The dnd SJWs, and SJWs in general, are entering the late stage decadence of what can be called "Hypernormalization", to borrow a term from the USSR. But the more ridiculous they become, the more dangerous their demands become.
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Cat hair coffee!
I'm with HedgeHobbit. I wish I shared your optimism about the death of the hip wokesters.
Maybe you're right that the MSM has gone too far and the riots will wake up the mushy middle to declare HELL NO! to the SJW nonsense.
Its allways that way. The prior iteration in the 90s and even the one in the 70s and back before my time to the 50s had this. Sooner or later the demands become so loony toon that someone just up and says "No"...
Quote from: Omega;1131857Its allways that way. The prior iteration in the 90s and even the one in the 70s and back before my time to the 50s had this. Sooner or later the demands become so loony toon that someone just up and says "No"...
So they take a mile, take two more, and then somebody says 'No' when they ask for the fourth and get pushed back a mile, and everybody celebrates. And then they do this again 10 years later.
Notice a pattern?
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1131862So they take a mile, take two more, and then somebody says 'No' when they ask for the fourth and get pushed back a mile, and everybody celebrates. And then they do this again 10 years later.
Notice a pattern?
Very notice a pattern. And each iteration has in some way been worse than the last. Not allways in the same ways or venues. But sooner or later it reaches a peak of stupid, then dies down, but you still have damage done somewhere. Because these moral guardians invariably do more harm than any good they claim to have done. Which was usually actually done by people with genuine concerns rather than hallucinations.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1131848Cat hair coffee!
Nah, that's not a problem. You might have noticed I use a vietnamese coffee drip. the cat hair won't get into the coffee.
You got the terrorists wrong: the terrorists are the murderers in uniform, for to long they have killed, beaten and defiled without being held to account. Also while I agree that DnD is multi racial, classical liberalism is not and never has been, the Founding Fathers of the US didn't regard non-whites as fully human, the British Empire was slightly better, but not much, the other European Empires and various global trade corporations of the period where not, it was by Europeans, for Europeans, and even then mostly for already wealthy families, sending out preferably second and subsequent sons to go out and find their fortune, by basically stealing it. It was what it was, and it's not like other civilizations where any different, just less good at it.
Quote from: Taggie;1132041It was what it was, and it's not like other civilizations where any different, just less good at it.
You can look at the other Civilisations and see that is not true. Like them or not the English left more good in their wake then any one else. Who do you think made Slavery illegal and then enforced it?
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1131862So they take a mile, take two more, and then somebody says 'No' when they ask for the fourth and get pushed back a mile, and everybody celebrates. And then they do this again 10 years later.
Notice a pattern?
That's how you get a living culture rather than stagnation. As time goes on values change, we look in horror at the values from the past, things that were once acceptable now aren't while things that were never acceptable are now commonplace.
There is no ideal set of values and ideals, all of your, mine and anyone else's values are just a fad and in 50-100 years people will look back and wonder how it was all acceptable.
Quote from: Altheus;1132057That's how you get a living culture rather than stagnation. As time goes on values change, we look in horror at the values from the past, things that were once acceptable now aren't while things that were never acceptable are now commonplace.
There is no ideal set of values and ideals, all of your, mine and anyone else's values are just a fad and in 50-100 years people will look back and wonder how it was all acceptable.
Are all of these changes a net good? Are any of them destructive of past good? Are they overall destructive of past good? And to what end?
Quote from: RandyB;1132069Are all of these changes a net good? Are any of them destructive of past good? Are they overall destructive of past good? And to what end?
We don't know, we don't get to find out until a generation or two later. Also, there is no general good, just good for individuals or groups. What is good for one can be bad for another.
Quote from: Altheus;1132057That's how you get a living culture rather than stagnation.
I also asked myself this once. 'Is it better to burn out as a culture but have highspots or be long lasting and stagnant?'
And I couldn't come to a decision until I realised that if my ancestors have chosen the former, I wouldn't be here. I owe it to future generations to preserve them good as much as possible. As that is what I have been given.
This shit aint fads. Its how people lived their lives, and managed their communities and kept order and managed some level of harmony in times much more challenging then ours. In our modern nihilistic consumeristic post modernist culture yeah everything is a pointless fad. But to apply this view on the past reeks of arrogance.
Its completly true that in 100 years fart smelling hipsters will skoff at the way we lived our lives. I don't see that as a plus, as much as an example of humanities repeated hubris and unwillingness to learn from its own mistakes
Quote from: Altheus;1132081We don't know, we don't get to find out until a generation or two later. Also, there is no general good, just good for individuals or groups. What is good for one can be bad for another.
Every generation is born as natural barbarians. It is up to a civilization to transmit what makes it a civilization--or eventually expire. If enough of the civilization is transmitted, there is a base from which to build--meaning the next generation might have a fair shot at some improvements to it. You can't improve something you don't understand.
Quote from: Altheus;1132081We don't know, we don't get to find out until a generation or two later. Also, there is no general good, just good for individuals or groups. What is good for one can be bad for another.
Oh. You're one of
those.
Quote from: Shasarak;1132044You can look at the other Civilisations and see that is not true. Like them or not the English left more good in their wake then any one else. Who do you think made Slavery illegal and then enforced it?
The Royal Navy broke the Transatlantic slave trade, the Yongzheng Emperor ended slavery in china in the 1720s [except as a sentence for crimes] (that returned as China started to fragment in the 1800s, in part, but not in total, due to military defeats to both European powers and internal revolts by Christians [with the bloodiest war of the 19th century being the Taiping Rebellion, which was sometimes supported, sometimes not by missionaries]) Toyotomi Hideyoshi ended slavery in Japan [except as a criminal sentence] in 1590, Feodor III converted field slaves to serfs in Russia in 1679 [this is of arguable benefit, and didn't include house slaves] You can look at the Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_abolition_of_slavery_and_serfdom for a serviceable timeline, Europeans did end slavery, but they also introduced it in several cases, and where not the only ones abolishing slavery during the early modern period, also especially the Atlantic Slave trade was among the, if not the, most brutal slavery of the time.
I want to be honest about our history, we were armed robbers writ large.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1132091I also asked myself this once. 'Is it better to burn out as a culture but have highspots or be long lasting and stagnant?'
And I couldn't come to a decision until I realised that if my ancestors have chosen the former, I wouldn't be here. I owe it to future generations to preserve them good as much as possible. As that is what I have been given.
This shit aint fads. Its how people lived their lives, and managed their communities and kept order and managed some level of harmony in times much more challenging then ours. In our modern nihilistic consumeristic post modernist culture yeah everything is a pointless fad. But to apply this view on the past reeks of arrogance.
Its completly true that in 100 years fart smelling hipsters will skoff at the way we lived our lives. I don't see that as a plus, as much as an example of humanities repeated hubris and unwillingness to learn from its own mistakes
is the degradation of millions a price worth paying tho? Coz it seems the ones being asked to pay it don't think so.
Well, they're taking it to Trump like never before.
The Left CAN organize. Across the globe with their allies. They're looking to make Trump look as stupid as possible right now.
And, they're winning.
So, imagine a House and Presidency owned by the Libs with only a conservative Supreme Court to reign them in.
Pundit, it can get ugly for your crew.
