This week there's been a series of scandals that has seen ttrpg SJWs vigorously cancelling their own. So why is Jessica Price untouchable in spite of having sold out to Wizards of the Coast?
When Jessica Price got fired, The Verge wrote: "ArenaNet's swift action to fire both Price and Fries sends a disturbing message to its fans, and especially its most toxic ones: that their power is directly correlated to how loud they yell." It's nice to see liberals recognize how horrible it is to bully someone out of a job, although it doesn't stop them when they feel like canceling someone. She got bullied out of a job but wants to fire Mearls, who is probably her boss now. OK.
lol'd at describing Swordsfall as a Minstrel Show.
There are one or two SJWs who have produced good games but agree most are full on garbage.
Great episode, thanks for this. Really needed a good laugh.
Is there any kind of link to the Swordsfall guy drama? Looking around produces his multiple twitter apologies, but I'm having a hard time locating the initial claims of bad behavior.
Quote from: Valatar on March 04, 2021, 03:07:59 AM
Is there any kind of link to the Swordsfall guy drama? Looking around produces his multiple twitter apologies, but I'm having a hard time locating the initial claims of bad behavior.
https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srjtdf
Considering how Jessica Price's original sacking blew up within the cesspit pit that is gaming """journalism""" the Usual Suspects probably don't want to risk inevitable comparisons being drawn to back to that (poor innocent womxn ruthlessly sacked because a m*n disagreed with her).
Although it's always funny seeing these people shriek about privilege and as soon as they get themselves fired there's a sea of Blue Ticks publicly offering them jobs in Twitter replies.
I think Iowahawk identified what's going on, and why the SJWs are giving Price a pass. She is a means to accomplish the following:
https://mobile.twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/664089892599631872?lang=en
1. Identify a respected institution.
2. kill it.
3. gut it.
4. wear its carcass as a skin suit, while demanding respect.
#lefties
I was thinking that 6E wouldn't be coming soon, but if they hired Price then I have to change my mind and believe that 6E is going to happen soon.
Price is as much a scorpion as Dellorfano. I shall give no fucks when WOTC gets stung like the dumbass frog that it is.
Quote from: TobiasP on March 04, 2021, 05:57:24 AM
Quote from: Valatar on March 04, 2021, 03:07:59 AM
Is there any kind of link to the Swordsfall guy drama? Looking around produces his multiple twitter apologies, but I'm having a hard time locating the initial claims of bad behavior.
https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srjtdf
Thanks kindly, that adds a lot of context!
Quote from: wmarshal on March 04, 2021, 08:28:01 PM
I think Iowahawk identified what's going on, and why the SJWs are giving Price a pass. She is a means to accomplish the following:
https://mobile.twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/664089892599631872?lang=en
1. Identify a respected institution.
2. kill it.
3. gut it.
4. wear its carcass as a skin suit, while demanding respect.
#lefties
I was thinking that 6E wouldn't be coming soon, but if they hired Price then I have to change my mind and believe that 6E is going to happen soon.
Price is as much a scorpion as Dellorfano. I shall give no fucks when WOTC gets stung like the dumbass frog that it is.
I can sort of see that.
In the far lefty opinion, she isn't working for WoTC, she infiltrated it. To go back to Pundit's example, unlike if he started working for Iran, from a certain perspective it's more like someone from the CIA started working for Iran. They're just waiting for the other shoe to drop.
Quote from: wmarshal on March 04, 2021, 08:28:01 PM
Price is as much a scorpion as Dellorfano.
Dellorfano is mad, and probably as much a danger to herself as others. I feel sorry for her - but am still scared of her, being a sad creature does not mean she's not very dangerous. And in a healthy society she probably would not have gone off the deep end.
Price though is just plain evil. She's the type who gets pleasure from hurting others.
I don't know about evil per se, but Price does strike me as a narcissist.
She got fired from ArenaNet for basically getting into a slapfight with a community member (Deroir) who had a LOT of pull. In my opinion, the whole thing was stupid; but the fact was that Deroir disagreed with her, she threw a fit at him, and then -- I'm sure much to her surprise -- got canned.
Prior to this, she had been fouling the nest at Paizo until even they got sick of her.
Clearly, this is a woman with a hilariously overblown sense of self-worth and ego. And when it comes back to haunt her, blames it on 'le patriarchy'.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 05, 2021, 08:35:31 AM
I don't know about evil per se, but Price does strike me as a narcissist.
Look at what she did to Frank Mentzer. There was a narcissistic element, sure, but it was mostly about hurting him as much as possible.
(disclaimer: Mentzer was a bit of a silly old goat with her, and a massive jerk the way he treated EOTB over on Dragonsfoot. He didn't deserve to have what was left of his career ruined over it.)
Quote from: S'mon on March 05, 2021, 11:01:18 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 05, 2021, 08:35:31 AM
I don't know about evil per se, but Price does strike me as a narcissist.
Look at what she did to Frank Mentzer. There was a narcissistic element, sure, but it was mostly about hurting him as much as possible.
(disclaimer: Mentzer was a bit of a silly old goat with her, and a massive jerk the way he treated EOTB over on Dragonsfoot. He didn't deserve to have what was left of his career ruined over it.)
I believe for Price even in her own mind it wasn't a matter of Mentzer deserving getting publicly dragged. I believe a lot of the people involved with newer games resent the bandwidth captured by the OSR. Mentzer handed her the opportunity to speed up the expiration of a significant member of the OSR, and to score virtue points. Honestly, I can't feel too sorry for Mentzer for attempting to creepily flirt with a scorpion. If he had a lick of sense he would have avoided that. I wish Mentzer hadn't done what he did with Price, but it was a dumb move, and I can't work up a lot of sympathy for being dumb.
It is almost inevitable that Price will find someone in the WOTC/Hasbro hierarchy wanting in her view. It won't matter that they're on good terms now because the goal posts are constantly moving, and at some point they'll fall behind the latest expectations. She'll make a stink, cause headaches for WOTC/Hasbro, and I'll refuse to give a damn because they set themselves up for this.
(I have a SJW relation, and she got blown up on twitter for using 'womxn' in place of women. Apparently amongst some transgender faction womxn has gone from being inclusive to exclusive. It's all very similar to how Stalin would change positions on Marxism in the blink of an eye, and purge any fellow communist caught on the wrong foot. And no, I don't feel sorry for my relation either. She chose to play the evil word games SJWs use to go after other people, and got hoisted on her own petard.)
