So Greg Gillespie of Barrowmaze, Archaia & Highfell fame is about to release his newest megadungeon--a dwarf themed one called Dwarrowdeep. In a recent update he included the following statement:
"If you enjoy an adventure steeped in the history and lore of the game, medieval fantasy, dwarves, and Anglo-Saxon history - and devoid of woke nonsense - this will be right up your alley."
This hilariously sparked outrage from SJWs and pronoun choosers as they decried him as Fascist (of course), etc. for his use of the term "woke nonsense" and his policy of keeping his products devoid of unnecessary contemporary politics or culture war references.
So Greg clarified what he meant by "woke non-sense," saying: "A project that puts good gaming and solid dungeon crawling first and does not espouse a heavy handed politic."
This triggered some folks even more. So Greg clarified further:
1. That this project kicks ass.
2. That despite a myriad of setbacks I'm ahead of schedule.
3. That I take the responsibility people entrust in me seriously and that I won't allow failure.
4. You can expect an early delivery.
Thank you for your comments.
If you would prefer to back ideological-driven projects in the future, please do so."
This provoked some to cancel their pledges, though others fully supported Greg. Ridiculous just how unhinged some people have become and how easily triggered they are.
Link?
This sounds like a KS worth supporting.
Quote from: Spinachcat on May 25, 2022, 02:50:56 AM
Link?
This sounds like a KS worth supporting.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/843284272/barrowmaze-dwarrowdeep-osr-and-5e/posts/3510328
Quote from: Spinachcat on May 25, 2022, 02:50:56 AM
Link?
This sounds like a KS worth supporting.
Greetings!
Damn straight, brother!
I just wrote the author--Mr. Gillespie. I fully intend to purchase a book and support his project. I am also considering providing additional support to counterbalance any project cancellations from the crybaby woke activists. ;D
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: Persimmon on May 25, 2022, 12:46:26 AM
So Greg clarified what he meant by "woke non-sense," saying: "A project that puts good gaming and solid dungeon crawling first and does not espouse a heavy handed politic."
Hats off to that man for common sense prevailing.
Personally, I find dungeon crawls extremely tedious. However, I will throw money at him just to support the cause.
We're finally starting to turn this ship around. Feels pretty fucking good, but let's not get lazy. A few satisfying wins is exactly when we need to turn up the heat and CRUSH our enemies!
FYI--
I own all of Gillespie's previous megadungeons, which are still available via drivethrurpg and my players have enjoyed all of them. Each comes with a starting village, hex map region, pregens, rival adventuring companies, etc., including tons of old-school illustrations by artists like Erol Otus & Peter Mullen in the vein of Tomb of Horrors. Apparently the long-term plan is to publish six (the current one being 4th) that will link together in a campaign setting.
He's also in the process of putting together an omnibus Monster Manual for all the adventures since each one has dozens of new (or adapted) monsters. So far all of them have been for Labyrinth Lord, but I hear he's going to produce his own retroclone that sounds a lot like Swords & Wizardry (basically modified 0.5e) so it will still all be broadly OSR compatible.
As for Greg himself, he is a college professor (like me) who specializes in the history of rpgs and 19th century Canadian history. He is Canadian & teaches in Canada. Nice to see him staying out of the liberal morass that subsumes most of academia these days.
Quote from: Persimmon on May 25, 2022, 12:46:26 AM
"If you enjoy an adventure steeped in the history and lore of the game, medieval fantasy, dwarves, and Anglo-Saxon history - and devoid of woke nonsense - this will be right up your alley."
This hilariously sparked outrage from SJWs and pronoun choosers as they decried him as Fascist (of course), etc. for his use of the term "woke nonsense" and his policy of keeping his products devoid of unnecessary contemporary politics or culture war references.
Didn't someone on here ask the question about what would happen if you created an RPG and called in "Non Woke"?
Guess we know what happens. Snowflakes will get offended
Quote from: GhostNinja on May 25, 2022, 10:18:12 AM
Didn't someone on here ask the question about what would happen if you created an RPG and called in "Non Woke"?
Guess we know what happens. Snowflakes will get offended
Yes, and you're not wrong to point it out, as I was one of the people who thought it would have no effect. To be fair though, if Gillespie had just made this statement and SJWs had just ignored it, there wouldn't be much of an issue. That they (predictably) flipped out over his innocuous statement is what has
made it an issue. I own Barrowmaze and like it, but I wasn't going to buy Dwarrowdelf simply because I don't need another megadungeon. Gillespie's statement that it's non-woke would not have affected my decision to buy -- the fact that SJWS call him a Fascist and shit like that most definitely
has affected my decision though, as I get a warm inner glow from doing things I know SJWs would disapprove of.
A good analogy might be the Chik-Fil-A thing from a few years ago. Their business spiked after liberals boycotted it over Dan Cathy's comments on homosexuality. Conservatives (and other non-political people sick of SJWs) didn't run and buy more Chik-Fil-A because they were cheering on his comments, even if they maybe agreed with them; they bought more Chik-Fil-A because liberals boycotted the chain and made conservatives angry enough to counter the boycott.
Greg's a legitimately good person (met him at NTRPG one year and have kept in touch since), and makes damn good adventures. I was going to be buying this anyway, but knowing that doing so will piss off idiots makes it all the more awesome. :D
Quote from: I on May 25, 2022, 11:19:44 AM
Yes, and you're not wrong to point it out, as I was one of the people who thought it would have no effect. To be fair though, if Gillespie had just made this statement and SJWs had just ignored it, there wouldn't be much of an issue. That they (predictably) flipped out over his innocuous statement is what has made it an issue. I own Barrowmaze and like it, but I wasn't going to buy Dwarrowdelf simply because I don't need another megadungeon. Gillespie's statement that it's non-woke would not have affected my decision to buy -- the fact that SJWS call him a Fascist and shit like that most definitely has affected my decision though, as I get a warm inner glow from doing things I know SJWs would disapprove of.
I have to admit, when I read that thread I knew if someone did that, the SJW's would be outraged because snowflakes have to be snowflakes. It's about time people push back on the SJW nonsense and it ends.
It annoys me to no end how people yell "Fascist" but don't know what the word means and how to use it correctly. That's true of many words in the English language. People are proving the movie Ideocracy correct.
Quote from: I on May 25, 2022, 11:19:44 AMA good analogy might be the Chik-Fil-A thing from a few years ago. Their business spiked after liberals boycotted it over Dan Cathy's comments on homosexuality. Conservatives (and other non-political people sick of SJWs) didn't run and buy more Chik-Fil-A because they were cheering on his comments, even if they maybe agreed with them; they bought more Chik-Fil-A because liberals boycotted the chain and made conservatives angry enough to counter the boycott.
Yes, people threaten to boycott but the truth is, it doesn't work. And its not just Liberals, Conservatives do too. The fact of the matter is, their protests usually never work because too few actually boycott and like Chik-Fil-A, the other side makes up for the few people who boycott.
Many times, the people who say they will boycott do it online to look good and Virtue Signal, but still go to the places they say they are boycotting anyway.
Quote from: Mithgarthr on May 25, 2022, 11:49:43 AM
Greg's a legitimately good person (met him at NTRPG one year and have kept in touch since), and makes damn good adventures. I was going to be buying this anyway, but knowing that doing so will piss off idiots makes it all the more awesome. :D
I might buy it even if I don't use it just to make the SJW's complaining mad and even suggest recommending it to your gamer friends to give him even more sales and make the SJW protests pointless.
Quote from: I on May 25, 2022, 11:19:44 AM
Quote from: GhostNinja on May 25, 2022, 10:18:12 AM
Didn't someone on here ask the question about what would happen if you created an RPG and called in "Non Woke"?
Guess we know what happens. Snowflakes will get offended
Yes, and you're not wrong to point it out, as I was one of the people who thought it would have no effect. To be fair though, if Gillespie had just made this statement and SJWs had just ignored it, there wouldn't be much of an issue. That they (predictably) flipped out over his innocuous statement is what has made it an issue. I own Barrowmaze and like it, but I wasn't going to buy Dwarrowdelf simply because I don't need another megadungeon. Gillespie's statement that it's non-woke would not have affected my decision to buy -- the fact that SJWS call him a Fascist and shit like that most definitely has affected my decision though, as I get a warm inner glow from doing things I know SJWs would disapprove of.
A good analogy might be the Chik-Fil-A thing from a few years ago. Their business spiked after liberals boycotted it over Dan Cathy's comments on homosexuality. Conservatives (and other non-political people sick of SJWs) didn't run and buy more Chik-Fil-A because they were cheering on his comments, even if they maybe agreed with them; they bought more Chik-Fil-A because liberals boycotted the chain and made conservatives angry enough to counter the boycott.
Yeah, he made some horrific comments....like he felt marriage was between a man and a woman, shocking for a man who loses hundreds of millions every year being closed on Sundays. I would not say the boycott was countered unless you mean like a KO punch or riposte through the heart countered. The business at Chik fil a for a few weeks around that incident was astounding. Make me laugh aloud.
Quote from: oggsmash on May 25, 2022, 01:19:07 PM
Yeah, he made some horrific comments....like he felt marriage was between a man and a woman, shocking for a man who loses hundreds of millions every year being closed on Sundays. I would not say the boycott was countered unless you mean like a KO punch or riposte through the heart countered. The business at Chik fil a for a few weeks around that incident was astounding. Make me laugh aloud.
Agreed. Thee Chik Fil A's around me are always backed up and busy. I don't think the SJW's who boycotted them made a damn bit of difference.
Oh man, this warms my heart. I'm definitely gonna buy some stuff of his now.
Quote from: GhostNinja on May 25, 2022, 01:41:24 PM
Agreed. Thee Chik Fil A's around me are always backed up and busy. I don't think the SJW's who boycotted them made a damn bit of difference.
Yeah, fat lot of good it did. The only chik fil a in my area is always backed up. We've always had to wait. Doesn't matter what time of day. And we're in a college town to boot, so tons of liberal students that just love chicken.
Since the kickstarter is closed, I guess we have to wait for the product to launch to buy it?
Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on May 25, 2022, 01:46:04 PM
Yeah, fat lot of good it did. The only chik fil a in my area is always backed up. We've always had to wait. Doesn't matter what time of day. And we're in a college town to boot, so tons of liberal students that just love chicken.
I will bet it probably brought people who had never tried Chik Fil a in just to see what all the fuss was about and minted them new customers.
I would say SJW's are idiots, but it's kind of redundant.
Quote from: Steven Mitchell on May 25, 2022, 02:24:30 PM
Since the kickstarter is closed, I guess we have to wait for the product to launch to buy it?
Maybe someone could contact the designer and let him know people are hearing about his project and are interested. Maybe there is something he can do? I mean more money is more money.
Quote from: GhostNinja on May 25, 2022, 02:33:49 PM
Quote from: Steven Mitchell on May 25, 2022, 02:24:30 PM
Since the kickstarter is closed, I guess we have to wait for the product to launch to buy it?
Maybe someone could contact the designer and let him know people are hearing about his project and are interested. Maybe there is something he can do? I mean more money is more money.
He's aware of this post, so I'm sure he'll see the latest replies eventually.
Quote from: Mithgarthr on May 25, 2022, 02:51:55 PM
He's aware of this post, so I'm sure he'll see the latest replies eventually.
Cool. I may be interested in purchasing it to help him out and counter the SJW's.
Well I'd be happy to get a pre-order up on my marketplace, we do pre-orders/post crowd-funding sometimes. It's OSR and we need more of that, plus he's a fellow Canuck which is sort of our jam.
I technically missed the KS last year but just emailed the creator directly and got in. I think his email is listed in there somewhere. You could probably contact him about it. He also has a Barrowmaze Facebook page & you could inquire there. I don't do Facebook so I'm not sure.
A product described as being "devoid of woke nonsense" makes me much more likely to buy it. I will happily support Greg.
I think it would be cool if we had a 'woke free' logo of some kind. Similar to the OSR logo (or like Pepsi free) so like-minded people could fly the flag so-to-speak.
Be good to send a signal to everyone to say that it can be done, and it might also encourage people who are on the fence or worried about repercussions.
Quote from: Crusader X on May 25, 2022, 06:19:09 PM
A product described as being "devoid of woke nonsense" makes me much more likely to buy it. I will happily support Greg.
Here's the thing that just floors me. Greg only responded the way he did because those sjdub bastards kept pushing for him to make a statement. They kept prying, kept asking. And when he does.....well it shows you their true character.
Quote from: GhostNinja on May 25, 2022, 12:23:31 PM
Quote from: I on May 25, 2022, 11:19:44 AMA good analogy might be the Chik-Fil-A thing from a few years ago. Their business spiked after liberals boycotted it over Dan Cathy's comments on homosexuality. Conservatives (and other non-political people sick of SJWs) didn't run and buy more Chik-Fil-A because they were cheering on his comments, even if they maybe agreed with them; they bought more Chik-Fil-A because liberals boycotted the chain and made conservatives angry enough to counter the boycott.
Yes, people threaten to boycott but the truth is, it doesn't work. And its not just Liberals, Conservatives do too. The fact of the matter is, their protests usually never work because too few actually boycott and like Chik-Fil-A, the other side makes up for the few people who boycott.
I think there's a mix. Some boycotts are completely toothless, some have only a small effect, and some have significant effect. In the case of Chik-Fil-A, the company announced in 2019 that it was changing it's charitable giving and no longer gave to anti-LGBT causes (link below). I think that was motivated by the boycott. I have a Chik-Fil-A in my town that opened up right around that time, and it's had long lines but that's after the change in charities.
https://web.archive.org/web/20191118161041/https://www.bisnow.com/national/news/retail/exclusive-amid-global-expansion-and-lgbt-pushback-chick-fil-a-changes-charitable-giving-structure-101818
In the Kickstarter, I wonder if there would have been less controversy if the initial campaign had that statement, rather than announcing it in a later update. Then the people who withdrew later might have just not backed it, rather than finding out and withdrawing. The same might happen in reverse if there was an OSR Kickstarter that at first didn't seem woke, but in an update affirmed some sort of woke values. Then conservatives who backed it might get angry.
I generally don't care about the politics of gaming products, but a lot of people do these days - so maybe it's better to be clear up front. (I care about politics, but I engage by means other than gaming.)
I just wanted to stop in and say how much I appreciate the people in this thread. It's genuinely warming.
Only three people asked for refunds, which is just the unbalanced vocal minority, and more than that have flocked to the banner. So, net gain.
Dwarrowdeep is gonna be one for the ages. I mentioned on the ks site that Ed Greenwood has an advanced copy and really likes it. He's writing a foreword for the monochrome version later this year.
Dwarrowdeep is no different than Barrowmaze, Archaia, or HighFell in tone. They all focus on good, solid gaming with not a sniff of unbalanced woke ideology. So, nothing here is news.
I started writing and designing games because I was sick of the wokism in academia over a decade ago. It has gotten much, much worse since then. I made the right decision lol
Edit: I was banned on the rpg.net site after one post. They do enjoy their echo chambers lol
Quote from: Gegilles on May 26, 2022, 06:55:57 AM
I just wanted to stop in and say how much I appreciate the people in this thread. It's genuinely warming.
Only three people asked for refunds, which is just the unbalanced vocal minority, and more than that have flocked to the banner. So, net gain.
Dwarrowdeep is gonna be one for the ages. I mentioned on the ks site that Ed Greenwood has an advanced copy and really likes it. He's writing a foreword for the monochrome version later this year.
Dwarrowdeep is no different than Barrowmaze, Archaia, or HighFell in tone. They all focus on good, solid gaming with not a sniff of unbalanced woke ideology. So, nothing here is news.
I started writing and designing games because I was sick of the wokism in academia over a decade ago. It has gotten much, much worse since then. I made the right decision lol
Edit: I was banned on the rpg.net site after one post. They do enjoy their echo chambers lol
If this is Greg's account I'd love to know how many people wanted to buy the product post comment vs the 3 who wanted a refund.
There's money to be made in Keeping Games as Games not using them as Political Propoganda.
Also, i'll be buying a second copy to give a friend when it comes out. I wish the pledgemanager would open up again so I can back another copy.
Unfortunately, Dan Cathy lost his damn mind during the BLM riots and washed the feet of a black rapper in a bizarre act of "racial atonement." I have been unintentionally boycotting Chik-Fil-A ever since, not because I think they're going to be hurt by losing my business, but because every time I think of their food I also think about washing another man's nasty, horny, splay-toed feet & encrusted toenails and it just takes my appetite away.
Yes it's me :)
If I want politics, I'll watch the news.
Get that shite the heck out of my dungeon crawling lol
I put the celebration of the game, its history, and my respect for Gygax first.
I made the comment because there's a group that seems to...expect it now. So...don't expect it lol
Not in my games.
I know my core supporters. They aren't tourists. They are the core of the hobby.
I'm not going to disappoint that group.
That's how I feel about it, in all honesty.
Quote from: Gegilles on May 26, 2022, 11:27:27 AM
Yes it's me :)
If I want politics, I'll watch the news.
Get that shite the heck out of my dungeon crawling lol
I put the celebration of the game, its history, and my respect for Gygax first.
I made the comment because there's a group that seems to...expect it now. So...don't expect it lol
Not in my games.
I know my core supporters. They aren't tourists. They are the core of the hobby.
I'm not going to disappoint that group.
That's how I feel about it, in all honesty.
Sounds good to me. Woke Free gaming is the way to go as far as I'm concerned.
Quote from: Gegilles on May 26, 2022, 11:27:27 AM
Yes it's me :)
If I want politics, I'll watch the news.
Get that shite the heck out of my dungeon crawling lol
I put the celebration of the game, its history, and my respect for Gygax first.
I made the comment because there's a group that seems to...expect it now. So...don't expect it lol
Not in my games.
I know my core supporters. They aren't tourists. They are the core of the hobby.
I'm not going to disappoint that group.
That's how I feel about it, in all honesty.
I wish more RPG authors were brave and 'normal' like you.
Never Change. <3
Quote from: Gegilles on May 26, 2022, 11:27:27 AM
Yes it's me :)
...
Well, welcome. I hope you find good stuff here.
I know I'm going to pick up some of your pdfs. Keep up the good work.
And you're in excellent company since you've been banned from TBP.
I got thinking, In a way this is a form of gatekeeping for "us" collectively. It really weeds out the woke sjdubs.
Quote from: THE_Leopold on May 26, 2022, 11:31:17 AM
I wish more RPG authors were brave and 'normal' like you.
Never Change. <3
Well see, that's the thing. All the sjdubs think they are brave and normal......cause they tell each other that.
Quote from: Gegilles on May 26, 2022, 11:27:27 AM
Yes it's me :)
If I want politics, I'll watch the news.
Get that shite the heck out of my dungeon crawling lol
I put the celebration of the game, its history, and my respect for Gygax first.
I made the comment because there's a group that seems to...expect it now. So...don't expect it lol
Not in my games.
I know my core supporters. They aren't tourists. They are the core of the hobby.
I'm not going to disappoint that group.
That's how I feel about it, in all honesty.
Was there anything specific being asked for by the Woke mob that was behind your announcement that you're going to keep that nonsense out?
I have to wonder if there is an organized effort of some kind going on, and if we're going to see other small rpg companies get deliberately pushed to be Woke soon. It brings to mind all of the video game companies being asked for their position on abortion, and many of those companies reacting basically with 'What the hell does our video games have to do with abortion?"
I think most look at WotC and deem that "normal," which ob it isn't.
But there is also a trickle down effect too to smaller and newer publishers, that is more subtle and implicit.
You need an established voice, know who you are, know the history of the hobby, and stick to your art and convictions.
In 10 years time, some authors will have locked their work into this woke time period and it won't age well.
I'm not doing that.
Quote from: Gegilles on May 26, 2022, 12:24:55 PM
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In 10 years time, some authors will have locked their work into this woke time period and it won't age well.