Quote from: Theory of Games;1132192Well, they're taking it to Trump like never before.
The Left CAN organize. Across the globe with their allies. They're looking to make Trump look as stupid as possible right now.
And, they're winning.
So, imagine a House and Presidency owned by the Libs with only a conservative Supreme Court to reign them in.
Pundit, it can get ugly for your crew.
The left is a bunch of liars as always. They claiming Russia is fueling these protests when it's their own anti-patriotic shady organizations funding the mindless masses trying to destroy the best country in the world. The army needs to intervine immediately. We are losing NY and PA!
Quote from: Taggie;1132115Is the degradation of millions a price worth paying tho? Coz it seems the ones being asked to pay it don't think so.
Your comparing reality to theory. And from a cushy vantage point only allowed by said ancestors you spit on.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1132220Your comparing reality to theory. And from a cushy vantage point only allowed by said ancestors you spit on.
well gee, I guess I owe a bunch of rampaging thieves, rapists and paedophiles thanks then.....Because their ideological descendants are keeping the rape train going, and calling it conservatism.
Yes because only Conservatives can be evil. No liberal has ever been.
Rolling rolling keep them Narratives rolling...Rawhide.
Quote from: sureshot;1132227Yes because only Conservatives can be evil. No liberal has ever been.
Rolling rolling keep them Narratives rolling...Rawhide.
oh they can be, humans will human after all, just balance of probability says conservatives make a virtue of malicious evil.
Quote from: Taggie;1132041You got the terrorists wrong: the terrorists are the murderers in uniform, for to long they have killed, beaten and defiled without being held to account.
The funny thing about leftists is that no matter how much changes, they still pretend that we live in some sort of fantasy version of the 1950s where cops are just killing people at will all the time.
The fact is, the procedure that the officer used in the Floyd death was approved by the same Democrat leaders that are now encouraging the riots.
Quote from: Taggie;1132229oh they can be, humans will human after all, just balance of probability says conservatives make a virtue of malicious evil.
Given that the one thing the American Left will
never, ever yield an inch on is the absolute right to abortion on demand, preferably with as many people as possible implicated in it and forced to acknowledge it as good, this characterization feels a bit one-sided.
Quote from: hedgehobbit;1132233The funny thing about leftists is that no matter how much changes, they still pretend that we live in some sort of fantasy version of the 1950s where cops are just killing people at will all the time.
The fact is, the procedure that the officer used in the Floyd death was approved by the same Democrat leaders that are now encouraging the riots.
Fuck centrist liberals, what you thought I would like them?
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1131862So they take a mile, take two more, and then somebody says 'No' when they ask for the fourth and get pushed back a mile, and everybody celebrates. And then they do this again 10 years later.
Notice a pattern?
That's why it's called the 'Long March through Academia' or in our case Geekdom. Constant, slowly, inch by inch progress towards their goal of societal transformation. Keep on nudging that 'Overton Window (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window)' till their 'Radical' demands no longer seem radical to the majority.
They often rail on an on about the normalization of violence, or the normalization (or institutionalization) of racism. But they use the very same tactics to enforce their dogmas on the populace.
Quote from: Taggie;1132229oh they can be, humans will human after all, just balance of probability says conservatives make a virtue of malicious evil.
Mr. Floyd was murdered in a city with a Leftist mayor, police chief and district attorney in a state with a leftist governor and legislature and their party has been in power there for decades. The same for all the other cities where riots are breaking out.
New York, California, Chicago, Seattle, Philadelphia, Minnesota, Michigan... none of them have had a conservative in charge of them for decades and that's where all the charges of institutional racism are being levied. Why is it the fault of conservatives who haven't held power in these places since before Jimmy Carter was elected and not the people who've actually been in power there all this time?
All these virtue-signaling game companies have supported the people responsible for overseeing these police forces and now they're trying to pretend the results are actually the fault of their opponents.
Quote from: Chris24601;1132242Mr. Floyd was murdered in a city with a Leftist mayor, police chief and district attorney in a state with a leftist governor and legislature and their party has been in power there for decades. The same for all the other cities where riots are breaking out.
New York, California, Chicago, Seattle, Philadelphia, Minnesota, Michigan... none of them have had a conservative in charge of them for decades and that's where all the charges of institutional racism are being levied. Why is it the fault of conservatives who haven't held power in these places since before Jimmy Carter was elected and not the people who've actually been in power there all this time?
All these virtue-signaling game companies have supported the people responsible for overseeing these police forces and now they're trying to pretend the results are actually the fault of their opponents.
you appear to think that Democrats are anything other than a different flavor of conservative, you have the extreme right Republicans, and the hard to far right Democrats.
Quote from: Taggie;1132243you appear to think that Democrats are anything other than a different flavor of conservative, you have the extreme right Republicans, and the hard to far right Democrats.
Dude, you do you, but if you think the Democrats are on the far right of American politics then please explain why the Democratic Socialist and Green parties can't squeeze out 1% of the vote and why the Republicans hold any offices at all.
If these game companies really wanted to walk the walk in line with what you want they should just give away all their products for free to make up for their white privilege.
Quote from: Chris24601;1132257Dude, you do you, but if you think the Democrats are on the far right of American politics then please explain why the Democratic Socialist and Green parties can't squeeze out 1% of the vote and why the Republicans hold any offices at all.
If these game companies really wanted to walk the walk in line with what you want they should just give away all their products for free to make up for their white privilege.
I said far right, didn't mention 'american politics' politics is a spectrum and you have to asses where parties and policies sit on it in global terms, and right now America is looking as bad or worse than China, at least china isn't exporting it's oppressive violence, they are like black mirror versions of each other, with america hiding it's nature as a one party state slightly better.
Also, no, they should not give their games away for free, people don't need games to live, and for things people do, co-ops, communes and local community businesses are a way better idea.
Good video, and a good central point. I've noticed that SJW mind control is far weaker than it used to be. I remember back in 2006 when the journalist Peter Hitchens interviewed me about 'cultural Marxism', I still had a really strong 'cringe reflex', as if the (soon to be called) SJWs somehow held the moral high ground. Relativey few people on the centre-right still have that reflex I think. The first pushback started 2011-12 with their over-reach around the Obama re-election campaign, and came to fruition in 2016. The SJWs may still occupy most of the physical commanding heights - they still control our society's major power centres - but they have lost any claim to the moral high ground amongst the general population.
Quote from: S'mon;1132280Good video, and a good central point. I've noticed that SJW mind control is far weaker than it used to be. I remember back in 2006 when the journalist Peter Hitchens interviewed me about 'cultural Marxism', I still had a really strong 'cringe reflex', as if the (soon to be called) SJWs somehow held the moral high ground. Relativey few people on the centre-right still have that reflex I think. The first pushback started 2011-12 with their over-reach around the Obama re-election campaign, and came to fruition in 2016. The SJWs may still occupy most of the physical commanding heights - they still control our society's major power centres - but they have lost any claim to the moral high ground amongst the general population.
yup, apparently white nationalism, concentration camps and boasting of rape are now fine with the general population.
Quote from: Taggie;1132282yup, apparently white nationalism, concentration camps and boasting of rape are now fine with the general population.
You go, girl. :D
Quote from: Taggie;1132225well gee, I guess I owe a bunch of rampaging thieves, rapists and paedophiles thanks then.
