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Yup, that's a 2024 rpg cover alright.
Yep. And the only straight white cis gender man (insert harm here) in the pic might be the guy in the back left... but he isn't Starfleet and looks afraid.
Such diversity, so representation
I wasn't going to get it because the system for the first one was clunky and the organization of the book was terrible. Now that I have seen ethnically ambiguous danger hair lesbian and her androgynous girlfriend front and center on the cover, I must buy it or I am a bad person.
Quote from: Vykos on February 27, 2024, 05:33:05 PM
Yep. And the only straight white cis gender man (insert harm here) in the pic might be the guy in the back left... but he isn't Starfleet and looks afraid.
What about the fellow in the TOS movie uniform on the far right? (No pun intended ... but I do note that those films often got derided by Roddenberry for their 'militarism.' :) )
That Enterprise looks like it is from Fallout.
You should watch one of Modiphious' Twitch livestreams. That crew is a 100% accurate depiction of the players.
I politely, and with greatly restrained nerd rage, ask what in the hell happened with those nacelles?
The left one is flat like a Next Generation design and the right one looks like a child tried to draw an oval.
The guy over there in the movie-era uniform looks pretty good.
Huh. Maybe the ship was AI generated?
Quote from: Thornhammer on February 27, 2024, 09:51:39 PM
I politely, and with greatly restrained nerd rage, ask what in the hell happened with those nacelles?
The left one is flat like a Next Generation design and the right one looks like a child tried to draw an oval.
The guy over there in the movie-era uniform looks pretty good.
Huh. Maybe the ship was AI generated?
That's what I thought when I looked at it. maybe not the whole thing, but there's parts that have that look where the AI is just not 'getting it".
Read the article where they say the 1e products are supposed to be fully compatible. I find that is rarely true in practice.
Quote from: HappyDaze on February 27, 2024, 11:13:36 PM
Read the article where they say the 1e products are supposed to be fully compatible. I find that is rarely true in practice.
That new Discovery-era Klingon War sourcebook they just announced like two weeks ago, wonder which edition that will be.
Quote from: Ratman_tf on February 27, 2024, 11:07:03 PM
That's what I thought when I looked at it. maybe not the whole thing, but there's parts that have that look where the AI is just not 'getting it".
The saucer is okay, the neck is off center, the nacelle struts are not symmetric in any possible sense, and the actual nacelles have been covered earlier.
Either that's AI or the artist needs to be shitcanned on the spot. The people do not look off.
"A mix of technologies" I could totally buy, but
FUCKING FIX THIS NONSENSE, MODIPHIUS. All you gotta do is fix the ship!
Not my Star Trek.
Looks like I'll have to put that Savage Worlds Sci-Fi Companion to work when it drops.
While cringy I doubt that's the cover. Hell they apparently sent out two different press releases, one of which fails to highlight 'diversity' at all.
Quote from: hedgehobbit on February 27, 2024, 07:03:01 PM
You should watch one of Modiphious' Twitch livestreams. That crew is a 100% accurate depiction of the players.
Self-inserts all the way down.
Quote from: Thornhammer on February 27, 2024, 09:51:39 PM
Maybe the ship was AI generated?
Ironically doesn't look good enough to be.
Quote from: HappyDaze on February 27, 2024, 11:13:36 PM
Read the article where they say the 1e products are supposed to be fully compatible. I find that is rarely true in practice.
Which is fine by me as if I wanted backwards compatibility I'd just buy the previous edition.
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Quote from: HappyDaze on February 27, 2024, 11:13:36 PM
Read the article where they say the 1e products are supposed to be fully compatible. I find that is rarely true in practice.
Which is fine by me as if I wanted backwards compatibility I'd just buy the previous edition.
I am speaking as someone that has bought much of the current edition. The question of backwards compatibility also influences whether or not I will buy products like the upcoming Klingon War book.
I got the first edition rulebook, and the first adventure module book they published, I haven't really gotten anything else. I love star trek, but I haven't been interested in any of the newer shows, and heck even as much as people say they don't like the jj abrams movies because they aren't real star trek, at the time they came out I watched and enjoyed them, and they have their own merit as pieces of entertainment even if they are just that and not as thought provoking or interesting as the worst parts of TOS.