I play in a 5E campaign (enjoy it), but I have no need to buy anything more from WOTC, and from the direction they're going even if they come out with 5E Greyhawk it won't be anything I'm interested in.
Quote from: wmarshal on March 05, 2021, 12:18:36 PM
I play in a 5E campaign (enjoy it), but I have no need to buy anything more from WOTC, and from the direction they're going even if they come out with 5E Greyhawk it won't be anything I'm interested in.
I'm pretty close to that point too now. I prefer buying Kobold Press or other 3rd party stuff these days. Otherwise I mostly buy generic systemless stuff. I refused to buy/use/allow Tasha's and am very happy with my decision.
Swordsfall is absolutely a Minstrel Show. Just the modern version of it. In both cases, its a performer intentionally playing up to the stereotype that white Democrats expect him to be, for money.
Having sat in jury duty on a tort law case here in Texas... holy shit. If there's anything there, she's gonna wish her biggest problem is being cancelled.
You know what the best thing you can do to people like Jessica Price is?
Go be successful with things they hate.
For example her crowd hates the games Gary Gygax created. So, I run wildly successful 1e AD&D and original D&D games all the time, virtual and in person. I have 12 people in my Monday night game, and I regularly can pull a crowd of 10-14 at events. My dance card at GaryCon this year is all old school, although I've mixed it up a bit: Gamma World 1e and Twilight:2000 (also 1e, Free League can keep their wokeshit T2k version, thankyewverymuch), as well.
Show them people having a good time with things they have tried to tear down. They hate that.
Quote from: thedungeondelver on March 07, 2021, 02:59:37 PM
You know what the best thing you can do to people like Jessica Price is?
Go be successful with things they hate.
For example her crowd hates the games Gary Gygax created. So, I run wildly successful 1e AD&D and original D&D games all the time, virtual and in person. I have 12 people in my Monday night game, and I regularly can pull a crowd of 10-14 at events. My dance card at GaryCon this year is all old school, although I've mixed it up a bit: Gamma World 1e and Twilight:2000 (also 1e, Free League can keep their wokeshit T2k version, thankyewverymuch), as well.
Show them people having a good time with things they have tried to tear down. They hate that.
Can confirm
Kind of like a variation on 'the best revenge is living well', eh? :)
Outside of gaming if someone is publicly trying to tear you down or capture your attention, the best thing to do is take care of your vulnerabilities as best you can, making no show about it, and then live as if they didn't exist. You can't control every 3rd party, and the 2nd party dragging you relishes the thought that you are reacting to them, concerned with them, feeling obligated to pay attention to their efforts. All of that fuels their desire.
This doesn't change in the RPG community either. Unless there is a commercial reason to be the counter-gadfly to their shtick, it's always best to deprive them of attention and your concern, or any semblance that they've forced you to modify your behavior, once you've done your own private SWOT.
But mainly I was confirming that DD's Monday night game is very fun, and he does indeed pull crowds of dozen+ at his con games.
Most of the people genuflecting to them in public are not applying it in private. This is a high school cafeteria crisis in fundamental character, and it should be treated that way
Be prepared to be ostracized from "the hobby" and not give a fuck. That's all they really have, and it ain't worth that much. Not enough to offer your energy to the energy vampires, anyway
EOTB sticking it out through some of my more remarkably stupid feats of DMing are proof positive that the old school is still the best school :D
Quote from: RPGPundit on March 04, 2021, 12:30:07 AM
This week there's been a series of scandals that has seen ttrpg SJWs vigorously cancelling their own. So why is Jessica Price untouchable in spite of having sold out to Wizards of the Coast?
I think that there are actually 2 questions in this situation:
1: Why haven't the SJW's turned on her?
2: Why The Fuck did WOTC hire Her?
I think Charon has hit the nail on the end here for question #1:
Quote from: Charon's Little Helper on March 05, 2021, 12:20:05 AM
In the far lefty opinion, she isn't working for WoTC, she infiltrated it. ...
This!
As much as the SJW's do not like D&D – they cannot fully destroy D&D until
they are in charge of it.
Miss Price's hiring is a signal to the SJW cognoscenti that they are starting to exert more control over the game.
So, yay Miss Price! You go girl!
Now we get to:
Why The Fuck did WOTC hire Her?
I mean honestly! Her online shenanigans and public meltdowns should not be obscure to anyone that is paying attention.
One of her first posts about her Raveloft gig was basically slagging off Mike Mearls.
And nothing happened...
So only one conclusion can be reached: The people running D&D absolutely know.
I posit that Ray Winninger, Chris Perkins, and Jeremy Crawford not only know; They are down with Jessica Price.
Why? Because I think that they really don't like Mike Mearls either...
WARNING! WARNING!*Serious Tinfoil-Hat wearing territory here...*5e was largely Mike Mearl's baby. He ran the show, not them. Perkins, and Crawford were there, but all content was filtered through Mearls.
Perkins, Crawford, and Winninger are far more liberal than Mearls. I would bet big money that they would have done several things in 5e very differently to Mearls if they were in charge.
They certainly would have never hired a consultant like Pundit - Perkins, and Crawford are the kind of gamers he had been mocking for years before 5e was even in development. And they had to know that Mearls was talking to him.
It seems that until recently they were "locked in" to the plan that Mearls helped set for 5e in terms of content and release schedule. But that now seems to be loosening up...
So phasing out the old plan - Time for the new plan!
You now have a set of hardcore leftists at the helm. But to bring D&D to where they think that it should be;
they need to keep their jobs.But what they can do is set a new tone, and signal to their fellow travelers that things are starting to change.
Thus, Jessica Price was hired to work on Ravenloft.
A torch bearer who can say out loud what they can't, and is ultimately expendable so that they are insulated from anything incendiary. So no matter Miss Price's ultimate fate, they can continue to slowly turn D&D into the game that they want it to be.
IMHO this is a sign that some kind of SJW 5.5 / 6e product or announcement is inevitable in 2024.
They're also publishing an adventure by Danial Kwan, who was the behind the whole Oriental Adventures fiasco.
I don't know how I missed this, that Price has been hired by WotC. And now, Kwan is hired too?
Here it comes, folks. IF you don't already have your 1e and OD&D Print-on-demand stuff, *get it now*. Or at least get the PDFs so you can get it printed elsewhere. Because these "people" are going to conduct a little digital book burning soon, mark my words.
