Now I know my low fantasy game will make many of the right people reeeeeeeeee in abject fauxtrage, best free advertisement I couldn't ask for.

Quote from: rawma;1097352I'll be more direct; say what you actually think rather than coyly hinting at it. This forum rarely bans people for expressing unpopular opinions.

I give people the benefit of the doubt here a lot; conversely, lots of people are sure they know the secret reasons for what I say, no matter what else I say. If you say you believe something stupid, I will believe that you believe that stupid thing.

Shasarak will have to explain that, if you're not satisfied with fear of being hounded off the internet (pretty unlikely, especially here).

Testing that correlates with various forms of success (school, jobs) has proven value. (IQ testing apparently does not correlate with wealth, so "If you're so smart, how come you're not rich?" is a baseless gibe.) The Flynn effect seems to indicate that it's not particularly genetic, though. And experiments where teachers were told that certain students were expected to excel based on testing, when the students were chosen randomly but do subsequently excel, would seem to support other reasons for differences. The history of IQ testing is of course filled with misuse to serve racist agendas; standardized testing for college admission seems to have started to exclude Jews from Ivy League schools.

For IQ specifically, I'll fall back on the Sidney Harris cartoon -- "You did very well on your I.Q. test. You're a man of 49 with the intelligence of a man of 53." So, when will you share your fantasy heartbreaker with a penalty to Intelligence scores for blacks? Or will you at least rant about the apparent race of the Wizard illustration in the 5e PHB?

Virtue signalling is the conspicuous expression of moral values.[1] Academically, the phrase relates to signalling theory and describes a subset of social behaviors that could be used to signal virtue--especially piety among the religious.[2] In recent years, the term has been more commonly used within groups to criticize those who are seen to value the expression of virtue over action.

Quote from: jeff37923;1097357Virtue signalling is the conspicuous expression of moral values.[1] Academically, the phrase relates to signalling theory and describes a subset of social behaviors that could be used to signal virtue--especially piety among the religious.[2] In recent years, the term has been more commonly used within groups to criticize those who are seen to value the expression of virtue over action.

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Jane Coaston of the The New York Times notes that in using the term "virtue signalling" one is "trying to signal something about their own values: that they are pragmatic, appropriately cynical, in touch with the painful facts of everyday life". In The Guardian, David Shariatmadari argues that this makes it "indistinguishable from the thing it was designed to call out" adding that it is "smug posturing from a position of self-appointed authority." Neoliberal political theorist and economist Sam Bowman, criticized the term claiming that "saying virtue signalling is hypocritical. It's often used to try to show that the accuser is above virtue signalling and that their own arguments really are sincere".

Adam Smith Institute Executive Director Sam Bowman opined that the meaning of the term popularised by James Bartholomew misuses the concept of signalling and encourages lazy thinking. In The Guardian, Zoe Williams suggested the phrase was the "sequel insult to champagne socialist" while fellow Guardian writer David Shariatmadari says that while the term serves a purpose, its overuse as an ad hominem attack during political debate has rendered it a meaningless political buzzword.

Obviously jeff37923 the stalker is describing his own conduct:

• using the phrase "virtue signalling" in order to virtue signal;
• smug posturing from a position of self-appointed authority;
• hypocritical;
• lazy thinking;
• overuse as an ad hominem attack;
• meaningless political buzzword.

Yes, that's jeff37923 the stalker. I'd say shine on, you crazy diamond, but you're more a golf ball in the rough.

Quote from: rawma;1097352I'll be more direct; say what you actually think rather than coyly hinting at it. This forum rarely bans people for expressing unpopular opinions.

I give people the benefit of the doubt here a lot; conversely, lots of people are sure they know the secret reasons for what I say, no matter what else I say. If you say you believe something stupid, I will believe that you believe that stupid thing.

If you dont mind I will just say what I want to say and I will let you do the same.

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Quote from: jeff37923;1097357In recent years, the term has been more commonly used within groups to criticize those who are seen to value the expression of virtue over action.[/URL]

Not quite. It seems to get fairly often applied to those who's actions are supposed to display how virtuous they are.
"Look! Look at me! See! I stood up (well more like hid behind a monitor like a coward) to that misogynist (who really isnt but I need to score my quota for the day) and called him/her/it a Nazi! See how upright and virtuous I am!"

or

"Look! Look at me! I made this game that is totally inclusive and welcoming to all! It was made totally by white women, (and a few black slaves we put on the team, and this trans guy we tolerate for PR purposes!) We didnt allow any straight white males in at all! See how upright and virtuous I am!"

and so on ad nausium.