Yup. A bunch of pedophiles, rapists, and thieves and your only in the position to judge because they did it. This includes every human ever everywhere. Natives or Colonizers all humans pretty much are bastards.
But they are bastards in a bastard world of cruelty. Anybody who says otherwise is a liar or is ignorant.
Through at least a level of cleverness on their part, they created a world where it's easier NOT to be a bastard. And as such I respect them for such actions.
But whatever these words are pearls before swine. You already made up your mind, and your a hero to save the world from evil and all that disagree are vile.
Its a comforting worldview, if paranoid.
Quote from: Taggie;1132041You got the terrorists wrong: the terrorists are the murderers in uniform, for to long they have killed, beaten and defiled without being held to account. Also while I agree that DnD is multi racial, classical liberalism is not and never has been, the Founding Fathers of the US didn't regard non-whites as fully human, the British Empire was slightly better, but not much, the other European Empires and various global trade corporations of the period where not, it was by Europeans, for Europeans, and even then mostly for already wealthy families, sending out preferably second and subsequent sons to go out and find their fortune, by basically stealing it. It was what it was, and it's not like other civilizations where any different, just less good at it.
You're trying to move this off topic. Don't do that.
Quote from: S'mon;1132280Good video, and a good central point. I've noticed that SJW mind control is far weaker than it used to be. I remember back in 2006 when the journalist Peter Hitchens interviewed me about 'cultural Marxism',
Wait... what was that about? Why was Peter Hitchens interviewing you??
Quote from: Taggie;1132268I said far right, didn't mention 'american politics' politics is a spectrum and you have to asses where parties and policies sit on it in global terms, and right now America is looking as bad or worse than China, at least china isn't exporting it's oppressive violence, they are like black mirror versions of each other, with america hiding it's nature as a one party state slightly better.
Pundit makes a video about how SJW are forced to say they believe an bunch of facts that are clearly and obviously untrue .... and you think you'll refute him by stating a bunch of facts that are clearly and obviously untrue.
Quote from: hedgehobbit;1132311Pundit makes a video about how SJW are forced to say they believe an bunch of facts that are clearly and obviously untrue .... and you think you'll refute him by stating a bunch of facts that are clearly and obviously untrue.
nope, I replied with a total and simple truth, US politics is hyper right wing, with minimal differences between the alleged parties, one is a religious corpocratic party, the other is a slightly more secular corpocratic party, no differences on things that actually matter. As to their response to being challenged: just look at he open psychotic violence ongoing by police, the mass arrests, kettling, mutilations etc, then compare with what is going on in Hong Kong (with the Chi-Coms having become a different flavor of corpocratic, Party and Military Corpocratic, perhaps, someone really needs to do a dissertation on what we can deduce of the actual power structures in that system) and you find far less arrests, fewer deaths, and fewer beatings in HK than you do in the US. Both systems are completely fucked up, and they are looking more similar by the day. AS to exporting it's systems, have you not been looking at the world for the past 20 years? Hell, the last century in some places (hello the Monroe doctrine), lots of lovely little psychos getting US backing for being 'anti what ever it is this month'. The US isn't uniquely terrible, just acting like a hegemonic power, but it isn't exceptional in any way.
Quote from: Taggie;1132113The Royal Navy broke the Transatlantic slave trade, the Yongzheng Emperor ended slavery in china in the 1720s [except as a sentence for crimes] (that returned as China started to fragment in the 1800s, in part, but not in total, due to military defeats to both European powers and internal revolts by Christians [with the bloodiest war of the 19th century being the Taiping Rebellion, which was sometimes supported, sometimes not by missionaries]) Toyotomi Hideyoshi ended slavery in Japan [except as a criminal sentence] in 1590, Feodor III converted field slaves to serfs in Russia in 1679 [this is of arguable benefit, and didn't include house slaves] You can look at the Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_abolition_of_slavery_and_serfdom for a serviceable timeline, Europeans did end slavery, but they also introduced it in several cases, and where not the only ones abolishing slavery during the early modern period, also especially the Atlantic Slave trade was among the, if not the, most brutal slavery of the time.
I want to be honest about our history, we were armed robbers writ large.
Of course Government is backed by the gun, just try not paying your "taxes" and see how well that goes for you.
Like Winston Churchill said "democracy is the worst form of government except in comparison to every other one"
And so, to tie this into Hypernormalisation, you have Feminists working with Fundementalist Muslims to bring down the very thing that allowed Feminists in the first place.
Quote from: Taggie;1132041You got the terrorists wrong: the terrorists are the murderers in uniform, for to long they have killed, beaten and defiled without being held to account.
We need an opt-out service for 911.
Everyone with this attitude should be unable to call those "murderers in uniform". Maybe BLM will come to your rescue instead?
Quote from: Theory of Games;1132192Well, they're taking it to Trump like never before.
The Left CAN organize. Across the globe with their allies. They're looking to make Trump look as stupid as possible right now.
And, they're winning.
So, imagine a House and Presidency owned by the Libs with only a conservative Supreme Court to reign them in.
Pundit, it can get ugly for your crew.
You might be 100% right, but we are a long way from November. Who knows what fun new disaster we'll all enjoy this summer and fall?
Also, "they're winning" has been the media's story during the Russia hoax and the Impeachment hoax and Trump's popularity went up instead.
As for this "winning", we'll see how the silent majority really feels about the riots and destruction come November. Who knows? Maybe they'll vote in Dementia JoJo? Maybe the 24/7 corporate and celebrity virtue signalling will work this time? It's quite possible.
As for "across the globe", nobody outside of the Left gives a fuck. We barely even teach geography in schools!
If the Left controls the House and Presidency, things will get ugly for everyone.
But let's remember hasn't been a TV debate yet between Trump Monster vs Sniffy Joe.
Another topic which appears to have nothing to do with D&D specifically, which is being used as a thin excuse to talk about a non-RPG political topic?
Lovely. Because this message board needs more political commentary behind a thin veil of RPGs which gets dismissed almost immediately.
Mistwell, I agree with you. However, RPGPundit feels "RPG's role in the culture war" belongs in the main forum. It's important to him and it's his website.
A few months ago, I suggested members create threads with "Thread Topic Name [No Politics]" as the title and then as OP, stomp on anyone (including and perhaps especially me) who brings real world political issues into that thread.
Please start such a thread. I'm sure there are many members who want RPG only talk and threads without any politics. And that's the beauty of theRPGsite, any member can start any kind of thread and as OP, they can go full bore shitlord on anyone who derails their thread.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1132354We need an opt-out service for 911.
1)Everyone with this attitude should be unable to call those "murderers in uniform". Maybe BLM will come to your rescue instead?
2)
But let's remember hasn't been a TV debate yet between Trump Monster vs Sniffy Joe.
1) I have never, and will never call the police, or aid them in anyway, that I am not legally coerced into doing. 40years and counting.
2) what a shit show that will be.
This thread needs to stay on topic. The topic is my video, the D&D SWJs, or the concept of "hypernormalization".
Quote from: RPGPundit;1132371This thread needs to stay on topic. The topic is my video, the D&D SWJs, or the concept of "hypernormalization".
