to be built on double the points to be reasonably viable).  The adventure modules I recall looking at also enforced this attitude, with the PCs basically doing support missions (Oh wow, you get to arrange for the delivery of the B-wing.  Joy.).

Quote from: grubmanOK, I probably worded a few things poorly in this post, so let me clarify.  I'm generalizing when I say things like "but don't play anymore".  I know people still do play Star Wars D6, but like Peter said, they are people who have been playing it for years, NOT new players, new players (generally) play D20 (Star Wars).  Not many of us older players stick around, and D6 was from our generation.  As we fall off the face of the gaming earth games from our generation will become more of a novilty than they already are.

Ok well let me state it this way.   Do I think Star Wars D20 is going to replace Star Wars D6?

Who Knows?

The hurdles that the new version of Star Wars D20 has to overcome is this:

1) The interest kind of slid on Star Wars D20 when WOTC stopped really putting things out for it.  I have heard many complaints about this.  People who played Star Wars D20 got discouraged and started playing other things (Not all Star Wars D20 players, but it sounds like a great deal did).

2) D20 is slowing down as far as whole, people are getting burned out with it and playing other things (don't get me wrong, it's still popular)

3) The last movie came out awhile ago and I think if they had timed the new version around the last movie they would have done really well.   They may sell well, but not as well as if they had released it around the time of the last movie.

4) Star Wars D20 won't replace Star Wars D6 for people like me (and I am not the only one) who do not like D20 and will not play D20.

Only time will tell if it will replace the D6 version and to be honest, why does it need to replace it?

Quote from: Blue Devil3) The last movie came out awhile ago and I think if they had timed the new version around the last movie they would have done really well.   They may sell well, but not as well as if they had released it around the time of the last movie.

Regarding timing...

The book is being released on the thirtieth anniversary of the first film. Lucas has a series of Star Wars celebrations planned for the rest of the month, and I don't doubt that there will be more information about the Star Wars TV show coming during one of the celebrations. Maybe even an announcement of Episode 7.

Quote from: ElectroKittyRegarding timing...

The book is being released on the thirtieth anniversary of the first film. Lucas has a series of Star Wars celebrations planned for the rest of the month, and I don't doubt that there will be more information about the Star Wars TV show coming during one of the celebrations. Maybe even an announcement of Episode 7.

Yeah, you are right about that.  I like the Star Wars Movies but I am not a superfan (like a friend of mine who has the lightsaber, the jedi outfit, etc).

Those are things I didn't really take into consideration.   I stand corrected

Quote from: Blue DevilOnly time will tell if it will replace the D6 version and to be honest, why does it need to replace it?

Just musing, really.  My SO often accuses me of overanalizing things.  I often take a simple thought and ponder it for days....which is why forums are a perfect place for me.:crazy:

I just don't see the point really.  And I don't see it happening.  The crowd over at the Rancor Pit isn't going to stop playing D6 just because saga edition's coming out.  It's not a replacement for D6 in any way that I can tell.  If you dig on D6 you'll still play it.  Heck, I do and will.  I'll probably also buy and play the heck out of saga edition too.  But I'm one of those weirdos who likes both versions (and has run it using Savage Worlds as well!).

I think Grub's saying that he's had time to ponder his thoughts as well as our own.  Am I right Grub?

Quote from: Dr Rotwang!I think Grub's saying that he's had time to ponder his thoughts as well as our own.  Am I right Grub?

Pondering is always more fun with a group...even if half of the ponderies think you're nuts.

Quote from: grubmanJust musing, really.  My SO often accuses me of overanalizing things.  I often take a simple thought and ponder it for days....which is why forums are a perfect place for me.:crazy:

Grubman,

That is a reasonable enough answer.  I was just curious why you were asking this.

If you are just musing then that's fine.

Quote from: RedFoxThe crowd over at the Rancor Pit isn't going to stop playing D6 just because saga edition's coming out.  

Fox,

The folks over at the Rancor pit damn well will stop playing D6 when the Saga system comes out, at least if the game police have any say in it.  There will be kicked down doors, a bonfire of Star Wars D6 books 3 stories high!  People will be roasting marshmellows and singing songs.

Oh wait, there is no game police.

My Bad, Moving on

Burning Star Wars books would be pretty hard to do, anyway. Not many left after three prequels...

Quote from: grubmanJust musing, really.  My SO often accuses me of overanalizing things.  I often take a simple thought and ponder it for days....which is why forums are a perfect place for me.:crazy:

I often use forums and chat rooms as a sort of sounding board, where all I'm really doing is repeating my ideas in text, to help strengthen whatever I thought in the first place.

I think it frustrates the audience sometimes though, especially on #rpgnet, because often times I'll share an idea, so of course people chime in with their thoughts and suggestions, only to have me shoot them all down, because all I'm really doing is help make up my mind, something I often have a hard time with.

The sad/great thing (depending upon your view) of the new edition coming out is going to the be the "edition dump" by the ones who must play what is being published currently.

I say this because I'm sitting on two-three copies of Starships of the Galaxy (I really gotta dump these bitches, any takers?) and can easily get another one in addition to the Arms and Equipment Guide along with two Revised d20 Core books.  The upcoming New Thing is going to glut up the used book market and blow my whole hoarding scheme to pieces.  Thanks WOTC for ruining my kids' future.  Assholes.