Quote from: Myrdin Potter;1093286We'll just stick to the original rules as first written, as the problem is entirely the "woke morons" and the text is perfect.

That's absolutely true.

Quote from: SavageSchemer;1093287Suicide rates are at their highest since World War 2, and up 33% since 1999.

You ain't see nothing yet!

In the next decade, we'll see the rise of "suicide culture".

We've already seen the spread of insanity via social media (anorexia, woke nonsense, transgenderism) and rise of digital dependency will only increase dramatically with 5g.

Why 5g? Far more immersive online experiences = less need to "immerse" in real life.

In 2017, WebMD discussed how antidepressant usage increased 400% between 1999 and 2014
https://www.webmd.com/depression/news/20170815/us-antidepressant-use-jumps-65-percent-in-15-years#1

And 2014 was pre-Trump...

Quote from: Alexander Kalinowski;1093346Both expressions of the same need to create a Sheriff of Nottingham, desiring to play Robin Hood.

Your theory is solid.

It corresponds well to the amount of Star Wars / Harry Potter references by SJWs regarding how they view their political "activism". I do love the #Resist stickers on SUVs, especially as 2 out of 3 also have Star Wars stickers inches away.

I joined a Discord server for a game a few days ago to ask some rules questions. I largely enjoyed it until today. I was part of a friendly and fun discussion about jerk players and it became focused on LGBTQ. A person posted about how they didn't enjoy gaming until the stopped playing with "conservative cishet males".

I usually roll my eyes at most but decided to commit server suicide and call them out for the broadstroke insinuation that all conservative cishet males are bad. It went as well as can be expected with a dogpile of all the buzzwords about privilege and such.

SJWs are not tolerant and a cancer on every group they attach themselves to, but we all know that.

Quote from: Alexander Kalinowski;1093346Both expressions of the same need to create a Sheriff of Nottingham, desiring to play Robin Hood.

Well yes you are painting us as the Sheriff. Who are you trying to save Robin?

(And actually I auditioned for the part of the Sheriff for a play. But ended up with the part of Prince John. :cool:)

But SJWs can't be liars because they don't welcome everyone, and then play the 'Paradox of Tolerance' card when called on their hypocrisy. And by forcing cis white het men to congregate in order to avoid abuse, they create an out group they can always use as an example.

It's rather cunning actually.

Quote from: GIMME SOME SUGAR;1093197I have no experience in playing rpgs with transsexuals or homosexuals.

How would you know?

Quote from: Myrdin Potter;1093281I think I will just stop looking at my perfect bound full color books and go back to the 16 page folded and staples in the middle books where I can play "Fighting-Men" as my character. That would make everyone happy, no need to change, everything was perfect.

You jest, but those staplebound books are rather better at facilitating _actual play_ than those hundred page full color tombs.

Quote from: Myrdin Potter;1093279For someone new to the game, seeing art and rules that affirm and provide examples that all are welcome explicitly written helps and causes no harm.

On the contrary, evidence suggests that representation can be harmful even when 'respectful'. And who exactly is deciding what should be considered respectful anyway? For example, is Boondocks respectful? Is it accurate? Is it only a problem is a 'white' person writes it?

Quote from: Myrdin Potter;1093279I think that has made a difference, and the difference is easy to see in the increased popularity of the game today.

The popularity of D&D is almost entirely due to how it intersects with social media these days, and the brand has never been stronger.

Quote from: Omega;1093340Once you start believing that devil cults are everywhere you start seeing devil cults everywhere and start making up systems to find and accuse ANYONE of being a devil cult. And failing all that, they simply hallucinate you doing devil cult stuff.

Mass hysteria is a hellova drug.

Quote from: Omega;1093340Would not surprise me if Pinball games before that and and board games before that at some point didnt see some heat from some loony bin out there.

Funny you mention that.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1093415How would you know?

Because I've known them since I was 13 years old. 10 years old in one case. Besides, I have this little handy gadget:

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Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1093415Funny you mention that.

I knew about the gambling accusation. Im old enough to remember when Pinballs were in shops and bowling alley arcades long before video games. But wasnt sure if that counted as the sort of extremist witch hunting other games have had to face. And in some EU regions RPGs were banned as gambling as of 3 years ago according to a friend over there. Seemed to be localized to certain cities far as I could gather.

Then again. If I recall right, early on in the anti-pinball movement police were smashing them in some states when caught?

We really have not come very far in nearly 80 years have we?

You are all talking about being in groups that have accepted anyone in their group as equals. That's great.

What about those who don't have a group. They buy the books for themselves. I learned the game on my own as a 10 year old. I was a boy at the time... I identified with the badass fighter in then Mentzer Red Box.

What if I was a girl? I pick up that box. The only female character gets killed! When you have an actual group, you have people who actively work towards making people welcome. But there are tons of people (including me) who got into the game on their own.

Why is everyone so tight wadded about this? It is asinine. Everyone who wants to play D&D deserves to play D&D and they are all welcome. Make your game what you want it to be and leave everyone else alone.

No one is going to storm into your apartment and force you to be more inclusive. Play your anti-SJW games as you want... but D&D belongs to everyone... its not going to hurt your games.