Ok then: Having seen my local FLGS, I would say that yes, it was not a place that welcomes women, at all, creepy sweaty handsy nerds, who wont accept that a woman may actually know the rules are the majority, but then, they where the reason I stopped going, so it may have changed (doubt it tho), does that make all DnD that way? Nope, just look at who wrote the early settings, and amongst them we find Dragonlance, which while being really 80s in some of it's tropes (to which, durr it was written in the 80s) actually has female characters who manage to be, while not 3d, more than 'romance' sub plot trophies. DnD was a product of it's time, and that time was pretty damn unpleasant.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1131862So they take a mile, take two more, and then somebody says 'No' when they ask for the fourth and get pushed back a mile, and everybody celebrates. And then they do this again 10 years later.
Notice a pattern?
Ea, who inadvertently brought forth Tiamat (chaos) in Sumerian mythology, can be seen as a representation of that part of humanity eternally and ignorantly contemptuous of tradition and willing to undermine or destroy the past without understanding its necessity or nature (Maps of Meaning, Jordan Peterson, p. 116).
This contempt is played by Set in Egyptian mythology, and Satan in Christianity -- it is the Snake in the Garden of Eden that tempts Eve, in the same way that the feminist movement makes false promises to women, in the end leaving them bitter and filled with hate. Regardless of what it is called, like Sauron in LotR, it initially appears in a pleasing form. Currently it comes wrapped in the rainbow flag promising perpetual peace, but as the masks come off it is only the ancient contempt bringing hate, violence, and chaos, and as always people are horrified and they turn away. In the future it will come again, once again in a pleasing form to mesmerize the masses. Always the common theme is contempt for tradition and a sweet promise of utopia, and by that it can be recognized.
Quote from: Taggie;1132387Ok then: Having seen my local FLGS, I would say that yes, it was not a place that welcomes women, at all, creepy sweaty handsy nerds, who wont accept that a woman may actually know the rules are the majority, but then, they where the reason I stopped going, so it may have changed (doubt it tho), does that make all DnD that way? Nope, just look at who wrote the early settings, and amongst them we find Dragonlance, which while being really 80s in some of it's tropes (to which, durr it was written in the 80s) actually has female characters who manage to be, while not 3d, more than 'romance' sub plot trophies. DnD was a product of it's time, and that time was pretty damn unpleasant.
And a local knitting store is not a place that welcomes (heterosexual) men. Men and women traditionally have separate dominance hierarchies. The demolishment of the female hierarchies by feminists has forced women into having to compete in male dominance hierarchies where, not surprisingly, they do very poorly.
I know plenty of girls that want to be wives and mothers, not CEOs and engineers, (and they prefer story role-playing and cosplay to war-gaming) but they're afraid to say it openly for fear of being mocked and ridiculed by feminists, who are just as bigoted and hateful as they claim men are, bitter over their own infertility and the loss of their youth to hollow pursuits.
Quote from: Cloyer Bulse;1132391Ea, who inadvertently brought forth Tiamat (chaos) in Sumerian mythology, can be seen as a representation of that part of humanity eternally and ignorantly contemptuous of tradition and willing to undermine or destroy the past without understanding it's necessity or nature (Maps of Meaning, Jordan Peterson, p. 116).
This contempt is played by Set in Egyptian mythology, and Satan in Christianity -- it is the Snake in the Garden of Eden that tempts Eve, in the same way that the feminist movement makes false promises to women, in the end leaving them bitter and filled with hate. Regardless of what it is called, like Sauron in LotR, it initially appears in a pleasing form. Currently it comes wrapped in the rainbow flag promising perpetual peace, but as the masks come off it is only the ancient contempt bringing hate, violence, and chaos, and as always people are horrified and they turn away. In the future it will come again, once again in a pleasing form to mesmerize the masses. Always the common theme is contempt for tradition and a sweet promise of utopia, and by that it can be recognized.
And a local knitting store is not a place that welcomes (heterosexual) men. Men and women traditionally have separate dominance hierarchies. The demolishment of the female hierarchies by feminists has forced women into having to compete in male dominance hierarchies where, not surprisingly, they do very poorly.
I know plenty of girls that want to be wives and mothers, not CEOs and engineers, (and they prefer story role-playing and cosplay to war-gaming) but they're afraid to say it openly for fear of being mocked and ridiculed by feminists, who are just as bigoted and hateful as they claim men are, bitter over their own infertility and the loss of their youth to hollow pursuits.
You lost all credibility when you referenced that malicious rape apologist Peterson, he who tries to gaslight women back into accepting the 'traditional' model of extreme domestic violence and subjugation, while using the rape, violence and sadism of the bible as his examples, and to turn men into the biblical ideal of a mass murdering serial rapist, ala the Deutoronomy/Lveiticus exmples, seriously how many hundred million have to die before that sick filth gets placed where it belongs, on the same self as mein kampf and maos little red book.
And you know some women who want to be beaten senseless by 'alpha' males and used as rape toys , well done, they need serious help.
Quote from: Omega;1131975Very notice a pattern. And each iteration has in some way been worse than the last. Not allways in the same ways or venues. But sooner or later it reaches a peak of stupid, then dies down, but you still have damage done somewhere. Because these moral guardians invariably do more harm than any good they claim to have done. Which was usually actually done by people with genuine concerns rather than hallucinations.
The problem is that NORMAL people can't wait to forget and move on, while these people pretend to forget and move on, but they come back a decade or two later to resume the revolution.
SJW/Commit ideas are mental viruses. Their only cure is light, information, and ridicule. SO MUCH RIDICULE. Gotta bury them under a mountain of the stuff!
Quote from: Godspar Games;1132400The problem is that NORMAL people can't wait to forget and move on, while these people pretend to forget and move on, but they come back a decade or two later to resume the revolution.
SJW/Commit ideas are mental viruses. Their only cure is light, information, and ridicule. SO MUCH RIDICULE. Gotta bury them under a mountain of the stuff!
where as conservatism is simply what it always has been, the carrier virus for child abuse. Why do you thing open paedophiles have started running in republican primaries? or chrisitians are so much more likely than anyone else to rape kids? Until and unless that huge elephant in the room is addressed, that prolific, metastasis philosophy of relentless abuse, whether that be the attempts to bring back 'traditional' family values (a mans family is his property, powerless in front on his abuse and rage) or the campaigns to defund Planned Parenthood (need more kids to attack, the rabid priests are near breaking their chains, hiding the half eaten corpses is getting difficult) every fake tear about the made up evils of those who resist is laughable.
Quote from: Taggie;1132406where as conservatism is simply what it always has been, the carrier virus for child abuse. Why do you thing open paedophiles have started running in republican primaries? or chrisitians are so much more likely than anyone else to rape kids? Until and unless that huge elephant in the room is addressed, that prolific, metastasis philosophy of relentless abuse, whether that be the attempts to bring back 'traditional' family values (a mans family is his property, powerless in front on his abuse and rage) or the campaigns to defund Planned Parenthood (need more kids to attack, the rabid priests are near breaking their chains, hiding the half eaten corpses is getting difficult) every fake tear about the made up evils of those who resist is laughable.
If conservatism is the carrier virus for child abuse, then leftism is the actual act of child abuse itself. Hollywood and the entertainment industry are almost monolithically leftist and treat pedophilia as a pastime. The Clintons and their inner circle (including Oprah and other leftist figureheads) are guilty of horrific crimes against children. God only knows what those people got up to on Epstein's pedophile island.
