Part of the move to just in-house material was the increasing rivalry between companies too. TSR was making enemies left and right. It was akin to Marvel's current ending of everything related to the Fantastic Four and possibly X-Men to spite Fox or whomever owns the movie IP now on that front. Who wants to give free advertising to people they don't like? Even if that means cutting off your own nose to spite them. :rolleyes:

Quote from: The_Shadow;1047660I've still got my old pre-100 issues...

Same here. It is part of what prompted the thread.

White Dwarf became all about Warhammer a good while before Dragon became almost only about TSR games.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1047894White Dwarf became all about Warhammer a good while before Dragon became almost only about TSR games.

I don't think so. I took a break from D&D when 2nd Edition came out, and I really couldn't find much reason to pick up Dragon in the late '80s. White Dwarf still had thing like great Call of Cthulhu adventures until at least '88. It was '89 or '90 when White Dwarf became a miniature catalog, and Dragon was already firmly focused on TSR at that point.

Either way, there wasn't that big a span of time between them both becoming house organs. Maybe a year. Maybe two.

If you want to give Dragon points, at least it remained a roleplaying magazine.

Quote from: Baulderstone;1048004I don't think so. I took a break from D&D when 2nd Edition came out, and I really couldn't find much reason to pick up Dragon in the late '80s. White Dwarf still had thing like great Call of Cthulhu adventures until at least '88. It was '89 or '90 when White Dwarf became a miniature catalog, and Dragon was already firmly focused on TSR at that point.

Either way, there wasn't that big a span of time between them both becoming house organs. Maybe a year. Maybe two.

If you want to give Dragon points, at least it remained a roleplaying magazine.

Firmly focused, but not exclusive.  Random articles on other games and the Marvel-Phile continued through 1993 in Dragon at least.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1047894White Dwarf became all about Warhammer a good while before Dragon became almost only about TSR games.

WD issue 99 was in March 88 and I think the last to have any non-GW articles in it. Traveller and Call of Cthulhu
DM issue 139 was November 88 and looks to be the start of the decline as it just has one non-TSR article for DC Heroes. The next would not be till issue 144 in April 89 with an article for Runequest. And a Warhammer 40k article in issue 149 of September 89. Some CoC articles in issue 150 which was October 89. May 1990 there was issue 157 with a Star Wars article. A CoC article in issue 162 in October 90. 2 articles in 166 for Autoduel and Battletech for Febuary 91. January 92 issue 177 had an article for Gurps Space.

After that not sure. But probably by issue 180 non-TSR articles were totally phased out or close enough. 180-200 my collection has some holes and past 200 even more.

So 88 seems to be the start of the pulling back to in house only. With Dragon tossing the dogs a bone ever few issues but otherwise all in-house stuff aside from reviews. And not sure when WD stopped doing even reviews.

Quote from: CRKrueger;1048006Firmly focused, but not exclusive.  Random articles on other games and the Marvel-Phile continued through 1993 in Dragon at least.

I was responding to Pundit's comment...

"White Dwarf became all about Warhammer a good while before Dragon became almost only about TSR games."

He was comparing the point that White Dwarf become entirely about Warhammer to the point that "Dragon became almost only about TSR Games."

MSH was a TSR game.

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1047658Remember when White Dwarf was good?

And then it became nothing more than a flier. Junk mail that you pay for.

It's still a house organ but between like 2010 and 2014 it was just awful.  I mean, beyond awful.  Literally : here's painted minis, here's how much the paints cost, here's how much the minis cost, here's the new minis and books coming out next month.  90% photos, 10% "content" and the "content" was boilerplate about what the photos were of and it was $10 an issue (I bought exactly 0 issues).  

They're now back to doing batreps, lore, scenarios, actual how to paint etc.  They're their own backpatters sure but you can make the argument there's real content again (like for example after the last as in final release ever of space hulk in 2014, they did pieces on how to use Genestealer Cults in it, just like in the old days).

My own recollection is that by the end of the 80s, White Dwarf was nothing but Warhammer stuff, and mostly  not good stuff.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1048411My own recollection is that by the end of the 80s, White Dwarf was nothing but Warhammer stuff, and mostly  not good stuff.

The early 40k lore laid down in the mag was actually full of fun stuff: you had Ork Noiz Boyz introduced then (ork Heavy Metal bands with sonic weapons), I think one issue they threw a cassette EP of the band Bolt Thrower in, there were scenarios and background for Space Hulk, which'd dropped in '89 and gave us the fantastic "Deathwing" fluff.  But yeah seeing them going from multi-format to "Here's our stuff, buy it" was a shame.

Not to be confused with the mid 00s, which were a sham.  Wasn't a magazine then.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1048411My own recollection is that by the end of the 80s, White Dwarf was nothing but Warhammer stuff, and mostly  not good stuff.

I have some issues from I think around 190 or 200 that had Warhammer Quest stuff in them. After that though it seemed to progressively shut down and become increasingly just a catalogue. That was in the late 90s. This was also when GW progressively became a VERY hostile place to work for and they were actively shutting down competitor gaming stores amongst other underhanded practices. some of which carry over even now. This was also when they started pulling back gradually their presence at certain conventions. Which was sad as the GW staff liked me and I got to see some sneak preview material and vids during the idle times.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;1048056(like for example after the last as in final release ever of space hulk in 2014, they did pieces on how to use Genestealer Cults in it, just like in the old days).

What issues?  I have Deathwatch:Overkill, so I have a good number of cult figures which are eager to make the leap to Space Hulk games.

Quote from: Gabriel2;1048537What issues?  I have Deathwatch:Overkill, so I have a good number of cult figures which are eager to make the leap to Space Hulk games.

Rules for genestealer cults in the Dec 2017 White Dwarf issue.

Well, maybe just because I was never into WH apart from the RPG, so it didn't seem very useful to me...

Quote from: RPGPundit;1048761Well, maybe just because I was never into WH apart from the RPG, so it didn't seem very useful to me...

Even the RPG articles eventually vanish after issue 100. There were still WHFRP articles as late as issue 122. Then nothing in 123 which was August 90, and just one WHFRP article in 125 and 126. And nothing in 129 and on far as I can tell. So much like TSR there was an abrupt and heavy die off and then the surviving WHFRP suffered a gradual die off.