I don't really see any reason to get anything else from modiphius for STA. I got the miniatures for the TOS bridge crew and TOS away team, my favorite style/setting for the game. I've seen no reason to get things like the engineering book, science book, command book, or other little expansions. Nobody I know is playing the game any more, and there's little to no interest in it. I've been homebrewing my own little sourcebook for a d100/traveller star trek mashup and I think it will probably be much better than STA ever hoped it could be, but we will see.
Not the first rpg with bad covert art I have bought so not a big issue for me.
If they make it easier to learn and run I may buy it. If it is truly backwards compatible even better.
Who is the bald guy supposed to be ? Dr. Who?
Why is "Tasha Yar" holding a briefcase?
Why isn't the TOS-era woman wearing a miniskirt?
What era uniform is the Andorian wearing?
Quote from: Abraxus on February 28, 2024, 09:55:55 PM
Not the first rpg with bad covert art I have bought so not a big issue for me.
If they make it easier to learn and run I may buy it. If it is truly backwards compatible even better.
The cover is an advertisement for the crap that will be inside.
Quote from: Grognard GM on February 29, 2024, 01:14:04 AM
Quote from: Abraxus on February 28, 2024, 09:55:55 PM
Not the first rpg with bad covert art I have bought so not a big issue for me.
If they make it easier to learn and run I may buy it. If it is truly backwards compatible even better.
The cover is an advertisement for the crap that will be inside.
🤷♂️ J'm'en câlice
Sorry but not all of us need to echo the general sentiment of the rest of the posters in this thread.
It's not the perfect system but for me it gets the job done.
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Quote from: Grognard GM on February 29, 2024, 01:14:04 AM
Quote from: Abraxus on February 28, 2024, 09:55:55 PM
Not the first rpg with bad covert art I have bought so not a big issue for me.
If they make it easier to learn and run I may buy it. If it is truly backwards compatible even better.
The cover is an advertisement for the crap that will be inside.
🤷♂️ J'm'en câlice
Sorry but not all of us need to echo the general sentiment of the rest of the posters in this thread.
It's not the perfect system but for me it gets the job done.
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#NotLikeOtherGirls
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Quote from: Abraxus on February 29, 2024, 07:39:53 AM
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That makes no sense in context, but thanks for playing.
I hope they simplify character creation and ship content while minimizing the amount of sourcebooks they rehash. We will see.
I think STA would benefit highly from a traveller-like character creation system where you progress through some life stages/career/training before your character starts adventuring, with options for being outside of starfleet and into things like.. careers in cargo shipping, or the fleet/military of an individual planet (because from what I remember, there's starfleet, but each federation world can also have its own fleet/military), or being from other empires/factions, or being free traders/pirates, or whatever
Quote from: Banjo Destructo on February 29, 2024, 10:18:04 AM
I think STA would benefit highly from a traveller-like character creation system where you progress through some life stages/career/training before your character starts adventuring, with options for being outside of starfleet and into things like.. careers in cargo shipping, or the fleet/military of an individual planet (because from what I remember, there's starfleet, but each federation world can also have its own fleet/military), or being from other empires/factions, or being free traders/pirates, or whatever
The old FASA Star Trek game worked this way. You'd randomly see what happens in your Cadet Cruise then roll to see where you ended up. It was all Star Fleet although you could end up in Merchant Marines or Research, or even teaching at the Academy.
Want to say LUG's run at Trek had a similar "lifepath," sort of thing; it's been a bit since I cracked those books open.
Quote from: Banjo Destructo on February 29, 2024, 10:18:04 AM
I think STA would benefit highly from a traveller-like character creation system where you progress through some life stages/career/training before your character starts adventuring, with options for being outside of starfleet and into things like.. careers in cargo shipping, or the fleet/military of an individual planet (because from what I remember, there's starfleet, but each federation world can also have its own fleet/military), or being from other empires/factions, or being free traders/pirates, or whatever
STA 1e has a lifepath system, but it's highly Starfleet-specific (or Klingon-specific if you have that book) and consists mostly of set stages and only two random (if you like, or you can select) events per character.
What the game really needs in 2e is a better way to advance characters. Not everyone likes the 1e method of generating characters that barely change (numerically, you can change your narrative "values" more often) over the course of a five-year mission.
I'll pass. I've been a trekkie most of my life (at least until STD and Picard premiered) but I still kept supporting Modiphius' game after that until they ran a sale to raise money for the BLM bail funds during the height of the riots.
