Quote from: rocksfalleverybodydies on March 08, 2021, 11:38:01 AM
Does this mean 5e, despite some of it's flaws, may truly be the last version of D&D that didn't go completely off the rails, despite WOTC's best efforts?

Maybe 6e will be a solution of sorts:  It will give the crowd that wants all the inclusivity elements, non-binary cultures, etc. that they desire and 5e will still have a following that prefer to not include everything and the kitchen sink: with all the extra bits that have built up around it, I doubt it is fading into the sunset anytime soon.

So both groups will be happy as they now have their own edition?
6e gets to continue exploring their woke sensibilities and WOTC stops releasing more goofy stuff for 5e to 'bring it up to modern cultural standards' as they focus on the new edition.

Everyone kind of wins?

While I would prefer that people steer towards the earlier editions on a grand scale, that is more of a pipe dream than anything.  I can live with 5e as unless 6e mechanics are some groundbreaking thinking that deserves merit, I feel it is going to be nothing more than a woke calling card for WOTC.

Perhaps giving people like Price and her like-minded associates 6e will prove some point about where the real market lies with D&D and Hasbro's profit, rather than relying on the misdirection of Twitter bait.

6e will be great for one thing at least:  it will move the attention of a lot of players who are more concerned with the social guise of D&D, rather than the game itself onto the new shiny and give 5e a bit of breathing room.

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The Woke will not accept this, because their goal is to destroy everyone else's fun in favor of their own doctrinaire propaganda. If there is a 6e, the Woke will *immediately* call for the purging of 5e to remove the most popular competition and solidify their convergence of the brand.

It will be interesting to see if people on a mass scale, are willing to re-buy '5e:re-imagined' when most already own the books.  Woke reaction perhaps, but I think your average gamer will not be too enthusiastic to buy it again.
They can call for purges all they want but there is a huge catalogue of 5e stuff WOTC will still want to keep viable.  Once they move into 6e, they'll put 5e into stasis.  I can't see them trying to kill of a big success for them.
I wonder if they'll stick a warning on 5e like the older TSR stuff and call it a day (cause y'know, profit is profit).  Wouldn't that be ironic?
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Quote from: Jaeger on March 08, 2021, 02:13:33 AM

Quote from: Shasarak on March 07, 2021, 11:09:37 PM
I hope that WotC makes every character in Ravenloft queer.

Then the horror will be complete.


Excellent.

Reality or Parody?

Let's let the viewers decide!

https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1364316059747016706

   It is strange that these people get into business, which has a goal of reaching as broad an audience as possible, when their goals is to shove a very, very, tiny minority worldview into people's faces and then try to guilt them into buying it.  I realize certain segments of the population have limited ability to reproduce, but must use recruitment to fill their ranks, but this is nuts.

Quote from: rocksfalleverybodydies on March 08, 2021, 12:03:25 PM
It will be interesting to see if people on a mass scale, are willing to re-buy '5e:re-imagined' when most already own the books.  Woke reaction perhaps, but I think your average gamer will not be too enthusiastic to buy it again.
They can call for purges all they want but there is a huge catalogue of 5e stuff WOTC will still want to keep viable.  Once they move into 6e, they'll put 5e into stasis.  I can't see them trying to kill of a big success for them.
I wonder if they'll stick a warning on 5e like the older TSR stuff and call it a day (cause y'know, profit is profit).  Wouldn't that be ironic?
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Plenty of people that bought into 3e bought into 3.5 as soon as it came out.

Quote from: HappyDaze on March 08, 2021, 12:26:50 PM

Quote from: rocksfalleverybodydies on March 08, 2021, 12:03:25 PM
It will be interesting to see if people on a mass scale, are willing to re-buy '5e:re-imagined' when most already own the books.  Woke reaction perhaps, but I think your average gamer will not be too enthusiastic to buy it again.
They can call for purges all they want but there is a huge catalogue of 5e stuff WOTC will still want to keep viable.  Once they move into 6e, they'll put 5e into stasis.  I can't see them trying to kill of a big success for them.
I wonder if they'll stick a warning on 5e like the older TSR stuff and call it a day (cause y'know, profit is profit).  Wouldn't that be ironic?
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Plenty of people that bought into 3e bought into 3.5 as soon as it came out.

This is true, but 3.0 had some very real problems. So it had a lot to offer. What will 6e offer?

I have this quaint notion that someone like Chris Cocks (CEO of WOTC) is this steely eyed, take no BS businessman. But he clearly isn't. He's lucky. He came aboard WOTC at a time of growth.