And people seem to find this sort of virtue signalling more offensive than the passive/aggressive trolling sort.

Bringing back the thread to RPGs, yes the hobby was always welcoming, were there some rotten apples? I never found one but yes, I'm sure there were. But to jump from a few rotten apples to label everybody as rotten is a huge leap.

I dare say the "inclusive" and "tolerant" cabal is the worst offender in being exclusionary and intolerant, since almost all of them seem to want to establish purity tests and send to the gulag those not pure enough.

Sadly for them even if they managed to totally co-opt the big names they would still find they don't control the hobby. I suspect some realized this and from here springs their need to either co-opt or replace the OSR.

And all thanks to the OGL and the rule-sets placed under it or a similar license. How can they stop me from writing a game, self-publish a pdf and sell it dirt cheap?

How can they stop me from printing (if needed) copies of all the free pdfs I already have?

Not even if they managed to force DT to not sell anything without the woke authority seal of approval would they be able to control the hobby, they got to it about 10-15 years too late for that. Oh wonderful technology that will allow us to out sell them and mock them while they REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

The biggest thing that seems to offend SJWs in tabletop RPG gaming is that no matter what they do, they can't stop those they find deplorable from playing.

As Doc Sammy says upthread, since the safe space crowd is finding that their social power is waning and businesses are catching on that to get woke is to go broke, they have begun to feed upon themselves in ever more rigorous purity tests which only accelerates their self-destruction.

Meanwhile, the deplorable rest of us, just keep on gaming.

In my own case, there might be merit for criticism for the rpg groups I have been a part of not being inclusive enough. Skin colour has never been one reason why though. But I am far from 100% inclusive. I want you all to ask yourselves, would you feel and act inclusive if THIS IS WHO YOUR NEW GAMING GROUP MEMBER WAS:

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Quote from: GIMME SOME SUGAR;1097389In my own case, there might be merit for criticism for the rpg groups I have been a part of not being inclusive enough. Skin colour has never been one reason why though. But I am far from 100% inclusive. I want you all to ask yourselves, would you feel and act inclusive if THIS IS WHO YOUR NEW GAMING GROUP MEMBER WAS:

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Not if he/she/it is going to show up naked or if it's an ideologue from either side of the spectrum. Other than that? You do you i do me and if you're not a dick then lets game on.

Quote from: tenbones;1097124Do you personally think that IQ tests have any significance at all?

Yes, to determine the scope of developmental delay with children who suffer some form of brain damage or retardation in growth.

Perhaps to determine where rare individuals rank at the high end, mostly to compare nerd brain penises.

Absolutely not as an understanding or ranking of ethnic groups or nations.

Is it possible there are genetic differences in intelligence based on ethnic groups? Maybe, but the IQ tests used are utterly not up to the task to determine truth and the political climate disallows any such research to be discussed openly and honestly. Perhaps this might even be for the best.

Quote from: GIMME SOME SUGAR;1097389I want you all to ask yourselves, would you feel and act inclusive if THIS IS WHO YOUR NEW GAMING GROUP MEMBER WAS:

I'm not gonna fuck it (even with your dick) but if a freak of the week shows up to my game table at a convention, and they are fun to play with and add to my game experience, they are absolutely welcome back. I don't need fuck buddies, I need fun players.

If a new player looks "totally normal" and acts like an asshole, they can fuck off to Adventurer's League or Pathfinder Society.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1097390Not if he/she/it is going to show up naked or if it's an ideologue from either side of the spectrum. Other than that? You do you i do me and if you're not a dick then lets game on.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1097397I'm not gonna fuck it (even with your dick) but if a freak of the week shows up to my game table at a convention, and they are fun to play with and add to my game experience, they are absolutely welcome back. I don't need fuck buddies, I need fun players.

If a new player looks "totally normal" and acts like an asshole, they can fuck off to Adventurer's League or Pathfinder Society.

I'm pretty much on board with what they say.

My only caveat is that if the Player's appearance or hygiene drives away Players who have been there longer or contributed to the fun more, then that guy will be talked to (if the talk doesn't fix things, they will be told to leave).

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I don't know why your shocked or shocked.

You asked the question you also don't get to be surprised and shocked when others disagree completely. It is as if you expected everyone to be on your side and agree with you completely.