And while I agree that the Catholic Church has a MAJOR pedophile problem, keep in mind that far more teachers commit child abuse than priests. Teachers, again, skewing overwhelmingly to the left.
I'm glad we agree that pedophilia is terrible and we'd probably also agree that anyone that molests or abuses children should have their hands hacked off and then fed to them. But I think you need to calm down, pull the plank out of your eye, and take stock in your surroundings.
Cheers.
Quote from: Godspar Games;1132410And while I agree that the Catholic Church has a MAJOR pedophile problem, keep in mind that far more teachers commit child abuse than priests..
And a lot of that problem came out of people in the Church accepting the progressive narratives of the late 60s to early 80s--"man-boy love isn't such a big deal," "therapy can cure all these problems," and "we shouldn't ruin people's lives over innocent mistakes." (There was a lot of the old 'protect the Church's reputation' in there too, of course.)
To try and bring this back on topic, there have been such problems in the RPG industry as well, and I don't think they've been uniquely conservative. In fact, I'm not sure there
are that many conservatives in the hobby--those who speak up on politics are predominantly some variety of left-winger, followed by libertarians or quasi-libertarians like Pundit. Traditionalist conservatives are rare, mysterious, and viewed with superstitious terror. :)
Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1132412And a lot of that problem came out of people in the Church accepting the progressive narratives of the late 60s to early 80s--"man-boy love isn't such a big deal," "therapy can cure all these problems," and "we shouldn't ruin people's lives over innocent mistakes." (There was a lot of the old 'protect the Church's reputation' in there too, of course.)
To try and bring this back on topic, there have been such problems in the RPG industry as well, and I don't think they've been uniquely conservative. In fact, I'm not sure there are that many conservatives in the hobby--those who speak up on politics are predominantly some variety of left-winger, followed by libertarians or quasi-libertarians like Pundit. Traditionalist conservatives are rare, mysterious, and viewed with superstitious terror. :)
I think part of the reason that traditional conservatives are a rare sighting is because they're a rare breed; a modern "conservative" is a Kennedy-era liberal: rights and freedoms for everyone, gay people are fine, racism and sexism are for dickheads, a more prosperous and free people is a more prosperous and free country. Women dont belong in the kitchen. No race is superior. Show up, act like you've been here before, and work. Walk the center line, be good and helpful, speak the truth. Also watch out for commies.
The culture is veering left, which is why most comments come from that direction. And thats unfortunate if youre someone like me that likes to hear a diversity of opinions and viewpoints.
Crazy times!
Quote from: Taggie;1132387Ok then: Having seen my local FLGS, I would say that yes, it was not a place that welcomes women, at all, creepy sweaty handsy nerds, who wont accept that a woman may actually know the rules are the majority, but then, they where the reason I stopped going, so it may have changed (doubt it tho), does that make all DnD that way? Nope, just look at who wrote the early settings, and amongst them we find Dragonlance, which while being really 80s in some of it's tropes (to which, durr it was written in the 80s) actually has female characters who manage to be, while not 3d, more than 'romance' sub plot trophies. DnD was a product of it's time, and that time was pretty damn unpleasant.
The best game store in my area, Game Empire in Pasadena, was very welcoming to women. One strategy they used for this is a separate, marked Women's room in addition to a Men's room for the restrooms.
Unfortunately, the owner died, and his spouse took over suddenly and then the businesses was hit by the shutdowns from Covid-19, and that was just too much for their savings to handle. So the store just shut down. Which is a shame because for many reasons it was the best in the area.
The polar opposite of welcoming to women was the highly old school Aero Hobbies and Games. It was dark and closer to a dungeon than a store. It was also awesome for many reasons. And it ALSO shut down fairly recently.
So the two best game stores in my region shut down in the past 6 months, for different reasons.
And now I am sad.
Don't waste time with trolls or people that already made up their minds.
At least on internet imageboards.
Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1132412And a lot of that problem came out of people in the Church accepting the progressive narratives of the late 60s to early 80s
I think the problem began earlier than that, around 1900 I think it was, when the Church cracked down on priests sleeping with their Housekeepers!
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1132418Don't waste time with trolls or people that already made up their minds.
At least on internet imageboards.
Wisdom of the ages, to be added to "never get involved in a land war in Asia and never get involved with a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line".
Quote from: Taggie;1132406where as conservatism is simply what it always has been, the carrier virus for child abuse. Why do you thing open paedophiles have started running in republican primaries? or chrisitians are so much more likely than anyone else to rape kids? Until and unless that huge elephant in the room is addressed, that prolific, metastasis philosophy of relentless abuse, whether that be the attempts to bring back 'traditional' family values (a mans family is his property, powerless in front on his abuse and rage) or the campaigns to defund Planned Parenthood (need more kids to attack, the rabid priests are near breaking their chains, hiding the half eaten corpses is getting difficult) every fake tear about the made up evils of those who resist is laughable.
And here we have another example of Hypernormative behavior; spreading the lie that Christians are more likely to commit pedophilia than other segments of the population.
The statistics from actual government institutions and crime statistics show that Christians are no more likely than any other segment of the population to commit such crimes.
But the SJW/Left needs to tell itself that IT alone is the truly moral force in the world and that all other institutions are corrupt and evil, in order to justify their efforts to tear them down. The Church, like the family, is one of the primary obstacles to the larger goal of making everyone dependent upon the State... and so the Left blows cases out of proportion (i.e. reports every case of abuse by the Church while ignoring cases within the secular schools and child welfare services systems).
I don't expect this to convince Taggie; they've clearly been indoctrinated by a lifetime of exposure to the SJW agenda to the point that they feel the Democrat party is a far right conservative organization; but for those reading who haven't been so completely brainwashed, its yet another case where the Left is trying to sell the lie that they are the only moral force in the world and that even as they support the irreversible sexual mutilation of children in the name of gender identity and elements of it for the recognition of pedophilia as a valid sexual orientation (see Here (https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2017/06/17/salon-deleted-its-articles-defending-pedophilia-but-the-bbc-is-picking-up-the-slack/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=dffe9dedde62a6f71291d8766f23bfa5e3f64af5-1591199235-0-AUJIMCySdm2zfojMHMbaCGYtLMmKaHImPjapvcorN9cayq67JJd5I3mIxhZrrnRcOH1Wq2T0aCBx7wAhCKqUKkaQXrDN3RUhRIw6eNRH0_NSes8Z7ghOF8VVtHBfX-pVD2iqDH7LqExHEUPiDIRkTcZL09vTs0hV4nThN0rdiO0Vw1AJ1MAUYt_df0JfPCzxiLI-lgrrfL-GIxuuxMILPpGoaOfv--9-UjsYCE3avKU9MI2vnHetWCuvQfpW0ADjNgXsOiyEg-uITyg9-XPDyXo7pQAI4BgdwcmPV6SncRSUp365Pks3cCSUv8diE-r_q99G_XQ7oE2rDVAJ9HztD2aXe_YKq_8A-nBC3TR0JnwVFtai9--7MgMHiyU2b_kpWcmjI1jaOoM9zaUUuJY0BCHVkipEE9nESLbJQrD_cTgr) for an article on it).