I was heavy into the promise of 5e. Had a playtest group, had them sign NDA's, was looking forward to all of the rules modules that Mearls hinted at.

What do we have now? A queer Ravenloft? Some witch to appeal to Harry Potter fans? A bunch of adventures that are unlinked and re-tread the same ground, level wise? And not to mention, Jeremy Crawford and Chris Perkins supreme? Seriously?

Mike Mearls has done some legit, innovative shit in gaming. The man has my respect. Those other two and all of these outcasts they insist on hiring now do not.

What is he doing nowadays?

Quote from: Jaeger on March 07, 2021, 08:37:14 PM
IMHO this is a sign that some kind of SJW 5.5 / 6e product or announcement is inevitable in 2024.

A new edition (in the general book-selling sense of the term) was always in the cards for 2024. "50th Anniversary Edition" practically sells itself. The only question was how far down the rabbit hole WokeTC would make it (ranging from 5e reprint w. XGtE, errata and new art/layout to SJW Troll Logic Rewrite).

This probably does indicate more in the direction of the latter and, if so, then I attribute my previous bouts of writer's block to God wanting my non-SJW modern design (not OSR) system to be released closer to the advent of what might better be called 666e.

Quote from: horsesoldier on March 08, 2021, 12:59:57 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on March 08, 2021, 12:26:50 PM

Quote from: rocksfalleverybodydies on March 08, 2021, 12:03:25 PM
It will be interesting to see if people on a mass scale, are willing to re-buy '5e:re-imagined' when most already own the books.  Woke reaction perhaps, but I think your average gamer will not be too enthusiastic to buy it again.
They can call for purges all they want but there is a huge catalogue of 5e stuff WOTC will still want to keep viable.  Once they move into 6e, they'll put 5e into stasis.  I can't see them trying to kill of a big success for them.
I wonder if they'll stick a warning on 5e like the older TSR stuff and call it a day (cause y'know, profit is profit).  Wouldn't that be ironic?
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Plenty of people that bought into 3e bought into 3.5 as soon as it came out.

This is true, but 3.0 had some very real problems. So it had a lot to offer. What will 6e offer?

Hard to say until it shows up. In my eyes, 5e has some very real problems too, and they have nothing to do with the kind of things that don't matter to gameplay.

Quote from: horsesoldier on March 08, 2021, 01:11:02 PM
Mike Mearls has done some legit, innovative shit in gaming. The man has my respect. Those other two and all of these outcasts they insist on hiring now do not.

What is he doing nowadays?

  He's at WotC, but no one seems to know what he's working on with D&D. My guess would be that either they've shuffled him over to trying to corral the video game, movie and/or TV projects, or they've got him putting together the starting points for 6E/50th Anniversary Edition/Antichrist Edition.

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Mike Mearls has done some legit, innovative shit in gaming.

Mike Mearls called me, and every other gun owner, agents of ISIS.  Not compared, not made a simile.  Fuck him and the horse he rode in on.  And fuck all of WotC for hiring a bunch of woke moral busybodies. 

D&D should've died in 1984.

Quote from: Chris24601 on March 08, 2021, 01:29:01 PM
This probably does indicate more in the direction of the latter and, if so, then I attribute my previous bouts of writer's block to God wanting my non-SJW modern design (not OSR) system to be released closer to the advent of what might better be called 666e.

   Prophecy shall be fulfilled.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer
One day, a gamer shall rise from our ranks, and use the power of Fourth Edition to light our darkest hour.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on March 08, 2021, 05:16:12 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on March 08, 2021, 01:29:01 PM
This probably does indicate more in the direction of the latter and, if so, then I attribute my previous bouts of writer's block to God wanting my non-SJW modern design (not OSR) system to be released closer to the advent of what might better be called 666e.

   Prophecy shall be fulfilled.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer
One day, a gamer shall rise from our ranks, and use the power of Fourth Edition to light our darkest hour.

The link es no bueno.

Quote from: wmarshal on March 08, 2021, 05:28:00 PM

The link es no bueno.

Fixed in original. Thank you.

Like a Jonah you went to proclaim divine prophecies into a land of ASSyrians. Truly king's move. Kudos.

Quote from: Wicked Woodpecker of West on March 08, 2021, 08:49:06 PM
Like a Jonah you went to proclaim divine prophecies into a land of ASSyrians. Truly king's move. Kudos.

Don't give me too much credit; I made that post thirteen years ago, back when TBP's decline was in its early stages.