Reminds me that I miss the old/not-so-old Swedish made Space Hulk/Alien Assault PC game group. Did alot of spritework on various projects with that. Including a whole recreation of the Mutant Chronicles: Siege of the Citadel board game in AA. Wryly ironic.



And still we come back to the old conundrum.

SJWs claim RPGs were never inclusive and that some sort of majority white players were actively chasing off minority players. That no women or minorities worked in the industry everrrrr. Or at least not in positions of command. Everrrrrrrr. Or it is not diverse ENOUGH! Because it is never ENOUGH! no matter what you do.

Yet we know that is not true and never was in the ways these fruitcakes keep trying to claim. But people will believe them because Social Justice! Why they would neverrrrr lie to us! Right?

And then someone bitches because "you iz complainin about politics in mu RPGz!" Take a look around!

Quote from: Omega;1094903Reminds me that I miss the old/not-so-old Swedish made Space Hulk/Alien Assault PC game group. Did alot of spritework on various projects with that. Including a whole recreation of the Mutant Chronicles: Siege of the Citadel board game in AA. Wryly ironic.

Loved that game! I'm going to have to look and see if I can find a download and replay it.

Quote from: Blankman;1094891Iron Ring the company no, but the people who founded that company were active and doing fan things for games since at least the early nineties I believe (it's been over ten years since I talked to them about this). As for other activity, Sundelin has two rpgs currently in print, Anders Blixt just announced a new rpg, the Gillbrings are working on their translation of Western despite cancer etc etc. So the old guard is plenty active I would say.

Rollspel.nu I don't hang out at, it never seemed interesting to me. Not my type of game being discussed mostly. But I checked it out and mostly saw a bunch of people, including who I presume to be you, acting like a bunch assholes.

As for talent, interpersonal skills are a necessary component of it, at least if you want to be able to sell your stuff.

I don't know what new rpg Blixt is working on unless you mean Expert 2.0 and Gillbrings run their own show. They seldom work with freelancers. The opportunity for freelancers is the greatest when it comes to the newer Swedish rpg publishers.

But I can sell my own shit in pdf form through Drivethrurpg and still be a grumpy loner asshole if I feel like it. That's the beauty of internet. People will never know. Hell, I can even do a Kickstarter like the rest if I want. I don't need to visit gaming conventions, participate in panel talks and bow before Sverok and their "values".

I suppose technically there is one way in which RPGs have not been welcoming:

In the nerds are not cool days, most gaming groups had nerds in them.  So if you wanted to play, you had to be seen associating with uncool people.  Occasionally, the local cool people would try to start their own group so that they could keep the nerds out and not suffer that stigma, but rarely could one of them DM worth a damn.  And if she could (it was not infrequently a she in those exceptional cases because what is cooler than a female DM that doesn't care what other people think?), she didn't want most of the cool people as players, because they were too worried about being cool to play worth a damn.   Thus she became "not cool" in local parlance, but some things can't be kept down.  

Repeat this a zillion times over several decades, and magnify in other nerd hobbies, and then we reach the point where doing your own thing because you like it is kind of cool.  Yet there is still a clique desperately trying to throw out the people in the hobby that enjoy it.  Yes, gaming is not very welcoming to people that want to control how every one else does it.  The horror!

Quote from: Spinachcat;1094825And as punishment, we should cook and eat Jeff while dancing to Abba.

Quote from: BronzeDragon;1094867Cooking and eating Jeff is fine.

Abba however, is a hate crime.

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I missed that whole bit where Spinachcat recommends that I be cooked and eaten. I can deal with that in a Stranger in a Strange Land kind of way.

Just, can you make it The Ramones at least? I only listen to Abba when I want to fuck a stripper.

Quote from: jeff37923;1094923Just, can you make it The Ramones at least? I only listen to Abba when I want to fuck a stripper.

I am so stealing this...just as soon as I finish cleaning my drink off of the laptop.

Quote from: cranebump;1094862As for white people, particularly males, being singled out, it's taken a long to be called to account for some things. People who formerly couldn't say anything now feel they can, and they so do.

The problem is that there are at least two broad groups of people that fit into statements like this. The first would be the folks who best fit the statement you make here. People with a legitimate complaint who one way or another have finally found a voice. I'd wager most of us on this forum don't have a single bone to pick with this group. Our problem is with the second group. The ones we cal Social Just 's. The Woke Wagon. Statistically speaking these are themselves "white people" (an idiotic term if ever there was one, but ignore that for now) with some kind of self loathing mental disorder who frankly have no business whatsoever being part of the conversation. None. There isn't an argument you or anyone else can make that makes that untrue. Those are the people, in my opinion, these forum posts get riled up about.

Anecdotally, I find it interesting that all the people of color that I know (and I know a great many due to work) and the handful of gay people I interact with on a regular basis tell me that it's this second group even they wish would just shut the flying fuck up. They do far, far more harm than good (though in general their humanities studies have taught them otherwise), and nobody in any of these "marginalized groups" needs anyone fighting their battles for them. They don't need wannabes or "allies". They need people to butt the fuck out.

Quote from: jeff37923;1094858My assertions are not erroneous

If they are not erroneous, step up and provide evidence. Besides 5 Stone Games (who announced his race suicide concern early on, but continued to post for two years), who was banned for being racist and how quickly? (Nobody has challenged "misogyny". Well done! "Knowing yourself is the beginning of all wisdom.")

The rest of your reply is just nonsense.

Quote from: jeff37923;1094923I missed that whole bit where Spinachcat recommends that I be cooked and eaten.

Three images in his previous reply? He's thoroughly steamed; no further cooking should be necessary.

