I bought Planescape Campaign and in The Cage, as well as the Dawn of the Emperors and Karameikos PODs.

Quote from: sureshot on February 12, 2021, 09:48:59 AM
Honestly that annoying but more importantly hypocritical disclaimer bothered me at first. Now I don't think about it. It's either not buy and buy the same material at truly rip-off outrageous prices or get them cheaper. I choose the second.

My take on it is that it's slapped on for the idiots who never actually read the books, and likely won't since they're more interested in ideology than the issues they're ideologizing on.

A better way to write that disclaimer would be to say "the authors of these books were inspired to write  these settings based on certain topics such as martial arts movies, and may not have considered the ways in which their works could be taken as racist. The reader is invited to read the material and judge how appropriate it is for their own campaign, as well as how the material could be reworked if such is deemed necessary."
Since I'm sure that, say, Oriental Adventures was inspired by "OMG martial arts movies are so cool and would make a wonderful setting that we can geek out over!" without considering how others, 25 years later, might think about it.

Quote from: Jame Rowe on March 25, 2021, 08:21:54 PM
I bought Planescape Campaign and in The Cage, as well as the Dawn of the Emperors and Karameikos PODs.

Quote from: sureshot on February 12, 2021, 09:48:59 AM
Honestly that annoying but more importantly hypocritical disclaimer bothered me at first. Now I don't think about it. It's either not buy and buy the same material at truly rip-off outrageous prices or get them cheaper. I choose the second.

My take on it is that it's slapped on for the idiots who never actually read the books, and likely won't since they're more interested in ideology than the issues they're ideologizing on.

A better way to write that disclaimer would be to say "the authors of these books were inspired to write  these settings based on certain topics such as martial arts movies, and may not have considered the ways in which their works could be taken as racist. The reader is invited to read the material and judge how appropriate it is for their own campaign, as well as how the material could be reworked if such is deemed necessary."
Since I'm sure that, say, Oriental Adventures was inspired by "OMG martial arts movies are so cool and would make a wonderful setting that we can geek out over!" without considering how others, 25 years later, might think about it.

I'd prefer if the disclaimer said "Ping pong ching chong! You likee Orienta Adventa! You buy now!" And weed out all the regressive dickheads.
But we can't always get what we want.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 25, 2021, 08:24:20 PM
I'd prefer if the disclaimer said "Ping pong ching chong! You likee Orienta Adventa! You buy now!" And weed out all the regressive dickheads.
But we can't always get what we want.

Yes, because that's something a reasonable person wants.

And you're a person, aren't you?

Quote from: Jame Rowe on March 25, 2021, 08:26:44 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 25, 2021, 08:24:20 PM
I'd prefer if the disclaimer said "Ping pong ching chong! You likee Orienta Adventa! You buy now!" And weed out all the regressive dickheads.
But we can't always get what we want.

Yes, because that's something a reasonable person wants.

And you're a person, aren't you?

Resonable was taken out back and shot a few years ago.

And the jury's still out on that last question.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 25, 2021, 08:24:20 PM
I'd prefer if the disclaimer said "Ping pong ching chong! You likee Orienta Adventa! You buy now!" And weed out all the regressive dickheads.
But we can't always get what we want.

I would have gone with the classic: Oriental Adventures loves you long time.

The better disclaimer would be "Asians were consulted in the creation of this book and we think thats wacist because we are morons!"

To be a bit more serious and maybe productive. There should not be any disclaimers. The whole idea is that WOTC still likes your money, but the wokies want you to know that if you buy those old, problematic TSR products, that they're glaring at you from their citadel in Seattle. Fuck 'em right in the ear.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 26, 2021, 03:03:31 AM
To be a bit more serious and maybe productive. There should not be any disclaimers. The whole idea is that WOTC still likes your money, but the wokies want you to know that if you buy those old, problematic TSR products, that they're glaring at you from their citadel in Seattle. Fuck 'em right in the ear.

Now we're getting somewhere. This, I agree with. The being productive part, that is.
WotC is only putting up disclaimers because a few idiots are making noise. They should just say "read the book and then think before speaking.

Quote from: Shasarak on March 26, 2021, 12:33:25 AM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 25, 2021, 08:24:20 PM
I'd prefer if the disclaimer said "Ping pong ching chong! You likee Orienta Adventa! You buy now!" And weed out all the regressive dickheads.
But we can't always get what we want.

I would have gone with the classic: Oriental Adventures loves you long time.

Pretty sure for me it'd be the classic movie quote:  Tou beaucoup

Quote from: Jame Rowe on March 26, 2021, 09:03:13 AM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 26, 2021, 03:03:31 AM
To be a bit more serious and maybe productive. There should not be any disclaimers. The whole idea is that WOTC still likes your money, but the wokies want you to know that if you buy those old, problematic TSR products, that they're glaring at you from their citadel in Seattle. Fuck 'em right in the ear.

Now we're getting somewhere. This, I agree with. The being productive part, that is.
WotC is only putting up disclaimers because a few idiots are making noise. They should just say "read the book and then think before speaking.

Considering the political climate of the Seattle area (I live here and have first hand experience) I think a lot of the noisy idiots are working at WOTC.

I finally (fuck UPS... 3 weeks delay in the warehouse) received the Eberron High Quality hardcover and the Masque o/t Red Death standard softcover.

The Eberron print quality would have been top, but someone decided to throw a blurry grey watermark on each and every page, making it hard to read.
As with all previously ordered hardcovers, the corners were dented, despite the double cardboard packaging.

The MRD print quality looks like printed on a home inkjet, and then left in a damp room; the text is very fuzzy (the paper quality and binding look solid enough).

So in conclusion, I will use DTRPG PoD only in the direst of circumstances in the future.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 26, 2021, 01:51:35 PM
Considering the political climate of the Seattle area (I live here and have first hand experience) I think a lot of the noisy idiots are working at WOTC.

   I've never been farther west than the Black Hills, but everything I've heard about Seattle and WotC agrees with this. The barbarians are not only inside the gates, they built the castle.

Yeah sounds like standard outsourcing variations in print. Either that or they have really cut back the quality.

If a book came with every page ruined by some watermark I'd be wanting my cash back.

Well, it's not really a 'watermark'; it's like a faux vellum & stain background, to make the book look more... antique? But blue-grey.

Ahh, like that damn speckling background WW used in about every other chapter of the d20 GW books. Dark speckling no less. Some of the speckles nearly the size of the font so you can see where this was going. Or more like NOT see.