Quote from: GeekyBugle;1093528Edit: The proof is in the pudding as they say

I can't find the post you're quoting here, and I'm guessing your intention is to ridicule the whole idea of a revolutionary rpg with an implied WWI -era setting, but you know what, the Russian revolution (or fictional analogue), a chaotic hot mess of political intrigue, hair-splitting ideological hatreds, and gunplay, could be a brilliant setting for an rpg. Cyberpunk ethos with steam/dieselpunk trappings. I mean, god only knows if that specific product produces a good game, but the concept has real potential. You could really go all "Reilly Ace of Spies" with that.

Telling the other side you already do what they say you should, is perfectly acceptable to them.

Then the negotiation moves to whether or not you're correctly categorizing your efforts: past, present or future.

Quote from: Zirunel;1093543I can't find the post you're quoting here, and I'm guessing your intention is to ridicule the whole idea of a revolutionary rpg with an implied WWI -era setting, but you know what, the Russian revolution (or fictional analogue), a chaotic hot mess of political intrigue, hair-splitting ideological hatreds, and gunplay, could be a brilliant setting for an rpg. Cyberpunk ethos with steam/dieselpunk trappings. I mean, god only knows if that specific product produces a good game, but the concept has real potential. You could really go all "Reilly Ace of Spies" with that.

Nope, because it's not in this forum but in pundits.

Nope, not ridiculing a setting, proving my point that SJWs do write and "Play" games where they enact their fantasies of overthrowing capitalism and killing millions by famine, ethnic cleansing, etc.

Because that game is for people to do exactly that, keep pretending to be revolutionaries opposing the evil capitalism by roleplaying. It's not a "setting" go read the pitch in DT.

Now if that appeals to you, well comrade to each his own, more power to you go pretend being against capitalism by participating in capitalism and play that game while sitting at a starbucks using your iPhone/iPad to role the dice in an app while drinking soylatte.

Quote from: EOTB;1093548Telling the other side you already do what they say you should, is perfectly acceptable to them.

Then the negotiation moves to whether or not you're correctly categorizing your efforts: past, present or future.

And will be accused of just using "minorities" as a shield by having a (insert oppressed group here) friend to disguise your inherent bigotry as a member of the untersmench (White, Straight and even lower if you're male).

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1093549Nope, because it's not in this forum but in pundits.

Well that explains that.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1093549Nope, not ridiculing a setting, proving my point that SJWs do write and "Play" games where they enact their fantasies of overthrowing capitalism and killing millions by famine, ethnic cleansing, etc.

I have no idea who wrote the game you reference. Or more to the point, whether they are "SJWs." Nor do I know that this game promotes the "fantasies" you're talking about. Killing millions? Famine? Ethnic cleansing? Is that what the game is about? Sounds like we're talking Stalin, forced collectivization in the Ukraine in the 1930s. If so, then sure, I'm not interested. Any more than "Einsatzgruppe: the RPG." Hard pass if so. But do you know that that is what the game is actually about?

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1093549Because that game is for people to do exactly that, keep pretending to be revolutionaries opposing the evil capitalism by roleplaying. It's not a "setting" go read the pitch in DT.

Yeah I looked at the pitch. It looks cyberpunk-ish, except the implied setting is eastern Europe in 1915.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1093549Now if that appeals to you, well comrade to each his own, more power to you go pretend being against capitalism by participating in capitalism and play that game while sitting at a starbucks using your iPhone/iPad to role the dice in an app while drinking soylatte.

What exactly led you to believe I appreciate over-priced coffee in a paper cup, Apple products, or soymilk? I appreciate none of those things. Your powers of observation or clairvoyance or whatever may not be as keen as you think they are.

Quote from: Zirunel;1093564Well that explains that.

Good, one thing settled

Quote from: Zirunel;1093564I have no idea who wrote the game you reference. Or more to the point, whether they are "SJWs." Nor do I know that this game promotes the "fantasies" you're talking about. Killing millions? Famine? Ethnic cleansing? Is that what the game is about? Sounds like we're talking Stalin, forced collectivization in the Ukraine in the 1930s. If so, then sure, I'm not interested. Any more than "Einsatzgruppe: the RPG." Hard pass if so. But do you know that that is what the game is actually about?

And i quote from THEIR page:

{"Playing Comrades was a good reminder of what really matters.... If you too dream of a day when there are no more billionaires, then playing this game can help you keep your eyes on the prize." Gita Jackson, Kotaku}

Also: "Playing as characters like the Soldier, the Student, the Propagandist, and the Worker, your comrades will mount rallies, stage coups, evade the secret police, and fight fascist goons. A campaign of Comrades can take place in any setting the players dream up -modern or historical, real or imagined- giving them a chance to create a revolution all their own. "

Now what is the point of any socialist revolution? To overthrow capitalism, and in the process of doing this and later trying to achieve their utopia they ALWAYS end up with famine, purges, gulags and yes, ethnic cleansings (The Holomodor). So yes it's to fantasize exactly about that.