If they're going to do it, they should get it over with. That way people move beyond the boogeyman into a phase 2 that feels...little different than phase 1.
I welcome my favorite books being considered so dangerous they must be hidden and forbade. I am sure this will make the youth flee from them and stay only with the books their elders say are wholesome, and appropriate.
I hope that WotC makes every character in Ravenloft queer.
Then the horror will be complete.
Excellent.
Y'know I can't help but think though that if they do go all moral panic over D&D and purge it, they're going to have a rough time explaining the next nostalgia-heavy 80s TV event that has characters playing AD&D...and the fans can't get their hands on those books.
When Stranger Things debuted I had no issue garnering the attention of non-D&D players, old D&D players, and people who'd only played 4e and 5e by simply fitting the phrase "...yes, D&D, like in Stranger Things!" into the game description or conversation, and almost always at least a couple of players would ask me how they could get into "80's style" D&D, whereupon I would point them to the PDFs/POD files.
HM, I WONDER WHAT I'LL DO IF THOSE ARE TAKEN AWAY.
Quote from: Shasarak on March 07, 2021, 11:09:37 PM
I hope that WotC makes every character in Ravenloft queer.
Then the horror will be complete.
Excellent.
Reality or Parody?
Let's let the viewers decide!
https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1364316059747016706
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/157925530_914142529355077_5719261977175883313_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=fr5E0UCjsFwAX9kOh07&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=73f84fbf1a7b88920340286da3cdd385&oe=60694A96)
You would think after Price got the heave-ho from Paizo, WotC might be just the teensiest bit hesitant to hire her on.
Heh. Shows what I know, I guess.
Quote from: Jaeger on March 08, 2021, 02:13:33 AM
Quote from: Shasarak on March 07, 2021, 11:09:37 PM
I hope that WotC makes every character in Ravenloft queer.
Then the horror will be complete.
Excellent.
Reality or Parody?
Let's let the viewers decide!
https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1364316059747016706
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/157925530_914142529355077_5719261977175883313_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=fr5E0UCjsFwAX9kOh07&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=73f84fbf1a7b88920340286da3cdd385&oe=60694A96)
Hmmm. I know very little about Ravenloft the setting, though I do have experience with the original module. Given my shallow knowledge of the setting, my understanding is that it consists of a demiplane where various vampires, liches, death knights, etc. are in control. The role of the PCs is still to fight against the bad guys. If pretty much all of the named characters are being made queer, wouldn't this essentially turn the setting into something like "QueerHunter"™️? Our heroes spend their time hunting and killing the queer bad guys in Ravenloft? Seems like a weird direction for the woke to want to go in.
Does this mean 5e, despite some of its flaws, may truly be the last version of D&D that didn't go completely off the rails, despite WOTC's best efforts?
Maybe 6e will be a solution of sorts: It will give the crowd that wants all the inclusivity elements, non-binary cultures, etc. that they desire and 5e will still have a following that prefer to not include everything and the kitchen sink: with all the extra bits that have built up around it, I doubt it is fading into the sunset anytime soon.
So both groups will be happy as they now have their own edition?
6e gets to continue exploring their woke sensibilities and WOTC stops releasing more goofy stuff for 5e to 'bring it up to modern cultural standards' as they focus on the new edition.
Everyone kind of wins?
While I would prefer that people steer towards the earlier editions on a grand scale, that is more of a pipe dream than anything. I can live with 5e as unless 6e mechanics are some groundbreaking thinking that deserves merit, I feel it is going to be nothing more than a woke calling card for WOTC.
Perhaps giving people like Price and her like-minded associates 6e to run with it, will prove some point about where the real market lies with D&D and Hasbro's profit, rather than relying on the misdirection of Twitter bait.
6e will be great for one thing at least: it will move the attention of a lot of players who are more concerned with the social guise of D&D, rather than the game itself onto the new shiny and give 5e a bit of breathing room.
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Quote from: rocksfalleverybodydies on March 08, 2021, 11:38:01 AM
Does this mean 5e, despite some of it's flaws, may truly be the last version of D&D that didn't go completely off the rails, despite WOTC's best efforts?
Maybe 6e will be a solution of sorts: It will give the crowd that wants all the inclusivity elements, non-binary cultures, etc. that they desire and 5e will still have a following that prefer to not include everything and the kitchen sink: with all the extra bits that have built up around it, I doubt it is fading into the sunset anytime soon.
So both groups will be happy as they now have their own edition?
6e gets to continue exploring their woke sensibilities and WOTC stops releasing more goofy stuff for 5e to 'bring it up to modern cultural standards' as they focus on the new edition.
Everyone kind of wins?
While I would prefer that people steer towards the earlier editions on a grand scale, that is more of a pipe dream than anything. I can live with 5e as unless 6e mechanics are some groundbreaking thinking that deserves merit, I feel it is going to be nothing more than a woke calling card for WOTC.
Perhaps giving people like Price and her like-minded associates 6e will prove some point about where the real market lies with D&D and Hasbro's profit, rather than relying on the misdirection of Twitter bait.
6e will be great for one thing at least: it will move the attention of a lot of players who are more concerned with the social guise of D&D, rather than the game itself onto the new shiny and give 5e a bit of breathing room.
<edit: sp, thoughts>
The Woke will not accept this, because their goal is to destroy everyone else's fun in favor of their own doctrinaire propaganda. If there is a 6e, the Woke will *immediately* call for the purging of 5e to remove the most popular competition and solidify their convergence of the brand.
It will be interesting to see if people on a mass scale, are willing to re-buy '5e:re-imagined' when most already own the books. Woke reaction perhaps, but I think your average gamer will not be too enthusiastic to buy it again.
They can call for purges all they want but there is a huge catalogue of 5e stuff WOTC will still want to keep viable. Once they move into 6e, they'll put 5e into stasis. I can't see them trying to kill of a big success for them.
I wonder if they'll stick a warning on 5e like the older TSR stuff and call it a day (cause y'know, profit is profit). Wouldn't that be ironic?
<edit: thoughts>
Quote from: Jaeger on March 08, 2021, 02:13:33 AM
Quote from: Shasarak on March 07, 2021, 11:09:37 PM
I hope that WotC makes every character in Ravenloft queer.
Then the horror will be complete.
Excellent.
Reality or Parody?
