Steve personally wrote this particular post.
http://www.sjgames.com/ill/archive/2023-08-20 (http://www.sjgames.com/ill/archive/2023-08-20)
And he says that of any RPG, this is the one he most wished he designed.
You're not telling us anything that we don't know, haha.
Is it wrong that when I read the header I read it as...
"SJW's latest project. This one should not surprise anyone."
Pretty sure the Woke are striving for a Live Action version... not a LARP, just live action.
Played Munchkin once and it bored the hell out of me. So passing on this is easy.
Yes, I agree with the SJG and SJW comment.
I've heard people jokingly call the company SJW Games in the past year.
One thing I find tedious with the new versions of paranoia (and speculative fiction in general) is a refusal to update the ideologies.
From the 40's to now the Dystopian futures are always a reflection of the worry of Fascism taking over, or the general crushing weight of Right Wing thinking creating a police state.
Now we're living in the beginning of a real life dystopian police state, but based on Marxism (or it's mutated progeny) and modern speculative fiction is all...a reflection of the worry of Fascism taking over, or the general crushing weight of Right Wing thinking creating a police state.
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They could do a 2023 edition. Substitute the word "antifa" for "troubleshooter" and you're halfway there
This looks like the gaming equivalent of trying to make a new drink by mixing milk and lemon juice.
Seriously, what's the game? Blasting every Alpha Complex resident you find to collect their gear while trying to outrun the watchful eye of Friend Computer?
This isn't even an RPG (so not on topic) and it isn't even detectably woke.
Let's not signal boost SJG just because they've gone wokeish.
Quote from: Grognard GM on August 20, 2023, 12:58:34 PM
One thing I find tedious with the new versions of paranoia (and speculative fiction in general) is a refusal to update the ideologies.
From the 40's to now the Dystopian futures are always a reflection of the worry of Fascism taking over, or the general crushing weight of Right Wing thinking creating a police state.
Now we're living in the beginning of a real life dystopian police state, but based on Marxism (or it's mutated progeny) and modern speculative fiction is all...a reflection of the worry of Fascism taking over, or the general crushing weight of Right Wing thinking creating a police state.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExYWdiNmt6MWFxZXVtMWN1c2tvdWpnbHIyMjJwd3VzMG00bGE3ZDY3ZCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/qmfpjpAT2fJRK/giphy.gif)
I thought Paranoia features a Computer that opposes Communists?
Quote from: Mistwell on August 20, 2023, 11:11:34 PM
Quote from: Grognard GM on August 20, 2023, 12:58:34 PM
One thing I find tedious with the new versions of paranoia (and speculative fiction in general) is a refusal to update the ideologies.
From the 40's to now the Dystopian futures are always a reflection of the worry of Fascism taking over, or the general crushing weight of Right Wing thinking creating a police state.
Now we're living in the beginning of a real life dystopian police state, but based on Marxism (or it's mutated progeny) and modern speculative fiction is all...a reflection of the worry of Fascism taking over, or the general crushing weight of Right Wing thinking creating a police state.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExYWdiNmt6MWFxZXVtMWN1c2tvdWpnbHIyMjJwd3VzMG00bGE3ZDY3ZCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/qmfpjpAT2fJRK/giphy.gif)
I thought Paranoia features a Computer that opposes Communists?
Yeah, but it's generally played as cold war... paranoia. By communists, The Computer means anyone who causes trouble for The Computer and The System.
Quote from: TheShadow on August 20, 2023, 09:15:06 PM
This isn't even an RPG (so not on topic) and it isn't even detectably woke.
Let's not signal boost SJG just because they've gone wokeish.
Munchkin is a card game with RPG elements, so probably off-topic. I will say I like the game quite a bit and own a lot of the sets; I backed the Kickstarter for the Batman set a while back, too. I doubt I will ever buy another thing from SJGs, though, much less support one of their KS...and this is after doing Triplanetary, The Fantasy Trip, that giant set of boxed games ones, Dungeon Fantasy, Munchkin...just committing fucking corporate suicide.
#Paranoia Munchkin makes perfect sense. Almost tailor made for it really. So insta buy for me.