Quote from: Zirunel;1093564Yeah I looked at the pitch. It looks cyberpunk-ish, except the implied setting is eastern Europe in 1915.

The included setting you mean? Because, and I quote again: "A campaign of Comrades can take place in any setting the players dream up -modern or historical, real or imagined- giving them a chance to create a revolution all their own. "

Quote from: Zirunel;1093564What exactly led you to believe I appreciate over-priced coffee in a paper cup, Apple products, or soymilk? I appreciate none of those things. Your powers of observation or clairvoyance or whatever may not be as keen as you think they are.

You as in the general you not in the personal you. Don't be so quick to be offended.

Quote from: Zirunel;1093543but you know what, the Russian revolution (or fictional analogue), a chaotic hot mess of political intrigue, hair-splitting ideological hatreds, and gunplay, could be a brilliant setting for an rpg. Cyberpunk ethos with steam/dieselpunk trappings.

I'd play in that setting! It wouldn't need to be a Communist Revolution, because during bloody chaotic revolutions, it barely matters what Red vs. Blue even believe because that's secondary to all the intrigue. Also, love the idea of cyberpunk ethos in dieselpunk!

I'd like something akin to Stars Without Number as the system. Or maybe Savage Worlds.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1093528Funny you mention this, we don't really play anti-sjw games (that would be boring) but SJWs do play anti-"fascist" games, and they define as fascist anybody to the right of Mao.

Edit: The proof is in the pudding as they say

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I'm pretty sure that the number of people playing the Comrades RPG is no more than the number of people playing the "Hot Chicks" RPG, and considerably less than people playing the "Tales of Gor" RPG. Also, of course, there's the recent enthusiastic thread about creating SJWFinder the RPG -

https://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?40528-Since-PF-is-open-gaming-content-let-s-create-SJWfinder-the-RPG!!!

All of these are a tiny niche within a niche. Mostly SJWs play the same RPGs as anti-SJWs - D&D, Pathfinder, etc - with some mild variations (like OSR vs story games).

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1093567{"Playing Comrades was a good reminder of what really matters.... If you too dream of a day when there are no more billionaires, then playing this game can help you keep your eyes on the prize." Gita Jackson, Kotaku}

LOL. The prize!!!

Oh, how dearly I would love to send these worthless fucks to a "socialist utopia" so they can experience their lovely prize!!

I lived, oh so briefly, behind the Iron Curtain in the early 80s and saw enough of "the prize" to last a lifetime.

But I also was a teen who got to see East German and Russian girls skinnydipping so it wasn't all bad.

Except their parents and grandparents were ALSO skinnydipping. That's probably a D6 SAN loss.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1093567Now what is the point of any socialist revolution? To overthrow capitalism, and in the process of doing this and later trying to achieve their utopia they ALWAYS end up with famine, purges, gulags and yes, ethnic cleansings (The Holomodor).

Agreed, but I think the "revolution gone wrong" phase is a solid setting idea. I'd start the campaign with "You've won comrades! Now what?" and then ramp the crazy to 11.

If anything, playing in such a setting would make people NOT want a socialist revolution. It would be very much like Paranoia.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1093567And i quote from THEIR page:
{"Playing Comrades was a good reminder of what really matters.... If you too dream of a day when there are no more billionaires, then playing this game can help you keep your eyes on the prize." Gita Jackson, Kotaku}

Well, it's a reviewer quote, not theirs, but they do cite it so they must place some value on it. I must say, I don't. Surely, even if you "dream of that day," then spending your time just playing a  game about it must distract you from the prize, not keep your eyes on it. If you want the prize then heave the game in the bin and go march in the streets or something.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1093567Also: "Playing as characters like the Soldier, the Student, the Propagandist, and the Worker, your comrades will mount rallies, stage coups, evade the secret police, and fight fascist goons. A campaign of Comrades can take place in any setting the players dream up -modern or historical, real or imagined- giving them a chance to create a revolution all their own. "

As with any rpg, it invites you to tinker with the setting, although the class terms they use do evoke Europe 1915, not anything modern. "Fascist goons" is an odd thing to see though. Maybe in Italy, but otherwise you're not going to see fascist goons in 1915. That does kinda move you up into the 1920s or 1930s. Not sure what to make of that. Hm.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1093567Now what is the point of any socialist revolution? To overthrow capitalism, and in the process of doing this and later trying to achieve their utopia they ALWAYS end up with famine, purges, gulags and yes, ethnic cleansings (The Holomodor). So yes it's to fantasize exactly about that.

