Quote from: sureshot;1097426I don't know why your shocked or shocked.

You asked the question you also don't get to be surprised and shocked when others disagree completely. It is as if you expected everyone to be on your side and agree with you completely.

I get to be what I want to be. Some pissy little gnome on the other side of the Atlantic won't dedice how I will feel about something. If I want to be shocked and surprised, I will be. I didn't expect the wokeness, the inclusiveness and the lack of honesty. I expected someone to feel like I feel. But I am the only prejudiced asshole in this forum it seems. I wanted some sugar, I got salt. Well, fuck you all then. I can be my on my own team. Hell, I might even form an unholy alliance with rawma or whatever his name is.

Quote from: GIMME SOME SUGAR;1097428I get to be what I want to be. Some pissy little gnome on the other side of the Atlantic won't dedice how I will feel about something. If I want to be shocked and surprised, I will be. I didn't expect the wokeness, the inclusiveness and the lack of honesty. I expected someone to feel like I feel. But I am the only prejudiced asshole in this forum it seems. I wanted some sugar, I got salt. Well, fuck you all then. I can be my on my own team. Hell, I might even form an unholy alliance with rawma or whatever his name is.

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Quote from: GIMME SOME SUGAR;1097428I get to be what I want to be. Some pissy little gnome on the other side of the Atlantic won't dedice how I will feel about something. If I want to be shocked and surprised, I will be. I didn't expect the wokeness, the inclusiveness and the lack of honesty. I expected someone to feel like I feel. But I am the only prejudiced asshole in this forum it seems. I wanted some sugar, I got salt. Well, fuck you all then. I can be my on my own team. Hell, I might even form an unholy alliance with rawma or whatever his name is.

So you wanted an honest answer to a question you asked. Were then given an answer and now your pissed, angry and acting like an immature manchild because it is not the one you wanted.

Talk about textbook hypocrite demanding an echo chamber than rage quitting because we refuse to provide him with one.

As for making an alliance with Rawma good luck with that. I maybe speaking for him yet he or whatever his gender is wants nothing to do with you. Rawma is rather woke and inclusive. You think he is going to join forces with you. Sure. He would rather watch you burn rather than piss on you to put out the flames.

Looks like another one came here to get a validating echo chamber and then rage quit because the rest of the forum refused to give it to him.

Quote from: rawma;1097366

• using the phrase "virtue signalling" in order to virtue signal;
• smug posturing from a position of self-appointed authority;
• hypocritical;
• lazy thinking;
• overuse as an ad hominem attack;
• meaningless political buzzword.

Seems more like rawma's list of "Six Steps to SocJus" than any serious critique on others.

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1097438Seems more like rawma's list of "Six Steps to SocJus" than any serious critique on others.

More like standard SJW boilerplate denial that they are doing what they are doing.  SJW:  They'd lie when the truth would do better.

Quote from: Steven Mitchell;1097441More like standard SJW boilerplate denial that they are doing what they are doing.  SJW:  They'd lie when the truth would do better.

Absolutely, rawma just put himself in the crosshairs so I pulled the trigger.

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Now, I'm not quitting the forum. I'm just quitting all-inclusive assfucks. And as far as Rawma goes, he shall be on my team. Be sure of that. I know he has potential to be more than just another SJW. He will be on my GLORIOUS team. Team Kill It With Fire. We will form the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact of this forum. And if he would be foolish enough to refuse, he will be fed to the pigs just like you. An echo chamber for one isn't such a bad thing. I will get better answers for sure.

Quote from: Brad;1097193Aren't you like some really fucked up minority or something? Blasian a la Tiger Woods? Who are you to tell white people they're full of shit? Bigot.

HAHA well in fairness... I tell everyone they're full of shit. You should see how I bomb on my own cannibal, headhunting, dog-eating relatives.

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Now, I'm not quitting the forum. I'm just quitting all-inclusive assfucks. And as far as Rawma goes, he shall be on my team. Be sure of that. I know he has potential to be more than just another SJW. He will be on my GLORIOUS team. Team Kill It With Fire. We will form the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact of this forum. And if he would be foolish enough to refuse, he will be fed to the pigs just like you. An echo chamber for one isn't such a bad thing. I will get better answers for sure.