Let's let the viewers decide!
https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1364316059747016706
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/157925530_914142529355077_5719261977175883313_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=fr5E0UCjsFwAX9kOh07&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=73f84fbf1a7b88920340286da3cdd385&oe=60694A96)
It is strange that these people get into business, which has a goal of reaching as broad an audience as possible, when their goals is to shove a very, very, tiny minority worldview into people's faces and then try to guilt them into buying it. I realize certain segments of the population have limited ability to reproduce, but must use recruitment to fill their ranks, but this is nuts.
Quote from: rocksfalleverybodydies on March 08, 2021, 12:03:25 PM
It will be interesting to see if people on a mass scale, are willing to re-buy '5e:re-imagined' when most already own the books. Woke reaction perhaps, but I think your average gamer will not be too enthusiastic to buy it again.
They can call for purges all they want but there is a huge catalogue of 5e stuff WOTC will still want to keep viable. Once they move into 6e, they'll put 5e into stasis. I can't see them trying to kill of a big success for them.
I wonder if they'll stick a warning on 5e like the older TSR stuff and call it a day (cause y'know, profit is profit). Wouldn't that be ironic?
<edit: thoughts>
Plenty of people that bought into 3e bought into 3.5 as soon as it came out.
Quote from: HappyDaze on March 08, 2021, 12:26:50 PM
Quote from: rocksfalleverybodydies on March 08, 2021, 12:03:25 PM
It will be interesting to see if people on a mass scale, are willing to re-buy '5e:re-imagined' when most already own the books. Woke reaction perhaps, but I think your average gamer will not be too enthusiastic to buy it again.
They can call for purges all they want but there is a huge catalogue of 5e stuff WOTC will still want to keep viable. Once they move into 6e, they'll put 5e into stasis. I can't see them trying to kill of a big success for them.
I wonder if they'll stick a warning on 5e like the older TSR stuff and call it a day (cause y'know, profit is profit). Wouldn't that be ironic?
<edit: thoughts>
Plenty of people that bought into 3e bought into 3.5 as soon as it came out.
This is true, but 3.0 had some very real problems. So it had a lot to offer. What will 6e offer?
I have this quaint notion that someone like Chris Cocks (CEO of WOTC) is this steely eyed, take no BS businessman. But he clearly isn't. He's lucky. He came aboard WOTC at a time of growth.
I was heavy into the promise of 5e. Had a playtest group, had them sign NDA's, was looking forward to all of the rules modules that Mearls hinted at.
What do we have now? A queer Ravenloft? Some witch to appeal to Harry Potter fans? A bunch of adventures that are unlinked and re-tread the same ground, level wise? And not to mention, Jeremy Crawford and Chris Perkins supreme? Seriously?
Mike Mearls has done some legit, innovative shit in gaming. The man has my respect. Those other two and all of these outcasts they insist on hiring now do not.
What is he doing nowadays?
Quote from: Jaeger on March 07, 2021, 08:37:14 PM
IMHO this is a sign that some kind of SJW 5.5 / 6e product or announcement is inevitable in 2024.
A new edition (in the general book-selling sense of the term) was always in the cards for 2024. "50th Anniversary Edition" practically sells itself. The only question was how far down the rabbit hole WokeTC would make it (ranging from 5e reprint w. XGtE, errata and new art/layout to SJW Troll Logic Rewrite).
This probably does indicate more in the direction of the latter and, if so, then I attribute my previous bouts of writer's block to God wanting my non-SJW modern design (not OSR) system to be released closer to the advent of what might better be called 666e.
Quote from: horsesoldier on March 08, 2021, 12:59:57 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on March 08, 2021, 12:26:50 PM
Quote from: rocksfalleverybodydies on March 08, 2021, 12:03:25 PM
It will be interesting to see if people on a mass scale, are willing to re-buy '5e:re-imagined' when most already own the books. Woke reaction perhaps, but I think your average gamer will not be too enthusiastic to buy it again.
They can call for purges all they want but there is a huge catalogue of 5e stuff WOTC will still want to keep viable. Once they move into 6e, they'll put 5e into stasis. I can't see them trying to kill of a big success for them.
I wonder if they'll stick a warning on 5e like the older TSR stuff and call it a day (cause y'know, profit is profit). Wouldn't that be ironic?
<edit: thoughts>
Plenty of people that bought into 3e bought into 3.5 as soon as it came out.
This is true, but 3.0 had some very real problems. So it had a lot to offer. What will 6e offer?
Hard to say until it shows up. In my eyes, 5e has some very real problems too, and they have nothing to do with the kind of things that don't matter to gameplay.
Quote from: horsesoldier on March 08, 2021, 01:11:02 PM
Mike Mearls has done some legit, innovative shit in gaming. The man has my respect. Those other two and all of these outcasts they insist on hiring now do not.
What is he doing nowadays?
He's at WotC, but no one seems to know
what he's working on with D&D. My guess would be that either they've shuffled him over to trying to corral the video game, movie and/or TV projects, or they've got him putting together the starting points for 6E/50th Anniversary Edition/Antichrist Edition. :)
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Mike Mearls has done some legit, innovative shit in gaming.
Mike Mearls called me, and every other gun owner, agents of ISIS. Not compared, not made a simile. Fuck him and the horse he rode in on. And fuck all of WotC for hiring a bunch of woke moral busybodies.
D&D should've died in 1984.
Quote from: Chris24601 on March 08, 2021, 01:29:01 PM
This probably does indicate more in the direction of the latter and, if so, then I attribute my previous bouts of writer's block to God wanting my non-SJW modern design (not OSR) system to be released closer to the advent of what might better be called 666e.
Prophecy shall be fulfilled. (http://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/necro-d-d-4th-edtion-facts.368653/post-8968203)
Quote from: Armchair Gamer
One day, a gamer shall rise from our ranks, and use the power of Fourth Edition to light our darkest hour.
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on March 08, 2021, 05:16:12 PM
Quote from: Chris24601 on March 08, 2021, 01:29:01 PM
This probably does indicate more in the direction of the latter and, if so, then I attribute my previous bouts of writer's block to God wanting my non-SJW modern design (not OSR) system to be released closer to the advent of what might better be called 666e.
Prophecy shall be fulfilled. (http://"https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/necro-d-d-4th-edtion-facts.368653/post-8968203")
Quote from: Armchair Gamer
One day, a gamer shall rise from our ranks, and use the power of Fourth Edition to light our darkest hour.
The link es no bueno.
Like a Jonah you went to proclaim divine prophecies into a land of ASSyrians. Truly king's move. Kudos.