I'm not doing that.
Yes, exactly. That's a big problem I have with a lot of people. They're so focused on the now that they completely neglect a future.
Quote from: Gegilles on May 26, 2022, 12:24:55 PM
I think most look at WotC and deem that "normal," which ob it isn't.
But there is also a trickle down effect too to smaller and newer publishers, that is more subtle and implicit.
You need an established voice, know who you are, know the history of the hobby, and stick to your art and convictions.
In 10 years time, some authors will have locked their work into this woke time period and it won't age well.
I'm not doing that.
if i placed your modules in a delorean that went 88mph and dropped in the lap of a gamer from the 80s they could basically run it as is without any context and think this is something easily useable.
That's all I want in a gaming book, to transcend editions so without much effort I can update/modify the mechanics but keep the core as is.
Whelp,
The folks on the big purple turd caught wind of this Kickstarter and as usual, the snowflakes are going crazy, threating to not buy his products, etc.
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/greg-gillespie-enters-culture-war-in-latest-ks.897652/
Snowflakes being snowflakes.
Quote from: GhostNinja on May 26, 2022, 03:39:00 PM
Whelp,
The folks on the big purple turd caught wind of this Kickstarter and as usual, the snowflakes are going crazy, threating to not buy his products, etc.
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/greg-gillespie-enters-culture-war-in-latest-ks.897652/
Snowflakes being snowflakes.
SJWs: We want you to be diverse, inclusive, and equitable in your games!
GG: I'm not putting politics into my game, anyone can play it and anyone can buy the book, i'm keeping it apolitical.
SJWs: Knuckledragging Racist!
Internet: ????
TPB: *cheers*
Quote from: GhostNinja on May 26, 2022, 03:39:00 PM
Whelp,
The folks on the big purple turd caught wind of this Kickstarter and as usual, the snowflakes are going crazy, threating to not buy his products, etc.
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/greg-gillespie-enters-culture-war-in-latest-ks.897652/
Snowflakes being snowflakes.
It has been a fascinating look into their mindset. There is a definite strain not only of 'everything is political,' but 'only our political point of view is legitimate.' I wonder if someone said "I'm not buying anything from people who contributed to the 'Reproductive Justice' bundles," would the reaction be
1. You're wrong, but that's your right;
2. You're an EEEEVIL enemy of human rights and shouldn't be allowed
anywhere in the hobby!
My money's on 2. :)
Quote from: THE_Leopold on May 26, 2022, 03:43:34 PM
SJWs: We want you to be diverse, inclusive, and equitable in your games!
GG: I'm not putting politics into my game, anyone can play it and anyone can buy the book, i'm keeping it apolitical.
SJWs: Knuckledragging Racist!
Internet: ????
TPB: *cheers*
Yeah, that place is a cesspool. I saw a post on TBP where someone cheered the fact that Rpg.net is anti-free speech. If I had a ton of money I would buy it and just shut it down. It would do the hobby good. But then again, most of the idiots posting there don't actually play, they just talk about games
Quote from: GhostNinja on May 26, 2022, 03:53:49 PM
Quote from: THE_Leopold on May 26, 2022, 03:43:34 PM
SJWs: We want you to be diverse, inclusive, and equitable in your games!
GG: I'm not putting politics into my game, anyone can play it and anyone can buy the book, i'm keeping it apolitical.
SJWs: Knuckledragging Racist!
Internet: ????
TPB: *cheers*
Yeah, that place is a cesspool. I saw a post on TBP where someone cheered the fact that Rpg.net is anti-free speech. If I had a ton of money I would buy it and just shut it down. It would do the hobby good. But then again, most of the idiots posting there don't actually play, they just talk about games
No leave it running just change the background to the american flag. You don't want this nonsense to spread to the rest of the 'net ala Tumblr.
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on May 26, 2022, 03:47:37 PM
It has been a fascinating look into their mindset. There is a definite strain not only of 'everything is political,' but 'only our political point of view is legitimate.' I wonder if someone said "I'm not buying anything from people who contributed to the 'Reproductive Justice' bundles," would the reaction be
1. You're wrong, but that's your right;
2. You're an EEEEVIL enemy of human rights and shouldn't be allowed anywhere in the hobby!
My money's on 2. :)
I agree. TBP is just an echo chamber. You are either with them or you are against them, and if you are against them you are banned.
Quote from: THE_Leopold on May 26, 2022, 03:54:44 PM
No leave it running just change the background to the american flag. You don't want this nonsense to spread to the rest of the 'net ala Tumblr.
Actually change the background to an American flag, purge all of the banned users and half created users and the bots, then ban the current moderators and admins and remove anything that is not rpg related and make it an actual rpg site again.
Quote from: GhostNinja on May 26, 2022, 03:58:53 PM
Quote from: THE_Leopold on May 26, 2022, 03:54:44 PM
No leave it running just change the background to the american flag. You don't want this nonsense to spread to the rest of the 'net ala Tumblr.
Actually change the background to an American flag, purge all of the banned users and half created users and the bots, then ban the current moderators and admins and remove anything that is not rpg related and make it an actual rpg site again.
That breaks containment. One does not want to cross pollenate their rose garden with left over blue hair dye bottles, boxes of wine, and cat litter bags.
The quivering outrage on TBP is predictable and sad. What's also funny is the feeble attempt to claim the term Anglo-Saxon is "outdated & racist," condemned by academics, which they support by citing Smithsonian magazine, which is not, in fact, a legitimate academic publication, but rather something intended for the general public.
First off, Greg himself is an academic, with training in history. I'm pretty sure he knows what the term denotes and it's pretty clear to me what historical and mythical traditions he is drawing upon, not unlike one Professor Tolkien. Second, many academics live for claiming pretty much everything is racist or hegemonic in some way and since the academic community skews overwhelmingly to the far left, I'd hardly take finding a single article in a fringe academic journal a definitive statement on the subject.
Quote from: Gegilles on May 26, 2022, 11:27:27 AM
Yes it's me :)
If I want politics, I'll watch the news.
Get that shite the heck out of my dungeon crawling lol
I put the celebration of the game, its history, and my respect for Gygax first.
I made the comment because there's a group that seems to...expect it now. So...don't expect it lol
Not in my games.
I know my core supporters. They aren't tourists. They are the core of the hobby.
I'm not going to disappoint that group.
That's how I feel about it, in all honesty.
I will gladly support, with cash (or credit card) creators like this.
I liked the other three books in the series, I'll pick up this one as well.
Quote from: Persimmon on May 26, 2022, 05:19:53 PM
The quivering outrage on TBP is predictable and sad. What's also funny is the feeble attempt to claim the term Anglo-Saxon is "outdated & racist," condemned by academics, which they support by citing Smithsonian magazine, which is not, in fact, a legitimate academic publication, but rather something intended for the general public.
First off, Greg himself is an academic, with training in history. I'm pretty sure he knows what the term denotes and it's pretty clear to me what historical and mythical traditions he is drawing upon, not unlike one Professor Tolkien. Second, many academics live for claiming pretty much everything is racist or hegemonic in some way and since the academic community skews overwhelmingly to the far left, I'd hardly take finding a single article in a fringe academic journal a definitive statement on the subject.
Greetings!
Entirely agree, Persimmon! Yeah, I have been trained as a Historian as well. When I read that, I was thinking "WTF? Since when? Who the fuck are these clowns that believe this?" ;D
I also agree--even more so in recent times--there are always fringe academics espousing some nonsense theory or perspective. Sadly, however, the nuts have overthrown the table, and "academia" is more and more being turned into just another ideology-driven cesspool that has been largely reduced to being a laughingstock for many.
Anglo-Saxon is an absolutely legitimate field of study and expertise--with sub-branches in Anglo-Saxon History, Anglo-Saxon Literature, Anglo-Saxon Languages, and I think Anglo-Saxon Mythology. Tolkien, of course, being a world-renowned and celebrated expert in Anglo-Saxon knowledge.
Gaahhhh! These people infuriate me, Persimmon!
I read that whole thread. My brain has melted. The absolute trashing of history, the historical revisionism, the deep, academic ignorance and brainwashing of these people is simply jaw-droppingly stunning.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I own a few of his products and I missed backing this one, so I just emailed him to see if I could take one of spots that canceled on him :)
Quote from: SHARK on May 26, 2022, 06:16:33 PM
Quote from: Persimmon on May 26, 2022, 05:19:53 PM
The quivering outrage on TBP is predictable and sad. What's also funny is the feeble attempt to claim the term Anglo-Saxon is "outdated & racist," condemned by academics, which they support by citing Smithsonian magazine, which is not, in fact, a legitimate academic publication, but rather something intended for the general public.
First off, Greg himself is an academic, with training in history. I'm pretty sure he knows what the term denotes and it's pretty clear to me what historical and mythical traditions he is drawing upon, not unlike one Professor Tolkien. Second, many academics live for claiming pretty much everything is racist or hegemonic in some way and since the academic community skews overwhelmingly to the far left, I'd hardly take finding a single article in a fringe academic journal a definitive statement on the subject.
Greetings!
Entirely agree, Persimmon! Yeah, I have been trained as a Historian as well. When I read that, I was thinking "WTF? Since when? Who the fuck are these clowns that believe this?" ;D
I also agree--even more so in recent times--there are always fringe academics espousing some nonsense theory or perspective. Sadly, however, the nuts have overthrown the table, and "academia" is more and more being turned into just another ideology-driven cesspool that has been largely reduced to being a laughingstock for many.
Anglo-Saxon is an absolutely legitimate field of study and expertise--with sub-branches in Anglo-Saxon History, Anglo-Saxon Literature, Anglo-Saxon Languages, and I think Anglo-Saxon Mythology. Tolkien, of course, being a world-renowned and celebrated expert in Anglo-Saxon knowledge.
Gaahhhh! These people infuriate me, Persimmon!
I read that whole thread. My brain has melted. The absolute trashing of history, the historical revisionism, the deep, academic ignorance and brainwashing of these people is simply jaw-droppingly stunning.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
If you want solid, non-woke, evidence based academic military history, I invite you to read my books, all of which can be found on Amazon.