Quote from: RNGm on March 01, 2024, 05:20:00 PM
I'll pass. I've been a trekkie most of my life (at least until STD and Picard premiered) but I still kept supporting Modiphius' game after that until they ran a sale to raise money for the BLM bail funds during the height of the riots.
Thanks for the info. Course corrections laid in.
Quote from: Vykos on February 27, 2024, 05:33:05 PM
Yep. And the only straight white cis gender man (insert harm here) in the pic might be the guy in the back left... but he isn't Starfleet and looks afraid.
...or on the right in the 'Wrath of Khan'-style uniform....
- Ed C.
Quote from: Aglondir on February 28, 2024, 11:08:51 PM
Why isn't the TOS-era woman wearing a miniskirt?
...becaquse she is wearing a "Strange New Worlds" version of the strarfleet uniform.
Thats why.
- Ed C.
Quote from: Koltar on March 02, 2024, 12:52:44 AM
Quote from: Aglondir on February 28, 2024, 11:08:51 PM
Why isn't the TOS-era woman wearing a miniskirt?
...becaquse she is wearing a "Strange New Worlds" version of the strarfleet uniform.
Thats why.
Though Captain Pike's crew didn't have miniskirts in the original series, either, as portrayed in "The Cage".
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So Strange New Worlds is in this respect being consistent with the original. The uniforms for the Strange New Worlds series are different than both "The Cage" and the original series, but they're at least close.
Quote from: Koltar on March 02, 2024, 12:52:44 AM
Quote from: Aglondir on February 28, 2024, 11:08:51 PM
Why isn't the TOS-era woman wearing a miniskirt?
...becaquse she is wearing a "Strange New Worlds" version of the strarfleet uniform.
Thats why.
- Ed C.
Yeah, I think you're right. The sleeve rank and the neckline don't match a female TOS duty uniform. I assumed they were going for one uniform from each era.
I like this art less the more I look at it. Hopefully it's just a placeholder.
Bring back the Skant!
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Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 02, 2024, 04:58:03 AM
Bring back the Skant!
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Quote from: Koltar on March 02, 2024, 12:52:44 AM
Quote from: Aglondir on February 28, 2024, 11:08:51 PM
Why isn't the TOS-era woman wearing a miniskirt?
...becaquse she is wearing a "Strange New Worlds" version of the strarfleet uniform.
Thats why.
- Ed C.
I think the kneeling woman is wearing a TOS-style Sciences division uniform.
Quote from: tenbones on February 28, 2024, 12:03:06 AM
Not my Star Trek.
Looks like I'll have to put that Savage Worlds Sci-Fi Companion to work when it drops.
Okay, what the Hell 'IS"
your "Star Trek" then?
I Don't like the Modiphius game mechanics at al - but I DO love "Star Trek" in just about all versions.
The Modiphius artwork I often find useful to illustrate things in my RPG campaign.
I have NO 'Nerd Rage' or outrage about that cover in any way....
- Ed C.
Quote from: Koltar on March 02, 2024, 10:55:20 AM
Okay, what the Hell 'IS" your "Star Trek" then?
I Don't like the Modiphius game mechanics at al - but I DO love "Star Trek" in just about all versions.
The Modiphius artwork I often find useful to illustrate things in my RPG campaign.
Modiphius is frustrating. Their system is terrible, but their production values are fantastic.
I don't think there has been a better Star Trek RPG than the Last Unicorn Games version, but I have to say I played in a LUG Star Trek campaign back in the day and it was not great, even though the GM was really good.
Quote from: Aglondir on March 01, 2024, 05:54:01 PM
Quote from: RNGm on March 01, 2024, 05:20:00 PM
I'll pass. I've been a trekkie most of my life (at least until STD and Picard premiered) but I still kept supporting Modiphius' game after that until they ran a sale to raise money for the BLM bail funds during the height of the riots.
Thanks for the info. Course corrections laid in.
Glad to help. And, yeah, I was very disappointed since my old neighborhood had just been rioted through weeks earlier and would be again a few weeks later. Also, just to clarify, they ran multiple sales/humble bundles to benefit rioter bail funds over the course of the next year encompassing the fiery but supposedly mostly peaceful "summer of love" so it wasn't a one-off mistake on their part not knowing what they were directly supporting.