Quote from: rawma;1094940If they are not erroneous, step up and provide evidence. Besides 5 Stone Games (who announced his race suicide concern early on, but continued to post for two years), who was banned for being racist and how quickly? (Nobody has challenged "misogyny". Well done! "Knowing yourself is the beginning of all wisdom.")

The rest of your reply is just nonsense.



Three images in his previous reply? He's thoroughly steamed; no further cooking should be necessary.

Oh Noes!  Muhsoggyknees? Where? we must "challenge it all en mase!

Bwahahahahahahaha

Quickly ban words that might offend a stronk independent wahmen who don't need no fish, the white knight demands it!

Quote from: rawma;1094940If they are not erroneous, step up and provide evidence. Besides 5 Stone Games (who announced his race suicide concern early on, but continued to post for two years), who was banned for being racist and how quickly? (Nobody has challenged "misogyny". Well done! "Knowing yourself is the beginning of all wisdom.")

Please provide evidence of your purity to the committee together with your social media history where it will be assessed as to your suitability

Quote from: A5paperboy;1094881but I'll never take my advice from someone who's only experience with DND is watching critical role and posting DND memes on Tumblr.

Welcome aboard A5paperboy!!

Quote from: GIMME SOME SUGAR;1094869I'm a toxic male who grew up in a world of old Swedish rpgs, Schwarzenegger and horror movies, Marvel, porn magazines and heavy metal.

Then you have all the credentials necessary to write and publish RPGs.

Get thee to a word processor.

I've heard nearly your exact story at least a dozen times from other Swedes. This leads me to conclude the following:

1) Sweden is seriously fucked up.

2) There is a market in Sweden for non-SJW RPGing. While the fucknuts are noisy and "social", I bet there are many thousands of horrendous and unredeemable deplorable scum like you who would love to game together without any woke bullshit at their table.

Find them, join them together and bind them to your banner.

I'm not kidding.

Quote from: jeff37923;1094923I missed that whole bit where Spinachcat recommends that I be cooked and eaten. I can deal with that in a Stranger in a Strange Land kind of way.

Just, can you make it The Ramones at least? I only listen to Abba when I want to fuck a stripper.

1) The Ramones is terrible dinner music. Waiters wouldn't even know when to bring out the soup.

2) You might have been found WRONG ON THE INTERNET!!! On the Internet Jeff!! Being eaten is really the most lenient punishment possible when you think about it. I mean, is it even possible for anyone really go on with life if they were ever found wrong on the internet?

Quote from: rawma;1094940If they are not erroneous, step up and provide evidence. Besides 5 Stone Games (who announced his race suicide concern early on, but continued to post for two years), who was banned for being racist and how quickly?

So you can provide one guy as evidence of misogyny or racism out of how many thousands of members of theRPGSite?

Quote from: rawma;1094940(Nobody has challenged "misogyny". Well done! "Knowing yourself is the beginning of all wisdom.")

Dude, everyone can tell that you are just virtue signalling. We've seen it before. We've seen you do this before.

Quote from: rawma;1094940The rest of your reply is just nonsense.

As is your claim that this forum mollycoddles racists and misogynists.

Nobody will convince you that you are wrong, so why try? I'm talking to other readers of this discussion who are more open minded than you. All you deserve is to be mocked.

Quote from: rawma;1094940Three images in his previous reply? He's thoroughly steamed; no further cooking should be necessary.

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"A picture is worth a thousand words........"

Quote from: Spinachcat;10949701) The Ramones is terrible dinner music. Waiters wouldn't even know when to bring out the soup.

When "Rockaway Beach" is playing, obviously.

Quote from: Spinachcat;10949702) You might have been found WRONG ON THE INTERNET!!! On the Internet Jeff!! Being eaten is really the most lenient punishment possible when you think about it. I mean, is it even possible for anyone really go on with life if they were ever found wrong on the internet?

I've got jury duty for the next three weeks on a very ugly medical malpractice case, isn't that punishment enough?

Quote from: Spinachcat;1094970Then you have all the credentials necessary to write and publish RPGs.

Get thee to a word processor.

I've heard nearly your exact story at least a dozen times from other Swedes. This leads me to conclude the following:

1) Sweden is seriously fucked up.

2) There is a market in Sweden for non-SJW RPGing. While the fucknuts are noisy and "social", I bet there are many thousands of horrendous and unredeemable deplorable scum like you who would love to game together without any woke bullshit at their table.

Find them, join them together and bind them to your banner.

I'm not kidding.

Thank you, kind Sir. I will write, damn it! And yes, Sweden is Fubar. Naturally this has rubbed off on the rpg industry. You have old game designers bending their knees at the Most Sacred Orifice of Wokeness, taking the blame for "racist/chauvinistic/unfresh" parts of 80's rpg products and woving to become more "inclusive" in their new products.

I will try to shake life into the old Flashback thread where there was some talk about a more conservative gaming affiliation, something less woke than Sverok - a group where the shunned ones, the scum of the rpg earth, could join together without the Twitter neckbeards, bluehaired cosplayers, Wokeness, X-cards and political claptrap.

Quote from: cranebump;1094862So, everyone's aggrieved, and someone else is to blame. No admissions are made, no common ground is achieved, and the world belongs to people who enjoy being pissed off all the time. it's ridiculous really. All it does is drive moderate voices into silence, clearing the space for the self-aggrandizing, blowhard extremists, leaving us with the sound of two bricks slapping together.

Are all the self-aggrandizing, blowhard extremists white males by any chance? Also how far are you going back with this "People who formerly couldn't say anything now feel they can"  60's, 70s, 80's, 90s, 00s? and what exactly are they trying to  say apart from White Man Evil.