Here's a recent one: https://www.amazon.com/Trail-Yellow-Tiger-Dislocation-Transition/dp/0803249950/ref=sr_1_1?crid=LRUG3EK40XA9&keywords=on+the+trail+of+the+yellow+tiger&qid=1653608569&s=books&sprefix=on+the+trail+of+the+yellow+tiger%2Cstripbooks%2C492&sr=1-1
I took a look at the thread over on TBP about this....and wow. It seems there are two political leanings a person can have, either very progressive, or alt right nazi adjacent if not a nazi. Those people have lost their minds. I wish I could just get some of them to go outside, get some exercise, lift some weights, something to get them to feel a little better about themselves.
Quote from: oggsmash on May 26, 2022, 11:00:19 PM
I took a look at the thread over on TBP about this....and wow. It seems there are two political leanings a person can have, either very progressive, or alt right nazi adjacent if not a nazi. Those people have lost their minds. I wish I could just get some of them to go outside, get some exercise, lift some weights, something to get them to feel a little better about themselves.
I saw that too... LOL Yeah, a completely 'binary' way of thinking it's really quite bizarre and sad.
I think the only weights they will be lifting are supersized pizzas and furry suits. But hey, I don't judge...
However, I do know for a fact, that there were hundreds and hundreds of Notses about to join that game jam, but now after seeing that they are not welcome, they've all had to trundle away with jackboots in hand. :(
Well he's earned my coin.
I'm trying to wrap my head around how in the hell anybody would think "Anglo-Saxon" is somehow racist.
Quote from: Gegilles on May 26, 2022, 11:27:27 AM
Yes it's me :)
If I want politics, I'll watch the news.
Get that shite the heck out of my dungeon crawling lol
I put the celebration of the game, its history, and my respect for Gygax first.
I made the comment because there's a group that seems to...expect it now. So...don't expect it lol
Not in my games.
I know my core supporters. They aren't tourists. They are the core of the hobby.
I'm not going to disappoint that group.
That's how I feel about it, in all honesty.
Good to hear it Greg. Your adventures are being played by three generations in my house hold and we couldn't be happier with your products.
We are very much looking forward to delving into Dwarrowdeep!
As someone whose ancestors were bullied by the English (descendants of the original Anglo-Saxons), and who had run-ins with snobbish idiots who happened to be white... you have my full support Greg. Wishing you the best in your project and I can't wait to pick up and run Dwarrowdeep when it's out.
Quote from: GhostNinja on May 25, 2022, 10:18:12 AM
Didn't someone on here ask the question about what would happen if you created an RPG and called in "Non Woke"?
Guess we know what happens. Snowflakes will get offended
We already knew that would happen because that is what always happens. Every time anyone bucks the woke agenda they get slapped with Natzi and whatever.
And even if you do not. They will eventually hallucinate some offense and do it anyhow.
Quote from: I on May 26, 2022, 11:52:31 PM
I'm trying to wrap my head around how in the hell anybody would think "Anglo-Saxon" is somehow racist.
Anything having to do with Europeans, especially if it deals with Their history, is automatically racist. Didn't you know that, bigot?
Quote from: Omega on May 27, 2022, 04:24:05 AM
Quote from: GhostNinja on May 25, 2022, 10:18:12 AM
Didn't someone on here ask the question about what would happen if you created an RPG and called in "Non Woke"?
Guess we know what happens. Snowflakes will get offended
We already knew that would happen because that is what always happens. Every time anyone bucks the woke agenda they get slapped with Natzi and whatever.
And even if you do not. They will eventually hallucinate some offense and do it anyhow.
Yeah, now that there is a beginning of backlash against wokeness and SJW's and their "Safety Tools" never taking off, they are flailing because that minute inkling of power they had is fading away.
Quote from: Mithgarthr on May 27, 2022, 08:03:51 AM
Quote from: I on May 26, 2022, 11:52:31 PM
I'm trying to wrap my head around how in the hell anybody would think "Anglo-Saxon" is somehow racist.
Anything having to do with Europeans, especially if it deals with Their history, is automatically racist. Didn't you know that, bigot?
It's a religion. Whitey is their Satan and scapegoat.
Nevermind that African Americans and Latin Americans have inherited European genetics and culture.
Gegilles, is there a backerkit or other method to make a purchase in the time past the KS closure?
A lot of those responses over on that other site are just pure strawman gibberish.
"Because they are Nazis, this justifies my extremist position."
No, these people aren't arguing for human rights with their woke nonsense. They're just being White Knight turds.
Quote from: bromides on May 27, 2022, 11:43:24 AM
A lot of those responses over on that other site are just pure strawman gibberish.
"Because they are Nazis, this justifies my extremist position."
No, these people aren't arguing for human rights with their woke nonsense. They're just being White Knight turds.
They also seem to repeat to one another a trope of sorts that alt right people (literally anyone who is not progressive) feels the woke crowd is faking their feelings. Those idiots miss the obvious on that one, people do not think they are faking it because of a difference in thought, they think they are faking it because a shitload of them act like sociopaths....and sociopaths fake their feels all the time.
Quote from: bromides on May 27, 2022, 11:43:24 AM
A lot of those responses over on that other site are just pure strawman gibberish.
Absolutely... Don't ever ask them for facts and figures or else they will cry.
I love the way that one of the shite-bag fascists, I mean moderators, said that 90% of the hobby are all now thinking 'their way'. I'd love to know where they got that 'hard data' from. I'll wait... LOL
I mean, why not just make up some shit to try and sell their woke scold agenda?
Quote from: oggsmash on May 27, 2022, 11:46:32 AM
They also seem to repeat to one another a trope of sorts that alt right people (literally anyone who is not progressive) feels the woke crowd is faking their feelings. Those idiots miss the obvious on that one, people do not think they are faking it because of a difference in thought, they think they are faking it because a shitload of them act like sociopaths....and sociopaths fake their feels all the time.
Definitely.
It's cosplaying at humanity, acting instead of being human.
LOL... and that question! Do they not realize they are participants in a forum about role-playing?
Seriously... "who does one perform for?"
Well, some people love a performance.
They might even participate in such "role-playing" activities as a hobby. It's pretty shocking, I know.
They play at roles as a hobby for the love of playing these roles, you see.
(If anyone should understand role-playing at things for the personal fulfillment of playing roles, it probably should be role-playing gamers.)
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on May 27, 2022, 11:56:19 AM
I love the way that one of the shite-bag fascists, I mean moderators, said that 90% of the hobby are all now thinking 'their way'.
*sigh* The hive mind used to be something we avoided, being free men of the West.
Now, it's back to tribalism. Regressive. Active stupidity.
I enjoyed my RPG books in the day when we didn't require political statements to prove our bona fides or the performative humanism of the authors. Don't underestimate your audience, and all that. We're shocked when art doesn't treat us like children... and it wasn't that long ago when they used to treat us like adults, but not any more.
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on May 27, 2022, 11:56:19 AM
I love the way that one of the shite-bag fascists, I mean moderators, said that 90% of the hobby are all now thinking 'their way'. I'd love to know where they got that 'hard data' from. I'll wait... LOL
I mean, why not just make up some shit to try and sell their woke scold agenda?
They apparently built it off the comparative numbers for the progressive-friendly OSR group on Facebook and the Conservative OSR group on Facebook.
I wouldn't be surprised if they're right about the people who have opinions, but I'm not sure that makes up more than 10% of the RPG hobby.
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on May 27, 2022, 12:24:55 PM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on May 27, 2022, 11:56:19 AM
I love the way that one of the shite-bag fascists, I mean moderators, said that 90% of the hobby are all now thinking 'their way'. I'd love to know where they got that 'hard data' from. I'll wait... LOL
I mean, why not just make up some shit to try and sell their woke scold agenda?
They apparently built it off the comparative numbers for the progressive-friendly OSR group on Facebook and the Conservative OSR group on Facebook.
I wouldn't be surprised if they're right about the people who have opinions, but I'm not sure that makes up more than 10% of the RPG hobby.
From that observation, they might have a point (at first glance but beyond that..). However, the jack-booted mod seemed to think that the whole hobby was 90% 'their way'. And that's bollox says I.
I think that a heck of a lot of people just doesn't really care about that stuff when they want to game. They probably joined that group because it's the biggest and has a lot of posts.
Quote from: bromides on May 27, 2022, 12:24:36 PM
*sigh* The hive mind used to be something we avoided, being free men of the West.
Now, it's back to tribalism. Regressive. Active stupidity.
I enjoyed my RPG books in the day when we didn't require political statements to prove our bona fides or the performative humanism of the authors. Don't underestimate your audience, and all that. We're shocked when art doesn't treat us like children... and it wasn't that long ago when they used to treat us like adults, but not any more.
Yes indeed! The 90s were great. We were all treated like adults... Now we are told to shut up and take our medicine.
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on May 27, 2022, 12:37:43 PM
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on May 27, 2022, 12:24:55 PM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on May 27, 2022, 11:56:19 AM
I love the way that one of the shite-bag fascists, I mean moderators, said that 90% of the hobby are all now thinking 'their way'. I'd love to know where they got that 'hard data' from. I'll wait... LOL
I mean, why not just make up some shit to try and sell their woke scold agenda?
They apparently built it off the comparative numbers for the progressive-friendly OSR group on Facebook and the Conservative OSR group on Facebook.
I wouldn't be surprised if they're right about the people who have opinions, but I'm not sure that makes up more than 10% of the RPG hobby.
From that observation, they might have a point (at first glance but beyond that..). However, the jack-booted mod seemed to think that the whole hobby was 90% 'their way'. And that's bollox says I.
I think that a heck of a lot of people just doesn't really care about that stuff when they want to game. They probably joined that group because it's the biggest and has a lot of posts.
If that is indeed their data set then their argument is weak as fuck, because the vast majority of FB users anymore are Leftoids. Literally everyone I know IRL who's a "vile right wing Nazi" left FB in the last year or two.