Quote from: Wicked Woodpecker of West on March 08, 2021, 08:49:06 PM
Like a Jonah you went to proclaim divine prophecies into a land of ASSyrians. Truly king's move. Kudos.
Don't give me too much credit; I made that post thirteen years ago, back when TBP's decline was in its early stages.
Well duh if you prophetize it like year ago, that would be called sociology not prophecy,
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on March 08, 2021, 05:16:12 PM
Quote from: Chris24601 on March 08, 2021, 01:29:01 PM
This probably does indicate more in the direction of the latter and, if so, then I attribute my previous bouts of writer's block to God wanting my non-SJW modern design (not OSR) system to be released closer to the advent of what might better be called 666e.
Prophecy shall be fulfilled. (http://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/necro-d-d-4th-edtion-facts.368653/post-8968203)
Quote from: Armchair Gamer
One day, a gamer shall rise from our ranks, and use the power of Fourth Edition to light our darkest hour.
There's a prophecy now? Like I don't have enough pressure going on... :D
Well, I guess I was the weirdo who actually liked Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime and wasn't too sad Optimus died (he spoke from beyond the grave all Obi-Wan style so he wasn't dead, just more powerful than you could possibly imagine).
Plus, guy thrust into leadership trying to live up the legend is way more interesting a character type than living Messiah figure (the greatest irony being that original recipe Optimus was way more sarcastic, humorous and gung ho; it's only once they resurrected him that every incarnation started being presented as a serious and stoic figure who felt he couldn't get close to his men... it's a complete bowdlerization that seems more based on taking Rodimus' posthumous idolization seriously).
Well, back the grindstone... sadly games to challenge the Chaosbringer don't write themselves.
Quote from: Chris24601 on March 09, 2021, 10:36:18 AM
Well, I guess I was the weirdo who actually liked Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime and wasn't too sad Optimus died (he spoke from beyond the grave all Obi-Wan style so he wasn't dead, just more powerful than you could possibly imagine).
I always favored Ultra Magnus, myself, and thought he got a bum rap from a lot of the fandom. But then, I knew from the marketing for the toys and movie that Prime was dead going in, and I didn't start paying any real attention to the Matter of Cybertron until just before the Movie's release.
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Plus, guy thrust into leadership trying to live up the legend is way more interesting a character type than living Messiah figure (the greatest irony being that original recipe Optimus was way more sarcastic, humorous and gung ho; it's only once they resurrected him that every incarnation started being presented as a serious and stoic figure who felt he couldn't get close to his men... it's a complete bowdlerization that seems more based on taking Rodimus' posthumous idolization seriously).
I haven't kept up with the franchise much since the turn of the millennium, but I wonder how much of this comes out of the G1 comics, which were already hitting similar notes.
Quote from: HappyDaze on March 08, 2021, 12:26:50 PM
It will be interesting to see if people on a mass scale, are willing to re-buy '5e:re-imagined' when most already own the books. Woke reaction perhaps, but I think your average gamer will not be too enthusiastic to buy it again. ...
Any loss in sales for 5e due to wokeness will be spun as the edition life cycle just coming to an end...
And all a WOKETC needs for a 5.5/6e is for enough people to buy in to still be able to claim the title of #1 selling RPG. And they will tout it as a great success!
With no Baizuo 4e era equivalent around to keep WOTC honest that is all that they would need.
If HASBRO is successful with the D&D movie and Tv initiatives, and they start bringing in big money they will likely pay less and less attention to the RPG side of things so long as there are no major controversies. I suspect that a lot of their attention is focused on the media initiatives now considering the cost of the investment...
Quote from: oggsmash on March 08, 2021, 12:16:35 PM
It is strange that these people get into business, which has a goal of reaching as broad an audience as possible, when their goals is to shove a very, very, tiny minority worldview into people's faces and then try to guilt them into buying it. I realize certain segments of the population have limited ability to reproduce, but must use recruitment to fill their ranks, but this is nuts.
This is a side effect of these big corporations having so much money coming in that accountability in certain areas is
Very Lax.These woke leftists have also been very successful in shaking down these corporations by convincing them that they have actual power.
Quote from: Jaeger on March 09, 2021, 12:28:16 PM
This is a side effect of these big corporations having so much money coming in that accountability in certain areas is Very Lax.
These woke leftists have also been very successful in shaking down these corporations by convincing them that they have actual power.
I think it's more just an example of the old addage that 10 people screaming is louder than 1,000 people who remain silent.
The only thing I am curious about is how long will it take to publicly and openly rehabilitate Lorraine Williams. After all, she was just before her time. :D
You know it will happen.
Quote from: Chris24601 on March 09, 2021, 10:36:18 AM
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on March 08, 2021, 05:16:12 PM
Quote from: Chris24601 on March 08, 2021, 01:29:01 PM
This probably does indicate more in the direction of the latter and, if so, then I attribute my previous bouts of writer's block to God wanting my non-SJW modern design (not OSR) system to be released closer to the advent of what might better be called 666e.
Prophecy shall be fulfilled. (http://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/necro-d-d-4th-edtion-facts.368653/post-8968203)
Quote from: Armchair Gamer
One day, a gamer shall rise from our ranks, and use the power of Fourth Edition to light our darkest hour.
There's a prophecy now? Like I don't have enough pressure going on... :D
Well, I guess I was the weirdo who actually liked Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime and wasn't too sad Optimus died (he spoke from beyond the grave all Obi-Wan style so he wasn't dead, just more powerful than you could possibly imagine).
Plus, guy thrust into leadership trying to live up the legend is way more interesting a character type than living Messiah figure (the greatest irony being that original recipe Optimus was way more sarcastic, humorous and gung ho; it's only once they resurrected him that every incarnation started being presented as a serious and stoic figure who felt he couldn't get close to his men... it's a complete bowdlerization that seems more based on taking Rodimus' posthumous idolization seriously).
I can't resist a TF conversation.
Season 1 characters were a lot less "Flanderized". Optimus was a leader who was stoic and responsible, but also approachable.
The animated movie was a marketing decision to knock off all (most) of the existing characters and replace them with new toys. The idea of Rodimus was neat, but the actual character in Season 3 was so... goddamn... whiny! A character growing into his role is fine, but being his main schtick and beating it into the ground got tiresome fast.