If I were to run a Trek game again, I would seriously consider Far Trek, a free rules-lite PDF located here:
https://fartrekrpg.blogspot.com/
It's for the TOS era. After all of the recent Trek-drek, going back to TOS taps into the same sense of wonder as the OSR.
Quote from: Koltar on March 02, 2024, 10:55:20 AM
Quote from: tenbones on February 28, 2024, 12:03:06 AM
Not my Star Trek.
Looks like I'll have to put that Savage Worlds Sci-Fi Companion to work when it drops.
Okay, what the Hell 'IS" your "Star Trek" then?
I Don't like the Modiphius game mechanics at al - but I DO love "Star Trek" in just about all versions.
The Modiphius artwork I often find useful to illustrate things in my RPG campaign.
I have NO 'Nerd Rage' or outrage about that cover in any way....
- Ed C.
For a lot of fans, Trek ended with either Voyager or Enterprise. Enterprise was certainly the last time anything labelled Star Trek didn't have to vary from canon by a substantial margin for actual legal reasons.
I can tell you're very proud of consuming anything with the name Star Trek slapped on. You probably consider that to make you a better, or more loyal fan. But a lot of us consider discernment to be the sign of a fan.
That cover!!! LOL. Modiphius are really a pathetic bunch who need a tasty dose of "go woke, go broke"
The best Star Trek campaign I ever played used the old Buffy RPG system. Rules light with very cool chargen that made it really fun to play secondary PCs.
Though, I doubt I'd ever run any ST again since the IP has become such a laughable SJW shitshow and thus, the player base who would show up for the game would most likely be retarded.
That said, Far Trek with the right group might be fun. I'd have it take place in the original Star Trek Animated Series universe.
One of the things that set the FASA Star Trek RPG apart from others is their large list of adventures. I have some of Modiphius' adventures for their Fallout game and they aren't bad. So I thought I'd check out their Star Trek adventures to see how they stack up.
Here's the synopsis for the first adventure I looked at:
Starfleet has given your crew instructions to perform a long-overdue maintenance overhaul on Subspace Relay Station 2103. The situation becomes complicated (of course it does) when the maintenance team discovers that a malfunction has caused the transmission of classified signals that could have been intercepted by the cultures of a nearby planet.
Shawan II is home to a pre-warp humanoid civilization at a late 20th-century Earth level that appears to have made a pop-culture phenomenon out of the potentially classified Starfleet data (great idea, wish I'd thought of it). The crew of your ship must ensure that the leaked data doesn't compromise Starfleet in any way. Someone's going to have to go down to the planet but the senior crew could be recognised by fans of the Starfleet transmissions. So it falls to some intrepid and ingenious ensigns to sneak onto the planet, engage with fans and critics at a convention, and sort this mess out (what could possibly go wrong??).
I guess this adventures is of the "fun" type like D&D's prom adventures. But as it's based on the Lower Decks series, it is fascinating to see how the 1973 Star Trek cartoon for kids was significantly more adult than the adult cartoons of today.
Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 02, 2024, 04:58:03 AM
Bring back the Skant!
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I have advocated for this by my wife told me I'd look ridiculous.
Quote from: Brad on March 03, 2024, 03:03:11 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 02, 2024, 04:58:03 AM
Bring back the Skant!
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I have advocated for this by my wife told me I'd look ridiculous.
She's probably just afraid of how attractive you'd look.
Quote from: hedgehobbit on March 03, 2024, 01:39:58 PM
One of the things that set the FASA Star Trek RPG apart from others is their large list of adventures. I have some of Modiphius' adventures for their Fallout game and they aren't bad. So I thought I'd check out their Star Trek adventures to see how they stack up.
Here's the synopsis for the first adventure I looked at:
Starfleet has given your crew instructions to perform a long-overdue maintenance overhaul on Subspace Relay Station 2103. The situation becomes complicated (of course it does) when the maintenance team discovers that a malfunction has caused the transmission of classified signals that could have been intercepted by the cultures of a nearby planet.
Shawan II is home to a pre-warp humanoid civilization at a late 20th-century Earth level that appears to have made a pop-culture phenomenon out of the potentially classified Starfleet data (great idea, wish I'd thought of it). The crew of your ship must ensure that the leaked data doesn't compromise Starfleet in any way. Someone's going to have to go down to the planet but the senior crew could be recognised by fans of the Starfleet transmissions. So it falls to some intrepid and ingenious ensigns to sneak onto the planet, engage with fans and critics at a convention, and sort this mess out (what could possibly go wrong??).