So after allowing to shit post and allow people to say crap about Pundit, Zac, Greg and anyone else but wouldn't ban them because they said it "In the heat of the moment" the snowflake moderators at the big purple turd locked the thread.
Paint me surprised.
Another observation I have about that site in general is how much the discourse resembles that of Maoist China. Everyone falls over themself to proclaim their "revolutionary credentials" and attack the latest proclaimed oppressor, enemy, splittist, hegemon, or whatever. But the wind will change soon enough and no matter what side you pick, you'll eventually become the target.
Quote from: Persimmon on May 27, 2022, 03:04:45 PM
Another observation I have about that site in general is how much the discourse resembles that of Maoist China. Everyone falls over themself to proclaim their "revolutionary credentials" and attack the latest proclaimed oppressor, enemy, splittist, hegemon, or whatever. But the wind will change soon enough and no matter what side you pick, you'll eventually become the target.
Very good point.
Quote from: Persimmon on May 27, 2022, 03:04:45 PM
Another observation I have about that site in general is how much the discourse resembles that of Maoist China. Everyone falls over themself to proclaim their "revolutionary credentials" and attack the latest proclaimed oppressor, enemy, splittist, hegemon, or whatever. But the wind will change soon enough and no matter what side you pick, you'll eventually become the target.
That's the gawds own truth. The amount of posters over there that have been censored/beaten into submission should warn them.....but they're comfortable with the oppressive mods and want to remain a part of that horrid place.
Quote from: Gegilles on May 26, 2022, 11:27:27 AM
Yes it's me :)
If I want politics, I'll watch the news.
Get that shite the heck out of my dungeon crawling lol
I put the celebration of the game, its history, and my respect for Gygax first.
I made the comment because there's a group that seems to...expect it now. So...don't expect it lol
Not in my games.
I know my core supporters. They aren't tourists. They are the core of the hobby.
I'm not going to disappoint that group.
That's how I feel about it, in all honesty.
Welcome to theRPGsite!
Let me say that Barrowmaze is, bar none, the single best dungeon adventure in the history of the OSR. If your new book is up to that standard it'll be well worth having I'm sure.
I've got a copy of Barrowmaze and I really like it. Somehow I didn't hear about Dwarrowdeep until it was too late. Any word on late backing or how to still support this/get a copy? I want to support for all the same reasons that have been mentioned. I appreciate keeping politics out of gaming. I long for the good old days when politics wasn't involved in everything.
Quote from: GhostNinja on May 27, 2022, 08:46:49 AM
Quote from: Omega on May 27, 2022, 04:24:05 AM
Quote from: GhostNinja on May 25, 2022, 10:18:12 AM
Didn't someone on here ask the question about what would happen if you created an RPG and called in "Non Woke"?
Guess we know what happens. Snowflakes will get offended
We already knew that would happen because that is what always happens. Every time anyone bucks the woke agenda they get slapped with Natzi and whatever.
And even if you do not. They will eventually hallucinate some offense and do it anyhow.
Yeah, now that there is a beginning of backlash against wokeness and SJW's and their "Safety Tools" never taking off, they are flailing because that minute inkling of power they had is fading away.
8 years to the next wave. At the current rate things are going there wont be enough cool down phase before it starts building momentum again, and likely worse. Places like BGG, Drive-thru and RPG.net will still be in power and poisoning minds as they show no signs of collapse. And these are just tiny festering wounds in a severely infested body of media as a whole. Major and minor bombs have not only not curb hollywoods woke agenda. They have stepped up the production.
And we have yet to see the all the fucked up woke products already in development.
This on top of whatever footholds they have gained in schools. And lets not forget that colleges are bastions of this mental disease and spread it far and wide. And this is the real heart of this plague. Long as they can keep indoctrinating new generations with their pogroms its not going to stop ever.
This is wave 3 I've been through. Each worse than the last.
Greetings!
I love how in Hungary, Woke teachers and professors have been banned and fired from any teaching position. They fucking Reee! Reee! about it of course, but to no avail. Brilliant move on the Hungarian government's part in getting a strong grip on the fucking incubating nest factory where all this bullshit begins.
The teachers and professors use every opportunity to indoctrinate and brainwash young students day in and day out, day after day, with their lectures, their films, their classroom handouts, their guest speakers, their textbooks, and the supplemental books used for the class in addition to the official textbook.
All of this Marxist brainwashing creates the kinds of people that want to cancel Gillespie and his game books. It is so sad and frustrating that these people even exist, but everyone in the game hobby must stand strong and resist them at every opportunity, and crush them.
The gaming hobby in general, is under threat, and within that hobby space, the OSR is a particular target for the Marxist hordes.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Good for Greg; hope he has tenure and can weather what's coming. And right on, it is a dwarf-themed dungeon, not an exercise in Maoism-Thirdworldism.
Quote from: SHARK on May 29, 2022, 01:49:49 AMI love how in Hungary, Woke teachers and professors have been banned and fired from any teaching position. They fucking Reee! Reee! about it of course, but to no avail. Brilliant move on the Hungarian government's part in getting a strong grip on the fucking incubating nest factory where all this bullshit begins.
That's not even remotely the case: neither bannings, nor firings have taken place, and universities are still dominantly left-leaning (although that's more like leftover Clinton-style neo-liberalism than the woke plague). Now, state support has been suspended for gender studies - meaning it can be taught, but must be financed privately - and the Soros-founded Central European University moved some of its operations to Vienna after it lost its previous privileges (imagine something like Disneyland's special status in Florida, and how it came to an end).
Discrimination against conservative staff - which was still going in the 2000s - is a lot less common these days, and the people who try to engage in it have a lot less power to do their tricks. For one, nobody pays attention to the newspapers that would be doing a cancellation, so these tools are a lot less effective (ironically, they are only effective against the leftists who still read them).
This balance/interregnum is really preferrable to an opposite situation where the right would run the institutions like the libs used to. We voted to get rid of that crap, not recreate it with a different colour.
While our universities are indeed hotbeds of attempted liberal indoctrination and many students unthinkingly self-identify as being "progressive" or "liberal" without actually having any idea what it means, the reality is that the vast majority of students are completely uninformed and unaware of what's really happening in the world beyond social media. They don't read the books we assign, regardless of topic. They don't come to class; they don't attend guest lectures unless they get extra credit.
The truly sad thing is that the only thing most universities care about these days is customer satisfaction, which means student evaluations of faculty. And these contain questions about the faculty member's "compassion" but ignore things like academic expertise. So my liberal colleagues just coddle the students, letting them design their own tests, which are often then take-home, allowing them to watch movies to replace low grades, giving them the chance to re-write any papers, etc. One of my colleagues in the History department doesn't even assign reading in his intro level classes anymore! That would be like not assigning problems in a math class. This is the same guy who lets students make their own tests. He is lauded as one of the best "teachers" on campus and has a Distinguished Professor title. But his students don't learn jack shit as I frequently see when they end up in my classes. After the 2016 election, the university created a "safe space" in the library where students could freakin' color to assuage their trauma. Yes, they provided coloring books.
Because I strive to maintain a semblance of standards (only 1 student in my upper level course got an A last semester), the students tend to fear and dislike me and I get flak from some of my colleagues. Luckily I'm tenured, though that means little around here. To bring the subject back to Greg & his classes, if you read the reviews of his stuff on Drive Thru RPG, it's interesting that most of the negative reviews are from disgruntled students of his who had to buy one of his books for his RPG history class. Having to work & be accountable is the last thing most of today's college students want.
So who knows how bad things will be in the ensuing decades when these people enter the real world with their empty credentials?
Quote from: Persimmon on May 25, 2022, 12:46:26 AM
So Greg Gillespie of Barrowmaze, Archaia & Highfell fame is about to release his newest megadungeon--a dwarf themed one called Dwarrowdeep. In a recent update he included the following statement:
"If you enjoy an adventure steeped in the history and lore of the game, medieval fantasy, dwarves, and Anglo-Saxon history - and devoid of woke nonsense - this will be right up your alley."
This hilariously sparked outrage from SJWs and pronoun choosers as they decried him as Fascist (of course), etc. for his use of the term "woke nonsense" and his policy of keeping his products devoid of unnecessary contemporary politics or culture war references.
So Greg clarified what he meant by "woke non-sense," saying: "A project that puts good gaming and solid dungeon crawling first and does not espouse a heavy handed politic."
This triggered some folks even more. So Greg clarified further:
1. That this project kicks ass.
2. That despite a myriad of setbacks I'm ahead of schedule.
3. That I take the responsibility people entrust in me seriously and that I won't allow failure.
4. You can expect an early delivery.
Thank you for your comments.
If you would prefer to back ideological-driven projects in the future, please do so."
This provoked some to cancel their pledges, though others fully supported Greg. Ridiculous just how unhinged some people have become and how easily triggered they are.
Thank you for posting about this. Wish I had seen this before the Kickstarter completed. Now I am interested in it. Though $80 is a tad steep. And from how I am reading it, you also have to pay an extra $11-$13 to get it printed?
Quote from: Gegilles on May 26, 2022, 11:27:27 AM
Yes it's me :)
If I want politics, I'll watch the news.
Get that shite the heck out of my dungeon crawling lol
I put the celebration of the game, its history, and my respect for Gygax first.
I made the comment because there's a group that seems to...expect it now. So...don't expect it lol
Not in my games.
I know my core supporters. They aren't tourists. They are the core of the hobby.
I'm not going to disappoint that group.
That's how I feel about it, in all honesty.
As a fellow Ontarian, I have to smile when I read this.
I may not agree with all your viewpoints, but I certainly agree with this one.
Keep up the good work Mr. Gillespie.
Quote from: Melan on May 29, 2022, 07:08:23 AM
Good for Greg; hope he has tenure and can weather what's coming. And right on, it is a dwarf-themed dungeon, not an exercise in Maoism-Thirdworldism.
Quote from: SHARK on May 29, 2022, 01:49:49 AMI love how in Hungary, Woke teachers and professors have been banned and fired from any teaching position. They fucking Reee! Reee! about it of course, but to no avail. Brilliant move on the Hungarian government's part in getting a strong grip on the fucking incubating nest factory where all this bullshit begins.