A Fapping meme

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Congratulations you showed me  you can search the Internet.

If your not going to like the answers then don't ask the questions in the first place. Given how as non-inclusive or woke you claim to be you then expect to recruit one of the more as opposite as can be members of the forum.

Delusion and denial are alive and well on you I see. Thank you for showing myself and everyone else your true colors. Intolerance all around for pretty much anything you disagree with.

But hey keep posting those memes manchild. While continually proving to be nothing but a disingenuous troll.

Given how you changed your Avatar to a picture of two men kissing wirh a meme of some guy fapping off are you possibly having a coming out of your own.

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Now, I'm not quitting the forum. I'm just quitting all-inclusive assfucks. And as far as Rawma goes, he shall be on my team. Be sure of that. I know he has potential to be more than just another SJW. He will be on my GLORIOUS team. Team Kill It With Fire. We will form the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact of this forum. And if he would be foolish enough to refuse, he will be fed to the pigs just like you. An echo chamber for one isn't such a bad thing. I will get better answers for sure.

This is a rather odd manifesto. And is that dude trying to rip it off? Holy shit, son! The request for eye contact was kind of creepy, by the way.

Quote from: sureshot;1097469A Fapping meme

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Congratulations you showed me  you can search the Internet.

If your not going to like the answers then don't ask the questions in the first place. Given how as non-inclusive or woke you claim to be you then expect to recruit one of the more as opposite as can be members of the forum.

Delusion and denial are alive and well on you I see. Thank you for showing myself and everyone else your true colors. Intolerance all around for pretty much anything you disagree with.

But hey keep posting those memes manchild. While continually proving to be nothing but a disingenuous troll.

What did he do to get so ruffled? The source of rage eludes me.

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1097472What did he do to get so ruffled? The source of rage eludes me.

He expected everyone on the forum to no longer think for themselves, while expecting zero push back on what he posts. The opposite is happening and he is having a  immature public meltdown.

All because some posters here when he asked the question would you allow this person to join your game at post #410. Some here said yes and cue the mental breakdown.

Quote from: rawma;1097352Shasarak will have to explain that, if you're not satisfied with fear of being hounded off the internet (pretty unlikely, especially here).

Ahh, so then you do know why he has to imply those things. And who are these people doing the hounding exactly? And under what pretenses are those things happening? You, like jhkim are pretending these things are some mysterious force that rises up against wrong-speak and they're unknowable?

Playing stupid is unbecoming of *all* of us. You because you're too chicken shit to call the duck a duck. And us because we're at least trying to have the conversation in good faith.

Quote from: rawma;1097352Testing that correlates with various forms of success (school, jobs) has proven value. (IQ testing apparently does not correlate with wealth, so "If you're so smart, how come you're not rich?" is a baseless gibe.) The Flynn effect seems to indicate that it's not particularly genetic, though. And experiments where teachers were told that certain students were expected to excel based on testing, when the students were chosen randomly but do subsequently excel, would seem to support other reasons for differences. The history of IQ testing is of course filled with misuse to serve racist agendas; standardized testing for college admission seems to have started to exclude Jews from Ivy League schools.

For IQ specifically, I'll fall back on the Sidney Harris cartoon -- "You did very well on your I.Q. test. You're a man of 49 with the intelligence of a man of 53." So, when will you share your fantasy heartbreaker with a penalty to Intelligence scores for blacks? Or will you at least rant about the apparent race of the Wizard illustration in the 5e PHB?

Another chicken shit response. So your *very* answer is a classic example of the problem. You say IQ doesn't matter - then provide correctly that is does correlate to some of the most important aspects of living today in the modern world. Then water it down with strawman assertion *NO ONE MADE*. Then made an assertion and strawman of *me* characterizing my position without even asking me what mine was?

Here's the funny thing - why is it you jumped immediately to "penalty to Intelligence scores for blacks" trying to link something you're pretending is subjective, to a fantasy game, then insinuating the opposite in practice as if people in this discussion believe that? WHY is that? I've certainly never said or advocated such things. Why would you? Why would you single out a "black" wizard as an example? Because, I dunno if you know this... but "black people" are humans in real life, newsflash. Humans don't get in Int-penalties in makebelieve games. Why would you extrapolate this out to actual people in this discussion?  You're sitting there trying to conflate your own personal views that "black people" have Low IQ's and pushing it on people in some fake outrage (at best) and insipid accusation of bigotry at worst - WHILE trying to say IQ has no real relevance in real life, while contradicting yourself in your own words.