I guess this adventures is of the "fun" type like D&D's prom adventures. But as it's based on the Lower Decks series, it is fascinating to see how the 1973 Star Trek cartoon for kids was significantly more adult than the adult cartoons of today.
Props where it's due. That sounds like a great ST episode setup. I'd play it.
Quote from: Danger on February 29, 2024, 09:20:16 PM
Want to say LUG's run at Trek had a similar "lifepath," sort of thing; it's been a bit since I cracked those books open.
LUG version is still my go-to for Star Trek.
Unless I'm doing pure space combat, then it is a tie between FASA and SFB.
Quote from: Koltar on March 02, 2024, 10:55:20 AM
Quote from: tenbones on February 28, 2024, 12:03:06 AM
Not my Star Trek.
Looks like I'll have to put that Savage Worlds Sci-Fi Companion to work when it drops.
Okay, what the Hell 'IS" your "Star Trek" then?
I Don't like the Modiphius game mechanics at al - but I DO love "Star Trek" in just about all versions.
The Modiphius artwork I often find useful to illustrate things in my RPG campaign.
I have NO 'Nerd Rage' or outrage about that cover in any way....
- Ed C.
My Star Trek is anything between the Original Series and Enterprise. I do not acknowledge any of the modern silliness, including Picard. I do not have "rage" over the cover. I laugh at it. It looks dumb for the same reasons that modern Star Trek is dumb, as is Star Wars, as is Marvel Comics, as is DC Comics, as are the movies relating to those properties, etc. etc. Take of that what you will.
I'm also not a fan of Modphius system.
Quote from: Thor's Nads on March 02, 2024, 11:21:09 AM
Quote from: Koltar on March 02, 2024, 10:55:20 AM
Okay, what the Hell 'IS" your "Star Trek" then?
I Don't like the Modiphius game mechanics at al - but I DO love "Star Trek" in just about all versions.
The Modiphius artwork I often find useful to illustrate things in my RPG campaign.
Modiphius is frustrating. Their system is terrible, but their production values are fantastic.
I don't think there has been a better Star Trek RPG than the Last Unicorn Games version, but I have to say I played in a LUG Star Trek campaign back in the day and it was not great, even though the GM was really good.
About the production values. I will say the one thing I didn't like the most about the core rule book was that they basically took the TNG computer-screen style of art and made the entire rulebook look like that. I just think the colors and art style didn't work for a game rulebook, but that's my personal taste. I can tell it took them a fair amount of work so its not like they were lazy about it, but I think they put a lot of energy into something that doesn't look good.
Quote from: Banjo Destructo on March 04, 2024, 01:37:50 PMAbout the production values. I will say the one thing I didn't like the most about the core rule book was that they basically took the TNG computer-screen style of art and made the entire rulebook look like that. I just think the colors and art style didn't work for a game rulebook, but that's my personal taste.
I know what you mean but I didn't find it too distracting. The Original Series version of the game book has a much more minimalist layout. I'll just add that anyone getting into LugTrek should be sure to download the extra gamebooks that the author released right before they lost the license. It was the complete starship construction system and a few ship recognition books.
http://stevenslong.squarespace.com/star-trek-rpg-free-supplements/
Quote from: hedgehobbit on March 04, 2024, 04:10:52 PM
Quote from: Banjo Destructo on March 04, 2024, 01:37:50 PMAbout the production values. I will say the one thing I didn't like the most about the core rule book was that they basically took the TNG computer-screen style of art and made the entire rulebook look like that. I just think the colors and art style didn't work for a game rulebook, but that's my personal taste.
I know what you mean but I didn't find it too distracting. The Original Series version of the game book has a much more minimalist layout. I'll just add that anyone getting into LugTrek should be sure to download the extra gamebooks that the author released right before they lost the license. It was the complete starship construction system and a few ship recognition books.
http://stevenslong.squarespace.com/star-trek-rpg-free-supplements/
They made a TOS version of the main rulebook? I would have gotten that version if I had known about it.
It's hard to find an extremely expensive in the used market if you want an orint edition.