That's not even remotely the case: neither bannings, nor firings have taken place, and universities are still dominantly left-leaning (although that's more like leftover Clinton-style neo-liberalism than the woke plague). Now, state support has been suspended for gender studies - meaning it can be taught, but must be financed privately - and the Soros-founded Central European University moved some of its operations to Vienna after it lost its previous privileges (imagine something like Disneyland's special status in Florida, and how it came to an end).
Discrimination against conservative staff - which was still going in the 2000s - is a lot less common these days, and the people who try to engage in it have a lot less power to do their tricks. For one, nobody pays attention to the newspapers that would be doing a cancellation, so these tools are a lot less effective (ironically, they are only effective against the leftists who still read them).
This balance/interregnum is really preferrable to an opposite situation where the right would run the institutions like the libs used to. We voted to get rid of that crap, not recreate it with a different colour.
Greetings!
I see, Melan. Thank you. Good to know! I'm glad to hear that some progress against the Marxist academia has been made.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: RPGPundit on May 27, 2022, 08:01:12 PM
Quote from: Gegilles on May 26, 2022, 11:27:27 AM
Yes it's me :)
If I want politics, I'll watch the news.
Get that shite the heck out of my dungeon crawling lol
I put the celebration of the game, its history, and my respect for Gygax first.
I made the comment because there's a group that seems to...expect it now. So...don't expect it lol
Not in my games.
I know my core supporters. They aren't tourists. They are the core of the hobby.
I'm not going to disappoint that group.
That's how I feel about it, in all honesty.
Welcome to theRPGsite!
Let me say that Barrowmaze is, bar none, the single best dungeon adventure in the history of the OSR. If your new book is up to that standard it'll be well worth having I'm sure.
That is very kind. I appreciate you.
Quote from: Melan on May 29, 2022, 07:08:23 AM
Good for Greg; hope he has tenure and can weather what's coming. And right on, it is a dwarf-themed dungeon, not an exercise in Maoism-Thirdworldism.
Quote from: SHARK on May 29, 2022, 01:49:49 AMI love how in Hungary, Woke teachers and professors have been banned and fired from any teaching position. They fucking Reee! Reee! about it of course, but to no avail. Brilliant move on the Hungarian government's part in getting a strong grip on the fucking incubating nest factory where all this bullshit begins.
That's not even remotely the case: neither bannings, nor firings have taken place, and universities are still dominantly left-leaning (although that's more like leftover Clinton-style neo-liberalism than the woke plague). Now, state support has been suspended for gender studies - meaning it can be taught, but must be financed privately - and the Soros-founded Central European University moved some of its operations to Vienna after it lost its previous privileges (imagine something like Disneyland's special status in Florida, and how it came to an end).
Discrimination against conservative staff - which was still going in the 2000s - is a lot less common these days, and the people who try to engage in it have a lot less power to do their tricks. For one, nobody pays attention to the newspapers that would be doing a cancellation, so these tools are a lot less effective (ironically, they are only effective against the leftists who still read them).
This balance/interregnum is really preferrable to an opposite situation where the right would run the institutions like the libs used to. We voted to get rid of that crap, not recreate it with a different colour.
I'm going to disagree, respectfully. John Haidt suggests in his study there are 20 liberal professors in the US academy for every one conservative. I'd anecdotally suggest that number is higher in Canadian higher education. The purpose of the university has been overtaken from knowledge creation to social justice - across the humanities and social sciences particularly. So much so, that undergrads complain that all their courses are the same. Universities no longer care about the most important form of diversity — viewpoint diversity. This provides little space for conservative or moderate leaning young people with room to discuss their viewpoints openly. It has gone so far left, that professors self-censor for fear of being reported. Imagine that, in supposed institutions of higher learning. There are other facets to this discussion, such as campus climate and federal funding that are also influenced. So, as someone in the trenches, I disagree strongly.
Quote from: Gegilles on May 30, 2022, 08:46:17 PM
Quote from: Melan on May 29, 2022, 07:08:23 AM
Good for Greg; hope he has tenure and can weather what's coming. And right on, it is a dwarf-themed dungeon, not an exercise in Maoism-Thirdworldism.
Quote from: SHARK on May 29, 2022, 01:49:49 AMI love how in Hungary, Woke teachers and professors have been banned and fired from any teaching position. They fucking Reee! Reee! about it of course, but to no avail. Brilliant move on the Hungarian government's part in getting a strong grip on the fucking incubating nest factory where all this bullshit begins.
That's not even remotely the case: neither bannings, nor firings have taken place, and universities are still dominantly left-leaning (although that's more like leftover Clinton-style neo-liberalism than the woke plague). Now, state support has been suspended for gender studies - meaning it can be taught, but must be financed privately - and the Soros-founded Central European University moved some of its operations to Vienna after it lost its previous privileges (imagine something like Disneyland's special status in Florida, and how it came to an end).
Discrimination against conservative staff - which was still going in the 2000s - is a lot less common these days, and the people who try to engage in it have a lot less power to do their tricks. For one, nobody pays attention to the newspapers that would be doing a cancellation, so these tools are a lot less effective (ironically, they are only effective against the leftists who still read them).
This balance/interregnum is really preferrable to an opposite situation where the right would run the institutions like the libs used to. We voted to get rid of that crap, not recreate it with a different colour.
I'm going to disagree, respectfully. John Haidt suggests in his study there are 20 liberal professors in the US academy for every one conservative. I'd anecdotally suggest that number is higher in Canadian higher education. The purpose of the university has been overtaken from knowledge creation to social justice - across the humanities and social sciences particularly. So much so, that undergrads complain that all their courses are the same. Universities no longer care about the most important form of diversity — viewpoint diversity. This provides little space for conservative or moderate leaning young people with room to discuss their viewpoints openly. It has gone so far left, that professors self-censor for fear of being reported. Imagine that, in supposed institutions of higher learning. There are other facets to this discussion, such as campus climate and federal funding that are also influenced. So, as someone in the trenches, I disagree strongly.
Melan post refers to the situation in Hungary, not the US.
Quote from: DocJones on May 30, 2022, 09:02:11 PM
Quote from: Gegilles on May 30, 2022, 08:46:17 PM
Quote from: Melan on May 29, 2022, 07:08:23 AM
Good for Greg; hope he has tenure and can weather what's coming. And right on, it is a dwarf-themed dungeon, not an exercise in Maoism-Thirdworldism.
Quote from: SHARK on May 29, 2022, 01:49:49 AMI love how in Hungary, Woke teachers and professors have been banned and fired from any teaching position. They fucking Reee! Reee! about it of course, but to no avail. Brilliant move on the Hungarian government's part in getting a strong grip on the fucking incubating nest factory where all this bullshit begins.
That's not even remotely the case: neither bannings, nor firings have taken place, and universities are still dominantly left-leaning (although that's more like leftover Clinton-style neo-liberalism than the woke plague). Now, state support has been suspended for gender studies - meaning it can be taught, but must be financed privately - and the Soros-founded Central European University moved some of its operations to Vienna after it lost its previous privileges (imagine something like Disneyland's special status in Florida, and how it came to an end).
Discrimination against conservative staff - which was still going in the 2000s - is a lot less common these days, and the people who try to engage in it have a lot less power to do their tricks. For one, nobody pays attention to the newspapers that would be doing a cancellation, so these tools are a lot less effective (ironically, they are only effective against the leftists who still read them).
This balance/interregnum is really preferrable to an opposite situation where the right would run the institutions like the libs used to. We voted to get rid of that crap, not recreate it with a different colour.
I'm going to disagree, respectfully. John Haidt suggests in his study there are 20 liberal professors in the US academy for every one conservative. I'd anecdotally suggest that number is higher in Canadian higher education. The purpose of the university has been overtaken from knowledge creation to social justice - across the humanities and social sciences particularly. So much so, that undergrads complain that all their courses are the same. Universities no longer care about the most important form of diversity — viewpoint diversity. This provides little space for conservative or moderate leaning young people with room to discuss their viewpoints openly. It has gone so far left, that professors self-censor for fear of being reported. Imagine that, in supposed institutions of higher learning. There are other facets to this discussion, such as campus climate and federal funding that are also influenced. So, as someone in the trenches, I disagree strongly.
Melan post refers to the situation in Hungary, not the US.
Yes, I read that. But given I'm in North America I thought it appropriate to balance with the context here.
To add the American perspective here, I'm at a state university in the Deep South, where one might presume there's a bit more balance. I'm in the History Department/Program in the School of Humanities. Of the 22 full-time faculty in History, there is one person in addition to myself who identifies (very quietly) as centrist/right leaning. Of the near 40 people in English/Literature I personally know of none who identify as anything other than liberal; usually pretty far left. The Political Science Department as a whole is left of Mao. The Philosophy & Religion Department has maybe 1 person in the middle. So out of 60 plus faculty in our school there are maybe 3-4 who aren't on the left so far as I know, most of them very far that way. And there's no sense that this is a problem. Job ads still prioritize "diversity," which has nothing to do with diversity of ideas or research. So it's pretty much like Greg's situation up north.
Quote from: SHARK on May 26, 2022, 06:16:33 PM
Quote from: Persimmon on May 26, 2022, 05:19:53 PM
The quivering outrage on TBP is predictable and sad. What's also funny is the feeble attempt to claim the term Anglo-Saxon is "outdated & racist," condemned by academics, which they support by citing Smithsonian magazine, which is not, in fact, a legitimate academic publication, but rather something intended for the general public.
First off, Greg himself is an academic, with training in history. I'm pretty sure he knows what the term denotes and it's pretty clear to me what historical and mythical traditions he is drawing upon, not unlike one Professor Tolkien. Second, many academics live for claiming pretty much everything is racist or hegemonic in some way and since the academic community skews overwhelmingly to the far left, I'd hardly take finding a single article in a fringe academic journal a definitive statement on the subject.
Greetings!