And I agree, after the fan reaction they brought back Optimus, cementing the concept of the Revolving Door of Death in the franchise and ensuring that any characters getting bumped off could easily come back, the series treated him too reverently. The shows afterwards seemed to focus on referencing the events of the movie, like Star Wars, it became about itself and how awesome it was, and I think that contributed to the show being cancelled just before Season 4. (With the Headmasters squeaking out the door before they shut down.) Plus, yknow, toy churn and new stuff like TMNT and Power Rangers coming out as competition.
Quote from: Shasarak on March 07, 2021, 11:09:37 PM
I hope that WotC makes every character in Ravenloft queer.
Then the horror will be complete.
Excellent.
But none of them will actually be in same sex relationships. They'll just have colorful hair and weird fetishes. "Queerness" isn't about being gay anymore
man, it's just about
transgressing boundaries.
The basic framework here is:
1. Be as obnoxious as possible, bully everyone, harass your opponents, generally be a horrible person.
2. Wait for people to attack you for being a horrible person.
3. Claim that you're oppressed because everyone is attacking you.
4. Get someone on your side of the culture war to give you a job because you're so very oppressed and it's
awful.
Rinse, wash, repeat. The more you do this the more people will get out of your way, because they can see that you're a bully and that you're being rewarded for it. The problem is that eventually you end up having to bully someone on your own side who basically believes all the same things you do. And this is when you start eating your own and you get these weirder and more extreme beliefs so that people can fight each other.
Quote from: TobiasP on March 09, 2021, 07:46:33 PM
But none of them will actually be in same sex relationships. They'll just have colorful hair and weird fetishes. "Queerness" isn't about being gay anymore man, it's just about transgressing boundaries.
Transgression is being just like everyone else?
I suppose it makes sense, since supporting the establishment is now considered revolutionary.
Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 09, 2021, 03:56:59 PM
Quote from: Chris24601 on March 09, 2021, 10:36:18 AM
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on March 08, 2021, 05:16:12 PM
Quote from: Chris24601 on March 08, 2021, 01:29:01 PM
This probably does indicate more in the direction of the latter and, if so, then I attribute my previous bouts of writer's block to God wanting my non-SJW modern design (not OSR) system to be released closer to the advent of what might better be called 666e.
Prophecy shall be fulfilled. (http://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/necro-d-d-4th-edtion-facts.368653/post-8968203)
Quote from: Armchair Gamer
One day, a gamer shall rise from our ranks, and use the power of Fourth Edition to light our darkest hour.
There's a prophecy now? Like I don't have enough pressure going on... :D
Well, I guess I was the weirdo who actually liked Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime and wasn't too sad Optimus died (he spoke from beyond the grave all Obi-Wan style so he wasn't dead, just more powerful than you could possibly imagine).
Plus, guy thrust into leadership trying to live up the legend is way more interesting a character type than living Messiah figure (the greatest irony being that original recipe Optimus was way more sarcastic, humorous and gung ho; it's only once they resurrected him that every incarnation started being presented as a serious and stoic figure who felt he couldn't get close to his men... it's a complete bowdlerization that seems more based on taking Rodimus' posthumous idolization seriously).
I can't resist a TF conversation.
Season 1 characters were a lot less "Flanderized". Optimus was a leader who was stoic and responsible, but also approachable.
The animated movie was a marketing decision to knock off all (most) of the existing characters and replace them with new toys. The idea of Rodimus was neat, but the actual character in Season 3 was so... goddamn... whiny! A character growing into his role is fine, but being his main schtick and beating it into the ground got tiresome fast.
And I agree, after the fan reaction they brought back Optimus, cementing the concept of the Revolving Door of Death in the franchise and ensuring that any characters getting bumped off could easily come back, the series treated him too reverently. The shows afterwards seemed to focus on referencing the events of the movie, like Star Wars, it became about itself and how awesome it was, and I think that contributed to the show being cancelled just before Season 4. (With the Headmasters squeaking out the door before they shut down.) Plus, yknow, toy churn and new stuff like TMNT and Power Rangers coming out as competition.
Hence why the IDW run had, y'know, actual character death being so novel and entertaining.
Quote from: Jaeger on March 09, 2021, 12:28:16 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on March 08, 2021, 12:26:50 PM
It will be interesting to see if people on a mass scale, are willing to re-buy '5e:re-imagined' when most already own the books. Woke reaction perhaps, but I think your average gamer will not be too enthusiastic to buy it again. ...
I'm pretty sure I didn't say that. I actually argued that if they make a new edition, plenty will buy in even if the changes are minimal, just as with 3e to 3.5e.
Quote from: HappyDaze on March 10, 2021, 06:15:00 PM
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I'm pretty sure I didn't say that. I actually argued that if they make a new edition, plenty will buy in even if the changes are minimal, just as with 3e to 3.5e.
You are entirely correct. Apologies for the misquote!
It was rocksfalleverybodydies I actually quoted - I obviously F'd up somewhere when I was trimming the quote down to reply.
Quote from: TobiasP on March 09, 2021, 07:46:33 PM
Quote from: Shasarak on March 07, 2021, 11:09:37 PM
I hope that WotC makes every character in Ravenloft queer.
Then the horror will be complete.
Excellent.
But none of them will actually be in same sex relationships. They'll just have colorful hair and weird fetishes. "Queerness" isn't about being gay anymore man, it's just about transgressing boundaries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer_theory
Quote from: Melan on March 09, 2021, 03:26:42 PM
The only thing I am curious about is how long will it take to publicly and openly rehabilitate Lorraine Williams. After all, she was just before her time. :D
You know it will happen.
This is how long. ;D
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/7d473125c1233e89228af7a6f63d6a77/8dca3a5e472a6425-90/s2048x3072/c558f5b24e8273ba3f9d6286f2d6535161943ec0.png)
Quote from: Melan on December 20, 2021, 04:55:44 PM
Quote from: Melan on March 09, 2021, 03:26:42 PM
The only thing I am curious about is how long will it take to publicly and openly rehabilitate Lorraine Williams. After all, she was just before her time. :D
You know it will happen.
This is how long. ;D
(image snipped)
The irony is that there was a book series that put a large helping of blame on Williams's head over TSR's fate. That series, Designers & Dragons, was written by... Shannon Appelcline.
You know. The person who fucking owns TBP.
Quote from: thedungeondelver on March 08, 2021, 03:45:40 PM
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Mike Mearls has done some legit, innovative shit in gaming.
Mike Mearls called me, and every other gun owner, agents of ISIS. Not compared, not made a simile. Fuck him and the horse he rode in on. And fuck all of WotC for hiring a bunch of woke moral busybodies.
D&D should've died in 1984.