This is the bigotry of the left in full glory.

I'll give Intelligence penalties to Orcs. Is that racist? Go on, answer it. Or conversely in your fantasy heartbreaker - all races have the same stats and genders because everything is exactly the same?

Quote from: GIMME SOME SUGAR;1097428I get to be what I want to be. Some pissy little gnome on the other side of the Atlantic won't dedice how I will feel about something. If I want to be shocked and surprised, I will be. I didn't expect the wokeness, the inclusiveness and the lack of honesty. I expected someone to feel like I feel. But I am the only prejudiced asshole in this forum it seems. I wanted some sugar, I got salt. Well, fuck you all then. I can be my on my own team. Hell, I might even form an unholy alliance with rawma or whatever his name is.

So, you thought you'd get positive social feedback for your position - but instead posters disagreed with you. That's signaling, looking for social reward. However, this isn't an echo chamber for your ideas. I agree with others that signaling and mob mentality is something that happens, especially within partisan echo chambers. TheRPGsite isn't one of those, though.

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To loop back to tenbones - You've been making a lot of ad-hominem attacks, but I think the core is that we're talking past each other because of different assumptions.

Quote from: jhkimCompared to the rest of society, I think that RPGs have been relatively inclusive. But that doesn't mean we were perfectly welcoming to everyone - because the rest of society has had plenty of prejudice.

Quote from: tenbones;1097021But no one person represents the entirety of the RPG world. You know that. You're sitting there presenting both extremes of the side and pretending that the vast center isn't where the real discussion is being had -or fought. Which relegates your, once again, outlining the obvious as obvious as some kind of opinion that stands for nothing.

No one person represents the RPG world, but overall, it is represented by a collection of people and products. The issue is how do we generalize? Binary answers of either "the hobby was welcoming" vs "the hobby was unwelcoming" are largely meaningless. Even individual people aren't a binary of perfectly unbigoted versus completely bigoted. The underlying question isn't - but how much prejudice there was in the hobby. However, it's not clear how to quantify that. It's not like we can even argue whether the hobby was 40% prejudiced versus 10% prejudiced, because there's no clear meaning of what X% prejudiced is.

I do think that the RPG hobby has historically been less prejudiced on many fronts than mainstream society, but prejudice still existed. As I noted, anti-LGBT prejudice was common and mainstream in the 1970s, so I think it was also in the hobby.

Quote from: tenbonesYou want representation to be sufficient to your own standards? Go create it. You are owned nothing for your own needs by others. Nothing is stopping you except the illusion that those that aren't invested in your pet-identity label of choice *should* be by some corporate fiat or social-mob mandate. That's not "representation". That's co-option and coercion.

Quote from: jhkimThis is exactly backwards. "Corporate fiat"?? If you don't like what some company like Paizo or WotC makes, then buy from a different company or just make your own stuff. There are tons of options out there.

Quote from: tenbones;1097021Playing stupid again. Pretending I haven't actually answered this multiple times. Playing stupid twice more - pretending that WotC, Paizo, RPGnet, OPP, and other major RPG developers or their employees haven't promoted their dumb SJW politics in-and-out of game, haven't attacked the gaming public for not buying into their stupid ideology, pretending that these things *matter* in some manner WITHIN the context of the game.

I have commented on this, but you continue talking past me. I am not denying that WotC has promoted politics. Companies do express politics. I am saying that WotC should be able to express whatever politics they want - just as Pundit expresses *his* politics while promoting *his* games. Regardless of what politics WotC says, it's not mind control that forces anything on you.

To summarize my position again, I don't think that RPGs are an important vector for political ideas. So I'm fine with SJW companies making SJW games as well as conservative companies making conservative games, and other companies making further variations. I might disagree with a company's politics, but that means I'll either ignore it or express disagreement with it - not that I'll bitch that they're exercising corporate fiat over me.