Quote from: Spooky on April 14, 2025, 02:56:57 AMI had to monkey with T2K 2.0 SO much to get it to work in a campaign I ran with it.

Which version are you talking about? The current Free League version, or the GDW version (d10-based)?

Quote from: HappyDaze on April 14, 2025, 10:18:32 AM

Quote from: Spooky on April 14, 2025, 02:56:57 AMI had to monkey with T2K 2.0 SO much to get it to work in a campaign I ran with it.

Which version are you talking about? The current Free League version, or the GDW version (d10-based)?

2.0 D10 GDW. 2.2 switched to D20s for resolution.

Re: free league. I would NEVER play a game by a European designer, especially a remake of a classic American game by one of the quintessential American game designers and companies. It's wrong.

Man just ran my PCSACS LAPD scenario tonight. A LOT of fun...

Decemeber 1991, Los Angeles..

"2:11 in progress at the Wells Fargo Bank on West Blvd"
"This is Officer Axly. I'm just pulling in near the Wells Fargo to get some fresh donuts, but my partner called in sick today, I'm on my own!"
"Backup is on the way, but it's gridlock out there. Could be some time. Good luck Axly. Over."

Having smashed the window and unlocked the door of the Lincoln, O'Reilly put it in neutral and tried to roll it as mobile cover. Unfortunately for him the wheels were oriented right and the car rolled in the opposite direction to what he had intended, exposing him instead of providing cover.

Officer Axly moved between cars and engaged O'Reilly while dodging the automatic fire from the bandit's Ingram MAC-10 in .45 ACP. Axly expended 8 rounds to cover himself and force O'Reilly to duck for cover. He then moved laterally to get a good shot and put 3x 9mm bullets into O'Reilly's lower body. O'Reilly was incapacitated and became unconscious.

Axley cuffed him to the Lincoln's steering wheel and went to get his donut order. Upon returning and in between chews he called in an ambulance. The ambulance arrived before O'Reilly bled out.

O'Reilly recovered in 25 days at Cedars-Sinai then had his court date. The judge sentenced him to 20 years minimum for bank robbery, attempted murder of a police officer, vandalism, grand theft auto and discharging an unregistered automatic weapon in a public place.

He's due to be released in 2011.

Officer Axly received a medal for bravery and returned home to his wife and mother in law.

Axly VPs: 5, O'Reilly VPs: 0

From what I know playing vidya, you often want more powerful ammunition over a weak gun that just sprays thin bullets, but your ability to aim does factor into this.

Quote from: Spooky on April 14, 2025, 10:45:10 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze on April 14, 2025, 10:18:32 AM

Quote from: Spooky on April 14, 2025, 02:56:57 AMI had to monkey with T2K 2.0 SO much to get it to work in a campaign I ran with it.

Which version are you talking about? The current Free League version, or the GDW version (d10-based)?

2.0 D10 GDW. 2.2 switched to D20s for resolution.

Re: free league. I would NEVER play a game by a European designer, especially a remake of a classic American game by one of the quintessential American game designers and companies. It's wrong.

The mechanics are toned down but still usable and the playing tiles are beautiful. The rulebooks are somewhat disappointing in quality but it's a package deal. Twilight 2k really should be crunchier, though. I actually did do an Amazon return on Free League's Forbidden Lands. Beautiful box with relatively nothing in it. People were talking like it was the next D&D so I picked it up cheap, opened it, and was so disappointed that I asked if I could send it back and they said yes. A map with stickers? Fully narrative? Everyone told me it had amazing survival and crafting rules, but you had to get an expansion just to get a few lines of rules for dealing with snow. Very, very disappointed with that one. Probably the most hyped RPG that let me down. I don't think I've ever returned any other RPG before.

Quote from: Spooky on April 14, 2025, 10:45:10 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze on April 14, 2025, 10:18:32 AM

Quote from: Spooky on April 14, 2025, 02:56:57 AMI had to monkey with T2K 2.0 SO much to get it to work in a campaign I ran with it.