Entirely agree, Persimmon! Yeah, I have been trained as a Historian as well. When I read that, I was thinking "WTF? Since when? Who the fuck are these clowns that believe this?" ;D
I also agree--even more so in recent times--there are always fringe academics espousing some nonsense theory or perspective. Sadly, however, the nuts have overthrown the table, and "academia" is more and more being turned into just another ideology-driven cesspool that has been largely reduced to being a laughingstock for many.
Anglo-Saxon is an absolutely legitimate field of study and expertise--with sub-branches in Anglo-Saxon History, Anglo-Saxon Literature, Anglo-Saxon Languages, and I think Anglo-Saxon Mythology. Tolkien, of course, being a world-renowned and celebrated expert in Anglo-Saxon knowledge.
Gaahhhh! These people infuriate me, Persimmon!
I read that whole thread. My brain has melted. The absolute trashing of history, the historical revisionism, the deep, academic ignorance and brainwashing of these people is simply jaw-droppingly stunning.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
That whole thread was just a cancerous circle jerk of nonsense.
Quote from: Gegilles on May 26, 2022, 06:55:57 AM
I just wanted to stop in and say how much I appreciate the people in this thread. It's genuinely warming.
Only three people asked for refunds, which is just the unbalanced vocal minority, and more than that have flocked to the banner. So, net gain.
Dwarrowdeep is gonna be one for the ages. I mentioned on the ks site that Ed Greenwood has an advanced copy and really likes it. He's writing a foreword for the monochrome version later this year.
Dwarrowdeep is no different than Barrowmaze, Archaia, or HighFell in tone. They all focus on good, solid gaming with not a sniff of unbalanced woke ideology. So, nothing here is news.
I started writing and designing games because I was sick of the wokism in academia over a decade ago. It has gotten much, much worse since then. I made the right decision lol
Edit: I was banned on the rpg.net site after one post. They do enjoy their echo chambers lol
This thread made me look around a bit at your work, and I watched a review on questing beast about Barrowmaze...that looked amazing. I normally do not get in on kickstarters (the deliver dates are never accurate, at least the 3 I backed were not, they were near a year late) but the look of the work I watched on that video...congrats. It certainly looks like Old school personified. You might get me to waffle on my vow to not do any more kickstarters.
As a Bill Maher Democrat, these people piss off more than they do the trumpscum.
There used to be people worthy of being called 'social justice warriors'. People like MLK, who fought for freedom, liberty, justice. People who risked and took beatings by stormtroopers with badges, people who were arrested in parts of America that hated them and wouikd be glad to see them dead. People who put it all on the line and often died for social justice. MLK knew he was going to be murdered and fought to the end. So did Medger Evers. So did the 3 civil rights workers murdered for trying to register blacks to vote in the deep(ly inbred) south.
Those people were heroes, they fought for real causes, they risked their lives, many of them died for good causes.
What the fuck do we have today? Keyboard SJWs trying to boycott a fucking game. People throwing screaming fits over prefered pronouns. Intolerant fanatics vowing to destroy someone's career over a minor opinion.
Quote from: Battlemaster on June 10, 2022, 12:29:11 AM
As a Bill Maher Democrat, these people piss off more than they do the trumpscum.
There used to be people worthy of being called 'social justice warriors'. People like MLK, who fought for freedom, liberty, justice. People who risked and took beatings by stormtroopers with badges, people who were arrested in parts of America that hated them and wouikd be glad to see them dead. People who put it all on the line and often died for social justice. MLK knew he was going to be murdered and fought to the end. So did Medger Evers. So did the 3 civil rights workers murdered for trying to register blacks to vote in the deep(ly inbred) south.
Those people were heroes, they fought for real causes, they risked their lives, many of them died for good causes.
What the fuck do we have today? Keyboard SJWs trying to boycott a fucking game. People throwing screaming fits over prefered pronouns. Intolerant fanatics vowing to destroy someone's career over a minor opinion.
Go tell it to the people who need to hear this like BLM, Antifa, WotC, and the Democrat Party.
This section of the forum is about gaming.
I have told it to them you idiot, that's why I get banned from woke sites.
I love the way he handled that. A good content creator.
Hey Greg,
I don't really post here much -- in fact this is my first post -- but I too prefer that politics and D&D remain separate.
Anway, I wanted to thank you for Barrowmaze... it got my old gaming group back together for the first time in over a decade, during the pandemic. We played Barrowmaze Complete in 5E and it was some of the best gaming in my life! It took us over a year playing weekly on foundry to complete the campaign.
Quote from: kenmckinney on June 11, 2022, 05:25:44 PM
Hey Greg,
I don't really post here much -- in fact this is my first post -- but I too prefer that politics and D&D remain separate.
Anway, I wanted to thank you for Barrowmaze... it got my old gaming group back together for the first time in over a decade, during the pandemic. We played Barrowmaze Complete in 5E and it was some of the best gaming in my life! It took us over a year playing weekly on foundry to complete the campaign.
Normally i'd agree, brah. Sadly in modern 'murka there is no longer any such thing as a non political topic.
Only because this cult says so.
As said many a time. The problem started when we started taking insane people seriously.
SJW: "Everything is Racist Sexist, and Political!"
RPGs: "huh I guess that could be?" (Rather than saying "Thats insane!")
SJW: "You are suffering from Systemic Racism!!!"
RPGs: "Gosh! I didnt even know!" (Rather than saying "Thats insane!")
Quote from: Omega on June 12, 2022, 06:57:54 AM
Only because this cult says so.
As said many a time. The problem started when we started taking insane people seriously.
SJW: "Everything is Racist Sexist, and Political!"
RPGs: "huh I guess that could be?" (Rather than saying "Thats insane!")
SJW: "You are suffering from Systemic Racism!!!"
RPGs: "Gosh! I didnt even know!" (Rather than saying "Thats insane!")
No, it's not just the 'woke', quit trying to blame eveything on them. Yes they're shrill irritating screaming ranting raving bitches (in a non gender sense) that are fanatically intolerant of anything they don't like land frequently create offense where none was meant but they are not the only ones politicising everything.
Human influenced climate change js established fact, the data is conclusive. The realtity is following the models. So science is dismissed as a librul plot to kill capitalism or a Chinese plot to criple American industry.
Trickle down economics only benefits the rich. It hurts everyone else. 40+ years of it's practice in America have proven that conclusively. The right still calls it the 'path to prosperity and ignores the absolutely conclusive evidence as 'that liberal stuff'.
Vaccines save lives. No room for argument. So again you have the never vaxx mogement form the right. Fortunately in this case the consequences of their rejection of reality are mostly falling on them.
So quit saying the woke politicize everything.
Quote from: Gegilles on May 30, 2022, 08:46:17 PMI'm going to disagree, respectfully. John Haidt suggests in his study there are 20 liberal professors in the US academy for every one conservative. I'd anecdotally suggest that number is higher in Canadian higher education. The purpose of the university has been overtaken from knowledge creation to social justice - across the humanities and social sciences particularly. So much so, that undergrads complain that all their courses are the same. Universities no longer care about the most important form of diversity — viewpoint diversity. This provides little space for conservative or moderate leaning young people with room to discuss their viewpoints openly. It has gone so far left, that professors self-censor for fear of being reported. Imagine that, in supposed institutions of higher learning. There are other facets to this discussion, such as campus climate and federal funding that are also influenced. So, as someone in the trenches, I disagree strongly.
No disagreements on the state of North American (and UK) higher ed, at least based on the second-hand info that reaches me. Not healthy either way you slice it. It is a weird thing to say, but the level of ideological fervor and sheer indoctrination would have looked out of place even in 1970s or 1980s socialist states, which were already trying to de-politicise their universities, and looked at activist types as arsonists and trouble-makers. (With good reason, too.) In the 1990s and 2000s, the liberals and the left
owned most of the major universities over here, but they were mostly just content to quietly enjoy the benefits of being the top dog rather than start an ideological crusade. The state of NA campus culture looks all crazy to me, especially in a seemingly level-headed country like Canada.
I see no simple way out of it except major trust-busting action and defunding the entire identity politics industry on the federal/state level. Whether that is possible at all remains to be seen. Otherwise, you can scratch the surface* but the rot goes too deep to make a difference. It is an ugly situation, and I have no idea how I would react to the state of things as, say, a parent.
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* "Build your own damn colleges" is naive, since these will be attacked and shut down via mob action as easily as anything else.
Quote from: Battlemaster on June 13, 2022, 07:31:11 PM
No, it's not just the 'woke', quit trying to blame eveything on them. Yes they're shrill irritating screaming ranting raving bitches (in a non gender sense) that are fanatically intolerant of anything they don't like land frequently create offense where none was meant but they are not the only ones politicising everything.
Except they do politicize everything at every opportunity. And use it as an indoctrination tool. We've seen this across the board. There is not any corner of media or life now that this iteration has not tried to spread their mental disease to.
And as noted in many a thread. They would not have gained this power without marketing in so many many many venues backing and pushing these agendas. This was the case to a lesser degree in the prior iteration and probably in the one before that. Cut off marketing and they'd lose a huge foothold. And we would see alot less of these idiot decisions companies make.
Our state passed legislation to limit discussion of certain topics like Critical Race Theory & the Leftist professors freaked out, including ones with no connection to such a field in their own "alleged" research, claiming this violated their "academic freedom", meaning their right to indoctrinate with questionable pseudo-intellectual drivel. Luckily, the state legislature ignored them. But then the university assured all of us that "it was purely for optics" at the state level and there would be no change to the hegemonic leftism that infects the university:)
Off to a hearing because I failed a student who plagiarized twice in my class (and I have incontrovertible evidence), but we have to make sure her rights aren't violated and that the penalty is not excessive....
Quote from: Battlemaster on June 13, 2022, 07:31:11 PM
Quote from: Omega on June 12, 2022, 06:57:54 AM
Only because this cult says so.
As said many a time. The problem started when we started taking insane people seriously.
SJW: "Everything is Racist Sexist, and Political!"
RPGs: "huh I guess that could be?" (Rather than saying "Thats insane!")