Quote from: fixable;1093487You are all talking about being in groups that have accepted anyone in their group as equals. That's great.

Actually, it sounds like a huge mistake in retrospect!

Somewhere along the line, SJWs were mistakenly welcomed into the hobby and accepted as equals when its quite obvious now they should have been hurled out the door.

Our naive "inclusivity" has come back to bite us in the ass.
 

Quote from: fixable;1093487But there are tons of people (including me) who got into the game on their own.

You read the book on your own, but nobody actually gets into gaming until they play with a group as its a group activity. Just like reading the rules of poker isn't playing poker and poker isn't solitaire.

Quote from: fixable;1093487Everyone who wants to play D&D deserves to play D&D and they are all welcome.

That was always the case previously. Regardless of the modern revisionist history.

Quote from: Omega;1093482And in some EU regions RPGs were banned as gambling as of 3 years ago according to a friend over there. Seemed to be localized to certain cities far as I could gather.

Now that's something I'll have to look into.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1093415The popularity of D&D is almost entirely due to how it intersects with social media these days, and the brand has never been stronger.

Do you think, just maybe, that the changes to make the new rulebook more representative has something do to with this? I do.

There is a big difference between SJW imposing their views via twitter storms and a publisher making art and rule choices to show that a game is open to anyone.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1093491You read the book on your own, but nobody actually gets into gaming until they play with a group as its a group activity. Just like reading the rules of poker isn't playing poker and poker isn't solitaire.

This is an important point, reading the books isn't "playing RPGs", it's just reading. Until you have a group, you are not engaged in this hobby.

Quote from: Myrdin Potter;1093505Do you think, just maybe, that the changes to make the new rulebook more representative has something do to with this? I do.

Maybe some, but I honestly doubt it contributes much. 5e was hugely popular immediately on release, and the books weren't notably woke-ified at that point. Unless you're counting the little inclusivity blurb at the front of the PHB, which was as I recall, fully approved of by almost everyone here.

Quote from: fixable;1093487You are all talking about being in groups that have accepted anyone in their group as equals. That's great.

What about those who don't have a group.

Then go find a group!

QuoteWhat if I was a girl? I pick up that box. The only female character gets killed!

Characters die sometimes. Sex doesn't include an immunity to death power. (That I know of.)

QuoteWhy is everyone so tight wadded about this? It is asinine. Everyone who wants to play D&D deserves to play D&D and they are all welcome. Make your game what you want it to be and leave everyone else alone.

No one is going to storm into your apartment and force you to be more inclusive. Play your anti-SJW games as you want... but D&D belongs to everyone... its not going to hurt your games.

Tight wadded about what? We're discussing how the gaming hobby has always been inclusive. We don't have to be forced by SJW nitwits who want to rewrite history.

Quote from: fixable;1093487What if I was a girl? I pick up that box. The only female character gets killed! When you have an actual group, you have people who actively work towards making people welcome. But there are tons of people (including me) who got into the game on their own.

Why is everyone so tight wadded about this

Because we're not sexist and racist. We don't look at a character in a book and immediately classify them by sex, gender, or race. We don't put everyone we meet into categories based on immutable qualities. That's the very definition of bigotry, of course.

We "identify" with the heroic nature of the character, and not with something that can only be seen through the lens of division.

That's why.

Quote from: fixable;1093487You are all talking about being in groups that have accepted anyone in their group as equals. That's great.

But somehow not enough to you.

QuoteWhat about those who don't have a group.

Wait, why is it my problem if someone doesn't have a group? Or are you claiming it's Racism!tm? So we as gamers aren't trully inclusive unless everybody has a group?

QuoteThey buy the books for themselves. I learned the game on my own as a 10 year old. I was a boy at the time... I identified with the badass fighter in then Mentzer Red Box.

So you played a solo adventure? Are you telling us you couldn't find anybody to play? Back then how many kids you think learned the exact same way? And even today, if you're lucky you learn in a group with an "experienced" GM the rest form their all novice groups and learn by themselves. Why is this a bad thing or our fault?

QuoteWhat if I was a girl? I pick up that box. The only female character gets killed!

So at age ten you were a badass fighter killing Dragons in real life?
Do you know many of us play as females? Why can't a girl play as a man?
Why should the sex of a character give them script shields?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rH-u9lUZCQ

QuoteWhen you have an actual group, you have people who actively work towards making people welcome. But there are tons of people (including me) who got into the game on their own.

Again so what? Go find a group.

QuoteWhy is everyone so tight wadded about this? It is asinine. Everyone who wants to play D&D deserves to play D&D and they are all welcome. Make your game what you want it to be and leave everyone else alone.

Exactly who are we trying to force to play as we say? How are we doing that? I demand evidence of this.

QuoteNo one is going to storm into your apartment and force you to be more inclusive. Play your anti-SJW games as you want... but D&D belongs to everyone... its not going to hurt your games.

Funny you mention this, we don't really play anti-sjw games (that would be boring) but SJWs do play anti-"fascist" games, and they define as fascist anybody to the right of Mao.

Edit: The proof is in the pudding as they say

Quote from: Gagarth;1093532Quick you do not want to miss this gem on Drivethru Tanin Wulf this is right up your street.