Hypernormative SJW logic... Christians are monsters because of Pedophilia, but Pedophilia needs to be understood as just another type of gender identity, not vilified.
Quote from: Taggie;1132387Ok then: Having seen my local FLGS, I would say that yes, it was not a place that welcomes women, at all, creepy sweaty handsy nerds, who wont accept that a woman may actually know the rules are the majority, but then, they where the reason I stopped going, so it may have changed (doubt it tho), does that make all DnD that way? Nope, just look at who wrote the early settings, and amongst them we find Dragonlance, which while being really 80s in some of it's tropes (to which, durr it was written in the 80s) actually has female characters who manage to be, while not 3d, more than 'romance' sub plot trophies. DnD was a product of it's time, and that time was pretty damn unpleasant.
Yeah, those creepy sweaty handsy nerds that you treat with utter dehumanizing contempt, yet the problem is 100% on them and they're somehow the evil bad guys gatekeeping womynz from gaming cuz they tried to help you or asked you if you know the rules, same way they would when dealing with other male nerds. But when they talk to a womyn about the rules, it's obviously cuz they can't fathom womynz knowing how to read. Obviously this isn't you projecting your own insecurities into a group in society that is perfectly acceptable to crap on and treat like subhuman garbage. It's them exercising their male privilege from the basement they were forced to hide from the cool kids that would stick them in a locker. This totally isn't you looking down on your lessers for daring to speak with someone above their station.
And basically every single old school D&D setting had prominent female characters that were more than just a romantic plot. In fact I can't remember a single female character in the entire history of D&D that was only there as a romantic interest for the dominant male hero. That's not even the point of the game. D&D is primarily about powerful heroes, not romantic plots. Every single time they include a significant female character in a setting or story they give her some class abilities and have her do heroic stuff.
Even when there was romantic interest involved female characters always pulled their own weight, if not outright pwn everyone. In Dark Sun they had Sadira, who was romantically involved with BOTH major male characters (Rikus, the most famous gladiator in the setting, and Agis of Asticles, a prominent nobleman with powerful psionic abilities). At the same time. And they were basically forced to accept that she was an empowered woman who could fuck whatever guy she liked. By the end of the series she was literally the most powerful hero in the entire saga, drawing energy from the sun to power her magic and the only one who could seriously hurt the Dragon of Athas who was the most powerful being in the entire setting.
Forgotten Realms had the Seven Sisters, Catti-Brie, and literally dozens of other prominent female characters from dozens of books I didn't even had time to read cuz the setting had so many of them. Where the fuck were these female characters who were there only as romantic subplots?
Quote from: Chris24601;1132421And here we have another example of Hypernormative behavior; spreading the lie that Christians are more likely to commit pedophilia than other segments of the population.
The statistics from actual government institutions and crime statistics show that Christians are no more likely than any other segment of the population to commit such crimes.
But the SJW/Left needs to tell itself that IT alone is the truly moral force in the world and that all other institutions are corrupt and evil, in order to justify their efforts to tear them down. The Church, like the family, is one of the primary obstacles to the larger goal of making everyone dependent upon the State... and so the Left blows cases out of proportion (i.e. reports every case of abuse by the Church while ignoring cases within the secular schools and child welfare services systems).
I don't expect this to convince Taggie; they've clearly been indoctrinated by a lifetime of exposure to the SJW agenda to the point that they feel the Democrat party is a far right conservative organization; but for those reading who haven't been so completely brainwashed, its yet another case where the Left is trying to sell the lie that they are the only moral force in the world and that even as they support the irreversible sexual mutilation of children in the name of gender identity and elements of it for the recognition of pedophilia as a valid sexual orientation (see Here (https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2017/06/17/salon-deleted-its-articles-defending-pedophilia-but-the-bbc-is-picking-up-the-slack/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=dffe9dedde62a6f71291d8766f23bfa5e3f64af5-1591199235-0-AUJIMCySdm2zfojMHMbaCGYtLMmKaHImPjapvcorN9cayq67JJd5I3mIxhZrrnRcOH1Wq2T0aCBx7wAhCKqUKkaQXrDN3RUhRIw6eNRH0_NSes8Z7ghOF8VVtHBfX-pVD2iqDH7LqExHEUPiDIRkTcZL09vTs0hV4nThN0rdiO0Vw1AJ1MAUYt_df0JfPCzxiLI-lgrrfL-GIxuuxMILPpGoaOfv--9-UjsYCE3avKU9MI2vnHetWCuvQfpW0ADjNgXsOiyEg-uITyg9-XPDyXo7pQAI4BgdwcmPV6SncRSUp365Pks3cCSUv8diE-r_q99G_XQ7oE2rDVAJ9HztD2aXe_YKq_8A-nBC3TR0JnwVFtai9--7MgMHiyU2b_kpWcmjI1jaOoM9zaUUuJY0BCHVkipEE9nESLbJQrD_cTgr) for an article on it).
Hypernormative SJW logic... Christians are monsters because of Pedophilia, but Pedophilia needs to be understood as just another type of gender identity, not vilified.
The Catholic Churchs own studies put offending among Christians at 5%, among priests at 8-10% and among the general population at around 0.13%, but nice try. But then what can you expect of an ideology based on the bible, where the lord of infinite space rapes a child, and the reward of war is prepubescent sex slaves...? Apart from thous shalt not murder and thou shalt not steal, their is zero of moral worth in that disgusting rape cult, but hey, keep holding toddlers down for the priests to reenact the blessed conception...
Quote from: Taggie;1132423The Catholic Churchs own studies put offending among Christians at 5%, among priests at 8-10% and among the general population at around 0.13%, but nice try.
Citation. Needed. Those figures are so far out of line with
everything I've ever heard that I think you must be misreading them, especially since if they were true, all the other enemies of the Church would be throwing them in our face every single chance they got.
Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1132426Citation. Needed. Those figures are so far out of line with everything I've ever heard that I think you must be misreading them, especially since if they were true, all the other enemies of the Church would be throwing them in our face every single chance they got.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-38877158 https://home.crin.org/issues/sexual-violence/australia-case-study-clergy-abuse Those are reports on a completed study, admittedly in Australia, will find more reports when I have more time. Also find here the Royal Commission Report https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/ having trouble finding the American churches own study, (Which may be me forgetting the name, or it may have been taken down)
Quote from: Taggie;1132423The Catholic Churchs own studies put offending among Christians at 5%, among priests at 8-10% and among the general population at around 0.13%, but nice try.
There's lies, damned lies and statistics.
You're comparing authorities in the Catholic Church to the general population instead of to authorities in other institutions (whereas general population of Christians to general population overall would show equivalent ratios... power, such as a teacher has over a student is often a key factor in enabling their abuse).
A 2004 US Department of Education study found that 10% of students enrolled in public school have been molested by a teacher. In the same time span in 2014 that just seven Catholic priests were accused there were 275 accusations levied against public school teachers... but those don't get covered because that hurts the Left's agenda of vilification for heterosexual white male Christians and anything that those segments of the population enjoy; sports, video games, sci-fi/fantasy and RPGs.
