Quote from: sureshot;1095416I always laugh and shake my head when people from both Canada and the US keep openly stating how dangerous it is for gay and trans people here.

This is the same in the UK and when activists and the media (is there any difference these days?)  talk about the treatment of LGBT in other countries (e.g. the anti-LGBT laws in Africa) that is all the fault of Whitey too.

Quote from: Gagarth;1095417This is the same in the UK and when activists and the media (is there any difference these days?)  talk about the treatment of LGBT in other countries (e.g. the anti-LGBT laws in Africa) that is all the fault of Whitey too.

But of course; the fact that formerly British colonies in Africa have chosen never to repeal colonial-era laws against homosexuality, even having had decades of independence in which to make those statutory changes, is all our fault!

All of which adds up to the nonsensical hysteria around this white-guilt driven false narrative polemic about Gaming being exclusionary. Which on its face is idiotic.

If I want to be an asshole and use their own inverted logic I'd simply ask "Which identities most deserve representation?" And then be outraged at whatever make-believe identity they didn't name. Then label them an "-ist".

Grow up children.

Quote from: jeff37923;1095049You have made the claim that TheRPGSite is a haven for racists and misogynists. The burden of proof is on you and I find your evidence sorely lacking.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1095050US! You accuse this site of being full of misogynists and racists, yet when asked, you were able to come up with one dude, who got banned.

I described a poster who was called out on his racism by a moderator; never banned, and when I pointed this out many posters defended him (even ones who were in the original thread where that happened). And then the former moderator appeared and said it was true.

If RPGPundit would have the search functions turned back on in his own forum, then you could find plenty of other examples all by yourself. But if I could get him to change one thing, I'd much rather he stopped posting screeds about SJWs in the main forum -- not because of anyone's politics, but because it's politics that reduces the discussion of actual gaming.

Quote from: Scrivener of Doom;1095082Don't forget, the default he/him was (and arguably still is) correct English grammar for centuries.

I don't object to it, and certainly early D&D books could have benefited more from editing in many other ways; still just pointing out that Supplement 1 Greyhawk was not what was claimed.

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1095083rawma, keep in mind that you would've been shut down long ago on TBP. You can say your piece here. That's as inclusive as it needs to be.

I'm apparently the only person here who never spent time at TBP (assuming I correctly understand that to be rpg.net).

Quote from: tenbones;1095355Getting back on topic...

I still don't understand how RPG's are not "inclusive". If the premise should be "play these elf-games any fucking way you want" - how is it not inclusive? It's always been this way.

Because to these fruits it is never enough. Ever. And no matter what you do its going to offend them.

The game doesnt depict men or women at all and is totally generic and you can play whatever race or gender you want? Well I am sorry but that is exclusionism! Unless my pet minority of the week is represented then you are enabaling racism! You monster!

Ok so lets kowtow and put some in? Happy now? NO! Now you are extolling white majority supremacy because there arent enough of my pet minority represented! You monster!

Ok ok. Well make it 50/50 representation. Hows that? Never! You are not representing my pet gender of the week... enough... and that means you are a genocide advocate! You monster!

and on and on and on and on. You monster!

Quote from: rawma;1095767I described a poster who was called out on his racism by a moderator; never banned, and when I pointed this out many posters defended him (even ones who were in the original thread where that happened). And then the former moderator appeared and said it was true.

If RPGPundit would have the search functions turned back on in his own forum, then you could find plenty of other examples all by yourself. But if I could get him to change one thing, I'd much rather he stopped posting screeds about SJWs in the main forum -- not because of anyone's politics, but because it's politics that reduces the discussion of actual gaming.

So you cannot provide proof. ANY proof. Just hearsay and opinion.

You'd think that your only purpose posting here was to spread fear, uncertainty, and doubt about this forum.

Quote from: rawma;109576I'm apparently the only person here who never spent time at TBP (assuming I correctly understand that to be rpg.net).

I know it must seem like many here are bitter ex's when it comes to rpg.net, but you aren't the only one here who isn't. I never joined up there, and not likely to either.

And there are surely others.

Quote from: tenbones;1095328So are you saying you don't really know what "normal" means? Or are you being "rhetorical"? Is it possible for a man to make love to you, as tenderly as possible, with whatever emotional context required for you to acquiesce to such advances - is that act normal to you? Does such a state exist for you? If not - then is it not wise to presume that's "not normal" since as a heterosexual man whose line of behaviors in these matters is in accordance with over 90% of the human population (and I'm willing to be generous in either direction) that would be, under any other circumstances - "not normal".  Seems pretty easy (to me).

 

Normal as prescriptive is what the intersectional cultists use against the very concept of normal, Normal most often means the norm, what is the majority. So it's descriptive and not prescriptive, unless you want to impose your morals on others.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1095809Normal as prescriptive is what the intersectional cultists use against the very concept of normal, Normal most often means the norm, what is the majority. So it's descriptive and not prescriptive, unless you want to impose your morals on others.

yeah yeah, I know. I want him to say it so we can all be out in the open.

Quote from: jeff37923;1095084Virtue Signaling - the action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue.

Virtue signaling is the conspicuous expression of moral values.