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That is not a left vs right thing. Right wing revolutions lead to the same thing. If truly ideological, then within a few years of victory, the proponents of  "perpetual revolution" butt heads with the proponents of "whoa, revolution's over, time to cash in." And the purges and detention camps begin. If not truly ideological, the purges and detention camps still seem to happen anyway. And what about pure fantasy? Everyone knows if you help the benign wood elf kingdom with its nasty orc problem and finally rid it of all external threats, it's not going to be utopia, you're just going to wind up with a nasty unrestrained wood elf kingdom problem. But rpg adventurers don't worry about how the good guys are eventually going to be the future bad guys. They pick their side, fight the immediate problem and somehow delude themselves they've done good. So too with revolutionaries.  Yeah the winners will become autocrats, but if you worry about what will happen 20 years later, you'd never adventure at all.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1093567The included setting you mean? Because, and I quote again: "A campaign of Comrades can take place in any setting the players dream up -modern or historical, real or imagined- giving them a chance to create a revolution all their own. "

But the "complete setting" they created still appears to be 1915, not 2019. Whatever that means.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1093567You as in the general you not in the personal you. Don't be so quick to be offended.

Well it sure sounded like the personal you, but okay, fine

Quote from: Spinachcat;1093569I'd play in that setting! It wouldn't need to be a Communist Revolution, because during bloody chaotic revolutions, it barely matters what Red vs. Blue even believe because that's secondary to all the intrigue. Also, love the idea of cyberpunk ethos in dieselpunk!

I'd like something akin to Stars Without Number as the system. Or maybe Savage Worlds.

I agree. In fact, if you went Reilly Ace of Spies you could play as anti-Bolsheviks if you like. It's all good . Times of flux and chaos just seem to be a naturally good fit for rpg settings, and the Russian revolution seems a particularly good one. I think it's a great idea. The excruciating and sometimes miniscule ideological differences could even be played for comedic effect.

Quote from: Zirunel;1093577Well, it's a reviewer quote, not theirs, but they do cite it so they must place some value on it. I must say, I don't. Surely, even if you "dream of that day," then spending your time just playing a  game about it must distract you from the prize, not keep your eyes on it. If you want the prize then heave the game in the bin and go march in the streets or something.

If you wrote a game and someone made a review saying it's about the ethno revolution and getting a huwhite ethnostate would you cite it in your selling page if you didn't agree with the ethos of the reviewer?

Quote from: Zirunel;1093577As with any rpg, it invites you to tinker with the setting, although the class terms they use do evoke Europe 1915, not anything modern. "Fascist goons" is an odd thing to see though. Maybe in Italy, but otherwise you're not going to see fascist goons in 1915. That does kinda move you up into the 1920s or 1930s. Not sure what to make of that. Hm.

Yes, they kinda try and hide it, but it's about present day and orange man bad.

Quote from: Zirunel;1093577and That is not a left vs right thing. Right wing revolutions lead to the same thing. If truly ideological, then within a few years of victory, the proponents of  "perpetual revolution" butt heads with the proponents of "whoa, revolution's over, time to cash in." And the purges and detention camps begin. If not truly ideological, the purges and detention camps still seem to happen anyway. And what about pure fantasy? Everyone knows if you help the benign wood elf kingdom with its nasty orc problem and finally rid it of all external threats, it's not going to be utopia, you're just going to wind up with a nasty unrestrained wood elf kingdom problem. But rpg adventurers don't worry about how the good guys are eventually going to be the future bad guys. They pick their side, fight the immediate problem and somehow delude themselves they've done good. So too with revolutionaries.  Yeah the winners will become autocrats, but if you worry about what will happen 20 years later, you'd never adventure at all.

I can't remember a single right wing revolution other than El Salvador. Yes, when Elfs and Orcs are proven to be ral and someone makes a game like this but about them we can talk about that.

Yes, most revolutions end up in that way, but not all, except the left wing ones, those ALWAYS end up in dictatorship and an elite living large while all the rest starve.

Quote from: Zirunel;1093577But the "complete setting" they created still appears to be 1915, not 2019. Whatever that means.

But you can fight fascist goons in 1915 . . .

Quote from: Zirunel;1093577Well it sure sounded like the personal you, but okay, fine

Well YOU sure read it like that, doesn't mean that was MY intention.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1093580Yes, when Elfs and Orcs are proven to be ral and someone makes a game like this but about them we can talk about that.

They may not be real, but I seem to recall that someone made an rpg with elves and orcs once upon a time...

Quote from: Myrdin Potter;1093505Do you think, just maybe, that the changes to make the new rulebook more representative has something do to with this? I do.

There is a big difference between SJW imposing their views via twitter storms and a publisher making art and rule choices to show that a game is open to anyone.

Nothing to do with representation, but I think making the rules more accessible than 4e must have helped.

Quote from: EOTB;1093548Telling the other side you already do what they say you should, is perfectly acceptable to them.

Then the negotiation moves to whether or not you're correctly categorizing your efforts: past, present or future.

That is assuming the other side doesnt just ignore the fact you are doing as they want you to and just paint you the villain... BECAUSE! (Because with out a villain their little ;movement' loses momentum.)

PTL: "D&D is satanic because it has a devil in an illustration it!"
Sane people: "Actually that is a depiction of a paladin, slaying a devil..."
PTL: "D&D is satanic because it has a devil in an illustration it!"