My hope is in 5-10 years DnD will be so devalued I can buy the IP then hire a few people like Pubdit and Professor Dungeon Master to make the next real edition of DnD sans wokeism
Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 08, 2021, 08:34:43 AM
You would think after Price got the heave-ho from Paizo, WotC might be just the teensiest bit hesitant to hire her on.
Heh. Shows what I know, I guess.
The issue is WotC has already been infiltrated by SJWs much like Marvel, DC and many other cultural icons, so they keep hiring other wokeies no matter their former sins. The good news is this means all these companies are slowly dying and will hopefully be purchased by true fans and remade from the ashes.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on December 20, 2021, 08:30:12 PM
Quote from: Melan on December 20, 2021, 04:55:44 PM
Quote from: Melan on March 09, 2021, 03:26:42 PM
The only thing I am curious about is how long will it take to publicly and openly rehabilitate Lorraine Williams. After all, she was just before her time. :D
You know it will happen.
This is how long. ;D
(image snipped)
The irony is that there was a book series that put a large helping of blame on Williams's head over TSR's fate. That series, Designers & Dragons, was written by... Shannon Appelcline.
You know. The person who fucking owns TBP.
TBP?
Quote from: dkabq on December 21, 2021, 06:04:36 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on December 20, 2021, 08:30:12 PM
Quote from: Melan on December 20, 2021, 04:55:44 PM
Quote from: Melan on March 09, 2021, 03:26:42 PM
The only thing I am curious about is how long will it take to publicly and openly rehabilitate Lorraine Williams. After all, she was just before her time. :D
You know it will happen.
This is how long. ;D
(image snipped)
The irony is that there was a book series that put a large helping of blame on Williams's head over TSR's fate. That series, Designers & Dragons, was written by... Shannon Appelcline.
You know. The person who fucking owns TBP.
TBP?
RPGnet. TBP = The Big Purple (a reference to their color scheme)
Quote from: DoctorGlocktor on December 20, 2021, 09:12:32 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 08, 2021, 08:34:43 AM
You would think after Price got the heave-ho from Paizo, WotC might be just the teensiest bit hesitant to hire her on.
Heh. Shows what I know, I guess.
The issue is WotC has already been infiltrated by SJWs much like Marvel, DC and many other cultural icons, so they keep hiring other wokeies no matter their former sins. The good news is this means all these companies are slowly dying and will hopefully be purchased by true fans and remade from the ashes.
No they won't. Warner and Disney will hold onto the trademarks forever and the copyrights as long as possible because that's what corporations do. The same for Hasbro and D&D. At best they will license the rights to a third party for limited periods of time (just as Disney does now for its Star Wars and Marvel toys and video games and other merchandise).
And if you DO manage to license it and actually make something profitable from it, the corporation will just keep raising the rates on the license with every renewal until you can no longer make money on it and have to trash your entire product line and if you're lucky, hastily release some generic setting alternative using the same game mechanics as your licensed system and pray your fans like the system enough to buy that without the IP to back it up.
No. You are ALWAYS going to be better off creating your own original works so you own the IP outright and no corporate shmuck can take it from you on a whim (or using things that have entered the public domain).
You don't need Superman to tell stories about an invulnerable flying brick superhero. You don't need Batman to tell stories about being a masked vigilante in a corrupt city. Heroes who build their own power armor aren't unique to Iron Man. D&D is not the end all and be all of fantasy genre roleplaying (in fact I'd argue D&D is almost its own self-referencial genre which happens to share some features with the fantasy genre).
If writing my own non-OGL game system and setting has taught me anything it's that latching onto and using D&D's lore via the OGL is astonishingly limiting. You are so much better served by actually going back to the original myths and to broader fantasy tropes than D&D has ever embraced as your sources of inspiration for a setting than reusing their tired offal. Having to build from the real origins forces you to really think about how your setting fits together in ways that just grabbing the SRD flavor text and assumptions will never provide.
Quote from: Jaeger on March 07, 2021, 08:37:14 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on March 04, 2021, 12:30:07 AM
This week there's been a series of scandals that has seen ttrpg SJWs vigorously cancelling their own. So why is Jessica Price untouchable in spite of having sold out to Wizards of the Coast?
I think that there are actually 2 questions in this situation:
1: Why haven't the SJW's turned on her?
2: Why The Fuck did WOTC hire Her?
Quote from: Charon's Little Helper on March 05, 2021, 12:20:05 AM
In the far lefty opinion, she isn't working for WoTC, she infiltrated it. ...
This!
As much as the SJW's do not like D&D – they cannot fully destroy D&D until they are in charge of it.
1: They havent yet turned on her because thats not how it works usually with this cult. Shes still "one of them" and may still be even when she turns on them before they retaliate.
2: See below for that answer.
3: Thing is. WOTC was taken over by the 90s version of the woke cult way back in the late 90s. But as usual the next iteration turns on them then infiltrates and takes over with their newer better woke cult.
x: And the next iteration in 2030 will do the same to them.
Quote from: Chris24601 on December 21, 2021, 07:03:45 AM
No they won't. Warner and Disney will hold onto the trademarks forever and the copyrights as long as possible because that's what corporations do. The same for Hasbro and D&D. At best they will license the rights to a third party for limited periods of time (just as Disney does now for its Star Wars and Marvel toys and video games and other merchandise).
Oh there is option number 3:
The sell it off to a more dystopian company which will do even more dystopian things with it.
I kinda like The Last Jedi for this reason. Its so unabashedly shit and anti-viewer, that it kinda say that 'Star Wars is dead. Stop crying over its corpse. Move on'.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on December 20, 2021, 08:30:12 PM
Quote from: Melan on December 20, 2021, 04:55:44 PM
Quote from: Melan on March 09, 2021, 03:26:42 PM
The only thing I am curious about is how long will it take to publicly and openly rehabilitate Lorraine Williams. After all, she was just before her time. :D
You know it will happen.
This is how long. ;D
(image snipped)
The irony is that there was a book series that put a large helping of blame on Williams's head over TSR's fate. That series, Designers & Dragons, was written by... Shannon Appelcline.
You know. The person who fucking owns TBP.
The mods of RPG.net are moral cowards. They should demand that Applecline publicly apologize for his probably-accurate research that blames someone other than a white male, and burn every copy of his books that he can, and donate a value equal to double any profits his books made to a list of approved communist terror groups, and if he refuses to comply with any of their demands, they should permaban him from the website he owns!