Which version are you talking about? The current Free League version, or the GDW version (d10-based)?

2.0 D10 GDW. 2.2 switched to D20s for resolution.

Re: free league. I would NEVER play a game by a European designer, especially a remake of a classic American game by one of the quintessential American game designers and companies. It's wrong.

I have the Free League version and a few of its expansion. It's got some nice stuff in it, particularly the new material about fighting after the war in Sweden, so here the Euro designer part is likely a benefit. I don't see the wrongness in it that you do, but to each their own.

Quote from: Spooky on April 14, 2025, 10:03:51 AM

Quote from: Fheredin on April 14, 2025, 07:55:59 AMIn all seriousness, though, high quality modern 9mm has most of the effect of .45 because the bullets have been optimized.

I've heard this a lot about "modern ammo". I haven't see any evidence that 9mm produced now vs say the '60s is any better. And if this "optimisation" is true for modern 9mm loads, why hasn't modern .45 also been "optimised"? Why are the assumed improvements in "optimised" 9mm" greater than "optimised" .45? Why does 9mm overtake .45?

Does anyone have any evidence about what specifically is done to "modern" ammo to "optimise" it?

I can give you solid data as to why M855 outperforms M193 in penetration because the rounds are actually constructed differently - the M855 has a harder tip integrated.

I never said 9mm outperforms .45 because that would overstate things. But what has happened is that because 9mm is a widely used self-defense and law enforcement round, it has seen a lot of research, and hollow point performance for higher end 9mm rounds are quite comparable to the equivalent .45 ACP.

Lucky Gunner actually has tested that stuff out. I advise comparing within a brand if possible.

The bottom line is that 9mm has comparable penetration, good expansion, and usually slightly higher muzzle velocity, so there really isn't that much difference in total energy. .45 ACP can expand more because it is a physically larger bullet, so it arguably still has slightly better stopping power, but this is typically not worth the ammunition capacity tradeoff when no handgun will actually have good stopping power.

That's why there is 10mm, has basically the ammo capacity of 9mm but hits much harder than the .45

Quote from: JeremyR on April 14, 2025, 08:07:57 PMThat's why there is 10mm, has basically the ammo capacity of 9mm but hits much harder than the .45

That's pure government propaganda and you know it. 45ACP has been ordained by God Himself as the superior auto cartridge, no matter what the 10mm aficionados say.

In all honesty I don't like the 10mm I have for fun shooting, but the massively increased ammo capacity over my 1911 makes it my night defense weapon. Plus it was free so that's even better.

^ Love it. 10mm sounds like a commie plot to me too.

Quote from: D-ko on April 14, 2025, 11:10:09 AM

Quote from: Spooky on April 14, 2025, 10:45:10 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze on April 14, 2025, 10:18:32 AM

Quote from: Spooky on April 14, 2025, 02:56:57 AMI had to monkey with T2K 2.0 SO much to get it to work in a campaign I ran with it.

Which version are you talking about? The current Free League version, or the GDW version (d10-based)?

2.0 D10 GDW. 2.2 switched to D20s for resolution.

Re: free league. I would NEVER play a game by a European designer, especially a remake of a classic American game by one of the quintessential American game designers and companies. It's wrong.

The mechanics are toned down but still usable and the playing tiles are beautiful. The rulebooks are somewhat disappointing in quality but it's a package deal. Twilight 2k really should be crunchier, though. I actually did do an Amazon return on Free League's Forbidden Lands. Beautiful box with relatively nothing in it. People were talking like it was the next D&D so I picked it up cheap, opened it, and was so disappointed that I asked if I could send it back and they said yes. A map with stickers? Fully narrative? Everyone told me it had amazing survival and crafting rules, but you had to get an expansion just to get a few lines of rules for dealing with snow. Very, very disappointed with that one. Probably the most hyped RPG that let me down. I don't think I've ever returned any other RPG before.

I don't know why I hate free league more - euroness or modernity?