SJW: "You are suffering from Systemic Racism!!!"
RPGs: "Gosh! I didnt even know!" (Rather than saying "Thats insane!")
No, it's not just the 'woke', quit trying to blame eveything on them. Yes they're shrill irritating screaming ranting raving bitches (in a non gender sense) that are fanatically intolerant of anything they don't like land frequently create offense where none was meant but they are not the only ones politicising everything.
Human influenced climate change js established fact, the data is conclusive. The realtity is following the models. So science is dismissed as a librul plot to kill capitalism or a Chinese plot to criple American industry.
Trickle down economics only benefits the rich. It hurts everyone else. 40+ years of it's practice in America have proven that conclusively. The right still calls it the 'path to prosperity and ignores the absolutely conclusive evidence as 'that liberal stuff'.
Vaccines save lives. No room for argument. So again you have the never vaxx mogement form the right. Fortunately in this case the consequences of their rejection of reality are mostly falling on them.
So quit saying the woke politicize everything.
You don't identify as Woke, and this is you trying to bring politics into a Kickstarter thread. So we can say the Woke AND you try to politicize everything.
Quote from: Pat on June 14, 2022, 11:19:43 AM
Quote from: Battlemaster on June 13, 2022, 07:31:11 PM
Quote from: Omega on June 12, 2022, 06:57:54 AM
Only because this cult says so.
As said many a time. The problem started when we started taking insane people seriously.
SJW: "Everything is Racist Sexist, and Political!"
RPGs: "huh I guess that could be?" (Rather than saying "Thats insane!")
SJW: "You are suffering from Systemic Racism!!!"
RPGs: "Gosh! I didnt even know!" (Rather than saying "Thats insane!")
No, it's not just the 'woke', quit trying to blame eveything on them. Yes they're shrill irritating screaming ranting raving bitches (in a non gender sense) that are fanatically intolerant of anything they don't like land frequently create offense where none was meant but they are not the only ones politicising everything.
Human influenced climate change js established fact, the data is conclusive. The realtity is following the models. So science is dismissed as a librul plot to kill capitalism or a Chinese plot to criple American industry.
Trickle down economics only benefits the rich. It hurts everyone else. 40+ years of it's practice in America have proven that conclusively. The right still calls it the 'path to prosperity and ignores the absolutely conclusive evidence as 'that liberal stuff'.
Vaccines save lives. No room for argument. So again you have the never vaxx mogement form the right. Fortunately in this case the consequences of their rejection of reality are mostly falling on them.
So quit saying the woke politicize everything.
You don't identify as Woke, and this is you trying to bring politics into a Kickstarter thread. So we can say the Woke AND you try to politicize everything.
Yes, he's so far off topic my eyes roll at his nonsense.
Quote from: Battlemaster on June 13, 2022, 07:31:11 PM
Quote from: Omega on June 12, 2022, 06:57:54 AM
Only because this cult says so.
As said many a time. The problem started when we started taking insane people seriously.
SJW: "Everything is Racist Sexist, and Political!"
RPGs: "huh I guess that could be?" (Rather than saying "Thats insane!")
SJW: "You are suffering from Systemic Racism!!!"
RPGs: "Gosh! I didnt even know!" (Rather than saying "Thats insane!")
No, it's not just the 'woke', quit trying to blame eveything on them. Yes they're shrill irritating screaming ranting raving bitches (in a non gender sense) that are fanatically intolerant of anything they don't like land frequently create offense where none was meant but they are not the only ones politicising everything.
Human influenced climate change js established fact, the data is conclusive. The realtity is following the models. So science is dismissed as a librul plot to kill capitalism or a Chinese plot to criple American industry.
Trickle down economics only benefits the rich. It hurts everyone else. 40+ years of it's practice in America have proven that conclusively. The right still calls it the 'path to prosperity and ignores the absolutely conclusive evidence as 'that liberal stuff'.
Vaccines save lives. No room for argument. So again you have the never vaxx mogement form the right. Fortunately in this case the consequences of their rejection of reality are mostly falling on them.
So quit saying the woke politicize everything.
Battlemaster, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this if you can explain what anthropogenic climate change, trickle down economics, and vaccines have to do with a role-playing game Kickstarter that has freaked out the woke.
jeff37923,
He said trickle down economics. That is enough to let me know he's most likely a troll. That or he's an idiot. I doubt he can give you any intelligent answer.
Quote from: Jason Coplen on June 16, 2022, 09:59:28 PM
jeff37923,
He said trickle down economics. That is enough to let me know he's most likely a troll. That or he's an idiot. I doubt he can give you any intelligent answer.
I'm not really expecting an intelligent answer. I just want to see what he uses as a justification.
Quote from: jeff37923 on June 17, 2022, 06:28:14 AM
Quote from: Jason Coplen on June 16, 2022, 09:59:28 PM
jeff37923,
He said trickle down economics. That is enough to let me know he's most likely a troll. That or he's an idiot. I doubt he can give you any intelligent answer.
I'm not really expecting an intelligent answer. I just want to see what he uses as a justification.
Well he can always call on that old Tiny Toons episode where they mention Trickle Down economics? 8)
Really cool to see a creator standing up like this. Particularly chiming in here on the forums as well.
I don't support Kickstarter for various reasons (their political stances, their model, late products, etc), but I will be looking for the finished product.
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on May 25, 2022, 08:08:20 PM
I think it would be cool if we had a 'woke free' logo of some kind. Similar to the OSR logo (or like Pepsi free) so like-minded people could fly the flag so-to-speak.
Be good to send a signal to everyone to say that it can be done, and it might also encourage people who are on the fence or worried about repercussions.
I would put a "woke-free" symbol on my products. Probably not with the word "woke", but something to that effect (non-PC or something).
My "Radical High" products, which I heavily research as I write, have a "Wiki-free-dia" certification, stating that Wikipedia was not consulted as a research source, to minimize inaccuracies.
Quote from: Cathode Ray on June 18, 2022, 07:07:58 PM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on May 25, 2022, 08:08:20 PM
I think it would be cool if we had a 'woke free' logo of some kind. Similar to the OSR logo (or like Pepsi free) so like-minded people could fly the flag so-to-speak.
Be good to send a signal to everyone to say that it can be done, and it might also encourage people who are on the fence or worried about repercussions.
I would put a "woke-free" symbol on my products. Probably not with the word "woke", but something to that effect (non-PC or something).
My "Radical High" products, which I heavily research as I write, have a "Wiki-free-dia" certification, stating that Wikipedia was not consulted as a research source, to minimize inaccuracies.
I mean need to start requiring my college students to have that designation on their papers!
Quote from: Cathode Ray on June 18, 2022, 07:07:58 PM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on May 25, 2022, 08:08:20 PM
I think it would be cool if we had a 'woke free' logo of some kind. Similar to the OSR logo (or like Pepsi free) so like-minded people could fly the flag so-to-speak.
Be good to send a signal to everyone to say that it can be done, and it might also encourage people who are on the fence or worried about repercussions.
I would put a "woke-free" symbol on my products. Probably not with the word "woke", but something to that effect (non-PC or something).
My "Radical High" products, which I heavily research as I write, have a "Wiki-free-dia" certification, stating that Wikipedia was not consulted as a research source, to minimize inaccuracies.
Grim Jim already invented such a thing, it's called the M card. Can't find the video where he explains it tho.
Quote from: kenmckinney on June 11, 2022, 05:25:44 PM
Hey Greg,
I don't really post here much -- in fact this is my first post -- but I too prefer that politics and D&D remain separate.
Anway, I wanted to thank you for Barrowmaze... it got my old gaming group back together for the first time in over a decade, during the pandemic. We played Barrowmaze Complete in 5E and it was some of the best gaming in my life! It took us over a year playing weekly on foundry to complete the campaign.
I'm so happy to hear it! Good gaming and friendships (and killing PCs) are what it's supposed to be all about.
Thank you for your support.
book is now out, downloaded it and there goes my Evening. Can't wait to run through the dwarven megadungeon!
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INTRODUCTION
Dwarrowdeep is an exploration-style megadungeon for the Fifth Edition of the world's most popular roleplaying game. Players start with first level characters and continue through mid and high-level play.
Dwarrowdeep begins in the town of Hamelet. Hamelet (called Durnagald by the dwarves) is located in a region known as The Lost Kingdom of Dwarrow, situated in the northern and central aspect of the Northern Reaches.
Over the course of the adventure, players will learn that the duergar, the evil brethren of the mountain dwarves, seek revenge for an ancient blood-feud. From their deep subterranean passages, the duergar laid siege
and conquered Gundgathol - the cradle of dwarven civilization. The mountain dwarves fled Gundgathol to the human town of Hamelet. The duergar and their allies occupied the city and are obsessed with finding,
and desecrating, the Forge of Creation.
Dwarrowdeep is intended to support an extended campaign lasting months and years. The dungeon merges a traditional design within a vast, subterranean, dwarven-themed sandbox and includes opportunities
for exploration and discovery
;D
*crosses fingers*
I just purchased Barrowmaze. I imagine it will be several years before we get to Dwarrowdeep.
I appreciate the support. Thank you.
Just last weekend we finished our "run-up" adventures to Dwarrowdeep. The hope was to get the party to levels 2 or 3 before jumping into this. Well, they lost 3 of the 8 original party members in the first couple sessions. So they added a couple party members before their fourth session. Two more PCs died, so they're back down to 5, but at least they're all 3rd-4th level now. So they may add a hireling or henchman or two. Time to dive in!
Started reading the PDF last night and had a couple of questions:
1. Why is this PDF not linked? Flipping through the book to find "Illustation 1" or "Map 2" was clunky. Most PDF's this large have some hot linking between various topics. Anywhere there's a BOLD reference to something in the appendix a link would help.
2. Cyclopsmen PC Stats: I saw these Krull themed folks and want to play them. Sadly there are no 5E stats that I found for them. That's a shame and wish they were a playable race.
3. How big across the megadungeon? The map seems kind of vague for how many miles across on the surface it is. This is for all it's various parts on the topographical map that was in the included maps section.