Quote from: Grognard GM on August 20, 2023, 12:58:34 PM
One thing I find tedious with the new versions of paranoia (and speculative fiction in general) is a refusal to update the ideologies.
On the one hand they do, but things like 'terrorists' didn't have the same thematic resonance.
On the other hand they don't need to, as authoritarian regimes are all the same. Hunting down communists in a communist society is one of the core ironies, but nothing much would change if that was changed to fascists. It is based on 1984 after all.
I know for a fact however the designers are concerned about folks engaging in the 'wrong' sort of parody/satire, which is why there's still not a community content program for it. And there are certainly political elements they're unwilling to address at all. It's also hard to move on from the superficial expectations the line has established, which too often leads to discussions breaking down into the equivalent of Monty Python quotes.
Ultimately the particular ideologies don't matter, and folks are likely to see the ones they expect to anyway.
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The most ironically accurate piece of 2LGBTQ+ propaganda is now available from Warehouse23. I can't think of a more perfect representation of what the Pride movement has become.
https://warehouse23.com/collections/new/products/rainbow-eip-pride-pin
Quote from: Grognard GM on August 20, 2023, 12:58:34 PM
.....Fascism taking over, or the general crushing weight of Right Wing thinking creating a police state.
Oy Vey!
'Fascism' was NEVER a 'right wing' thing.
Facism at its roots is still a'left-wing' phenomena - it is a collectivist way of running things - that makes it Left Wing.
-Ed C.
Quote from: Anon Adderlan on August 29, 2023, 06:49:06 PM
I know for a fact however the designers are concerned about folks engaging in the 'wrong' sort of parody/satire, which is why there's still not a community content program for it.
Rumour Control: This is completely untrue. The reason there is no community content programme for Paranoia is that there is no ready benefit due to the nature of the game.
Quote from: Koltar on September 29, 2023, 07:52:09 AM
Quote from: Grognard GM on August 20, 2023, 12:58:34 PM
.....Fascism taking over, or the general crushing weight of Right Wing thinking creating a police state.
Oy Vey!
'Fascism' was NEVER a 'right wing' thing.
Facism at its roots is still a'left-wing' phenomena - it is a collectivist way of running things - that makes it Left Wing.
-Ed C.
Absolute bullshit, and whoever buys it is even more stupid that the moron who originally came out with it; no self respecting political scholar has ever classified fascism as "left wing".
Fascist Italy was a corporatist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism) state, where every meaningful decision was imposed from the top down through "corporations", pseudo unions that grouped workers, business owners and state officials in thematic associations.
Quote from: NotFromAroundHere on September 29, 2023, 10:15:48 AM
Quote from: Koltar on September 29, 2023, 07:52:09 AM
Quote from: Grognard GM on August 20, 2023, 12:58:34 PM
.....Fascism taking over, or the general crushing weight of Right Wing thinking creating a police state.
Oy Vey!
'Fascism' was NEVER a 'right wing' thing.
Facism at its roots is still a'left-wing' phenomena - it is a collectivist way of running things - that makes it Left Wing.
-Ed C.
Absolute bullshit, and whoever buys it is even more stupid that the moron who originally came out with it; no self respecting political scholar has ever classified fascism as "left wing".
Fascist Italy was a corporatist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism) state, where every meaningful decision was imposed from the top down through "corporations", pseudo unions that grouped workers, business owners and state officials in thematic associations.
DELETED because it was offtopic.
Quote from: Koltar on September 29, 2023, 07:52:09 AM
Quote from: Grognard GM on August 20, 2023, 12:58:34 PM
.....Fascism taking over, or the general crushing weight of Right Wing thinking creating a police state.
Oy Vey!
'Fascism' was NEVER a 'right wing' thing.
Facism at its roots is still a'left-wing' phenomena - it is a collectivist way of running things - that makes it Left Wing.
-Ed C.
This is as face palm-inducing as a person I know, who said on several occasions that the Nazis weren't Socialist. Just because their party's name in English, literally, is "socialist worker's party" didn't mean anything. It was just a name. Their socialist policies, i guess, also didn't make them socialist. SMH
Later on, the person who said this became a SJG employee.