But again, this is the SJW Hypernormativity, telling lies that are demonstrably false to tell itself that their agenda is good and noble... and you certainly won't be convinced because you've been trained your whole life to accept those Leftist lies as the proof and to dismiss any counter argument as illegitimate because it comes from a non-Leftist.
The same SJWs who claim that RPGs are bad because orcs represent [insert flavor of the month minority here] and those RPGs glorify killing said orcs will also release projects vilifying actual white males (ex. whites in the latest CoC system being so racist that they will ignore their own safety to try and kill minorities when in their presence).
So vilification of groups is wrong... except when SJWs do it.
That's the figures for alleged abuse, and given the witch hunt situation in Australia that we saw with Pell's case, those could be higher or lower than the ones found credible. And I'm not seeing anything to support your "Christians vs. non-Christians" figure, which was the real headscratcher, unless I was misreading and you meant '5% of Christians over,all but only 0.13% of the laity,' which seems impossible since the priesthood numbers as either abusers or percentage of the population aren't high enough to cause such a disparity.
Quote from: Taggie;1132392You lost all credibility when you referenced that malicious rape apologist Peterson, he who tries to gaslight women back into accepting the 'traditional' model of extreme domestic violence and subjugation, while using the rape, violence and sadism of the bible as his examples, and to turn men into the biblical ideal of a mass murdering serial rapist, ala the Deutoronomy/Lveiticus exmples, seriously how many hundred million have to die before that sick filth gets placed where it belongs, on the same self as mein kampf and maos little red book.
And you know some women who want to be beaten senseless by 'alpha' males and used as rape toys , well done, they need serious help.
This is the text book example of hypernormalisation. You say something so outrageously false that it surves as a purity test for everyone else that knows the truth.
Taggie, we've seen trolls like you here before and quite frankly, you are weak sauce. You must try harder!
Quote from: Shasarak;1132447This is the text book example of hypernormalisation. You say something so outrageously false that it surves as a purity test for everyone else that knows the truth.
Kinda scary that in trying to disprove Pundits point, he proves Pundits point, by being the point. And is thus... pointless...
Quote from: Mistwell;1132416The best game store in my area, Game Empire in Pasadena, was very welcoming to women. One strategy they used for this is a separate, marked Women's room in addition to a Men's room for the restrooms.
Very sad to hear Game Empire is toast. They were a great store, perhaps the best FLGS in California, and the owner Chuck was a really good guy and knew how to run a friendly business. But since the bathrooms were single person, they could have easily been unisex. That said, the girl's potty was always cleaner so I used that one.
Quote from: Mistwell;1132416The polar opposite of welcoming to women was the highly old school Aero Hobbies and Games. It was dark and closer to a dungeon than a store.
Aero was welcoming to nobody!! No surprise they went down (but they've been there since the 1960s), but I heard the problem was huge rent hike combined with hobby sales being devoured by online. Their big problem was a tight space that couldn't host games. Back when I lived on the Westside, we had an Aero group that met at an old half abandoned diner across the street.
Have you checked out PAPER HEROS in Sherman Oaks? It's been around a couple years and has game tables. I prefer it immensely over Geeky Teas in Burbank which is run by the lamest knuckleheads. But I have no idea if either is open during CoronaChan.
https://www.yelp.com/biz/paper-heros-games-los-angeles
Quote from: jeff37923;1132453Taggie, we've seen trolls like you here before and quite frankly, you are weak sauce. You must try harder!
The whole riots situation seems to have summoned up a handful of new trolls to the site. I for one, find them rather cute. Like a toothless cat trying to gum someone's ankles.
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1132512The whole riots situation seems to have summoned up a handful of new trolls to the site. I for one, find them rather cute. Like a toothless cat trying to gum someone's ankles.
sadly yes, we are slipping back into abrahamic barbarism, bloodlust and tyranny. They have never seen a war that they don't like, a genocide they wont join in on, or a rape they don't want to wank over. the hypernoramilisation of 'traditional' marriage, that total ownership of family, and horrific abuse of any dissent being gas lighted into a moral good is great example, very few christians actually believes in god, he's just a fig leaf for sadism and domination, no one sane can seriously believe the bible is in anyway moral, good or just, because if they did, they would be following it, and be on a mountain of bodies, amongst the ruins of a burning city (Deuteronomy 13:13-19, among others) (but then I do actually remember being at services in the early 90s, when that was called for, so, some at least read the damn book)
Quote from: Taggie;1132392You lost all credibility when you referenced that malicious rape apologist Peterson, he who tries to gaslight women back into accepting the 'traditional' model of extreme domestic violence and subjugation, while using the rape, violence and sadism of the bible as his examples, and to turn men into the biblical ideal of a mass murdering serial rapist, ala the Deutoronomy/Lveiticus exmples, seriously how many hundred million have to die before that sick filth gets placed where it belongs, on the same self as mein kampf and maos little red book.
And you know some women who want to be beaten senseless by 'alpha' males and used as rape toys , well done, they need serious help.
This is in no way topical to the thread. The post you were responding to was only barely a sliver into topicality however, so I won't ban you. However, do not post in this thread again.
Quote from: Godspar Games;1132400The problem is that NORMAL people can't wait to forget and move on, while these people pretend to forget and move on, but they come back a decade or two later to resume the revolution.
SJW/Commit ideas are mental viruses. Their only cure is light, information, and ridicule. SO MUCH RIDICULE. Gotta bury them under a mountain of the stuff!
This post is not topical to the thread. Don't post in this thread again.
Quote from: S'mon;1132419I think the problem began earlier than that, around 1900 I think it was, when the Church cracked down on priests sleeping with their Housekeepers!
Off topic post. Don't post in this thread again.
Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1132439That's the figures for alleged abuse, and given the witch hunt situation in Australia that we saw with Pell's case, those could be higher or lower than the ones found credible. And I'm not seeing anything to support your "Christians vs. non-Christians" figure, which was the real headscratcher, unless I was misreading and you meant '5% of Christians over,all but only 0.13% of the laity,' which seems impossible since the priesthood numbers as either abusers or percentage of the population aren't high enough to cause such a disparity.
Off topic. Don't post in this thread again.
Quote from: Chris24601;1132432The same SJWs who claim that RPGs are bad because orcs represent [insert flavor of the month minority here] and those RPGs glorify killing said orcs will also release projects vilifying actual white males (ex. whites in the latest CoC system being so racist that they will ignore their own safety to try and kill minorities when in their presence).
What is CoC?? That shit sounds BANANAS!
You're saying there's a game system that has white people turn into 28 Days Later rage zombies any time they see a minority??
Hey. Folks. Maybe its time to organize a backlash. Thats fucking repulsive and absurd.
Quote from: Godspar Games;1132532What is CoC?? That shit sounds BANANAS!
You're saying there's a game system that has white people turn into 28 Days Later rage zombies any time they see a minority??
Hey. Folks. Maybe its time to organize a backlash. Thats fucking repulsive and absurd.
Because this was topical, and I can presume you posted before seeing your thread-ban, I'm going to be lenient. You're still threadbanned however, don't post on this thread again or you will be banned.
