Quote from: GIMME SOME SUGAR;1094647Do you guys have transgenders in your rpg groups? It seems the rpg industry is full of them these days and I got quite alot of shit from such people on the Swedish forum. Don't get me wrong, but has it become trendy to become a transgender rpg nerd these days? I have noticed that quite a few of them have risen through the ranks and now get to be a part of the production of new rpgs, as scenario writers and such. They have quickly become people of great influence. Much of it is because they are transgenders in my book. But I could be wrong, of course. I'm just an old bald bigot.

I've never had one, no. But that actually isn't due to a matter of "policy" or anything. I've just never had it come up. Despite the fact that SJW's and the like irritate the fuck out of me and I'm pretty vocal about that fact here, I really don't think I'd care if someone wanted to play "against gender" at my table, so long as they didn't go out of their way to make the game about that. Any player that wanted to make the game about identity politics at every opportunity is going to be rapidly ejected from the game.

I'd might argue, for the sake of verisimilitude, that true "trans" people are impossible or extremely unlikely in any setting that hearkens back to any time prior to our modern one. So you'd be far more likely to encounter cross dressers than people who've been surgically modified. I could probably be convinced to allow a race that can choose their gender, however. Or in a high magic setting allow for some kind of ritual that does the job.

But ultimately that'd all be some kind of background fluff. What matter in play is that the party engage in actual adventure, that they be heroes (or anti-heroes, but seriously, yawn). Stick to that and anyone at my table won't have a problem finding themselves welcome.

Edit: Setting character aside, I've also not had any transgender players at my table. I agree, however, that from an outside perspective that the recent apparent "surge" in transgender people is more due to a certain trendiness in woke circles.

Quote from: GIMME SOME SUGAR;1094647Do you guys have transgenders in your rpg groups?

One person I gamed with in high school transitioned around ten years after graduation, but I had no idea at the time.

There was one transgender person in my group until recently (she moved overseas) and there's one person in the group who plays a transgender character, and who uses "they" when referring to ... themselves.

These things are only observations in retrospect though ... the gender orientation of the players at my table has never once come up, until now.

Quote from: GIMME SOME SUGAR;1094647Do you guys have transgenders in your rpg groups? It seems the rpg industry is full of them these days and I got quite alot of shit from such people on the Swedish forum. Don't get me wrong, but has it become trendy to become a transgender rpg nerd these days? I have noticed that quite a few of them have risen through the ranks and now get to be a part of the production of new rpgs, as scenario writers and such. They have quickly become people of great influence. Much of it is because they are transgenders in my book.

I've only once had a transgender player, in a Labyrinth Lord game.
The ones you see online are generally more interested in performative displays online than in actually playing RPGs IRL IMO. Who knows if they are even really trans IRL.

Quote from: GIMME SOME SUGAR;1094647Do you guys have transgenders in your rpg groups?

Not to assume someone's gender... but I believe two of the people that I've seen at local X-Wing miniatures events are transgender.
To my knowledge, none in my RPG groups.

I play a lot of science fiction games, so how do you declare if a character is transgender or gay or whatever when the alien race does not have a defined sexuality? In D&D, vegepygmies reproduce by characters being killed by russet mold. In Traveller, hivers exchange genetic material every time they great one another by "shaking hands" and embryonic larvae just fall off of them and are considered nuisances by hivers while they mature until they reach adolescence and can then start joining in to hiver society as sophonts. If the being is a machine intelligence, then just about anything goes as far as reproduction - so how can you tell?

Quote from: GIMME SOME SUGAR;1094647Do you guys have transgenders in your rpg groups? It seems the rpg industry is full of them these days and I got quite alot of shit from such people on the Swedish forum. Don't get me wrong, but has it become trendy to become a transgender rpg nerd these days? I have noticed that quite a few of them have risen through the ranks and now get to be a part of the production of new rpgs, as scenario writers and such. They have quickly become people of great influence. Much of it is because they are transgenders in my book. But I could be wrong, of course. I'm just an old bald bigot.

Decades ago yes. Now-a-days... oddly have not met any in a long time. And the few I did RP with long ago eventually drifted off or just kinda... vanished? To my knowledge Ive never had any problems wit any TG folk.

As for the industry. It isnt just RPGs. Theres an increasing push in animation. The new She-Ra is a prime example. And SJWs seem to try and use it as a defense/excuse a-lot lately. A-lot.

I suspect some of the slowly growing bad rep TG folk are getting is stemming from these SJW types and how they act while claiming to be TG or whatever is the fad of the week.

Quote from: rawma;1094159posters in these forums who manifest so much racism and misogyny

Quote from: insubordinate polyhedral;1094169[Citation needed]

Duh.

QuoteGaming specific evidence that contradicts (in part) your claim:

http://www.plausiblydeniable.com/opinion/gsf.html

https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths

You should read Gary Fine's book Shared Fantasy. Of your two references, one seems to believe that no scene is ever bad until the mops show up, and in the other the Geek Social Fallacies seem exactly to support my observation - it's saying that ostracizers are not evil, and geeks who subscribe to fallacies (that ostracism is evil, or whatever) would hardly be expected to react ideally to negative social situations. (As I said, gaming groups were probably not significantly better or worse than other groups.)