Quote from: DoctorGlocktor on December 20, 2021, 09:10:33 PM
Quote from: thedungeondelver on March 08, 2021, 03:45:40 PM
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Mike Mearls has done some legit, innovative shit in gaming.
Mike Mearls called me, and every other gun owner, agents of ISIS. Not compared, not made a simile. Fuck him and the horse he rode in on. And fuck all of WotC for hiring a bunch of woke moral busybodies.
D&D should've died in 1984.
My hope is in 5-10 years DnD will be so devalued I can buy the IP then hire a few people like Pubdit and Professor Dungeon Master to make the next real edition of DnD sans wokeism
I don't think you'll be able to buy D&D ever, I don't believe Hasbro will sell it. However, you might be able to buy the LICENSE for it. Which would regardless be cheaper than buying it outright.
And of course, if someone redpilled were ever to somehow get control over D&D, I would gladly work at making a proper edition.
QuoteThe issue is WotC has already been infiltrated by SJWs much like Marvel, DC and many other cultural icons, so they keep hiring other wokeies no matter their former sins. The good news is this means all these companies are slowly dying and will hopefully be purchased by true fans and remade from the ashes.
No it won't.
Marvel is getting sweet sweet deal with Disney working well.
Generally woke crowd of big Western cities make for good clients.
Quote from: DoctorGlocktor on December 22, 2021, 08:22:32 PM
No it won't.
Marvel is getting sweet sweet deal with Disney working well.
Generally woke crowd of big Western cities make for good clients.
The comic side is subsidized by movies/disney. If the movies didnt catch on Marvel comics would be bankrupt eight right now. And honestly they wont go much longer with trying to push Kamalah Kahn and America Chavez instead of characters people like.
Quote from: DoctorGlocktor on December 20, 2021, 09:10:33 PM
Quote from: thedungeondelver on March 08, 2021, 03:45:40 PM
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Mike Mearls has done some legit, innovative shit in gaming.
Mike Mearls called me, and every other gun owner, agents of ISIS. Not compared, not made a simile. Fuck him and the horse he rode in on. And fuck all of WotC for hiring a bunch of woke moral busybodies.
D&D should've died in 1984.
My hope is in 5-10 years DnD will be so devalued I can buy the IP then hire a few people like Pubdit and Professor Dungeon Master to make the next real edition of DnD sans wokeism
Well, you have a well developed fantasy life.
Quote from: DoctorGlocktor on December 22, 2021, 08:22:32 PM
Quote from: DoctorGlocktor on December 22, 2021, 08:22:32 PM
No it won't.
Marvel is getting sweet sweet deal with Disney working well.
Generally woke crowd of big Western cities make for good clients.
The comic side is subsidized by movies/disney. If the movies didnt catch on Marvel comics would be bankrupt eight right now. And honestly they wont go much longer with trying to push Kamalah Kahn and America Chavez instead of characters people like.
Uh, Marvel DID go bankrupt. Well before politics entered into the picture. The pulled out of it...because of the sale of movie IP to Sony and then their own movies. Again, all before politics entered into it. You're putting the cart before the horse. Comic sales declined HUGE in the 1990s and never recovered. Again, having nothing to do with politics and everything to do with printing costs and prices and an aging readership and distribution issues.
Marvels sales now are not appreciably worse than the were before people started accusing them of being driven by politics. They changed to attract a younger crowd not because of the politics, but because the younger crowd is much more willing to buy digital comics than the older crowd, and the costs and distribution issues of the industry demand they move in the direction of digital rapidly.
And their primary competition is Japanese comics (which are just as politically driven) and Scholastic kids comics. Two industries that simply were not nearly so dominate decades ago when you were actually into comics.
But you keep on believing your narrative.
QuoteThe comic side is subsidized by movies/disney. If the movies didnt catch on Marvel comics would be bankrupt eight right now. And honestly they wont go much longer with trying to push Kamalah Kahn and America Chavez instead of characters people like.
The thing is vast majority of MCU fans are not comic book watchers, so whatever readers thought about Kamala Khan won't matter unless she fuck up her own TV-series. But I agree comics are in this whole new construct are afterthought.
Quote from: RPGPundit on December 21, 2021, 04:50:59 PM
I don't think you'll be able to buy D&D ever, I don't believe Hasbro will sell it. However, you might be able to buy the LICENSE for it. Which would regardless be cheaper than buying it outright.
And of course, if someone redpilled were ever to somehow get control over D&D, I would gladly work at making a proper edition.
Hasbro has sold off IPs before. Usually ones they have either a tenuous claim on, or ones that for whatever reason just dont interest them.
The only way I see them selling off D&D would be if WOTC pulled another 4e then takes a beating in sales, and this time does not pull off a miracle and save themselves.
Quote from: RPGPundit on December 21, 2021, 04:50:59 PM
Quote from: DoctorGlocktor on December 20, 2021, 09:10:33 PM
Quote from: thedungeondelver on March 08, 2021, 03:45:40 PM
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Mike Mearls has done some legit, innovative shit in gaming.
Mike Mearls called me, and every other gun owner, agents of ISIS. Not compared, not made a simile. Fuck him and the horse he rode in on. And fuck all of WotC for hiring a bunch of woke moral busybodies.
D&D should've died in 1984.
My hope is in 5-10 years DnD will be so devalued I can buy the IP then hire a few people like Pubdit and Professor Dungeon Master to make the next real edition of DnD sans wokeism
I don't think you'll be able to buy D&D ever, I don't believe Hasbro will sell it. However, you might be able to buy the LICENSE for it. Which would regardless be cheaper than buying it outright.
And of course, if someone redpilled were ever to somehow get control over D&D, I would gladly work at making a proper edition.
To be fair, do you even need a DnD license to make DnD at this point? We know WotC won't go after you for making retro clones and derivatives therein. You can say "IP matters" but I'd rather have a niche OSR product that can reliably make money from that small and niche audience, than some bland mainstream crap that will be forgotten in 5 years but makes loads of money because it has DnD somewhere on it.
I've always said if I ever get round to writing an RPG I'll put a blurb similar to the woke ones about not welcoming nazis. But make it about podcasters and other Critical Role related shitters. I don't want them near anything I make.
That's playing straight to their goal. (Also not sure why pointing podcasters specifically - they are mostly bandwagoners not source of rot.)
The only way to beat these people if we are loyal to ideas, not brands. That, they don't and will not own and control.
Support the game designers you know are on your side.