Quote from: Taggie;1132522hypernoramilisation
That's a great word you made up! :cool:
Quote from: Taggie;1132041You got the terrorists wrong: the terrorists are the murderers in uniform, for to long they have killed, beaten and defiled without being held to account. Also while I agree that DnD is multi racial, classical liberalism is not and never has been, the Founding Fathers of the US didn't regard non-whites as fully human, the British Empire was slightly better, but not much, the other European Empires and various global trade corporations of the period where not, it was by Europeans, for Europeans, and even then mostly for already wealthy families, sending out preferably second and subsequent sons to go out and find their fortune, by basically stealing it. It was what it was, and it's not like other civilizations where any different, just less good at it.
As did many other civilizations and empires in history. It's not a white thing.
Pushback against all this has started to step up and been joined by resistance groups from prior iterations who have seen this stupid before and are having none of it now. Especially in the art circles where you really dont want to knock over the hornets nest of people who if pushed, are more than able to rip into this with ever more over the top pieces. And are doing so right now.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1132492Very sad to hear Game Empire is toast. They were a great store, perhaps the best FLGS in California, and the owner Chuck was a really good guy and knew how to run a friendly business. But since the bathrooms were single person, they could have easily been unisex. That said, the girl's potty was always cleaner so I used that one.
Aero was welcoming to nobody!! No surprise they went down (but they've been there since the 1960s), but I heard the problem was huge rent hike combined with hobby sales being devoured by online. Their big problem was a tight space that couldn't host games. Back when I lived on the Westside, we had an Aero group that met at an old half abandoned diner across the street.
Have you checked out PAPER HEROS in Sherman Oaks? It's been around a couple years and has game tables. I prefer it immensely over Geeky Teas in Burbank which is run by the lamest knuckleheads. But I have no idea if either is open during CoronaChan.
https://www.yelp.com/biz/paper-heros-games-los-angeles
I will definitely check out Paper Heroes. I had not heard of them, though I live close to there.
I agree about Geeky Teas. I went there once, and couldn't get anyone to help me buy something. As in person working there would not leave her game to sell me something. I stood at the register for about 8 minutes before I just put my stuff back and left.
Really?
You're banning forum opinions because they counter your conservative line?
Pundit, you're better than this. You've become like Big Purple: If people don't agree with you, you BAM them.
Trump isn't the guy to circle the wagons on. What IF: he's a Lib (he was a registered Dem once) looking to destroy the GOP from within?
Be smart. I thought you were, but you're caught up in rhetoic rather than logic.
Imagine the Libs grew a brain.
Pure Game Theory ...
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1132512The whole riots situation seems to have summoned up a handful of new trolls to the site. I for one, find them rather cute. Like a toothless cat trying to gum someone's ankles.
I find this comparison highly insulting on behalf of cats everywhere (who probably don't give a shit, and rightly so).
Quote from: Theory of Games;1132614Really?
You're banning forum opinions because they counter your conservative line?
I think it is just the off topic conversation he does not like.
If you swing over to The RPGPundit's Own Forum then you can get as political as you want.
Also note that there has only been warnings so far.
Quote from: Theory of Games;1132614Really?
You're banning forum opinions because they counter your conservative line?
er, no. He was threatening bans if anyone dragged it off topic too far.
Quote from: Theory of Games;1132614Really?
You're banning forum opinions because they counter your conservative line?
No, definitely not really.
Pundit's been having serious problems with topics drifting purely political in the RPG section of the forums. He's issued warnings many times recently about that topic-drift issue, to people from all sides of the political spectrum. It has nothing to do with what your opinion might be, and everything to do with a lack of connection to RPGs in posts in this particular area of the message board.
Post your same opinion but in an RPG context and it will be fine.
So for example, if you want to talk about how being anti-christian has not been normalized in D&D, you might talk about the many pro-christian elements remain in 5e. For example, we still have St. Cuthbert, we still have holy symbols which harken back to presenting the cross, we still have elements of Catholic-like banning of spirits through religious ritual, we still have elements of crusader knights, etc.. You can definitely dispute that social justice has overtaken D&D or that liberal politics has overtaken D&D and become normalized, or that such things would be good for society, while making the conversation about D&D as opposed to society in general.
In fact, now that I write that...I do want to talk about that!
And while I don't always agree with Pundit, I really quite agree with him on this one. I come to this message board to talk about RPGs, and way to much of this part of the message board has become "Let's just talk politics". There are lots of good (and bad) places to talk politics, including a separate section of this message board or CircvsMaximvs. But this section of the message board is "supposed" to be about RPGs. I want to hear Jeff tell us how Traveller is the best thing since sliced bread when I come here. :)
Though granted, I think some of this particular thread is on Pundit himself. This one was more difficult to stay focused on just D&D given how it was phrased. It maybe should come with a disclaimer of "Let's play a game, and see if you can keep this linked to RPGs throughout the discussion".
Saw the vid, read the replies...
I have to disagree with Pundit on his happy reading of the situation, vermin are at their most dangerous when cornered, SJWs can (some of them) see the tide turning and will fight to keep the power they currently have and even increase it. Worst yet, it's not a single vermin cornered, it's a mob of them.
I bet we'll see more cancellations of wrongthink and wrongthinkers in the hobby, starting with D&D and down from there to any publisher stupid enough to even acknowledge their bully-crying.
Conventions will get much worse (if they even happen at all), the virtue signaling will intensify.
IF WotC does publish something for the 50th anniversary it will be a PC shitfest (unless by 2024 the tide has really turned) filled to the brim with virtue signaling: Atheist Paladins get more powers, Orcs are peaceful protesters, Goblins only want to smell the roses and Bullywugs are poor refugees. While the Orange Giant and his huwhite army only want to exterminate them all because of their racism.
The solution is easy: vote with your money.
And be prepared to own that reality since most of these companies are over-run by the ideologues.
Quote from: tenbones;1132671The solution is easy: vote with your money.
And be prepared to own that reality since most of these companies are over-run by the ideologues.
Shop used. Find alternatives. I've been doing it for years. :)
QuoteThe same SJWs who claim that RPGs are bad because orcs represent [insert flavor of the month minority here] and those RPGs glorify killing said orcs will also release projects vilifying actual white males (ex. whites in the latest CoC system being so racist that they will ignore their own safety to try and kill minorities when in their presence).
Quote from: Godspar Games;1132532What is CoC?? That shit sounds BANANAS!
You're saying there's a game system that has white people turn into 28 Days Later rage zombies any time they see a minority??
Hey. Folks. Maybe its time to organize a backlash. Thats fucking repulsive and absurd.
It actually comes from Trail of Cthulhu but the sentiment has bled over to Call of Cthulhu.
Quote from: tenbones;1132671The solution is easy: vote with your money.
And be prepared to own that reality since most of these companies are over-run by the ideologues.
Exactly, don't buy games from people that hate you, don't buy from shops that hate you and don't go to conventions that hate you.
Quote from: Theory of Games;1132614Really?
You're banning forum opinions because they counter your conservative line?
Pundit, you're better than this. You've become like Big Purple: If people don't agree with you, you BAM them.
Trump isn't the guy to circle the wagons on. What IF: he's a Lib (he was a registered Dem once) looking to destroy the GOP from within?
Be smart. I thought you were, but you're caught up in rhetoic rather than logic.
Imagine the Libs grew a brain.
Pure Game Theory ...
I haven't banned anyone. I've threadbanned various posters, from posting here again, because they posted off topic. Most of those threadbanned would probably identify as right-wing.