It is. The conspicuous expression of moral values by people is usually done not to discuss a topic at hand, but to demonstrate the moral superiority of the poster in an attempt to ensure that they are higher up on the social ladder and thus their words have more importance than the rest who are involved in the discussion.




The reader.



Woke - The act of being very pretentious about how much you care about a social issue.

Again, the reader.




Why does not including such assume a lack of welcoming to the game?




So, you were not interested in a discussion and have already made up your mind?



There is no resistance as long as the characters fit in with the setting of the game or the plot of an adventure.



When the inclusion of minority characters is used to advertise a game or a person's appearance of moral superiority.



Your question should be broader than that. ANY character included in the text should fit within the setting of the game or be essential to the plot of the adventure. Otherwise that character is extraneous. That character can be of any race, gender, species, or orientation - it is not just limited to non-binary or transgender.




Then why include them?



If you are including a character for no reason other than to include them, then aren't you just using them as a token? Isn't that even more insulting than just not including them at all?

Nevermind

Quote from: GIMME SOME SUGAR;1095136Not only am I a moron. I also refuse to let the session around my kitchen table turn into a Pride festival. I am lord of my castle, my home is not somebody's LGBTQ demonstration. Within these walls my rules and my rules only apply. This is, in newspeak, my safespace from the outside madness. I'm heterosexual and all my friends are heterosexual. I don't have feminist cosplayers, genderfluids, furries or transpeople wearing muumuus in my gaming group. But I'm not a representative of the gaming industry, gamers or the people of this forum. I'm just me. And there are only two genders (male/female) in my world, the rest is delusion. Yes, I'm not only a moron, but an old-fashioned moron. Am I not entitled to be me? Must I bow before the bluehaired and woke Twitter army? Would it help to include people in the rpg hobby if I wore a garter belt and silk stockings? Or if I took a supporting shit for the rainbow-coloured LGBTQ cause in a gender neutral rest room?

I was born in 1972. When I grew up and started with roleplaying around 1984 there was no LGBTQ-movement in the Swedish rpg hobby. There certainly were gays and people were crossdressers/transvestites back then. But I don't think our parents would allow them to play with us 12 year olds. Times may have changed a whole lot but I haven't as much. Sometimes I wonder what's next on the woke agenda? Necrophiliacs in gaming ("Don't mind the rotten skull deepthroating my penis, guys. Hey, I brought cheetos and my character sheet.")? Pedo Pride Festivals? What's the next step, the next group to be included via angry Tweets?

Nevermind

Quote from: GIMME SOME SUGAR;1095136Not only am I a moron. I also refuse to let the session around my kitchen table turn into a Pride festival. I am lord of my castle, my home is not somebody's LGBTQ demonstration. Within these walls my rules and my rules only apply. This is, in newspeak, my safespace from the outside madness. I'm heterosexual and all my friends are heterosexual. I don't have feminist cosplayers, genderfluids, furries or transpeople wearing muumuus in my gaming group. But I'm not a representative of the gaming industry, gamers or the people of this forum. I'm just me. And there are only two genders (male/female) in my world, the rest is delusion. Yes, I'm not only a moron, but an old-fashioned moron. Am I not entitled to be me? Must I bow before the bluehaired and woke Twitter army? Would it help to include people in the rpg hobby if I wore a garter belt and silk stockings? Or if I took a supporting shit for the rainbow-coloured LGBTQ cause in a gender neutral rest room?

I was born in 1972. When I grew up and started with roleplaying around 1984 there was no LGBTQ-movement in the Swedish rpg hobby. There certainly were gays and people were crossdressers/transvestites back then. But I don't think our parents would allow them to play with us 12 year olds. Times may have changed a whole lot but I haven't as much. Sometimes I wonder what's next on the woke agenda? Necrophiliacs in gaming ("Don't mind the rotten skull deepthroating my penis, guys. Hey, I brought cheetos and my character sheet.")? Pedo Pride Festivals? What's the next step, the next group to be included via angry Tweets?

Well said.

I resent the aggressive proselytising of the terminally mentally ill and their woke cheerleaders.

Get some dignity; they should keep their crap behind closed doors. It's also going to be a lot psychologically healthier when they do come their senses and realise that they were seriously deluded (a process I've seen twice in the past ten years).

I am a firm believer in people's private lives remaining private. That goes doubly so when their private peccadilloes are so firmly rooted in mental illness.

Quote from: fixable;1096239Nevermind

Well, now I'm disappointed.

Quote from: jeff37923;1095771So you cannot provide proof. ANY proof. Just hearsay and opinion.

You'd think that your only purpose posting here was to spread fear, uncertainty, and doubt about this forum.

After all it is all about the narrative and it being we are the worst forum and people frequenting it are even worse who needs proof.

Again I wonder if Rawma aand those who feel the same go to TBP and do the same.

Quote from: GeekyBugleNormal as prescriptive is what the intersectional cultists use against the very concept of normal, Normal most often means the norm, what is the majority. So it's descriptive and not prescriptive, unless you want to impose your morals on others.

Quote from: tenbones;1096078yeah yeah, I know. I want him to say it so we can all be out in the open.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say, then. As a descriptive statement, the majority of people are not LGBT. Currently in the U.S., about 5% of the population self-identify as LGBT.

Does that mean we're in agreement? Or is there some other point that you're trying to make?