Quotesocially marginalized individuals (biker gangs, I think)

"Biker gangs" are the first people anyone thinks of when they hear "people who have been bullied".

QuoteI am defining "diversity" as non-male or non-obviously-human-white, so depiction of fantasy races is considered "diverse".

Yes, those diverse halflings, dwarves and elves will certainly give a welcoming feeling to any potential gamer. Why, Supplement 1 Greyhawk must have been completely welcoming to Asians based on its depiction of a Japanese Ogre. Hey, why not declare every non-human monster in the Monster Manual evidence of diversity? :rolleyes:

QuoteWhile I'm here, I might as well quote a few lines from Gygax's preface:
...
I read the whole preface a couple times, and not once do I see any masculine pronouns,

The one time I saw Gary Gygax at a convention, I mentioned that I had read that and Role-Playing Mastery, and he gave me a joking apology. I was commenting on a reference to "Greyhawk pretty much right out of the gate", and the original Greyhawk supplement has a lot of the default "he".

Screenshot from the D&D cartoon? Goal posts moved to diversity in 80s television cartoons, strawman successfully defeated.

Quote from: jeff37923;1094174You've been on this forum for five years and you haven't noticed that members who "manifest so much racism and misogyny" as you claim get banned pretty quickly?

Can you name more than one? I'll give you the first one by adding this from a thread about 5 Stone Games (the race suicide guy) in which jhkim comments on that banning:

Quote from: jhkim;942174This regards the recent banning of 5 Stone Games, which as I understand it was for his expressing racist beliefs that South African blacks have lower IQ (among other things) - and also applies to the recent question over homophobia.

I would suggest that if people can be banned for this

jhkim had been here then for more than ten years and seemed genuinely surprised by that banning (and his memory seems a lot better than yours, Jeff37923). And 5 Stone Games posted for about two years before getting banned. And that was after someone else got called out by a moderator for being racist but with no further repercussions.

Quote from: jeff37923;1094174The concept of getting up and leaving the game table of a crap GM is foreign to you as well, huh?

Same dynamics as abusive intimate relationships, I guess, albeit with very much lower stakes. Wanna call every victim of domestic violence a professional victim?

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1094176I'm pretty sure rawma's definition of "racism and misogyny" is pretty broad.

Quote from: SavageSchemer;1094183I was going to say exactly the same thing. I'm guessing we can translate that bit of drivel as "I've been offended, therefore it's both racist and misogynist".

I'm not offended by anything I read on this site. I'm actually quite mainstream in my definitions.

I do think it's unfortunate that RPGPundit is pushing his politics outside of his eponymous forum; it's been to the detriment of actual gaming discussion.

Let's not forget 5 Stone Ages preached ASIAN genetic supremacy.

And I still disagree with his banning. So what if the guy had ideas many of us disagree with? You don't change anyone's mind by banning them.

Plus banning 5 Stone Ages will never "cleanse" the reputation of this site to the SJW clowns. We gained no "virtue" by his banning.

His banning represents only failure. Free speech means defending speech we don't agree with.

Quote from: GIMME SOME SUGAR;1094647Do you guys have transgenders in your rpg groups?

I've gamed with the most hated trans on RPG.net! Caoimhe Ora Snow, author of The Queen's Cavaliers RPG! Caoimhe got caught up in a social media "he said, she said" shitstorm and unfortunately, Caoimhe's health issues derailed the TQC kickstarter

Caoimhe (pronounced "Keeva") was a regular at LA game cons and FLGS game days. Caoimhe plays old school, new school and introduced me to 13th Age and played in my S&W games. Very good GM too.

Here's the Queen's Cavalier playtest rules. It's "clockpunk", aka pre-steampunk with rapiers.
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/132863/The-Queens-Cavaliers-Playtest-Rules?manufacturers_id=3613

Quote from: rawma;1094758Duh.

I think you're going to have to get more specific than that.

QuoteI do think it's unfortunate that RPGPundit is pushing his politics outside of his eponymous forum; it's been to the detriment of actual gaming discussion.

I think it's unfortunate that we have SJW identity politics seeping into the zeitgeist to the detriment of actual gaming discussion, but here we are.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1094764I think you're going to have to get more specific than that.



I think it's unfortunate that we have SJW identity politics seeping into the zeitgeist to the detriment of actual gaming discussion, but here we are.

Regarding your link, I'll take shit that never happened for 100,000 Alex.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1094769Regarding your link, I'll take shit that never happened for 100,000 Alex.

Once again, you voiced something I was thinking but decided against saying lol. I'm in total agreement though. I read that link and thought, "now here's an exercise in creative writing from someone who's got a real chip on her shoulder".

Quote from: SavageSchemer;1094774Once again, you voiced something I was thinking but decided against saying lol. I'm in total agreement though. I read that link and thought, "now here's an exercise in creative writing from someone who's got a real chip on her shoulder".

I'm not in the habit of refraining my tongue.

Quote from: rawma;1094758fap fap fap

So once again I have to ask, if this place is so full of the most deplorable people in gaming on the internet then why in the fuck are you here?